[12:03] <NRWlion> hi there
[12:05] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha NRWlion
[12:05] <NRWlion> the man who is always there
[12:05] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif:
[12:05] <NRWlion> :D
[12:05] <NRWlion> hoe gaat die?
[12:05] <MrChrisDruif> Not always
[12:05] <MrChrisDruif> Pretty good
[12:05] <NRWlion> sounds great
[12:06] <NRWlion> i have some stress (work) to finish by tonight
[12:06] <NRWlion> so i am away now
[12:06] <MrChrisDruif> Well....GET TO IT!
[12:06] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[12:06] <NRWlion> just checking if akgraner had some new
[12:06] <NRWlion> s
[12:36] <NRWlion> hi matt!
[12:47] <ghoulmann> akgraner: sorry I missed you! left my client on at work all night, which was misleading. I'll be on day today.
[12:49] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: hi there ;)
[12:50] <ghoulmann> greetings, good to see you
[12:53] <NRWlion> vice versa ;)
[12:53] <NRWlion> how are things?
[12:53] <NRWlion> btw. MrChrisDruif you are allowed to participate in this convo ;) no lurking :P
[12:54] <MrChrisDruif> Where, what?
[12:54] <ghoulmann> NRWlion: so far so good, but it's still earlier and all could still go to hell :) I teach, so every day is an adventure and a stand up routine.
[12:55] <MrChrisDruif> What do you wanna talk about NRWlion ?
[12:57] <ghoulmann> i think i have a substantive question - what does the publication use as a style guide?
[13:02] <ghoulmann> ...that is, to where does it turn for matters of conventional grammar, usage?
[13:06] <Pendulum> ghoulmann: American English
[13:06] <Pendulum> I'm not sure we've ever gotten more specific than that, but usually I do stuff based off Chicago Manual of Style (mostly because that's what we used when I was working in publishing)
[13:09] <ghoulmann> ok. i'm happy with any, as long as there's consistency.
[13:09] <ghoulmann> Pendulum: thanks for the response
[13:12] <Pendulum> the big thing is American English
[13:12] <ghoulmann> ok, i'm set there.
[13:13] <Pendulum> otherwise I think I've been the final proofreader on several issues and I don't always think specifically for a style guide, just make sure it's consistant
[13:14] <ghoulmann> that's my priority as well. But when there's an inconsistency, it's nice to be able to appeal to single authority, regardless how arbitrary.
[13:18] <Pendulum> :)
[13:18]  * NRWlion waits for a response on his proposal to the list until he is able to continue work
[13:18] <Pendulum> also, we don't correct spelling/punctuation mistakes inside quotations usually
[13:31] <NRWlion> ok now i know where i never would like to work inside this team ... proofreading cause my english is bad as hell regarding spelling & punctuation
[13:41] <ghoulmann> NRWlion: I teach rhetoric and comp. The last thing I want to do is correct petty errors unless they cause confusion. I prefer substantive revision and contributing to editorial decisions, but I have broad skills and a commitment, so I'll work toward being an asset in any way I'm useful.
[13:43] <Pendulum> heh
[13:43] <Pendulum> ghoulmann: where do you teach?
[13:46] <ghoulmann> a high school in maryland, Prior at WVU and Bethany College.
[13:47] <ghoulmann> literature primarily, but also advanced tech and writing.
[13:48] <Pendulum> nice :)
[13:49]  * Pendulum will be spending some time in Maryland later this summer
[13:49] <ghoulmann> it is nice to go to work happy.
[13:49] <ghoulmann> Pendulum: let me know if you need a couch or a ride.
[13:50] <Pendulum> heh. I'll be down for surgery so will probably be in hospital for about 1/2 of it
[13:50] <ghoulmann> eeg.
[13:50] <Pendulum> but one of my other specialists is also in MD so I'm down every 6 months or so anyway
[13:51] <Pendulum> I'm thinking pre-surgery I might try to hold an Ubuntu Hour if I can get the MD LoCo interested
[13:51] <ghoulmann> they are great.
[13:51] <Pendulum> since when I was down last month I went to a DC LoCo meetup
[13:51] <ghoulmann> much more active than dc loco, from what i can tell
[13:51] <Pendulum> (I stayed with maco for part of my time down last month)
[13:52] <ghoulmann> cool. i don't see much action from dc, but a lot of pr and marketing from MD.
[13:52] <Pendulum> *nods*
[13:52] <ghoulmann> i'm trying to get 12.04 release party hosted at my school.
[13:53] <Pendulum> :)
[13:53] <Pendulum> not 11.10?
[13:54] <MrChrisDruif> 12.04? That's next year
[13:55] <ghoulmann> confused and hasty. I expect the next release to be during summer (without figuring it out. too hasty, yes 11.10
[13:55] <ghoulmann> !s/expect/expected/
[13:55] <Pendulum> s'ok
[13:55] <Pendulum> releases are every 6 months :)
[13:55] <Pendulum> so April and October
[13:55] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[13:55] <Pendulum> (with the exception of Dapper which was delayed until June when it came out, but that was before my time)
[13:55]  * ghoulmann nods
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> Before any of use /me thinks
[17:14] <NRWlion> aloha
[18:30] <pleia2> akgraner: did you submit an rt ticket about the caching problems on ubuntu-news.org? I didn't see anything go to the editor account
[18:30] <pleia2> I can submit the ticket if needed
[18:32] <pleia2> it's really bad :\
[18:37] <nhandler> pleia2: What is getting cached?
[18:38] <pleia2> nhandler: I never see new posts when I go to ubuntu-news.org (and www.ubuntu-news.org is even worse)
[18:38] <pleia2> I have to refresh a bunch of times, even then it doesn't always work
[18:38] <pleia2> different browsers, different computers, akgraner said she saw similar behavior
[18:38] <nhandler> pleia2: Ah, ok. I clear my cache rather frequently, so I haven't noticed.
