| astraljava | micahg: It's a good starting point. :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| micahg | well, we always need testing :) | 00:01 |
| micahg | anyone else? | 00:01 |
| DaveF_ | Specs say 11.04 needs 4.4 GB of space. Can I still FULL INSTALL it on a 4GB USB drive- I don't need all the apps like Gimp, office, or games. | 00:01 |
| * micahg thinks xubuntu will fit on that, but can't be 100% sure | 00:03 | |
| pleia2 | you can use the alternate installer to install on less than 4G | 00:03 |
| * micahg thought there was a bug recently about the space requirements being wrong | 00:03 | |
| pleia2 | yeah | 00:03 |
| pleia2 | ubiquity requires 4.4 | 00:03 |
| DaveF_ | thanks! | 00:04 |
| * micahg cries over the 803MB i386 daily live ISO | 00:04 | |
| DaveF_ | I'm new to linux so I need the system gui apps like synaptic, etcs, I can always ad Libreoffice, gimp later if I need and have space | 00:04 |
| DaveF_ | pleia2: do you know what is missing from the alternate cd? | 00:05 |
| astraljava | micahg: It'll come down in time, for sure. :) | 00:05 |
| pleia2 | DaveF_: nothing, it's a different installer that doesn't have the same hard-coded installation requirements (the 4.4 is actually for ubuntu, not xubuntu) | 00:05 |
| micahg | astraljava: s/gdm/lightdm in the seed should knock off at least 50 :) | 00:05 |
| astraljava | micahg: Great! | 00:05 |
| DaveF_ | pleia2: thanks. I tried ubuntu but dont like the unity interface (like so many others) | 00:06 |
| pleia2 | it's not for everyone :) | 00:06 |
| astraljava | pleia2: What do you mean? I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be Linux for Everyone! :D | 00:07 |
| DaveF_ | pleia2: so the normal installer is that much bigger than the alternate installer? | 00:07 |
| pleia2 | DaveF_: it's not the installer that's bigger, the installer just checks for 4.4G before moving forward to make sure ubuntu will fit - xubuntu is smaller so it doesn't *need* 4.4G free, but the installer still checks for it | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | the bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784020 | 00:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 784020 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity doubles stated filesystem size requirements" [Undecided,New] | 00:08 |
| DaveF_ | Ah! any less apps in the alternate, that you know of? | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | no, it's identical | 00:08 |
| DaveF_ | pleia2: Cool! and thanks! | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | welcome :) | 00:09 |
| DaveF_ | I use LiLi USB Creator to build my USB installs - works great! | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | micahg: thanks for chairing! | 00:09 |
| astraljava | Yeah, good job! | 00:10 |
| micahg | pleia2: thanks, my first time :) | 00:12 |
| * micahg just send the meeting notes off to the ML | 00:12 | |
| micahg | thanks to everyone for coming | 00:12 |
| astraljava | Thanks for hosting! Will be back tomorrow to talk about testing, might in fact be able to do daily tests for the time being. | 00:15 |
| micahg | astraljava: cool, charlie-tca should be back tomorrow and he has more info on testing | 00:22 |
| astraljava | micahg: Yeah, sure I'll talk to him more about it. | 00:26 |
| Unit193 | I did a test of 32 alt today (Was my turn) and I know drc also does some testing | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | oh, we never got an alpha 1 news post on the site, we should be sure to designate a writer of these things for alpha2 (I can get it posted) | 01:15 |
| pleia2 | if we don't think it's too late for alpha1 I can post that too :) | 01:15 |
| micahg | welcome back GridCube | 01:51 |
| GridCube | thank you | 01:51 |
| micahg | GridCube: I was in the middle or conducting the meeting when you left | 01:51 |
| GridCube | oh | 01:51 |
| GridCube | sorry | 01:51 |
| GridCube | :/ did i miss something? | 01:51 |
| micahg | GridCube: it's ok, I posted the noted to the mailing list, not much | 01:52 |
| micahg | *notes | 01:52 |
| GridCube | oh i don't have a mailing list list | 01:52 |
| GridCube | i mean im not in the mailing list list | 01:52 |
| * micahg is digging up a URL | 01:52 | |
| micahg | GridCube: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007814.html | 01:53 |
| GridCube | oh :) thanks | 01:55 |
| GridCube | micahg, i wonder, couldnt xubuntu have a first run welcome thing? like a link to an html on the desktop that people can double clic and read really basic stuff about the system? | 01:57 |
| * micahg thought that already exists | 01:57 | |
| GridCube | like a short faq? | 01:57 |
| GridCube | no its not there, not easily visible tho | 01:57 |
| GridCube | if you happen to install xfce you get the "tips" but is not enabled on xubuntu | 01:58 |
| GridCube | and thats also really anoying and people just usually dissmiss it | 01:58 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Do you happen to know how many people are on the list? | 02:00 |
| micahg | Unit193: no, sorry, I am not a list admin | 02:00 |
| micahg | GridCube: maybe write an e-mail to the xubuntu-devel list with a proposal? | 02:01 |
| Unit193 | Thanks | 02:01 |
