[00:37] <micahg> robert_ancell: hi, I finally got a lightdm crash w/apport on, so I reported w/apport
[00:37] <robert_ancell> micahg, oh awesome.  I didn't see the bug # though?
[00:38] <micahg> robert_ancell: still needs retracing
[00:38] <robert_ancell> ok
[00:51] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, i can't get enigmail to work with the latest thunderbird
[00:55] <chrisccoulson> wtf
[00:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I assume you rebuilt against the new -dev and bumped the compatiblity version
[00:56] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yes, i'm using the latest trunk source
[00:56] <chrisccoulson> i've already found the issue ;)
[00:57] <chrisccoulson> they gave every JS component the same class ID, which is never going to work in a million years
[00:59] <micahg> fun
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> yay, it works \o/
[01:09] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Sounds like you are really pushing the TB on CD. :)
[01:09] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[01:09] <chrisccoulson> it's a shame there's no space ;)
[01:11] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[01:12] <TheMuso> Because thunderbird is more accessible than evolution.
[01:15] <micahg> robert_ancell: does lightdm have a concept of theming, or is that just another greeter?
[01:15] <robert_ancell> micahg, the theming is done by the greeter, so there is a GtkBuilder greeter which is highly themable, the example GTK one just has background/GTK theme options
[01:17] <micahg> robert_ancell: I don't see a gtkbuilder greeter in the package list
[01:17] <micahg> is that the vala one?
[01:21] <robert_ancell> micahg, no, it's developed by an external developer, I can never work out which is the root repository, but this is one: http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/ldm-gtk-builder-greeter;a=tree
[01:22] <micahg> robert_ancell: ah, ok, so we can have one greeter with multiple themes then?
[01:22] <robert_ancell> yes
[01:22] <micahg> col
[01:22] <micahg> cool
[01:37] <TheMuso> gross even
[01:37] <TheMuso> whoops wrong window
[03:30] <rickspencer3_> RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso, jasoncwarner how is life in upside down tomorrow land?
[03:30] <TheMuso> rickspencer3_: Fine thanks. :)
[03:32] <RAOF> Slightly cold :)
[03:32] <rickspencer3_> cold?
[03:33] <RAOF> My office needs a bit more insulation in the roof :)
[03:34] <rickspencer3_> TheMuso, what are you up to in 11.10?
[03:36] <jasoncwarner> rickspencer3_  still getting used to saying "winter" for june/july
[03:36] <jasoncwarner> not used to that!
[03:36] <TheMuso> rickspencer3_: a11y again mostly. Getting at-spi2 in, trying to get the Qt a11y stuff at least into the archive and somewhat working, working on ubiquity a11y improvements.
[03:37]  * bryceh waves
[03:39] <rickspencer3_> hiya bryceh
[03:39] <rickspencer3_> hi jasoncwarner
[03:40] <rickspencer3_> TheMuso, sounds good
[03:40] <rickspencer3_> TheMuso, are you working on 3d unity, getting the dash to be accessible and all?
[03:41] <TheMuso> rickspencer3_: Will be once the dx team ramp up on new unity stuff again
[03:41] <TheMuso> my first priority is actually ahving a working a11y environment in oneiric
[03:44] <TheMuso> To that end, I hope to upgrade this afternoon.
[03:45] <rickspencer3_> TheMuso, it's about that time, I suppose
[03:45] <rickspencer3_> personally, I shall wait until Dublin to upgrade
[03:47] <jasoncwarner> rickspencer3_ I'm running it as a daily test machine. If you install the gnome upstream theme, it is quite usable. Though I wouldn't suggest everyone update just yet ;)
[03:50] <rickspencer3_> jasoncwarner, yeah
[03:50] <rickspencer3_> I figured I'd wait until Dublin, right before A2, and lots of developers around if it breaks :)
[04:15] <BigPalabra> hi
[04:19] <braiam> hiya all
[05:36] <pitti> Good morning
[05:41] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[06:58] <pitti> TheMuso: hey Luke! now that at-spi2 is in main, should we change the seeds now?
[06:58] <pitti> or are these pulled in via dependencies?
[06:59] <pitti> TheMuso: want me to rebuild the meta package for your seed changes from yesterday?
[07:25] <TheMuso> pitti: I should have made all the necessary seed changes by now, if you need to do other seed changes and rebuild the meta, go ahead.
[07:25] <pitti> TheMuso: ah, so at-spi-* packages don't get seeded, but pulled in by dependencies?
[07:26] <TheMuso> Oh hang on, one of them needs to be seeded, let me take care of that.
[07:26] <pitti> ack
[07:26] <pitti> TheMuso: I don't have changes of my own, I just want your's to get into the daily images
[07:26] <TheMuso> ah ok
[07:27] <TheMuso> pitti: Ok pushed, just had to see at-spi2-core, the rest of the stack should be pulled in with deps.
[07:28] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks
[07:28] <TheMuso> *seed
[07:33] <pitti> TheMuso: uploaded new meta; so tomorrow's dailies should have the new goodness
[07:38] <cdbs> pitti: Also could you kindly add appmenu-gtk3 to meta?
[07:38] <cdbs> argh it isn't seeded yet
[07:40] <TheMuso> pitti: sweet thanks.
[07:40] <pitti> hm, shouldn't that be pulled in by indicator-appmenu once it's ported to gtk3?
[07:40] <pitti> cdbs: ^
[07:40] <cdbs> hmm
[07:40] <cdbs> correct
[07:41]  * cdbs 
[07:41]  * cdbs looks at the blueprint
[07:58] <didrocks> good morning
[07:58] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:58] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti! How are you?
[07:59] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! how about yourself?
[07:59] <didrocks> seems you reminded about the reminder  :)
[07:59] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks!
[07:59] <pitti> had a nice Taekwondo training again yesterday
[07:59] <pitti> I still need to get used to the more intense training in this club, though
[08:01] <didrocks> oh? the level is higher than in your previous club?
[08:02] <pitti> oh yeah; everyone else is miles ahead of me
[08:04] <didrocks> at least, it's challenging then :-)
[08:05] <cdbs> didrocks: Hey, you've already implemented a static quicklist for gnome-terminal
[08:05] <cdbs> didrocks: but it ain't working
[08:06] <didrocks> cdbs: yeah, I know, there is a bug in unity I guess
[08:06] <didrocks> cdbs: see the changelog, I reported it IIRC
[08:07] <didrocks> cdbs: you're welcome to find the bug (the exact same quicklist on another application works, and it's the right desktop file which is matched)
[08:07] <cdbs> didrocks: upstream, right? Yeah, its GNOME bug #651531
[08:07] <ubot2> Gnome bug 651531 in general "Add Quicklist support for unity" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651531
[08:07] <didrocks> cdbs: no, the bug is in unity
[08:08] <didrocks> not in the quicklist
[08:08] <cdbs> didrocks: okay, /me searches for a bug registered on Unity
[08:08] <didrocks> cdbs: bug #790563
[08:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 790563 in bamf "Static quicklist in gnome-terminal doesn't work" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790563
[08:08] <cdbs> ah thanks
[08:09] <didrocks> I think it's bamf
[08:09] <didrocks> not sure
[08:09] <didrocks> didn't get a ook
[08:09] <didrocks> look*
[08:09]  * cdbs diggs in
[08:09] <cdbs> err, digs
[08:09] <didrocks> cdbs: btw, when do you think you will have time to look at the integration spec? (unity/apps)
[08:09] <cdbs> didrocks: I've looked at it, what else is needed?
[08:10] <didrocks> cdbs: doing the WI? :)
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: I just marked 2 INPROGRESS
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: will complete most of them by Friday
[08:10] <cdbs> all should be complete by A2
[08:10] <didrocks> cdbs: excellent, keep us posted if you don't have the time to finish everything in it, we can give in hand in case
[08:10] <cdbs> its a trivial task ;)
[08:11] <didrocks> cdbs: right, but don't overload you in case you don't have the time :-)
[08:12] <cdbs> mvo: Hey, when one runs update-manager, the progress dialog that comes up, is it a part of update-manager itself or is it a part of aptdaemon?
[08:13] <glatzor> cdbs, it is part of aptdaemon's gtk python module
[08:13] <cdbs> thanks for the info glatzor
[08:20] <mvo> cdbs: that is part of aptdaemon
[08:20] <mvo> cdbs: it has a set of helpers and gtk python progress widgets
[08:20] <cdbs> mvo: Is it possible to somehow determine inside aptdaemon whether its being run from software-center, synaptic or update-manager?
[08:21] <cdbs> Does s-c even use aptdaemon? :)
[08:23] <glatzor> cdbs, Each transaction has got a MetaData property.
[08:23] <cdbs> hmm
[08:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, do you know much about multiseat?
[08:24] <glatzor> cdbs, the client can set it accordingly. SC stores the app name and icon.
[08:24] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Not very much, although I understand that much of the dificulty is basically in divying up the input devices.
