[00:37] robert_ancell: hi, I finally got a lightdm crash w/apport on, so I reported w/apport [00:37] micahg, oh awesome. I didn't see the bug # though? [00:38] robert_ancell: still needs retracing [00:38] ok [00:51] b'ah, i can't get enigmail to work with the latest thunderbird [00:55] wtf [00:56] chrisccoulson: I assume you rebuilt against the new -dev and bumped the compatiblity version [00:56] micahg - yes, i'm using the latest trunk source [00:56] i've already found the issue ;) [00:57] they gave every JS component the same class ID, which is never going to work in a million years [00:59] fun [01:02] yay, it works \o/ [01:09] chrisccoulson: Sounds like you are really pushing the TB on CD. :) [01:09] heh :) [01:09] it's a shame there's no space ;) [01:11] Yeah. [01:12] Because thunderbird is more accessible than evolution. [01:15] robert_ancell: does lightdm have a concept of theming, or is that just another greeter? [01:15] micahg, the theming is done by the greeter, so there is a GtkBuilder greeter which is highly themable, the example GTK one just has background/GTK theme options [01:17] robert_ancell: I don't see a gtkbuilder greeter in the package list [01:17] is that the vala one? [01:21] micahg, no, it's developed by an external developer, I can never work out which is the root repository, but this is one: http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/ldm-gtk-builder-greeter;a=tree [01:22] robert_ancell: ah, ok, so we can have one greeter with multiple themes then? [01:22] yes [01:22] col [01:22] cool [01:37] gross even [01:37] whoops wrong window [03:30] RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso, jasoncwarner how is life in upside down tomorrow land? [03:30] rickspencer3_: Fine thanks. :) [03:32] Slightly cold :) [03:32] cold? [03:33] My office needs a bit more insulation in the roof :) [03:34] TheMuso, what are you up to in 11.10? [03:36] rickspencer3_ still getting used to saying "winter" for june/july [03:36] not used to that! [03:36] rickspencer3_: a11y again mostly. Getting at-spi2 in, trying to get the Qt a11y stuff at least into the archive and somewhat working, working on ubiquity a11y improvements. [03:37] * bryceh waves [03:39] hiya bryceh [03:39] hi jasoncwarner [03:40] TheMuso, sounds good [03:40] TheMuso, are you working on 3d unity, getting the dash to be accessible and all? [03:41] rickspencer3_: Will be once the dx team ramp up on new unity stuff again [03:41] my first priority is actually ahving a working a11y environment in oneiric [03:44] To that end, I hope to upgrade this afternoon. [03:45] TheMuso, it's about that time, I suppose [03:45] personally, I shall wait until Dublin to upgrade [03:47] rickspencer3_ I'm running it as a daily test machine. If you install the gnome upstream theme, it is quite usable. Though I wouldn't suggest everyone update just yet ;) [03:50] jasoncwarner, yeah [03:50] I figured I'd wait until Dublin, right before A2, and lots of developers around if it breaks :) [04:15] hi [04:19] hiya all === pitti_ is now known as pitti [05:36] Good morning [05:41] Morning pitti. [06:58] TheMuso: hey Luke! now that at-spi2 is in main, should we change the seeds now? [06:58] or are these pulled in via dependencies? [06:59] TheMuso: want me to rebuild the meta package for your seed changes from yesterday? [07:25] pitti: I should have made all the necessary seed changes by now, if you need to do other seed changes and rebuild the meta, go ahead. [07:25] TheMuso: ah, so at-spi-* packages don't get seeded, but pulled in by dependencies? [07:26] Oh hang on, one of them needs to be seeded, let me take care of that. [07:26] ack [07:26] TheMuso: I don't have changes of my own, I just want your's to get into the daily images [07:26] ah ok [07:27] pitti: Ok pushed, just had to see at-spi2-core, the rest of the stack should be pulled in with deps. [07:28] TheMuso: thanks [07:28] *seed [07:33] TheMuso: uploaded new meta; so tomorrow's dailies should have the new goodness [07:38] pitti: Also could you kindly add appmenu-gtk3 to meta? [07:38] argh it isn't seeded yet [07:40] pitti: sweet thanks. [07:40] hm, shouldn't that be pulled in by indicator-appmenu once it's ported to gtk3? [07:40] cdbs: ^ [07:40] hmm [07:40] correct [07:41] * cdbs [07:41] * cdbs looks at the blueprint [07:58] good morning [07:58] bonjour didrocks [07:58] guten morgen