| GridCube | mmm ok i will ask charlie next time i see him | 02:03 |
| xrdodrx | GridCube, I think that'd be better accessible from the menu, like how ubuntu used to do it | 03:15 |
| xrdodrx | "About Xubuntu" | 03:15 |
| xrdodrx | right now we've got About Xfce | 03:15 |
| xrdodrx | and of course these entries could both be hidden in the usual way | 03:16 |
| GridCube | probably, but the "about xfce" just gives licences and not a guide to do simple tasks | 03:16 |
| xrdodrx | well no one said we had to do it the same way ;) | 03:17 |
| GridCube | like for example saying to people, "How do i enable mp3? you install gstreamer" "how to compiz? see this site" etc | 03:17 |
| GridCube | something like read me | 03:18 |
| xrdodrx | I don't think that stuff is basic at all, especially the second one | 03:18 |
| GridCube | XD yeah well | 03:18 |
| GridCube | but its an usual question | 03:18 |
| GridCube | for xfce4.8 you have to have a "how do i move panels? you unlock them" XD | 03:18 |
| xrdodrx | for most OS, the about page outlines the programs installed by default and contains links to further documentation | 03:19 |
| GridCube | mmm yes | 03:19 |
| xrdodrx | I don't think it's smart to have the about page immediately tell you how to enable compiz or mp3 support | 03:19 |
| xrdodrx | especially since mp3 is a non-free technology, that shouldn't be the first thing in our about page :) | 03:19 |
| xrdodrx | just my ideas | 03:20 |
| GridCube | thats probably why i said "a first run welcome thing" stuff like, "you need more help, go to #xubuntu" | 03:20 |
| xrdodrx | IRC isn't very welcoming to newcomers,, it can be quite confusing for those who've never used it | 03:20 |
| GridCube | well, forums them | 03:21 |
| GridCube | something to tell them they are not alone | 03:21 |
| xrdodrx | oh, I know what you mean | 03:21 |
| GridCube | its frigthening changing an operative system | 03:21 |
| xrdodrx | but an OS's about page is usually really basic and outlines the OS's features and programs, maybe a better help system can help with this, but I don't know how this fits into the oneiric development schedule | 03:22 |
| GridCube | and having something right there saying "hey you are welcome" | 03:22 |
| GridCube | mmm yes i see | 03:22 |
| GridCube | i never imagined nothing that complex tho | 03:31 |
| GridCube | just something like, for example, the firefox first run page? | 03:32 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:44 |
| charlie-tca | I think I 'm here. I got about 30 seconds lag today | 14:45 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: thanks for chairing the meeting. I was setting up Oneiric yesterday | 14:45 |
| * charlie-tca forgot about the time change for the meeting, too, but that is not my excuse. | 14:45 | |
| DarkEra | Good morning charlie-tca, yep you're here :) | 14:46 |
| DarkEra | Strange to say good morning... its afternoon over here.... | 14:46 |
| charlie-tca | Well, Good afternoon, then! | 14:57 |
| DarkEra | thanks :-) | 15:00 |
| charlie-tca | bbl | 15:19 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: you're welcome, glad all is ok | 15:19 |
| charlie-tca | not *all* okay | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | I can't quite get oneiric to start email or news online | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | and my email seems severely broken | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | and Users and Groups fails, too | 15:21 |
| charlie-tca | can't add new users or groups with the GUI | 15:21 |
| micahg | hmmm, well, the new network manager API breaks backwards compatability, I wouldn't be surprised if there were issues, but Firefox seems to work fine | 15:21 |
| charlie-tca | but in general, yes, I didn't mean to scare you. | 15:21 |
| charlie-tca | things are going fine, me. | 15:21 |
| charlie-tca | things are going fine, for me. | 15:22 |
| charlie-tca | I installed fresh | 15:22 |
| micahg | hmmm, and you're using thunderbird or something else? | 15:24 |
| charlie-tca | claws-mail. Have to try Thunderbird and see how it works in Oneiric | 16:21 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: ah, claws-mail needs a merge, I can try to take care of that this week if barry doesn't want to do it | 16:36 |
| micahg | oh, wait, no i can't, over the weekend then :) | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, it seems kind of broken | 16:36 |
| ochosi | micahg: btw, *if* you decide to take care of claws, what would be really nice would be to activate indicator support | 16:37 |
| GridCube | hello charlie-tca | 16:37 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: Hello | 16:37 |
| charlie-tca | any signs of drc today? | 16:37 |
| GridCube | don't know | 16:37 |
| GridCube | just singed in today | 16:38 |
| ochosi | micahg: i mean bug 715257 | 16:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 715257 in claws-mail-extra-plugins (Ubuntu) "multi-notification plugin indicator support disabled and broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715257 | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | I want to know what is happening to our daily testing? | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | No one showed up at the meeting yesterday for testing either. | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | I think we are seeing things broken due to gtk3. some of the errors are that applications are not able to use gtk2 and gtk3 at the same time. | 16:41 |