[18:40] <pleia2> even on a browser I've never gone to it on I get the ubuntu open week post from a month ago as the top post, nothing recent
[18:41] <pleia2> you're not seeing this behavior at all?
[18:41] <nhandler> Nope. I get jcastro's recent unity post
[18:42] <pleia2> I can't see that at all :(
[18:42]  * nhandler makes a note that we need to finalize some content guidelines for the fridge still
[18:43] <pleia2> all I see is the latest ocelot post
[18:45] <pleia2> I can see it if I go to the direct url though
[18:46] <pleia2> 10:41:35 <&pleia2> can someone go to ubuntu-news.org and tell me the top post they see?
[18:46] <pleia2> 10:45:55 <@jedijf> Ubuntu Open Week: May 2-6 2011
[18:46] <pleia2> 10:46:02 < jamalta> pleia2: open week
[18:46] <pleia2> 10:45:55 <@jedijf> By akgraner | Published: 2011-05-02
[18:46] <pleia2> yeah, it's broken
[18:46] <pleia2> 10:46:26 < sn9> Ubuntu Open Week: May 2-6 2011
[18:46] <nhandler> pleia2: Out of curiosity, are you logged in to the site right now?
[18:47] <pleia2> it says I am, but that's cached too, let me log in again
[18:47] <pleia2> when I'm logged in I can see new posts
[18:49] <nhandler> pleia2: I just tried connecting while not logged in, that gives me the Open Week post. Could it be a permission problem?
[18:50] <pleia2> nhandler: possibly, but I've never seen this before and I don't know what changed
[18:51] <nhandler> Neither do I. But it is definitely worth noting that being logged in shows the newer posts.
[18:52] <pleia2> looking at individual posts there aren't any obvious difference between old and new posts
[18:53] <nhandler> Yeah, and I'm not seeing anything under Settings that would cause this
[18:53] <pleia2> alright, I'm going to assume akgraner didn't submit the ticket and I'll go ahead and submit one now
[18:53] <pleia2> I'll cc the fridge editors gmail account
[18:54] <nhandler> pleia2: Thanks.
[19:04] <pleia2> ok, we have ticket 17242
[19:04] <pleia2> akgraner: what's the ticket number for the openid problem?
[19:05]  * nhandler really wishes there was a way to use the ubuntu login to add CCs to a ticket
[19:05] <pleia2> that would be nice
[19:06] <pleia2> it's interesting that they use rt at all rather than lp
[19:13] <nhandler> pleia2: LP really doesn't work well for tasks. The permission settings also don't allow as fine grain control.
[19:13] <pleia2> yeah
[19:13] <nhandler> They were also using rt before lp was around, so it would require a change in workflow
[20:46] <NRWlion> hi every1
[22:24] <NRWlion> hi @ll
[22:24] <ghoulmann|home> greets
[22:24]  * NRWlion returns the greets immediately
[22:26] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: how is it going? safely returned from shift as teacher?
[22:26]  * NRWlion thinks that ghoulmann was the teacher
[22:27] <ghoulmann|home> still am :)
[22:27]  * MrChrisDruif thinks NRWlion remembered correctly ;)
[22:27] <ghoulmann|home> thanks for listening to me blather enough to remember.
[22:27] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: that is what journalists do ;)
[22:28] <ghoulmann|home> hm, you managed not to bias it :)
[22:28] <NRWlion> to what?
[22:28] <ghoulmann|home> my short story.
[22:29] <ghoulmann|home> to anything.
[22:30] <ghoulmann|home> i've got a student doing an indie study on backtrack. it's killing me trying to keep up.
[22:30]  * MrChrisDruif isn't a journalist <_<"
[22:30] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: sorry its ticking towards midnight so i am not able to understand everything properly
[22:30] <NRWlion> ;)
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> NRWlion; Still a half hour away ;)
[22:31] <ghoulmann|home> fair enough :)
[22:31]  * NRWlion celebrates another "victory" over MrChrisDruif and hides immediately#
[22:31] <NRWlion> :P
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> A victory over me?
[22:31] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: you must know that MrChrisDruif and I are fooling around a little since we first met here online
[22:32] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: you aren't a journalist but i am ;)
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> Well...wasn't it #lubuntu? ;)
[22:32] <ghoulmann|home> that much is clear :)
[22:32] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: right
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> Well, be happy that you're a journalist and I'm not ;)
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> I am at least :P
[22:33]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't care for things that won't last ;)
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> That's why I prefer wiki's...longer lasting if done correctly
[22:33] <ghoulmann|home> going to hunt for fodder. til tomorrow, folks.
[22:34] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: ;)
[22:34] <NRWlion> ghoulmann: have a good hunt and a good nice
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> FoddeR?
[22:34] <NRWlion> nice == night
[22:34] <NRWlion> fodder == food i guess
[22:34] <ghoulmann|home> yes.
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[22:34] <ghoulmann|home> ciao.
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...good luck
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> Did you do any of that translating you promised to do NRWlion ? ;)
[22:37]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't forget stuff easily :P
[22:38] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif: affirmative for SII :D
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> You would do the same for Lubuntu ;)
[22:39] <NRWlion> would i?
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> I think you said it once...
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> Should be viewable in the logs a few months back...if it was in #lubuntu....not sure about #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:41] <NRWlion> well i guess it was -offtopic
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Probably :P
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> :)*
[22:46]  * NRWlion is nervous about an upcoming jobinterview tomorrow
[23:11] <NRWlion> good n8t folks, a long day is waiting for me
[23:13] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well nhandler
[23:13] <MrChrisDruif> Woops...
[23:13] <MrChrisDruif> Was for NRWlion nhandler