pitti! How are you? [07:59] I'm great, thanks! how about yourself? [07:59] seems you reminded about the reminder :) [07:59] I'm fine, thanks! [07:59] had a nice Taekwondo training again yesterday [07:59] I still need to get used to the more intense training in this club, though [08:01] oh? the level is higher than in your previous club? [08:02] oh yeah; everyone else is miles ahead of me [08:04] at least, it's challenging then :-) [08:05] didrocks: Hey, you've already implemented a static quicklist for gnome-terminal [08:05] didrocks: but it ain't working [08:06] cdbs: yeah, I know, there is a bug in unity I guess [08:06] cdbs: see the changelog, I reported it IIRC [08:07] cdbs: you're welcome to find the bug (the exact same quicklist on another application works, and it's the right desktop file which is matched) [08:07] didrocks: upstream, right? Yeah, its GNOME bug #651531 [08:07] Gnome bug 651531 in general "Add Quicklist support for unity" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651531 [08:07] cdbs: no, the bug is in unity [08:08] not in the quicklist [08:08] didrocks: okay, /me searches for a bug registered on Unity [08:08] cdbs: bug #790563 [08:08] Launchpad bug 790563 in bamf "Static quicklist in gnome-terminal doesn't work" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790563 [08:08] ah thanks [08:09] I think it's bamf [08:09] not sure [08:09] didn't get a ook [08:09] look* [08:09] * cdbs diggs in [08:09] err, digs [08:09] cdbs: btw, when do you think you will have time to look at the integration spec? (unity/apps) [08:09] didrocks: I've looked at it, what else is needed? [08:10] cdbs: doing the WI? :) [08:10] didrocks: I just marked 2 INPROGRESS [08:10] didrocks: will complete most of them by Friday [08:10] all should be complete by A2 [08:10] cdbs: excellent, keep us posted if you don't have the time to finish everything in it, we can give in hand in case [08:10] its a trivial task ;) [08:11] cdbs: right, but don't overload you in case you don't have the time :-) [08:12] mvo: Hey, when one runs update-manager, the progress dialog that comes up, is it a part of update-manager itself or is it a part of aptdaemon? [08:13] cdbs, it is part of aptdaemon's gtk python module [08:13] thanks for the info glatzor [08:20] cdbs: that is part of aptdaemon [08:20] cdbs: it has a set of helpers and gtk python progress widgets [08:20] mvo: Is it possible to somehow determine inside aptdaemon whether its being run from software-center, synaptic or update-manager? [08:21] Does s-c even use aptdaemon? :) [08:23] cdbs, Each transaction has got a MetaData property. [08:23] hmm [08:23] RAOF, do you know much about multiseat? [08:24] cdbs, the client can set it accordingly. SC stores the app name and icon. [08:24] robert_ancell: Not very much, although I understand that much of the dificulty is basically in divying up the input devices. [08:25] is there a guide for porting from libnotify1 to libnotify4? [08:25] RAOF, I think essentially it's just running multiple X servers with different configuration files (-config) or one config file and using -layout. Does that seem to make sense? [08:25] cdbs, http://packages.python.org/aptdaemon/dbus.html#org-debian-apt-transaction-the-transaction-interface [08:25] robert_ancell: Yeah, that'd be it. [08:25] cdbs: not trivially currently, but that should be relatively easy to add [08:26] glatzor: mvo: Thanks, I got my answer with some digging (into the code) :) [08:26] cdbs, what do you want to achieve? [08:26] RAOF, will -layout cover all the different options, or do you need to pass other flags, e.g. -keyboard, ... [08:26] robert_ancell: sending another lightdm crash, the retracer is catching up, so you should see them soon [08:27] micahg, cheers, will get to them tomorrow [08:27] glatzor: you'll soon know :) I'm trying to get aptdaemon to pass the ProgressBar values to libunity and display it on the appropriate LauncherEntry [08:28] cdbs, what it help you to get the dbus sender name? [08:28] cdbs: the experience from installing from software-center is planned differently FYI [08:28] cdbs, would .. [08:29] didrocks: yeah, I'll have to treat it differently for s-c, but it'd be funny if the progress bar comes up both on the UM and SC icons if the user is installing something using SC [08:29] cdbs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Learning how