[00:33] <ali1234> AlanBell: so i've mostly got blending working with melt
[00:33] <ali1234> i could do a thing where it puts on the name of the person, the subject, and the date over a suitable blank space in the title clip
[00:34] <ali1234> something along those lines
[00:34] <ali1234> they would come from a text file or something
[02:11] <BigMac> i just installed ubuntu 11.04, but near the end of the installation i got the message "unable to install bootloader" so i chose to proceed without installing the bootloader, and when the install process was finished, i was prompted to reboot, only to find that i got booted into windows, how do i solve this?
[02:23] <ali1234> boot the livecd again, chroot into the ubuntu install, and install grub manually
[02:26] <ali1234> ah, i figured out the odd unity behaviour... this is funny
[02:27] <ali1234> if a window is on the bottom row of workspaces and it overlaps the bottom edge, it comes back on the top workspace
[02:27] <ali1234> then if you are on the top workspace and you click the launcher, unity thinks the window is on the top workspace
[02:27] <ali1234> even though only maybe 1 pixel of it is visible
[02:28] <ali1234> so then you don't get taken to the bottom workspace where *most* of the window is
[02:28] <ali1234> and it looks like nothing happened
[07:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:50] <mfraz74> morning
[07:54] <AlanBell> openshot is full to bursting of awesome
[08:14] <JGJones> how does it compare to the piviti update? (as that now comes with effects doesn't it?)
[08:15] <JGJones> btw - was wondering as there's no use listening to any fans of Apple since to them it's all new - but was there anything *new* announced instead of replications of stuff that already exist elsewhere?
[08:16] <DJones> Morning all
[08:16] <AlanBell> I don't think pitivi has effects beyond a simple fade
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> that's because there isn't a company behind it that has power!
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[08:17] <AlanBell> openshot has nice effects, a fast user interface, and fully awesome blender integration (which will be more awesome in Oneirirc with a new enough blender to get that working by default)
[08:18] <AlanBell> and openshot does chroma key for bluescreen fun
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> ooh nice
[08:21]  * MartijnVdS has a green shirt that should work well :)
[08:26] <JGJones> I'm sure I read that a new version of piviti have just been released with plenty of effects, one which include bluescreen? Not sure, let me check their blog
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: If by "bluescreen" you mean it crashes a lot, sure
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[08:27] <JGJones> but agree...openshot is full of awesome :)
[08:27] <hoover> good morning
[08:31] <JGJones> http://thiblahute.blogspot.com/2011/05/pitivi-pre-release.html - it's good at least to see that piviti is still in development at least, so we don't only have openshot - chroma key as well
[08:31] <JGJones> doesn't go into details about what effects though
[08:32] <JGJones> will try it out later. See if it crash a lot less :D
[08:39] <JGJones> good news...pitivi didn't crash within minutes.
[08:39] <JGJones> Openshot is still more awesome
[09:02] <djszapi> Hi! Is there any off-topic channel ?
[09:02] <djszapi> like #ubuntu-de-offtopic
[09:05] <DJones> !ot | djszapi
[09:05] <dutchie> djszapi: off-topic chat is fine in here, as long as it is CoC-friendly and doesn't get in the way of people offering suppoort
[09:05] <dutchie> support
[09:06] <djszapi> 5well, I have uk related question, #ubuntu-offtopic is not really the best
[09:07] <DJones> djszapi: Thats an understatement, it can be a bit off the wall in there
[09:12] <danfish> morning :)
[09:12] <danfish> anyone using amazon s3?
[09:30] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:38] <AlanBell> JGJones: yeah, I couldn't find any details of the supported effects, you would at least think there would be someone saying "woot, we have a star wipe!!!" or something like that
[09:41] <popey> morning all
[09:43] <MooDoo> morning popey how are you today?
[09:50] <popey> tickety boo
[09:56] <AlanBell> at last Matt Assay is talking about Ubuntu http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/07/ubuntu_sexy_nun_netbooks/
[10:25] <mfraz74> Is anyone else having problems with Firefox 4 saying that they don't have any extensions?