[08:25] <micahg> is there a guide for porting from libnotify1 to libnotify4?
[08:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I think essentially it's just running multiple X servers with different configuration files (-config) or one config file and using -layout.  Does that seem to make sense?
[08:25] <glatzor> cdbs, http://packages.python.org/aptdaemon/dbus.html#org-debian-apt-transaction-the-transaction-interface
[08:25] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yeah, that'd be it.
[08:25] <mvo> cdbs: not trivially currently, but that should be relatively easy to add
[08:26] <cdbs> glatzor: mvo: Thanks, I got my answer with some digging (into the code) :)
[08:26] <glatzor> cdbs, what do you want to achieve?
[08:26] <robert_ancell> RAOF, will -layout cover all the different options, or do you need to pass other flags, e.g. -keyboard, ...
[08:26] <micahg> robert_ancell: sending another lightdm crash, the retracer is catching up, so you should see them soon
[08:27] <robert_ancell> micahg, cheers, will get to them tomorrow
[08:27] <cdbs> glatzor: you'll soon know :) I'm trying to get aptdaemon to pass the ProgressBar values to libunity and display it on the appropriate LauncherEntry
[08:28] <glatzor> cdbs, what it help you to get the dbus sender name?
[08:28] <didrocks> cdbs: the experience from installing from software-center is planned differently FYI
[08:28] <glatzor> cdbs, would ..
[08:29] <cdbs> didrocks: yeah, I'll have to treat it differently for s-c, but it'd be funny if the progress bar comes up both on the UM and SC icons if the user is installing something using SC
[08:29] <didrocks> cdbs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Learning how to launch an application
[08:29] <cdbs> To avoid that, I'll have to display the thing only when U-M is running
[08:29] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I'm not sure.  What more would you need?  Default input keymap is system-wide, but can be changed per-session.  You can specify the input groupings in the ServerLayout section.
[08:29] <didrocks> cdbs: this is what should happen when you install an application, no progress bar in SC
[08:30] <didrocks> so yeah, filtering for u-m is the first step which will be needed :)
[08:30] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I don't know, my guess is you just need to choose the input and output devices, and my guess is -layout will be able to select all that
[08:30] <cdbs> didrocks: Oh yeah, that'd be nice, iOS-style!
[08:31] <didrocks> don't know how this is :-)
[08:31] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yeah.  If your xorg.conf has the appopriate ServerLayout sections you should be able to select them with -layout, and they determine an input/output grouping.
[08:33] <glatzor> cdbs, I could export the pid or process name of the client application in the aptdaemon transaction if this makes your life easier
[08:34] <cdbs> glatzor: I'm working on it this way: U-M would set something like clientname to update-manager and aptdaemon gtkwidgets.py would query that. If it exists and is set to u-m, it'll display the progress on the Unity launcher
[08:35] <cdbs> any objections? I've already implemented it, just to test it
[08:37] <glatzor> cdbs, I am not familiar with libunity. The progress bar is controlled by the application and not by unity?
[08:38] <cdbs> glatzor: Its libunity which does that. It can control any desktop file's launcher icon
[08:38] <cdbs> glatzor: and it can be controlled from a non-related app as well
[08:39] <didrocks> glatzor: basically, you just use libunity to give a gtkmenu/progress bar count, emblem count, and then libunity contact unity over dbus which renders the result
[08:39] <didrocks> glatzor: we have also some timeout and other nice things to avoid having something stuck if the application dies
[08:40] <glatzor> cdbs, would you like to share your (early) code?
[08:40] <glatzor> didrocks, thanks.
[08:42] <didrocks> pitti: you still find package victims to kill in ubuntu-meta \o/
[08:42] <pitti> didrocks: that was TheMuso :)
[08:42] <didrocks> oh, the spi2 transition :-)
[08:42] <didrocks> nice!
[08:43] <glatzor> cdbs, s-c can handle multiple transaction - so it is quite difficult to get the overall progress. furthremore s-c doesn't make use of the gtkwidgets. it has got a custom progress implementation
[08:43] <didrocks> TheMuso: hey, btw, do you have any news on the Qt a11y patch?
[08:43]  * didrocks tries a Qt rebuild in his ppa, crossing fingers
[08:57] <rodrigo_> mornig
[08:57] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:57] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[09:02] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:03] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, didrocks
[09:05] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:05] <seb128> hey rodrigo_ pitti
[09:05] <rodrigo_> bonjour seb128
[09:06] <cdbs> glatzor: My current implementation is forced-filtered to update-manager only
[09:06] <cdbs> glatzor: yeah, I'm currently fixing some issues, will push a branch soon
[09:07] <didrocks> seb128: salut!
[09:07] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[09:07] <pitti> bonojur seb128
[09:08] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:08] <seb128> how is everybody today?
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, well done on the icon theme!
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: merci
[09:10] <seb128> DBO, great work on those "bugs contributors can start on"!
[09:10] <seb128> really nice description and hints on how to start etc that's nice
[09:10] <seb128> we should do the same for some desktop bugs ;-)
[09:11] <seb128> smspillaz, didrocks: oh, and nice work in getting the compiz sru out ;-)
[09:11] <seb128> (lot of nice things in this start of week)
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, btw did you see my gdm ping yesterday?
[09:12] <pitti> seb128: uh, seems I missed that, sorry
[09:13] <seb128> pitti, no worry, I was asking if you think you will have time for gdm this week or if we should upload with the locale patches not applied or we should switch to lightdm now that kees acked the mir bug
[09:13] <pitti> seb128: oh, kees did? let's switch then, yes
[09:13] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/787353
[09:13] <pitti> seb128: I can look into gdm 3 now
[09:13] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 787353 in lightdm "[MIR] lightdm" [Undecided,In progress]
[09:13] <seb128> well not sure if it still need a mir team ack
[09:14] <seb128> or just kees one
[09:14] <pitti> kees is a MIR member
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: I promoted the package now; robert already seeded it, so I'll drop gdm from the seeds, and rebuild -meta in two hours
[09:15] <seb128> ok, in fact doko bounce the bug to the security team so I'm not sure if kees reviewed with a security hat, mir hat or both
[09:15] <seb128> ok great
[09:15] <pitti> that's the usual workflow, anyway
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, get ready for some bug report ;-)
[09:15] <pitti> hm, gdm-guest-session will need to be ported as well then
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey btw ;-)
[09:16]  * pitti drops that from the seed for now
[09:16] <robert_ancell> seb128, duh duh duh!!!
[09:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you? how is the lightdm hacking going? ;-)
[09:16] <robert_ancell> pitti, working on guest session support for next release, will probably ping you to review implementation
[09:16] <pitti> oh, rad
[09:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, good.  Working on getting regression tests working (man it's hard to unittest a system service), but need them earlier rather than later
[09:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: do you think we should change gdm-guest-session to also support lightdm? (it's not very gdm specific really)
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, is it working for those who tried? I didn't dare yet, I was about to when ogra mentioned he didn't get anything out of a spinning cursor for a session with it ;-)
[09:17] <pitti> or do you want to bundle it all into lightdm itself?
[09:17] <robert_ancell> pitti, well guest session is an Ubuntu specific patch right?  I figure we should just drop support for guest sessions in GDM
[09:17] <didrocks> robert_ancell: also, we need to work on the session management in general as we discussed, prepare to get flood with requests :-)
[09:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: in upower etc. I added a daemon option which makes it connect to the session bus instead of system bus; then you can run the test suite under dbus-launch, even during package build
[09:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: correct
[09:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: but gdm-guest-session is mainly an apparmor profile and a script to construct a temporary home dir with settings, etc.
[09:18] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, it seems to work generally well.  I think pitti had some problems with locale, and micahg is getting crashes (waiting for stacktraces) but he seems to be the only one
[09:18] <pitti> robert_ancell: 90% of it should apply to lightdm, too
[09:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, the difficulty is dealing with PAM and the password database
[09:19] <pitti> right, we need to align lightdm's .dmrc/locale handling to gdm
[09:19] <pitti> robert_ancell: ah, indeed; I wonder if it's possible to tell libpam to use a different root directory for its stuff, like /tmp/test.XXXX/etc/shadow etc.
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: sorry about the reminder reminder; by now my brain just reminds me all by itself when I start working on a Tuesday :/
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, that's ok ;-)
[09:23] <didrocks> btw, any idea about what should be done for sound-theme-freedesktop ?
[09:24] <didrocks> (libcanberra depending on it)
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, drop the depends?
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: seems that the kubuntu guys readded it
[09:24] <didrocks> I'll talk to apachelogger
[09:25] <seb128> thanks, I commented on the bug where he added the depends yesterday
[09:25] <seb128> does he do IRC?
[09:26] <didrocks> seb128: yes, generally
[09:26] <didrocks> seb128: btw, he answered on the bug report in case you didn't notice
[09:26] <seb128> he responded to my comment asking if we ship hicolor-icon-theme on the CD...