to launch an application [08:29] To avoid that, I'll have to display the thing only when U-M is running [08:29] robert_ancell: I'm not sure. What more would you need? Default input keymap is system-wide, but can be changed per-session. You can specify the input groupings in the ServerLayout section. [08:29] cdbs: this is what should happen when you install an application, no progress bar in SC [08:30] so yeah, filtering for u-m is the first step which will be needed :) [08:30] RAOF, I don't know, my guess is you just need to choose the input and output devices, and my guess is -layout will be able to select all that [08:30] didrocks: Oh yeah, that'd be nice, iOS-style! [08:31] don't know how this is :-) [08:31] robert_ancell: Yeah. If your xorg.conf has the appopriate ServerLayout sections you should be able to select them with -layout, and they determine an input/output grouping. [08:33] cdbs, I could export the pid or process name of the client application in the aptdaemon transaction if this makes your life easier [08:34] glatzor: I'm working on it this way: U-M would set something like clientname to update-manager and aptdaemon gtkwidgets.py would query that. If it exists and is set to u-m, it'll display the progress on the Unity launcher [08:35] any objections? I've already implemented it, just to test it [08:37] cdbs, I am not familiar with libunity. The progress bar is controlled by the application and not by unity? [08:38] glatzor: Its libunity which does that. It can control any desktop file's launcher icon [08:38] glatzor: and it can be controlled from a non-related app as well [08:39] glatzor: basically, you just use libunity to give a gtkmenu/progress bar count, emblem count, and then libunity contact unity over dbus which renders the result [08:39] glatzor: we have also some timeout and other nice things to avoid having something stuck if the application dies [08:40] cdbs, would you like to share your (early) code? [08:40] didrocks, thanks. [08:42] pitti: you still find package victims to kill in ubuntu-meta \o/ [08:42] didrocks: that was TheMuso :) [08:42] oh, the spi2 transition :-) [08:42] nice! [08:43] cdbs, s-c can handle multiple transaction - so it is quite difficult to get the overall progress. furthremore s-c doesn't make use of the gtkwidgets. it has got a custom progress implementation [08:43] TheMuso: hey, btw, do you have any news on the Qt a11y patch? [08:43] * didrocks tries a Qt rebuild in his ppa, crossing fingers [08:57] mornig [08:57] morning [08:57] good morning rodrigo_ [09:02] hey rodrigo_ [09:03] hi pitti, didrocks [09:05] hey desktopers [09:05] hey rodrigo_ pitti [09:05] bonjour seb128 [09:06] glatzor: My current implementation is forced-filtered to update-manager only [09:06] glatzor: yeah, I'm currently fixing some issues, will push a branch soon [09:07] seb128: salut! [09:07] lut didrocks ;-) [09:07] bonojur seb128 [09:08] hey pitti [09:08] how is everybody today? [09:09] pitti, well done on the icon theme! [09:09] seb128: merci [09:10] DBO, great work on those "bugs contributors can start on"! [09:10] really nice description and hints on how to start etc that's nice [09:10] we should do the same for some desktop bugs ;-) [09:11] smspillaz, didrocks: oh, and nice work in getting the compiz sru out ;-) [09:11] (lot of nice things in this start of week) [09:11] seb128: thanks :) [09:12] pitti, btw did you see my gdm ping yesterday? [09:12] seb128: uh, seems I missed that, sorry [09:13] pitti, no worry, I was asking if you think you will have time for gdm this week or if we should upload with the locale patches not applied or we should switch to lightdm now that kees acked the mir bug [09:13] seb128: oh, kees did? let's switch then, yes [09:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/787353 [09:13] seb128: I can look into gdm 3 now [09:13] Ubuntu bug 787353 in lightdm "[MIR] lightdm" [Undecided,In progress] [09:13] well not sure if it still need a mir team ack [09:14] or just kees one [09:14] kees is a MIR member [09:15] seb128: I promoted the package now; robert already seeded it, so I'll drop gdm from the seeds, and rebuild -meta in two hours [09:15] ok, in fact doko bounce the bug to the security team so I'm not sure if kees reviewed with a security hat, mir hat or both [09:15] ok great [09:15] that's the usual workflow, anyway [09:15] robert_ancell, get