| micahg | ochosi: that's a separate source :) | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I would prefer a bigger font than droid gives us | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | or at least a bigger size than we are defaulting to | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | or something... The fonts are too small to read, I guess is my complaint. | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | or, my eyes are too old to read the font in the size we are using, maybve. | 16:45 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: Did you get my msg? I wasn't really able to be at the meeting, but I made a comment after | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | no, not yet | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | I sort of lost my .org address temporarily, and just got it back | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | I will go see if there are emails to release to the ML, I guess | 18:36 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I was talking about memoserv msg | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, got it | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | yes, thanks for checking it | 18:45 |
| Unit193 | You were not on and I wasn't sure if I would remember :P | 18:45 |
| Unit193 | No problem! Isn't that what I'm supposed to be doing? | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | I don't check for those | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | it is fine to do that, I will have to check to see if there any | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | Otherwise, we mail the xubuntu-devel ML with issues | 18:46 |
| Unit193 | I wasn't sure if it would PM you when you got on, or if it would "notice" you | 18:50 |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't seem to PM me. It was a notice but since all notices are a separate tab, I don't look at them when logging in. It notices all the log in buttetins, which I don't need to see everytime. | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | oh, we never do a login sound for Xubuntu | 19:02 |
| astraljava | Hi charlie-tca! I guess I somehow sorta kinda promised I would be helping out with testing. *grin* | 19:02 |
| astraljava | in the last night's meeting, I mean | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | Really? | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | that's great! | 19:03 |
| Unit193 | It was on the list... | 19:03 |
| astraljava | Hehe. Yeah. :) | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | We can always use more testers | 19:03 |
| astraljava | I thought as much. | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | Are you able to test daily or milestones? | 19:03 |
| astraljava | Well at the moment I should be able to do dailies as well. | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: really? I guess I have to go update that list, then. | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: welcome to testing Xubuntu1 | 19:05 |
| astraljava | Thanks! :) | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | We have some information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | We would like to run the short test daily, but at the least, we run an install | 19:05 |
| astraljava | Yeah I'm actually using that page as a reference for Ubuntu Studio testing procedure enhancements. | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | The main thing at this point in the cycle is install, update, restart, shutdown | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | preasure **** | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu Studio wants up to date docs, and they want mine up to date to help them update theirs :-) | 19:07 |
| astraljava | Exactly. :D No pressure or anything, but... ;D | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 19:08 |
| astraljava | Nah, I'm here to help as well. | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | We can all use help | 19:08 |
| astraljava | Most definitely. I hear you're running under quite a lot of stress. | 19:09 |
| astraljava | If I can ease some of that, would be awesome. | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | Help with testing is awesome | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | drc was organizing it some for us. We think we can test all the images twice a week or so | 19:10 |
| astraljava | I have several boxen here that I can use, I just first need to figure out which of them can boot from a USB stick, that would help a lot. | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, I guess. I am one of the users with "older" systems. I can't boot from usb | 19:10 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: will you be around this evening? | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: I can be, yes | 19:10 |