[09:27] <didrocks> right :-)
[09:27] <seb128> didrocks, well I don't want to start trolling on the bug so I don't intend to respond at that one
[09:27] <seb128> I will wait to see him on IRC
[09:27] <didrocks> ok
[09:27] <seb128> his apachelogger his nickname?
[09:27] <didrocks> yeah
[09:27] <didrocks> I was so suprised getting those sounds yesterday
[09:27] <seb128> didrocks, but feel free to respond on the bug if you want
[09:28] <seb128> didrocks, what sound does it add to the desktop?
[09:28] <seb128> I didn't ugprade yet
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: well, I didn't see you started the discussion, so better you handle it
[09:28] <seb128> ok
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: like, if you try to make some shell completion on the terminal and there is no match
[09:28] <didrocks> you have some kind of a bip
[09:29] <seb128> didrocks, it's not using the speaker right? ;-)
[09:29] <didrocks> basically, all the cases we had sound event in 4.10/5.04 (it was dropped after that IIRC?)
[09:29] <didrocks> seb128: not the system speaker, thanks god :-)
[09:29] <seb128> I think I turned sound effects off by then already so not sure what we had :p
[09:30] <didrocks> I remember to get some in at least the two first ubuntu releases. so yeah, probably turned off at 5.10
[09:30] <didrocks> some kind of back in time effect, interesting :-)
[09:35] <pitti> oh, nice! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110607/
[09:35] <pitti> down to 712 MB
[09:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, cool, and what else is going to be removed to get it down?
[09:36] <seb128> pitti, did your icon theme change already landed or was that before it?
[09:41] <fta2> is there a problem with python-notify in oneiric? API change or something?
[09:42] <pitti> fta2: this is deprecated
[09:42] <fta2> bug 793274
[09:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 793274 in my-weather-indicator "crash on startup on oneiric with libnotify:ERROR "code should not be reached"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793274
[09:42] <seb128> fta2, the libnotify api changed, cf my GNOME3 email on the lists
[09:42] <pitti> use gir1.2-notify-0.7 now
[09:42] <fta2> doh!
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, well python-notify should still work
[09:43] <pitti> notify-python probably needs to be updated for the current libnotify to at least work
[09:43] <seb128> the _new function just dropped an argument
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: right
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, I did that on friday
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: btw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/620662/ :)
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: that's the delta between yesterday's and today's alternate
[09:44] <pitti> a little bit of gnome cleanup, too
[09:44] <fta2> seb128, well, it's broken since ~ that date
[09:45] <seb128> fta2, well as said the new libnotify has an api break, the new() function dropped an argument
[09:45] <seb128> fta2, so it's likely the python clients need an update
[09:45] <micahg> seb128: is there a porting guide for the new libnotify?
[09:45] <seb128> but python doesn't have sonames so the transition doesn't happen in a smooth way as it does with C libs
[09:46] <didrocks> oh, shipping 5 xml compiz file for g-c-c instead of 2 is noticeable, fun :-)
[09:46] <seb128> micahg, "guide" no, there is the GNOME3 email I sent on the lists
[09:46] <micahg> seb128: ah, ok, will review that then
[09:46] <rodrigo_> didrocks, xml files for what?
[09:46] <seb128> micahg, it's basically dropping an argument from the new() call, not sure how much of a guide that required
[09:46] <didrocks> rodrigo_: files in /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/
[09:46] <rodrigo_> ah
[09:46] <didrocks> rodrigo_: we sed the metacity files for compiz and change the wm name
[09:47] <seb128> micahg, they also deprecated the function to position a bubble next to a systray or widget so if those are used they should just be dropped
[09:47] <didrocks> rodrigo_: as metacity split in 2.34 the file from 2 to 5, I did that yesterday for compiz as well
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:47] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[09:47] <pitti> I'm great, thanks!
[09:47] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks :)
[09:48] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so you could sleep a little longer again?
[09:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did your daughter stop getting teeth? :-)
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, my daughter has started sleeping in now
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, at-spi2 on the CD, great
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> but she is making up for it by waking up several times in the night instead ;)
[09:48] <seb128> so we should be very close of dropping the old libgnome, libbonobo etc
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:48] <seb128> well tomboy still keep part of it
[09:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, what about you?
[09:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks :)
[09:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, shame that you are getting sleep again just when you got a new coffee machine to help you deal with the no sleep issue :p
[09:50] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm glad i've got a coffee machine which doesn't leak all over the kitchen now :)
[09:50] <chrisccoulson> leaking coffee machine = wasted coffee ;)
[09:50] <seb128> hehe
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i keep having weird focus issues in oneiric :/
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> it's affecting more than just firefox now for some reason
[09:54] <rodrigo_> hey chrisccoulson
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:55] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, fine, although starting to get nervous, as I need to go to the dentist in a little bit :(
[09:55] <rodrigo_> but fine apart from that :)
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, oh, is that just for a regular appointment?
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> i hate the dentist too ;)
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> he removed one of my teeth for no reason!
[09:56] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, no, just a fix-me appointment :)
[09:56] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, ugh, really?
[09:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you figure when mono will get gsettings binding?
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, i had impacted lower wisdom teeth a few years ago, and my dentist suggested removing one of the top ones might help
[09:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, no, no answer back from allan
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> and he could remove the top one without me going in to hospital
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> but it made no difference and i ended up having to go to hospital to have the bottom ones removed anyway ;)
[09:57] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, ugh
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> so my dentist owes me a tooth! :)
[09:57] <rodrigo_> yeah, he should pay it back :)
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, what are you on working on this week btw? Just trying to figure where we stand for the remaining updates, it seems mostly stalled for some days
[09:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, working on the g-c-c related work items, but I can take some updates
[10:00]  * rodrigo_ looks at the versions page
[10:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, that's ok, there is no hurry on the remaining ones
[10:00] <seb128> I'm doing gnome-user-share
[10:01] <seb128> out of that yelp is the only easy one remaining it seems
[10:01] <rodrigo_> ok, will do some in idle times
[10:01] <seb128> we should probably build it with gtk3 rather than gtk2 as well
[10:01] <seb128> rodrigo_, don't bother, better to focus on one thing and we need the g-c-c work done as well ;-)
[10:01] <rodrigo_> ok :)
[10:11]  * pitti blames didrocks for using black magic for gdm's 30_don_t_save_failsafe_session.patch
[10:12] <didrocks> pitti: it's not black magic, it's code :-)
[10:12] <pitti> calling undefined functions is not something they taught me in the 3rd magic school grade yet!
[10:12] <didrocks> what? /me checks
[10:12] <pitti> I'm looking for get_session_comment_for_file()
[10:13] <pitti> none of our patches defines it, and it's not in gdm upstream's trunk nor gnome-2-32 branch
[10:13] <seb128> was it in on of the patches I dropped?
[10:13]  * didrocks bzr pull to latest version
[10:13] <pitti> ooh
[10:13] <pitti> nevermind, guys
[10:13] <pitti> r334
[10:13] <didrocks> ah see! :-)
[10:14] <didrocks> all blaming me without any reason \o/
[10:14]  * didrocks will cry in a corner :-)
[10:14]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[10:14]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[10:14] <rodrigo_> ok, dentist time, bbl
[10:14] <pitti> eww, good luck!
[10:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, good luck...
[10:15] <didrocks> yeah, my function was entirely removed in r334
[10:15] <didrocks> good luck rodrigo_!
[10:15] <seb128> didrocks, so it's not me \o/
[10:16] <didrocks> seb128: no, you're safe! ;-)
[10:29] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: your take on naming the additional split of compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main to add -addon? (compiz-plugins-addon and compiz-plugins-main-addon) ? (this is to avoid the confusion with compiz-plugins-extra which is in universe)
[10:29] <pitti> it's confusing either way :)
[10:29] <seb128> didrocks, what is the split about? just shipping by default what is activated?
[10:29] <didrocks> it will be :-)
[10:30] <didrocks> seb128: right
[10:30] <didrocks> and ccsm will recommends those
[10:30] <seb128> I would so add a -default rather which only ships the default
[10:30] <pitti> didrocks: so compiz-plugins (default), c-p-main-extra (binary splitout from main package), and c-p-extra (universe source/binary)?