[10:26] <dogmatic69> mfraz74: i had that problem
[10:26] <dogmatic69> lost everything
[10:27] <dogmatic69> and after installing them all again, restarting it, they were all gone again
[10:27] <mfraz74> dogmatic69: I keep having it. Only way I've found so far is to download a new extension. Firefox then finds all my previous ones
[10:27] <dogmatic69> switched back to chrome
[10:28] <TheAshMan> I recently changed the IP of one of my servers and whenever I log in it displays two versions of the "welcome" screen. The second version has the old IP on it. How do I remove it?
[10:29] <TheAshMan> the second one also says "System information as of Fri May 13 15:32:01 BST 2011"
[10:29] <mfraz74> TheAshMan: have you tried asking in ubuntu-server?
[10:29] <TheAshMan> nope
[10:36] <BigRedS> I suspect cping /etc/motd elsewhere will get rid of the first one
[10:37] <BigRedS> but I know there's non-standard things going on there on a ubuntu server
[10:37] <BigRedS> and I've never looked at them in any detail other than seeing them on login
[10:37] <TheAshMan> BigRedS: Yeah, you're right. Sorted it out
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:46] <BigRedS> er, mving rather than cping
[10:46] <BigRedS> but I imaginne you guessed that
[10:46] <BigRedS> g'morning brobostigon!
[10:46] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[10:53] <gord> we might not have the best update process in the world, its kinda annoying sometimes. but my 3ds is updating and it makes a constant beep as it does so, at least we do don't do that ;)
[10:54]  * popey files a wishlist bug
[10:55] <gord> "there is no ubuntu mascot running across my screen as i update. plz fix kthx"
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all and good morning czajkowski
[11:12] <gord> does anyone who knows anything about the firefox search stuff know how to get it to search google.co.uk instead of .com?
[11:12] <BigRedS> somewhere in about:conf IIRC
[11:12] <BigRedS> that's a specific as I know
[11:13] <popey> gord: i thought it went to .com and then redirects to .co.uk based on IP geolocation
[11:14] <gord> popey, searching through the search box in the top right? nope
[11:14] <gord> although when i'm travelling it does send me to random countries google.. geez i don't know how it works
[11:15] <popey> mine goes to .co.uk on windows here
[11:15] <popey> right, its a cookie
[11:16] <popey> i then click "go to google.com" immediately below the search box, and do a new search and the results are shown on google.com, not .co.uk
[11:17] <gord> still can't force it to go to .co.uk =\
[11:19] <popey> ask keybuk ☺
[11:21] <gord> heh went and tried to get an extension to manually set it, they don't work for firefox 6. serves me right
[11:23] <livingdaylight> Open-sourced blueprints for civilization - http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/marcin_jakubowski.html - Another project adopting the open-source model; nice!
[11:25] <livingdaylight> Ironic, however, given this particular talk including open source, that at the beginning of the film it says: " This inspired thinking shared with you by MICROSOFT" lol
[11:26] <livingdaylight> nice to see microsoft acknowledge that open-source is inpsired thinking and supporting it! :p
[11:28] <BigRedS> firefox *6*?
[11:28] <gord> yup
[11:29] <gord> there is also a firefox 7 if you want that ;)
[11:29] <BigRedS> heh. FF4's broken enough things for me :)
[11:29] <gord> firefox 5 is the new beta for the next release, stuff lands in there from, firefox 6. firefox 6 is where they try out new UI ideas, stuff lands in there from, firefox 7, thats the dailies, thar be dragons ;)
[11:30] <gord> its a nice system really
[11:37] <Ng> gord: it's just a shame that they are facing irrelevance in the face of Chrome ;)
[11:38] <ubuntubhoy> anyone here able to help with a Nvidia problem ?
[11:38] <JGJones> gord & popey - if you travel on North East rail where they do free wifi - Google goes to the Swedish page (language and all)
[11:38] <dogmatic69> ubuntubhoy: maybe state your problem and someone will
[11:39] <ubuntubhoy> Got a mate who has install 11.04, working fine, but he uses a TV as his monitor
[11:39] <ubuntubhoy> its widescreen but is detected as a generic monitor so only gives him 4:3
[11:39] <TheAshMan> he installed the vidia drivers?
[11:39] <ubuntubhoy> any way to force the widecreen resolutions ?