ready for some bug report ;-) [09:15] hm, gdm-guest-session will need to be ported as well then [09:15] robert_ancell, hey btw ;-) [09:16] * pitti drops that from the seed for now [09:16] seb128, duh duh duh!!! [09:16] robert_ancell, how are you? how is the lightdm hacking going? ;-) [09:16] pitti, working on guest session support for next release, will probably ping you to review implementation [09:16] oh, rad [09:17] seb128, good. Working on getting regression tests working (man it's hard to unittest a system service), but need them earlier rather than later [09:17] robert_ancell: do you think we should change gdm-guest-session to also support lightdm? (it's not very gdm specific really) [09:17] robert_ancell, is it working for those who tried? I didn't dare yet, I was about to when ogra mentioned he didn't get anything out of a spinning cursor for a session with it ;-) [09:17] or do you want to bundle it all into lightdm itself? [09:17] pitti, well guest session is an Ubuntu specific patch right? I figure we should just drop support for guest sessions in GDM [09:17] robert_ancell: also, we need to work on the session management in general as we discussed, prepare to get flood with requests :-) [09:17] robert_ancell: in upower etc. I added a daemon option which makes it connect to the session bus instead of system bus; then you can run the test suite under dbus-launch, even during package build [09:18] robert_ancell: correct [09:18] robert_ancell: but gdm-guest-session is mainly an apparmor profile and a script to construct a temporary home dir with settings, etc. [09:18] seb128, yes, it seems to work generally well. I think pitti had some problems with locale, and micahg is getting crashes (waiting for stacktraces) but he seems to be the only one [09:18] robert_ancell: 90% of it should apply to lightdm, too [09:18] pitti, the difficulty is dealing with PAM and the password database [09:19] right, we need to align lightdm's .dmrc/locale handling to gdm [09:19] robert_ancell: ah, indeed; I wonder if it's possible to tell libpam to use a different root directory for its stuff, like /tmp/test.XXXX/etc/shadow etc. [09:22] seb128: sorry about the reminder reminder; by now my brain just reminds me all by itself when I start working on a Tuesday :/ [09:22] pitti, that's ok ;-) [09:23] btw, any idea about what should be done for sound-theme-freedesktop ? [09:24] (libcanberra depending on it) [09:24] didrocks, drop the depends? [09:24] seb128: seems that the kubuntu guys readded it [09:24] I'll talk to apachelogger [09:25] thanks, I commented on the bug where he added the depends yesterday [09:25] does he do IRC? [09:26] seb128: yes, generally [09:26] seb128: btw, he answered on the bug report in case you didn't notice [09:26] he responded to my comment asking if we ship hicolor-icon-theme on the CD... [09:27] right :-) [09:27] didrocks, well I don't want to start trolling on the bug so I don't intend to respond at that one [09:27] I will wait to see him on IRC [09:27] ok [09:27] his apachelogger his nickname? [09:27] yeah [09:27] I was so suprised getting those sounds yesterday [09:27] didrocks, but feel free to respond on the bug if you want [09:28] didrocks, what sound does it add to the desktop? [09:28] I didn't ugprade yet [09:28] seb128: well, I didn't see you started the discussion, so better you handle it [09:28] ok [09:28] seb128: like, if you try to make some shell completion on the terminal and there is no match [09:28] you have some kind of a bip [09:29] didrocks, it's not using the speaker right? ;-) [09:29] basically, all the cases we had sound event in 4.10/5.04 (it was dropped after that IIRC?) [09:29] seb128: not the system speaker, thanks god :-) [09:29] I think I turned sound effects off by then already so not sure what we had :p [09:30] I remember to get some in at least the two first ubuntu releases. so yeah, probably turned off at 5.10 [09:30] some kind of back in time effect, interesting :-) === fenris is now known as Guest8457 === ronoc_ is now known as ronoc [09:35] oh, nice! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110607/ [09:35] down to 712 MB [09:36] pitti, cool, and what else is going to be removed to get it down? [09:36] pitti, did your icon theme change already landed or was that before it? [09:41] is there a problem with python-notify in oneiric? API change or something? [09:42] fta2: this is deprecated [09:42] bug 793274 [09:42] Launchpad bug 793274 in my-weather-indicator "crash on startup on oneiric with libnotify:ERROR "code should not be reached"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793274 [09:42] fta2, the libnotify api changed, cf my GNOME3 email on the lists [09:42] use gir1.2-notify-0.7 now [09:42] doh! [09:43] pitti, well python-notify should still work [09:43] notify-python probably needs to be updated for the current libnotify to at least work [09:43] the _new function just dropped an argument [09:43] seb128: right [09:43] pitti, I did that on friday [09:43] seb128: btw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/620662/ :) [09:44] seb128: that's the delta between yesterday's and today's alternate [09:44] a little bit of gnome cleanup, too [09:44] seb128, well, it's broken since ~ that date [09:45] fta2, well as said the new libnotify has an api break, the new() function dropped an argument [09:45] fta2, so it's likely the python clients need an update [09:45] seb128: is there a porting guide for the new libnotify? [09:45] but python doesn't have sonames so the transition doesn't happen in a smooth way as it does with C libs [09:46] oh, shipping 5 xml compiz file for g-c-c instead of 2 is noticeable, fun :-) [09:46] micahg, "guide" no, there is the GNOME3 email I sent on the lists [09:46] seb128: ah, ok, will review that then [09:46] didrocks, xml files for what? [09:46] micahg, it's basically dropping an argument from the new() call, not sure how much of a guide that required [09:46] rodrigo_: files in /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/ [09:46] ah [09:46] rodrigo_: we sed the metacity files for compiz and change the wm name [09:47] micahg, they also deprecated the function to position a bubble next to a systray or widget so if those are used they should just be dropped [09:47] rodrigo_: as metacity split in 2.34 the file from 2 to 5, I did that yesterday for compiz as well [09:47] good morning everyone [09:47] hey chrisccoulson [09:47] hi pitti, how are you? [09:47] I'm great, thanks! [09:47] hey chrisccoulson [09:48] hey didrocks :) [09:48] hey chrisccoulson [09:48] chrisccoulson: so you could sleep a little longer again? [09:48] chrisccoulson: did your daughter stop getting teeth? :-) [09:48] pitti - yeah, my daughter has started sleeping in now [09:48] pitti, at-spi2 on the CD, great [09:48] but she is making up for it by waking up several times in the night instead ;) [09:48] so we should be very close of dropping the old libgnome, libbonobo etc [09:48] hi seb128, how are you? [09:48] well tomboy still keep part of it [09:49] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, what about you? [09:49] seb128, yeah, good thanks :) [09:49] chrisccoulson, shame that you are getting sleep again just when you got a new coffee machine to help you deal with the no sleep issue :p [09:50] heh, i'm glad i've got a coffee machine which doesn't leak all over the kitchen now :) [09:50] leaking coffee machine = wasted coffee ;) [09:50] hehe [09:52] hmmm, i keep having weird focus issues in oneiric :/ [09:52] it's affecting more than just firefox now for some reason [09:54] hey chrisccoulson [09:54] hi rodrigo_, how are you? [09:55] chrisccoulson, fine, although starting to get nervous, as I need to go to the dentist in a little bit :( [09:55] but fine apart from that :) [09:55] rodrigo_, oh, is that just for a regular appointment? [09:55] i hate the dentist too ;) [09:55] he removed one of my teeth for no reason! [09:56] chrisccoulson, no, just a fix-me appointment :) [09:56] chrisccoulson, ugh, really? [09:57] rodrigo_, did you figure when mono will get gsettings binding? [09:57] rodrigo_, yeah, i had impacted lower wisdom teeth a few years ago, and my dentist suggested removing one of the top ones might help [09:57] seb128, no, no answer back from allan [09:57] and he could remove the top one without me going in to hospital [09:57] but it made no difference and i ended up having to go to hospital to have the bottom ones removed anyway ;) [09:57] chrisccoulson, ugh [09:57] so my dentist owes me a tooth! :) [09:57] yeah, he should pay it back :) [09:57] heh [09:58] rodrigo_, what are you on working on this week btw? Just trying to figure where we stand for the remaining updates, it seems mostly stalled for