[10:30] <seb128> and keep the old name for the other ones with a depends on -default
[10:31] <pitti> right, or c-p-default and and c-p
[10:31] <didrocks> so, compiz-plugins-default, compiz-plugins-main-default
[10:31] <didrocks> and the leftover in compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main
[10:31] <didrocks> + compiz-plugins-extra which we don't touch and already in universe
[10:31] <seb128> right
[10:31] <seb128> that would be my choice but I don't have a strong feeling, your call really
[10:32] <didrocks> ok, thanks for the suggestion seb128 and pitti :-)
[10:32] <didrocks> well, if I asked you, it's because I wasn't happy with -addon :-)
[10:32] <didrocks> your suggestion is better
[10:32] <seb128> great ;-)
[10:33] <seb128> it also means for those upgrading there is no change
[10:33] <didrocks> right
[10:33] <didrocks> and so ccsm will recommends compiz-plugins and compiz-plugins-main (and suggest c-p-extra)
[10:34] <seb128> correct
[10:34] <pitti> gdm_3.0.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb -- wohoo! (and with just two patches disabledv)
[10:34] <didrocks> nice :-)
[10:35] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[10:35] <pitti> -/var/lib/gdm/.gconf.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml
[10:35] <pitti> +/var/lib/gdm/.config/dconf
[10:35] <pitti> ah, so that's how that works now
[10:36] <pitti> it still has a gconf dependency and ./var/lib/gdm/.gconf.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml, though
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, we should copy the patches from debian
[10:37] <pitti> yeah, I'll merge with Debian as the next-next step (after porting the patches)
[10:37] <seb128> 91_dconf_override.patch
[10:37] <seb128> 92_gsettings_path.patch
[10:37] <pitti> they also have 3.0.4
[10:37] <seb128> right
[10:38] <pitti> brb
[10:38] <seb128> the naming difference is just annoying
[10:48] <lucidfox> I've been thinking of going through bugs in gnome-shell and closing as invalid those reported for unstable versions in PPAs and other unofficial sources
[10:48] <lucidfox> Sounds good?
[10:49] <pitti> lucidfox: for crashers etc., yes; if there are ones which are easy to check, like UI bugs for feature requests, these should be checked before closing, or left open IMHO
[10:56] <seb128> re
[10:56] <seb128> sorry got some issues after restart due to partial updates ;-)
[11:00] <kinoucho`> hi seb128, didrocks and fredp
[11:01] <seb128> lut kinoucho`
[11:01] <lucidfox> Hmmm
[11:02] <lucidfox> is it okay to close gnome-shell crashes on karmic?
[11:02] <lucidfox> karmic has reached end of life anyway
[11:02] <micahg> lucidfox: yes :)
[11:04] <TheMuso> didrocks: Still waiting on one more which I am chacing up, I want to have them to you by EOW.
[11:06] <didrocks> hey kinouchou
[11:06] <didrocks> TheMuso: ok, thanks :) if you don't have latest one by EOW, is it possible to start feeding the others first?
[11:06] <TheMuso> sure
[11:07] <didrocks> excellent
[11:16] <lucidfox> By the way, are there any plans to implement Ubuntu indicators in gnome-shell?
[11:17] <pitti> I thought the goal was to keep g-s as "vanilla" as possible?
[11:17] <lucidfox> not in upstream, obviously
[11:17] <lucidfox> hrm
[11:30] <pitti> yay, all gdm patches ported now
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> woot \o/
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> go pitti!
[11:30] <ogra_> to ldm ?
[11:30] <ogra_> :)
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:43] <pitti> seb128: still pondering to follow Debian in the gdm -> gdm3 renaming; much easier to merge then
[11:43] <seb128> pitti, do we care about merging?
[11:43] <pitti> seb128: asked the other way around, do we care of perpetually maintaining it ourselves?
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, we have a diff, we will never get in sync anyway
[11:44] <seb128> so we have to maintain it ourself
[11:44] <pitti> no, but we could reduce our delta, and then it's a lot easier than doing everything on our own
[11:44] <seb128> well the delta is low
[11:44] <pitti> diffing the two debian/s is useless right now
[11:45] <seb128> sed -i 's#gdm3#gdm#' debian
[11:45] <seb128> then diff
[11:45] <seb128> that's what I did the other day
[11:45] <pitti> and rename all the files
[11:45] <seb128> right
[11:45] <seb128> rename 's#gdm3#gdm#' debian
[11:45] <seb128> it's 2 commands
[11:45] <seb128> well I don't like much that they namespace they config dir in etc differently
[11:46] <seb128> it means we will have to migrate conffiles
[11:46] <seb128> it also breaks some other softwares that rely on the upstream naming
[11:46] <seb128> they->their
[11:47] <seb128> I would be fine renaming the binary but I would like to keep the files in /etc/gdm and names gdm.something
[11:47] <pitti> yeah, that sounds fine
[11:47] <seb128> or we can make /etc/gdm3 a symlink to /etc/gdm?
[11:48] <seb128> pitti, I talked to Josselin this week about it, he's fine renaming the source package back to gdm but he doesn't want to rename the binary in debian back to gdm
[11:49] <seb128> he said there is no migration path from gdm 2.20 to gdm3 so it should not be an upgrade but a package switch users decide to do
[11:49] <seb128> which is fair
[11:49] <pitti> hmm; that's no different to GNOME 3 at large, though
[11:50] <seb128> well, it's not likely they will rename the binary anyway, I just wanted to mention it
[11:50] <seb128> so if we want to lower the diff we should probably rename ours gdm3
[11:50] <seb128> in summary I'm fine renaming as long as we don't rename the etc dir, but symlink gdm3->gdm should work there
[11:50] <pitti> even with above s/gdm3/gdm/ the diff is still 34822 lines :/
[11:51] <pitti> I'd like to keep /etc/gdm as well
[11:51] <pitti> gdm and gdm3 conflict anyway
[11:51] <seb128> pitti, does that include patches?
[11:51] <pitti> yes
[11:51] <pitti> oh, and .svn stuff
[11:51] <pitti> 18900 lines without .svn
[11:52] <seb128> you can copy 91_dconf_override.patch and 92_gsettings_path.patch over
[11:52] <seb128> 04_fix_external_program_directories.patch has a libexec equivalent in debian iirc
[11:52] <seb128> pitti, well I think it you filter out the patches we have they don't have we should be down to a reasonable diff
[11:53] <pitti> right
[11:53] <pitti> I'll start on those first then
[11:53] <seb128> somebody should check with upstream if those plymouth integration patches are still needed
[11:53] <seb128> and if they are why they are not upstream, every distro use plymouth nowadays
[11:53] <pitti> 9300 lines without patches, of which a third is the changelog already
[11:54] <seb128> urg
[11:55] <seb128> pitti,  29 files changed, 340 insertions(+), 701 deletions(-)
[11:55] <seb128> is what I had after a rename 's#gdm3#gdm#' gdm* in the debian dir
[11:55] <seb128> and the equivalent sed
[11:56] <pitti> ah, and there's quite some debian/po-up/*.po noise
[11:56] <seb128> oh, I only diffed diff -Nu the debian dirs
[11:56] <pitti> which is half of the diff
[12:02] <lucidfox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/539305 <-- hmm, not sure what to do with this one
[12:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 539305 in gnome-shell "[Lucid] Regression: All Applications list is no longer hierarchical displayed" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:02] <lucidfox> it's basically a UI feature request that was implemented in the final release, but not implemented in Lucid (obviously)
[12:03] <seb128> close it saying it has been fixed in newer versions and that it the lucid GNOME was not ready for gnome-shell and that bugs will not be fixed there
[12:04] <seb128> it's not likely any fixes will be rolled for versions before GNOME3 so the bugs about all versions can be closed
[12:08] <lucidfox> Okay, and this brings us down to 20 new/53 open. Lots and lots of incomplete bugs asking to retest with the final 3.0.x release
[12:09] <lucidfox> (down from 56 new/~70 open)
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> ok, enigmail is testing my patience now :)
[12:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so you avoid working on desktop things to work on universe components?!
[12:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm responsible for enigmail ;)
[12:39] <seb128> why? it's in universe!
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, quite a lot of thunderbird users are using it
[12:42] <seb128> is that another reason to not make tb default?
[12:43] <seb128> ok I stop trolling and go back to work ;-)
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[12:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw joke aside would you be interested by working on gnome-screensaver this cycle to bring the hacks code back?
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, sure
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> i need to do some non-mozilla stuff to maintain sanity ;)
[12:46] <didrocks> do you still have any trace of sanity? :-)
[12:46] <seb128> well feel free to say no if you prefer to do something else, but you did some hacking on gnome-screensaver before
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:47] <seb128> we need a way to make it look like unity rather than gnome-shell I guess and we said at UDS we would bring the animations (or "hacks" or whatever they are called) back
[12:48] <seb128> (which might just be a "undo the commits that dropped that code")
[12:48] <seb128> well it's for sure not as trivial as reverting one commit they did quite some cleaning in a serie of patches
[12:48] <seb128> but the code from the 2.9x should still work
[12:49] <rodrigo_> hmm, in fact, I was expecting we stayed at 2.91.x, but we already have 3.0, which has the hacks removed
[12:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, we can shuffle the 2.91.n to 3.0 diff reversed in a patch if needed
[12:50] <rodrigo_> right
[13:00] <didrocks> so, win from the compiz split ~1.5MB
[13:02] <ogra_> didrocks, awesome, so we can add 15 100kb wallpapers now !