| micahg | k, maybe we can chat a little bit then | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I will be here then | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | You might have to ping me, but I will stay around | 19:12 |
| micahg | k, don't worry if you can't, I'll catch you tomorrow | 19:18 |
| astraljava | Crap, I chose alternate install iso. ;) | 20:15 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: what do you mean? droid works in pretty much any size in my xp | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | that's okay, we got both alternate and desktop images | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: we start with a very tiny font size for droid, it can be increased, but the default is a 10, I think? | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | and droid has smaller letters than sans, for example, so 10 droid is about 8 or 9 sans | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | I am wondering if we shouldn't be starting at maybe 12 or 14 with it? | 20:17 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Actually, you don't. Not at least in the daily cdimage section. | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 20:17 |
| astraljava | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20110606/ | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | that's the alternate, desktop is http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 20:19 |
| astraljava | HAHA! | 20:19 |
| astraljava | Oh man. | 20:19 |
| astraljava | I suck. | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | We will help you. Before you know it, you will be smart again | 20:19 |
| * charlie-tca thinks that sounds wrong, but the intent was very nice :-) | 20:21 | |
| astraljava | I sincerely doubt that, but I like the sound of that. :D | 20:21 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: making these windows all the way to the screen bottom takes a lot of getting used to, too | 20:23 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: k, i won't be around much now, let's test this a bit more in the upcoming weeks | 20:23 |
| * micahg is reminded of the Star Trek TNG episode "Samaritan Snare" | 20:23 | |
| charlie-tca | okay | 20:23 |
| ochosi | (actually i have a few busy weeks ahead of me) | 20:23 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: what would be great is something like a screenshot-comparison of the different font-sizes | 20:24 |
| ochosi | that'd make it easy for everyone | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | I will make notes then, so we have something to start with | 20:24 |
| ochosi | because DPI settings are also really crucial for that | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | I can try to do screenshots | 20:24 |
| ochosi | different DPI settings, different font-size | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 20:24 |
| ochosi | that's actually a real problem with setting the default.. | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | They reverted the DPI back to 96 now, so it should stay the same | 20:25 |
| ochosi | because something in x (not sure what exactly) calculates the "optimum" dpi settings for your resolution | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | really? | 20:25 |
| ochosi | otherwise the pixels look blurry | 20:25 |
| cody-somerville | micahg, did you ping me? | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | I will try different things, then | 20:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, thanks | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | LIke I say, it could be my eyes, too | 20:25 |
| ochosi | or the resolution ;) | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | again with the resolution wrong? | 20:26 |
| micahg | cody-somerville: yesterday to see if you wanted to run the meeting in charlie-tca's absence | 20:30 |
| * charlie-tca hides face again | 20:30 | |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no worries :) | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | Leafpad has print capability now. Mousepad is stalled unless jeromeg picks it up. | 20:32 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: jannis dented that nick might pick it up | 20:35 |
| micahg | (mousepad) | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I got the name wrong, I though I saw where jeromeg might. At least if one of them does, it will be good. | 20:36 |
| astraljava | Well, the alternate worked okay. | 21:30 |
| astraljava | Going to try the desktop now. | 21:31 |
| charlie-tca | 32 or 64bit? | 21:33 |
| astraljava | 32-bit | 21:34 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Thanks for testing it | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | There goes my job... | 21:34 |