some days [09:59] seb128, working on the g-c-c related work items, but I can take some updates [10:00] * rodrigo_ looks at the versions page [10:00] rodrigo_, no, that's ok, there is no hurry on the remaining ones [10:00] I'm doing gnome-user-share [10:01] out of that yelp is the only easy one remaining it seems [10:01] ok, will do some in idle times [10:01] we should probably build it with gtk3 rather than gtk2 as well [10:01] rodrigo_, don't bother, better to focus on one thing and we need the g-c-c work done as well ;-) [10:01] ok :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:11] * pitti blames didrocks for using black magic for gdm's 30_don_t_save_failsafe_session.patch [10:12] pitti: it's not black magic, it's code :-) [10:12] calling undefined functions is not something they taught me in the 3rd magic school grade yet! [10:12] what? /me checks [10:12] I'm looking for get_session_comment_for_file() [10:13] none of our patches defines it, and it's not in gdm upstream's trunk nor gnome-2-32 branch [10:13] was it in on of the patches I dropped? [10:13] * didrocks bzr pull to latest version [10:13] ooh [10:13] nevermind, guys [10:13] r334 [10:13] ah see! :-) [10:14] all blaming me without any reason \o/ [10:14] * didrocks will cry in a corner :-) [10:14] * pitti hugs didrocks [10:14] * didrocks hugs pitti [10:14] ok, dentist time, bbl [10:14] eww, good luck! [10:15] rodrigo_, good luck... [10:15] yeah, my function was entirely removed in r334 [10:15] good luck rodrigo_! [10:15] didrocks, so it's not me \o/ [10:16] seb128: no, you're safe! ;-) [10:29] pitti: seb128: your take on naming the additional split of compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main to add -addon? (compiz-plugins-addon and compiz-plugins-main-addon) ? (this is to avoid the confusion with compiz-plugins-extra which is in universe) [10:29] it's confusing either way :) [10:29] didrocks, what is the split about? just shipping by default what is activated? [10:29] it will be :-) [10:30] seb128: right [10:30] and ccsm will recommends those [10:30] I would so add a -default rather which only ships the default [10:30] didrocks: so compiz-plugins (default), c-p-main-extra (binary splitout from main package), and c-p-extra (universe source/binary)? [10:30] and keep the old name for the other ones with a depends on -default [10:31] right, or c-p-default and and c-p [10:31] so, compiz-plugins-default, compiz-plugins-main-default [10:31] and the leftover in compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main [10:31] + compiz-plugins-extra which we don't touch and already in universe [10:31] right [10:31] that would be my choice but I don't have a strong feeling, your call really [10:32] ok, thanks for the suggestion seb128 and pitti :-) [10:32] well, if I asked you, it's because I wasn't happy with -addon :-) [10:32] your suggestion is better [10:32] great ;-) [10:33] it also means for those upgrading there is no change [10:33] right [10:33] and so ccsm will recommends compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main (and suggest c-p-extra) [10:34] correct [10:34] gdm_3.0.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb -- wohoo! (and with just two patches disabledv) [10:34] nice :-) [10:35] pitti, \o/ [10:35] -/var/lib/gdm/.gconf.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml [10:35] +/var/lib/gdm/.config/dconf [10:35] ah, so that's how that works now [10:36] it still has a gconf dependency and ./var/lib/gdm/.gconf.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml, though [10:37] pitti, we should copy the patches from debian [10:37] yeah, I'll merge with Debian as the next-next step (after porting the patches) [10:37] 91_dconf_override.patch [10:37] 92_gsettings_path.patch [10:37] they also have 3.0.4 [10:37] right [10:38] brb [10:38] the naming difference is just annoying [10:48] I've been thinking of going through bugs in gnome-shell and closing as invalid those reported for unstable versions in PPAs and other unofficial sources [10:48] Sounds good? [10:49] lucidfox: for crashers etc., yes; if there are ones which are easy to check, like UI bugs for feature requests, these should be checked before closing, or left open IMHO [10:56] re [10:56] sorry got some issues after restart due to partial updates ;-) [11:00] hi seb128, didrocks and fredp [11:01] lut kinoucho` [11:01]