[13:02] <didrocks> ogra_: noooooooooooo :-)
[13:03] <didrocks> we can add 1/10th of thunderbird :p
[13:03]  * ogra_ votes for the addressbook then :)
[13:18] <fta2> cyphermox_, ping. just rebooted my oneiric box, NetworkManager trashed my resolv.conf
[13:20] <fta2> seb128, is metacity still used? got an apport after a reboot... (in fact, several)
[13:21] <seb128> fta2, dunno, you are asking the wrong person there
[13:21] <fta2> who should I ask?
[13:21] <seb128> it's used in unity-2d not 3d
[13:21] <fta2> i'm using 3d here
[13:21] <seb128> fta2, try didrocks
[13:22] <didrocks> fta2: hum, are you sure you are using unity-3d? metacity shouldn't start
[13:22] <didrocks> fta2: try to pgrep it
[13:23] <fta2> didrocks, i see compiz & various unity processes
[13:24] <fta2> it sure looks like 3d too
[13:24] <didrocks> fta2: so, no metacity? I think you started the classic session or unity-2d at some point and got the crash at this time
[13:24] <fta2> nope, no metacity
[13:24] <fta2> the crash is an assert
[13:24] <fta2>  #2  0x00007f5a85f5d51d in g_assertion_message (domain=<value optimized out>, file=<value optimized out>, line=<value optimized out>, func=0x479040 "meta_ui_get_default_window_icon", message=0xdb0150 "assertion failed: (default_icon)") at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.28.6/./glib/gtestutils.c:1358
[13:24] <fta2>          lstr = "754\000\377\177\000\000\225\247\016\210Z\177\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000ǂG\000\000\000\000"
[13:24] <fta2>          s = 0xdd8cf0 ""
[13:24] <fta2>  #3  0x00007f5a85f5dae0 in g_assertion_message_expr (domain=0x46b6bf "metacity", file=0x47827a "ui/ui.c", line=754, func=0x479040 "meta_ui_get_default_window_icon", expr=<value optimized out>) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.28.6/./glib/gtestutils.c:1369
[13:25] <didrocks> fta2: when did the crash happened?
[13:25] <fta2> i got 5 apport popups just after a reboot+login
[13:26] <fta2> incl desktopcouch-service and metacity
[13:26] <didrocks> fta2: right, but sometimes, the popups doesn't appear immediatly from my experiment
[13:26] <didrocks> hence the timestamp of the crash file will be useful to see when you used metacity
[13:26] <fta2> it's a fresh one
[13:27] <ogra_> the apport popup should really show a timestamp ;)
[13:27] <ogra_> application "blah" crashed a
[13:27] <didrocks> fta2: did you ever fallback to unity-2d?
[13:27] <ogra_> t 12pm
[13:27] <didrocks> I would be interested to know under what conditions metacity started
[13:28] <fta2> didrocks, i don't think so, it just booted fine, albeit slowly
[13:28] <didrocks> fta2: do you still have the crash file? what is its timestamp?
[13:29] <fta2> i'm sure it's fresh, because i have a script renaming the crash files, so i can collect several for a given process
[13:29] <fta2> i still have it
[13:29] <fta2> oh, it's metacity started by gdm
[13:29] <didrocks> ah, that's more interesting :)
[13:30] <didrocks> so yeah, makes sense then
[13:31] <fta2> but i didn't request that, i was using unity 3d (oneiric) before the reboot
[13:32] <didrocks> fta2: gdm is using metacity in the greeter
[13:32] <fta2> ok then
[13:32] <fta2> so it's crashing ;)
[13:32] <didrocks> not there, but it seems it can :-)
[13:32] <didrocks> well, I think we won't have a wm with lightdm
[13:33] <fta2> is lightdm already the default?
[13:33] <didrocks> fta2: since 1 hour, yeah :)
[13:35] <fta2> retrying...
[13:37] <ogra_> didrocks, omg, really ?
[13:37] <didrocks> ogra_: it's a full gnome session
[13:38] <ogra_> what ? lightdm ?
[13:39] <didrocks> ogra_: no, we are talking about gdm
[13:39] <didrocks> oh, the "omg" was about the switch?
[13:39] <ogra_> yes
[13:39] <didrocks> yeah, be prepared now! :-)
[13:40] <ogra_> i didnt manage a single successfull login with it yet
[13:40] <didrocks> time to annoy robert :-)
[13:50] <fta2> didrocks, same problem. it seems it just needs its icons back (at least the one on the bottom right corner of the gdm bar is missing)
[13:51] <didrocks> fta2: ok, would be nice if something works on it, I'm more stuck with a Qt issue right now
[13:51] <fta2> and n-m trashed my resolv.conf once again. i removed it
[13:52] <cyphermox_> fta2: if you explain what is broken I can offer guidance or fix it
[13:52] <fta2> a boot with an empty resolv.conf results in an empty & unusable black screen with just a mouse cursor
[13:52] <cyphermox_> but why is resolv.conf empty?
[13:53] <fta2> cyphermox_, how should i know? n-m is not even supposed to manage my network
[13:54] <fta2> cyphermox_, it replaced my custom resolv.conf with just "# Generated by NetworkManager"
[13:54] <zyga> mvo, hi, quick question
[13:54] <zyga> mvo, do we have any channel for reporting bugs on for-pay applications
[13:54] <fta2> cyphermox_, fortunately, it was easy to spot, and i also use etckeeper so i'm sure it didn't change anything else
[13:57] <ogra_> geez, the new screensaver unlock is really unintuitive
[13:57]  * ogra_ just had his screen lock for the first time in oneiric
[13:57] <kenvandine> ogra_, i agree
[13:57] <mvo> zyga: no official channel, what is the problem? you file a bug or a support request
[13:57] <ogra_> lightdm should manage that imho ;)
[13:58] <zyga> mvo, I'd like to report a bug on uplink but I don't know how
[13:58] <kenvandine> ogra_, that would make the most sense... and a familiar login screen
[13:58] <ogra_> yep
[14:00] <mvo> zyga: we used to have a requirement that there must be a launchpad project, let me inquire what happend to this
[14:05] <mvo> zyga: there is no official one currently, the only way is to talk to the publisher directly
[14:05] <zyga> mvo, right but that's not something an ordinary user can do
[14:06] <zyga> mvo, do you know if the apps are tested in any way?
[14:06] <zyga> mvo, my problem seems fundamental and makes the game totally unplayable
[14:07] <mvo> zyga: they get basic QA but not in depth - is it maybe a problem releated to the graphics (opengl?) or something different? if opengl it may just be a driver issue?
[14:08] <zyga> mvo, it's partially related to graphics, I'm on nvidia drivers, the problem is  that the game opens an unresizable, non-fullscreen window
[14:08] <zyga> mvo, and the size of the window is exactly the size of the display
[14:09] <zyga> mvo, so the bottom part (the part that is taken by unity panel) is invisible
[14:09] <zyga> mvo, unfortunately that's where this game puts all the controls in
[14:10] <zyga> mvo, it could be a fullscreen bug but I have no way to tell
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> w00t, enigmail works finally \o/
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> it *really* works this time :)
[14:32] <highvoltage> has it not been working at some point? I haven't noticed :)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> highvoltage, yes, since we udpated to the thunderbird beta
[14:34] <highvoltage> ah
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> i'm just about to upload the latest trunk version, but getting it working has been a pain
[14:51] <pitti> I need to run out for a bit, I hope I'll be back in time for the meeting
[14:51] <pitti> if not, can you please start without me?
[14:53] <didrocks> sure
[14:56] <seb128> ok
[14:59] <seb128> he said that we can slack and there is no meeting if he's not back right? ;-)
[14:59] <kenvandine> seb128, that is what i heard
[14:59] <kenvandine> :)
[14:59] <seb128> ;-)
[14:59] <seb128> which is the evo about box saying 3.0.0 when the package is 3.0.2?
[15:00] <kenvandine> seb128, speaking of evo, i was just swearing at it... hangs right when i need to look up a conf # for a meeting... damn it!
[15:10] <lucidfox> I want to report a crash in gnome-shell - how do I generate the stacktrace and dumps and such after I've reproduced the crash?
[15:11] <seb128> lucidfox, check on the GNOME wiki I guess
[15:12] <seb128> lucidfox, you better reportbugs upstream or to debian, the package is coming from debian and nobody is working on the launchpad bugs
[15:12] <lucidfox> no, not upstream - to Launchpad
[15:12] <lucidfox> ahh
[15:12] <lucidfox> I'm not sure the problem isn't Ubuntu-specific, though
[15:12] <seb128> well upstream probably has instructions on how to report an useful bug
[15:13] <seb128> use those and report a bug on launchpad
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> we should hook JS exceptions in to apport ;)
[15:13] <seb128> then wait if somebody one day show up with interest to look at those ;-)
[15:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you just volunteer? ;-)
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> heh
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> it can't be that difficult can it? how do we do it for python?
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> i could probably have a look if we think it's worth it. is there anything other than gnome-shell that uses it?