| astraljava | Unit193: My humblest apologies. :D | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | you ain't getting off that easy | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | astraljava: Thanks! | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | I'm guessing I followed the short list too closely... | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | You get to try again tomorrow, Unit193 | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: alternate manual install, desktop guided resize tomorrow, please. | 21:37 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I did the alt cd last. I do it again? (It was whole disk) | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | Do you have things in mind you want me to test? or just mostly follow the short guide? | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | mostly follow the guide. Yup, want the test again, but this time instead of whole disk, manual partition | 21:46 |
| charlie-tca | If you did the whole short test, just install, restart, update, restart, shutdown is good | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | Yes, boss! | 21:48 |
| astraljava | Does xubuntu have update-manager, btw.? | 21:48 |
| astraljava | I _could_ look it up, of course... | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | Got to know right away if the partitioning or boots or shutdowns fail on these. That will get them fixed quicker | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | yes, it does, astraljava | 21:49 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Okay, and it should have notified me of updates? | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | I forget to use it sometimes, but it is there. We do not insist on you being forced to use it immediately, though | 21:49 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Cause I didn't even try since it didn't. | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | It should notify, after a few to several minutes | 21:49 |
| astraljava | Right, okay. | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | apt-get is fine? | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | If you download updates while installing, it usually triggers update-manager quickly, otherwise, it can take it quite a while to trigger | 21:50 |
| Unit193 | I'll report back here or memo you, sound good? | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | sounds good, yes | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | hm, seems I will need to leave my xchat up, so I get these messages properly. | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | Did you see the email about the guy that doesn't want LibreOffice? (I would like it included) | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | We won't add libreoffice as a default application, it is too big and slow | 21:53 |
| Unit193 | That works for me! | 21:55 |
| astraljava | Damn, maverick's usb-creator crashes while trying to create an install disk from the desktop iso | 21:55 |
| charlie-tca | try unetbootin, it works better for me | 21:55 |
| astraljava | Okay, will do. | 21:57 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: answered that email | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: I don't what day the image he tried was, I installed Oneiric this weekend and am using it now. LibreOffice is not installed | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I'm getting that bloody 2,499 will be freed again... | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | I didn't think I saw that when I booted it... | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | oh, updates? | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | What is it removing? | 22:13 |
| astraljava | Hmm... I thought I picked oneiric iso, as I don't even have a natty iso for xubuntu on my system. | 22:19 |
| astraljava | But it said "You are installing the latest, 11.04 of Xubuntu" | 22:19 |
| astraljava | ...or something... | 22:19 |
| astraljava | Hmm... shouldn't update-manager ask for password when you're doing a check, too? Similar to `sudo apt-get update'? | 22:28 |
| astraljava | Well, desktop install for 32-bit seems to work very well too. Nothing to update, so cannot verify that part. | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | no, password only asks for password to do the updates themselves, usually | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | It might not have the wording updated yet, something for Unit193 to verify tomorrow, though. | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: how many people you got in studio that will be testing for you? | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | oops, got to run | 22:46 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: I have no idea, so far. | 22:50 |
| astraljava | Just got into this position last night. :) | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | So I need to check for "Installing 11.04" | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: When you get back (To answer your question) http://paste.ubuntu.com/620327/ | 23:24 |
| astraljava | Unit193: Yeah, that's on one of the screens when using the desktop installer icon, when the actual installation procedure kicks in. | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | astraljava: I'm doing the alt install tomorrow (Depending on what charlie-tca wants, I may have to do both...) | 23:29 |
| astraljava | Unit193: Okay cool, I'll be here to see how it goes for you at some point, my bro will come for an over-night, but I should have some time. | 23:34 |
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