[15:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not sure, they have been talking to do it for mono and I don't think they ever did
[15:16] <seb128> it might require something from the runtime side, pitti would know better
[15:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, I would say it's useful but for g-s which is in universe so it probably comes after other work on your list ;-)
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> and i've got plenty of work on my list ;)
[15:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but feel free to pick it up as an after work project if you like I guess ;-)
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> mmmmm, more coffee
[15:30] <rodrigo_> hmm, gsettings-desktop-schemas is a lp:ubuntu... branch, so no need to push, right? it will be imported with the upload, right?
[15:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, correct
[15:30] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:31] <seb128> it's a bit inconsistent now but for small sources which are sometimes in sync with debian it's easier to use lp:ubuntu than to deal the vcs and control update etc
[15:31] <rodrigo_> yes
[15:32] <seb128> hum, iz didrocks bog!!
[15:32] <didrocks> no, I have no bug :-)
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, new installed softwares are not in the alt-f2 unity dialog but they are in the dash one and in the lens
[15:32] <seb128> you likely miss an update event somewhere
[15:33] <didrocks> seb128: oh sure, I already have a bug about it that I openeded
[15:33] <didrocks> opened*
[15:39] <didrocks> hum, is it meeting time?
[15:40] <seb128> didrocks, reminder says 15:30 utc which is in 50 minutes
[15:40] <seb128> but I never now if it's now or one hour later... ;-)
[15:40] <didrocks> argh, scrap an hour :-)
[15:40] <seb128> know
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, your clock is fast ;)
[15:41] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: well, not when rebuilding Qt… :p
[15:41] <seb128> didrocks, I had to build webkit, I opted for the ppa (ab)use ;-)
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, perhaps it's 23 hours and 10 minutes behind rather than being 50 minutes fast ;)
[15:42] <didrocks> seb128: right, but I try to build several versions in // and I don't want to create tons of ppa :)
[15:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> i've just had to remove one really angry bee from my room
[15:50] <rodrigo_> ugh, no upload rights for gsettings-desktop-schemas
[15:50] <seb128> cjwatson, ^ can you add it to the desktop set?
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, or drop cjwatson an email
[15:51] <seb128> so he can deal with it later
[15:51] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, wait for pitti to be back he knows the magic to give you rights in a temporary way
[15:52] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:53] <rodrigo_> pitti, ping me when you're back :)
[15:55] <Laney> any TB member can add packages to the set
[15:56] <rodrigo_> TB = Thunderbird? :)
[15:56] <Laney> ;)
[15:57] <seb128> which bring us back to pitti or cjwatson basically from people who are around :p
[15:57] <rodrigo_> no, seriously, what does TB stand for?
[15:57] <Laney> technical board
[15:57] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:58] <highvoltage> ~/win 22
[15:58] <seb128> kklimonda^, hi, do you have any plan to update transmission?
[16:21] <seb128> ok, meeting in 9 minutes
[16:22] <fta> pitti, hi, did you have time to look at the multi-arch issue with apport-retrace?
[16:24] <pitti> re
[16:24] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting reminder in 5 mins
[16:25] <cyphermox> o/
[16:25] <didrocks> hey
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, wb
[16:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, the runtime would need to write an apport-style file into /var/crash/
[16:26]  * kenvandine waves
[16:26]  * pedro_ waves
[16:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: or call e. g. /usr/share/apport/js_crash (which can use python-apport) and feed it some data
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, that sounds easy enough
[16:26] <pitti> rodrigo_: you still need to mail cjwatson
[16:26] <rodrigo_> o/
[16:26] <rodrigo_> pitti, already mailed him, so done :)
[16:27] <pitti> rodrigo_: what's your LP id?
[16:27] <rodrigo_> pitti, rodrigo-moya
[16:27] <pitti> rodrigo_: done
[16:28] <rodrigo_> ok, thanks!
[16:28]  * rodrigo_ uploads
[16:28] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:29]  * pitti hugs didrocks and buys him 1.5 beer (for saved MBs)
[16:30] <Laney> pitti: couldn't you just add it to the set? (since you are in the team which owns that set)
[16:30] <pitti> Laney: same result -- the set is autogenerated, so it won't stick
[16:30] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting time
[16:30] <mterry> heyo
[16:30] <Laney> oh, it is?
[16:30] <Laney> didn't know that
[16:31]  * tremolux waves
[16:31]  * Laney stops interrupting
[16:31] <rodrigo_> hi all
[16:31]  * didrocks hugs pitti back and start counting how many he has to buy to Martin for the number of saved MBs :)
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> hello everybody :)
[16:31] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-07
[16:31] <tkamppeter> Everyone has printed from his iPhone?
[16:31] <pitti> -ENOIPHONE
[16:31] <pitti> can I print from android?
[16:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: nice fixes!
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, do i have to buy you a beer for every MB i consume with tbird?
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> you're going to be getting very, very drunk
[16:31] <pitti> now THAT sounds like a balanced budget!
[16:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, unfortunately only with an app.
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:31] <kenvandine> :)
[16:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh, it's tbird, so it's more than a 1 ratio! :)
[16:31] <seb128> what do I need to do to get people being me beers? ;-)
[16:32] <pitti> clean GTK 2 :)
[16:32] <pitti> anyway, let's start
[16:32] <pitti> kenvandine: anything new from partner?
[16:32] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:32] <kenvandine> from DX
[16:32] <kenvandine> gtk2themeshim will land next week, this provides a gtk2 theme based on a gtk3 so we only need to manage a single theme
[16:32] <pitti> oh, it's in the wiki
[16:32] <kenvandine> yup :)
[16:33] <pitti> oh, nice!
[16:33] <pitti> a CSS theme interpreter for GTK 2?
[16:33] <kenvandine> and tedg is going to spend some quality time with LP to get all the gtk3 ports mterry did merged
[16:33] <kenvandine> something like that
[16:33] <pitti> are any indicators still missing which need help?
[16:33] <pitti> missing -> need to be ported, I mean
[16:33] <kenvandine> i think datetime
[16:34] <kenvandine> and the applet
[16:34] <kenvandine> i should put together a list of what is done and what needs to be done :)
[16:34] <mterry> appmenu, blocking on wnck debian packaging issues
[16:34] <rodrigo_> also, vino indicator patch needs porting, but that's not indicators themselves
[16:34] <seb128> indicator-applets as well, I had a look but there was a first patch from mterry that needed to be reviewed and merged then there is some gtkstyle hacks to clean
[16:34] <seb128> mterry, ok, let's not bother about that just move the wnckprop in the libwnck3
[16:34] <pitti> mterry: oh, anything we should fix in Debian libwnck then?
[16:35] <mterry> pitti, yes.  libwnck-3-dev ships wnckprop as does libwnck-dev, so both can't be installed at once
[16:35] <mterry> I filed a bug, but wasn't sure how maintainers wanted to deal with it, so didn't file a patch
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, we should just move it to libexec or something
[16:35] <pitti> ah, but we need to, so that we can build both indicator variants from one source, I guess
[16:35] <mterry> pitti, right
[16:35] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:35] <pitti> ok, let's discuss after meeting
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, it's a debug helper, not something for users
[16:35] <mterry> this was actually blocking a gtk3 port of libbamf, which appmenu needs
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, right, let's sort that after the meeting
[16:36] <pitti> kenvandine: how did the telepathy indicator shim go?
[16:36] <kenvandine> that is all i have, no update on U1 right now
[16:36] <pitti> I saw the package land
[16:36] <kenvandine> yes
[16:36] <kenvandine> it provides most of the functionality we had before
[16:36] <kenvandine> not quite done with it
[16:36] <pitti> but nice to see it land at last
[16:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:37] <kenvandine> dropped those huge patches from empathy :)
[16:37] <pitti> you already did?
[16:37] <kenvandine> pitti, i gave up on vala for it, and rewrote it in C
[16:37] <kenvandine> yes
[16:37] <pitti> sweet
[16:37] <pitti> ok, thanks
[16:37] <pitti> didrocks: thanks for the unity wiki update; anything to discuss from your side?
[16:38] <didrocks> nothing special in addition to what is on the wiki
[16:38] <didrocks> which is: please, test the SRU if you have a natty box
[16:38] <didrocks> and I suffer with Qt :-)
[16:38] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:39] <pitti> didrocks: the fun with g++ 4.6?
[16:39] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, depending on the definition of "fun" :-)
[16:39] <didrocks> I put great hope in my current rebuild on rebuild on rebuild from my ppa :-)
[16:39] <pitti> crossing fingers!
[16:40] <didrocks> but upstream is reactive, so should be fine
[16:40] <pitti> tremolux: what's the word on s-c?
[16:40] <tremolux> heyo
[16:40] <tremolux> well, lots of small things in this week's release
[16:40] <pitti> I see you have quite a number of big WIs for alpha-2 on it
[16:41] <tremolux> yeah
[16:41] <pitti> do you think it's realistic, i. e. do you actually have time to work on them, or are you busy with fixing non-WI stuff?
[16:41] <tremolux> this may change I think, also because we will be getting new UI design requirements in about 3 weeks
[16:42] <tremolux> I think I'm going to have to check priorities on those
[16:42] <tremolux> the WIs I mean
[16:42] <pitti> oh, does that mean we should move the a2 WIs to a later point, and do something UI agnostic first?
[16:42] <tremolux> yes, maybe the UI-specific ones
[16:42] <tremolux> makes sense
[16:43] <pitti> want to do that yourself? you probably have a better idea what's prone to change and what not?
[16:43] <tremolux> yep, I will
[16:43] <pitti> thanks
[16:43] <tremolux> sure...oh, on thing
[16:44] <pitti> you, didrocks, and chrisccoulson have the most/biggest WIs for alpha-2
[16:44] <tremolux> there is a task for enhancing the Unity launcher integration
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:44] <tremolux> (I wanted to make sure didrocks knows)
[16:44] <tremolux> but we can talk about that  :)
[16:44] <didrocks> tremolux: thanks for working on this! :-)
[16:45] <didrocks> (and good luck, not an easy task)
[16:45] <pitti> mterry also has a lot, but these look comparatively small and realistic <- mterry, check?
[16:45] <tremolux> hehe
[16:45] <mterry> pitti, yeah I believe so
[16:45] <mterry> pitti, I can do a recheck this week
[16:45] <pitti> mterry: is your main blocker the MIR?
[16:46] <mterry> pitti, for deja-dup?  No, the main blocker is largely waiting for duplicity to release with my Ubuntu One backend
[16:46] <pitti> ah
[16:46] <mterry> Though I suppose I could distro patch it; upstream said they would take it
[16:47] <mterry> I'm giving them another week, since that's when I'll do another DD release anyway.  I can distro patch if it hasn't landed by then
[16:48] <pitti> ok, sounds good
[16:49] <pitti> chrisccoulson: should we discuss TB/downsizing here, or will that be discussed in tomorrow's meeting?
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - we can wait until tomorrow
[16:49] <pitti> ok
[16:49] <pitti> this is probably the biggest A2 spec
[16:50] <pitti> well, at least your first one on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-2.html#chrisccoulson is done, I think :)
[16:50] <pitti> AOB?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i should close that one :)
[16:51] <rodrigo_> yes, when do we plan to start uploading gnome 3.1.x?
[16:51] <rodrigo_> after A2?
[16:51] <pitti> good point, I was about to ask the same
[16:51] <pitti> could we already start with glib 2.9 and gtk 3.1?
[16:51] <pitti> seb128: ^
[16:51] <pitti> or do you think it's too early?
[16:52] <rodrigo_> I think it should be ok, no big changes in neither of them, afaik
[16:52] <seb128> hum
[16:52] <rodrigo_> big changes = incompatibilies
[16:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, the issue is not changes it's to keep with bi-weekly updates
[16:52] <seb128> we spend lot of time to do every point updates when we start early and that cut in time we have for workitems
[16:52] <rodrigo_> yes, but it'll give us time to rebase again, if needed, our patches
[16:52] <seb128> but I did plan to start looking at glib 2.29 this week
[16:52] <rodrigo_> yes, right
[16:53] <seb128> we could start with the stack for sure
[16:53] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the issue is not patches rebasing, it's doing a stack of point updates, building, testing etc every 2 or 3 weeks
[16:53] <seb128> it usually cost 2 days full for 2 or 3 people
[16:53] <seb128> but agreed we can start slowly on it
[16:53] <seb128> http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/
[16:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, so maybe we could just wait for 3.1.2, do the 1st upload, and then wait for 2 releases?
[16:54] <pitti> or just update the platform libraries, and keep the apps for now?
[16:55] <pitti> it might be better to do the theme development etc. with gtk 3.1
[16:55] <rodrigo_> yes
[16:55] <seb128> right
[16:55] <rodrigo_> also, some stuff in WI is only in 3.1, like the NTP stuff
[16:55] <rodrigo_> in g-s-d
[16:55] <seb128> 3.1.2 seems a good one to start but let's not force ourself to update everything just because there is a tarball maybe
[16:55] <rodrigo_> but yes, starting with the stack is better :)
[16:55] <seb128> let's update things we have interest in
[16:55] <pitti> *nod*
[16:56] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:56] <seb128> I will have a look to glib 2.29 tomorrow
[16:56] <pitti> no need to do the threadmill with every gnome-panel version etc.
[16:56] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:56] <seb128> that will be needed for gtk 3.1 and it will need some packaging change for the gdbus utilities that landed
[16:56] <seb128> I would like to get it in debian as well if possible
[16:57] <seb128> sounds fine for everybody?
[16:57] <pitti> right, stuff like gdbus-code-gen becomes a blocker
[16:57] <seb128> the things we will need most next is the indicator stack on gtk3
[16:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, sounds great for me
[16:57] <seb128> but dx and mterry and some others are working on that
[16:58] <seb128> well it's not technically breaking anything, gnome-panel works without indicator but it would be nice to get those so unity is not blocked on another transition if they want to switch
[17:00] <pitti> ok, thanks everyone
[17:00] <seb128> pitti, back to you?
[17:00] <pitti> sounds like a wrap?
[17:00] <seb128> it does ;-)
[17:00] <seb128> thanks
[17:00] <kenvandine> yup
[17:01] <tremolux> thanks everybody
[17:01] <didrocks> thanks
[17:04] <seb128> pitti, mterry: so libwnck-dev, libwnck3-dev is pretty trivial, we should just move wnckprop out of the path or version the binary name, I've no strong opinion either way it's an utility for debugging
[17:05] <pitti> is there any chance that other projects rely on the path or name?
[17:05] <pitti> /usr/bin/wnck3prop seems easy enough
[17:05] <mterry> seb128, yeah, I don't care either.  Versioning it seems easy enough
[17:05] <mterry> We should probably tell upstream so they can version it themselves at some point
[17:05] <seb128> vuntz, ^
[17:05] <seb128> mterry, done :p
[17:06] <mterry> I can make that change in ubuntu, but it's a debian thing too
[17:06] <pitti> similar to gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0
[17:06] <seb128> let's discuss it on #debian-gnome oftc
[17:07] <pitti> mterry: we aren't in sync right now anyway, so if you want to go ahead and patch it in ~ubuntu-desktop/libwnck/ubuntu, please do; I'm happy to commit it to Debian, too
[17:07] <mterry> pitti, OK
[17:07] <seb128> pitti, we are for libwnck3
[17:07] <pitti> oh, separate source, right
[17:07] <mterry> ah
[17:07] <seb128> but yeah maybe we should rename the old one since we have a diff anyway and it's the deprecated one
[17:07] <seb128> so we can keep the "right' name for the current one
[17:07] <pitti> do we even need the 2.0 wnckprop?
[17:08] <pitti> we could just drop it and version the conflicts
[17:08] <seb128> pitti, no, I don't think so, it was added in some recent cycle and it's only a debugging thing
[17:08] <pitti> it doesn't seem like a tool where you need multiple versions of
[17:08] <mterry> shouldn't give different results
[17:08] <seb128> having one version is enough
[17:08] <pitti> mterry: that's what I thought
[17:08] <seb128> we probably don't want to debug on old libs anyway
[17:08] <mterry> OK, so I can drop it from our libwnck and fix up the conflicts
[17:09] <mterry> But Debian may be interested in same change anyway
[17:09] <pitti> yes, we should do it in Debian
[17:09] <seb128> mterry, right, I'm mentioning it on #debian-gnome see what they think
[17:09] <pitti> and then merge libwnck
[17:10]  * pitti goes back on beating up gdm then
[17:10] <pitti> just got ack for committing another patch upstream
[17:11] <seb128> pitti, let me know if you need help on gdm testing or patch porting
[17:11] <pitti> seb128: not yet; going ok for now, just a ton of work :)
[17:11] <seb128> I'm done with gnome-user-share epiphany-browser and webkit updates I had on my list
[17:11] <pitti> seb128: do you want to sort out the libwnck issue?
[17:11] <seb128> pitti, can do
[17:11] <pitti> ok, cool
[17:12] <seb128> well mterry suggested dropping the libwnck-dev wnckprop for now so maybe let's do that to unblock
[17:12] <seb128> we can reshuffle when the debian guys reply
[17:12] <rodrigo_> bbl
[17:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop selling your email clients! :-)
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> i was just pointing out that conversations view already exists for thunderbird, and will probably be the default at some point ;)
[17:31] <didrocks> seb128: he just wants more work it seems
[17:31] <didrocks> it exists in anjali :-)
[17:32] <seb128> hum, I still wonder why I argue, less work for desktop if we switch ;-)
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i haven't tried it in anjali. is it as good as thunderbirds conversation view? ;)
[17:33] <mterry> chrisccoulson, how do I enable conversation view?  Is it still an extension?
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> mterry, yeah, it's https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/
[17:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can only be best, I didn't see thunderbird one but I have strong and biased opinions :)
[17:35] <mterry> nice
[17:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: this will be available y default?
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that's the impression i got from talking to mike and blake at UDS. they certainly want it merged in to the tree
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> and everyone agrees that it's awesome  ;)
[17:37] <didrocks> excellent :-)
[17:49] <didrocks> hum, Qt build with some compiler option removed -> still fail
[17:51] <matttbe> Hello,
[17:51] <matttbe> I'm want to report a bug that a friend has because he is using the Gnome3 ppa and it seems we have to report the bug here.
[17:52] <matttbe> GThumb doesn't work if we are using the Gnome3 ppa on Natty because GThumb needs libbrasero-media but this librairy now uses GTK3 and GThumb is still not compatible with it.
[17:52] <matttbe> This bug has been reported and fixed on Ubuntu Oneiric (LP: #793438) but don't hesitate to integrate this version on the Gnome3 ppa.
[17:52] <matttbe> https://launchpad.net/bugs/793438
[17:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 793438 in gthumb "[Oneiric] Gthumb needs libbrasero-media1 which is no longuer available" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:52] <matttbe> If you want, you can use my GThumb package (which has been integrated on Oneiric and I used packages from Gnome3 ppa as dependences) => https://launchpad.net/~matttbe/+archive/experimental/+copy-packages
[17:55] <seb128> matttbe, thanks, but I don't think we want the ppa to turn in an oneiric copy, the fact that we would solve those integration issues before natty is why we decided to use a ppa and not put GNOME3 in natty
[17:56] <seb128> we appreciate the efforts but the recommended way are either to use 2.32 on natty or to upgrade to oneiric
[17:57] <matttbe> seb128, yes, you do what you want with your Gnome3 ppa ;)
[17:57] <matttbe> I mostly wanted to report the fact that GThumb doesn't work if we are using your ppa.
[17:58] <seb128> matttbe, thanks
[19:03] <LinSkyrate> i have messed up my apache default config (apache2) in Ubuntu 8
[19:03] <LinSkyrate> some trick to fix that?
[19:03] <LinSkyrate> restore original f.eks
[19:06] <micahg> LinSkyrate: you probably want #ubuntu-server
[19:06] <LinSkyrate> hmm
[19:06] <LinSkyrate> its ubuntu-server
[19:06] <LinSkyrate> im installing ulteo and need to use ver 8
[19:07] <micahg> LinSkyrate: I was referring to the IRC channel, you're in #ubuntu-desktop
[19:09] <seb128> hum, hate when my cpu fan is spinning and the load is over 1 with nothing showing up in top or iotop or in ps ax diffs
[19:09] <seb128> how other people debug those? ;-)
[19:09] <jcastro> hey seb128
[19:09] <seb128> (the ps ax would be to spot a process going down and up again every second or so)
[19:09] <seb128> hey jcastro
[19:09] <jcastro> when launching banshee I get like a 3 second blank grey banshee window, and then it paints
[19:09] <jcastro> do you see anything like that?
[19:09] <seb128> dunno, I use rhythmbox
[19:10] <seb128> but others on the channel can probably reply to you ;-)
[19:10] <kenvandine> jcastro, yes
[19:10] <czajkowski> kenvandine: is there a way to make gwibber refresh faster than hitting refresh, min time is 5 mins, seems very long compared to web twitter or tweetdeck ?
[19:11] <kenvandine> those are using the twitter live stream
[19:11] <kenvandine> if we refresh more often, it causes problems... at least with the current design
[19:11] <czajkowski> ah ok
[19:11] <kenvandine> we might be able to get the twitter live feed for oneiric
[19:12] <kenvandine> no promises :)
[19:12] <czajkowski> 5 mins just feels like an age
[19:12]  * kenvandine actually prefers 15m :)
[19:13] <kenvandine> jcastro, i think that is relative to your library, i seem to recall it loading it instantly in a guest session
[19:13] <jcastro> kenvandine: that can't be right I only have like 3k songs.
[19:13] <kenvandine> that is a lot more than 0
[19:14] <kenvandine> :)
[19:14] <kenvandine> this isn't new behavior though, natty has it too
[19:18] <mterry> TheMuso, is ldtp working in oneiric?  it wants to remove python-pyatspi2
[19:31] <seb128> ok, that's driving me nuts
[19:31] <seb128> what's creating load and no using cpu or io?!
[19:32] <walters_> seb128: what version of linux?
[19:32] <walters_> 3.0-rc1 ish?
[19:33] <seb128> walters: no, 2.6.38
[19:34] <walters_> i saw https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/30/22 go by recently
[19:34] <seb128> thanks, not likely it but that's interesting ;-)
[20:17] <pitti> good night everyone!
[20:18] <didrocks> good night pitti
[20:28] <mterry> TheMuso, OK, apparently ldtp2 can handle at-spi2 just fine, it's merely a packaging bug that they don't install together right now.  But now I'm curious how to start at-spi along with unity's session
[20:55] <czajkowski> daft question has anyone seen when running unity (2d in this case) where the update manager pops up with stuff to update but then hangs there and when you click install updates does diddly squat ?
[21:09] <seb128> re
[21:09] <seb128> kenvandine, could you check what ubuntu-artwork gconf-defaults key should be converted to gsettings-override when you have some time?
[21:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you didn't sponsor much yesterday, you should review https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/evolution-exchange/3.0.2-0ubuntu1/+merge/63032 as well ;-)
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> heh, my patch-pilot days always occur when i've got a dozen other things to do as well ;)
[21:10] <seb128> cyphermox, just noticed that you updated it, you should probably request review from ubuntu-desktop (so it shows up on the versions list) and ubuntu-sponsors when you do request sponsoring
[21:11] <seb128> emails are easy to not read but those teams are used to build the webpages we use
[21:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is there any day when you don't have things to do? ;-)
[21:12] <seb128> smspillaz, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/oneiric/compiz-plugins-main/fix-793897/+merge/63657 seems trivial to review
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, nope ;)
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> i can review that merge though
[21:12] <seb128> heh, I guessed so ;-)
[21:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[21:13] <didrocks> seb128: I pinged smspillaz already about it. I want that upstream an not carry a distro patch
[21:13] <seb128> smspillaz, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~kzmd/ubuntu/natty/compiz-plugins-main/popup-delay-fix-772177/+merge/63536 as well
[21:13] <seb128> didrocks, you should so the "Request another review" and add sam for those ;-)
[21:13] <didrocks> seb128: do you want me to commit the second one? :)
[21:14] <didrocks> not sure you will like it :p
[21:14] <didrocks> I remember having seen that one, didn't answer on this
[21:14] <seb128> didrocks, no, I want it out of the sponsoring queue with a comment if we can ;-)
[21:14] <cyphermox> seb128: got it
[21:14] <seb128> didrocks, before somebody else find it trivial and apply and upload
[21:15] <seb128> (which will happen it if sits there)
[21:15] <seb128> didrocks, i.e if it's wrong just put it as work in progress or rejected
[21:15] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I totally missed that one :)
[21:15] <didrocks> saw it, didn't answer, sorry
[21:16] <cyphermox> didrocks: your qt4-x11 build is getting to the point where it's using all of the cpu on my laptop ;)
[21:16] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[21:16] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[21:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: I warned you it's intensive :)
[21:18] <cyphermox> you did.
[21:18] <cyphermox> I switched to another system ;)
[21:19] <cyphermox> I should make my buildd know about sid; I could have shipped the build there and forgotten about it
[21:22] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, that was why I asked you that, I thought you would build in your buildd
[21:22] <cyphermox> ahh
[21:22] <cyphermox> all I had was a pbuilder chroot ready, on a different system
[21:23] <didrocks> ok, no worry as long as it's soon finished :)
[21:23] <cyphermox> once it's done I'll copy the tarball over and write the embroidery so it works properly ;)
[21:23] <didrocks> heh :)
[21:25] <cyphermox> didrocks: is there a decent chance a build on sid will actually work any better ? :P
[21:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: different gcc parameters
[21:25] <didrocks> so yeah
[21:25] <cyphermox> ah, right
[21:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: basically, one it's built, install it on your box
[21:25] <didrocks> then unity-2d-places (wait 10s so that it's loaded)
[21:26] <didrocks> on another terminal unity-2d-panel
[21:26] <didrocks> click on the ubuntu icon
[21:26] <didrocks> and check that the dash appears and unity-2d-places don't segfault
[21:26] <cyphermox> is this all already seeded into ubuntu-desktop or do I need to install unity-2d?
[21:26] <didrocks> it's seeded, so you should have it :)
[21:36] <fta> seb128, bug 683959 ?
[21:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683959 in linux "unexpected load with 0% CPU and no activity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683959
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> right, just moving downstairs and then i will review/sponsor evo-exchange
[22:01] <rojanu> Hi, I have dual monitor, when launching firefox on secondary monitor it can not be maximised as there is no top panel, any ideas?
[22:24] <broder> grr. it seems that when nvidia updated the 173 driver for x 1.10, they broke the xinerama protocol