[11:40] <ubuntubhoy> yeah, he is using the prop drivers
[11:40] <ubuntubhoy> tried adding a monitor section to xorg.conf
[11:40] <TheAshMan> he using the nvidia tool to manage the graphics? or the default management tool?
[11:40] <ubuntubhoy> with 3 widescreen res options, but without luck
[11:41] <ubuntubhoy> TheAshMan, just checking
[11:42] <livingdaylight> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement
[11:55] <dogmatic69> skype ~= broken
[12:01] <ubuntubhoy> TheAshMan, sorry for the delay, he tried both, and got the same result from each, 4:3 resolutions only
[12:17] <matti> :)
[12:17] <matti> issyl0: :)
[12:17] <issyl0> matti: !
[12:18] <issyl0> matti: How are you?
[12:18] <matti> issyl0: OK :)
[12:18] <matti> issyl0: You?
[12:19] <brobostigon> afternoonings matti :)
[12:19] <matti> Hey brobostigon-san ;]
[12:20] <brobostigon> :)
[12:20] <issyl0> matti: Very tired.  :-(
[12:21]  * matti hugs issyl0 
[12:21] <issyl0> matti: *hugs*
[12:21] <matti> ;D
[12:25] <ubuntubhoy> TheAshMan, any idea's ?
[12:25] <d3ngar_> Hi there
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> \o everyone
[12:26] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[12:26] <d3ngar_> I have a USB drive, partitioned to NTFS, but I can't mount it cause it wasn't removed properly
[12:26] <d3ngar_> How can I fix this?
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: have you tried the disk utility?
[12:26] <d3ngar_> No, what disk utility?
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: which version of Ubuntu do you use?
[12:28] <d3ngar_> 10.10
[12:28] <d3ngar_> I found the disk utility
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> ok :)
[12:28] <d3ngar_> But I don't know what to do with it :)
[12:28] <d3ngar_> File System is clean
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: select the disk, then the partition on it, and select the option to check for errors
[12:29] <d3ngar_> Already done
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: you might have to put it in a Windows machine, "safely remove" it and try again
[12:29] <d3ngar_> Disk is clean
[12:29] <d3ngar_> I don't have a Windows machine :)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: was it "Clean" before? or did it become clean after checking?
[12:29] <d3ngar_> I don't know
[12:29] <d3ngar_> There was no errors
[12:30] <d3ngar_> I just pulled it off my netbook and put it in my laptop :D
[12:30] <d3ngar_> And now I can't access it
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: try clicking the "Mount" option
[12:30] <d3ngar_> Tried, it's not working
[12:30] <d3ngar_> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[12:30] <d3ngar_> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Input/output error
[12:30] <d3ngar_> NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a
[12:30] <d3ngar_> SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware. In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows
[12:30] <d3ngar_> then reboot into Windows twice. The usage of the /f parameter is very
[12:30] <d3ngar_> important! If the device is a SoftRAID/FakeRAID then first activate
[12:30] <d3ngar_> it and mount a different device under the /dev/mapper/ directory, (e.g.
[12:30] <d3ngar_> /dev/mapper/nvidia_eahaabcc1). Please see the 'dmraid' documentation
[12:30] <d3ngar_> for more details.
[12:30] <d3ngar_> Sorry to spam
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> !paste | d3ngar_
[12:31] <d3ngar_> Any ideas?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: mapper/nvidia -- that's not the USB disk
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: that's some motherboard RAID bit
[12:31] <d3ngar_> Well
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: make sure you've selected the correct disk on the left side
[12:31] <d3ngar_> I don't care for that
[12:32] <d3ngar_> I care for my stick
[12:32] <d3ngar_> It's not a SoftRAID or anything like that
[12:32] <d3ngar_> It's just a memory stick
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: Your stick is also not /dev/mapper/nvidia_eahaabcc1
[12:32] <d3ngar_> No
[12:32] <d3ngar_> That's a big f*cking if
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: Please click your USB stick in the left panel of the disk manager
[12:33] <d3ngar_> But this if is not valid
[12:33] <d3ngar_> And then what?
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: THEN select the check option
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: and/or the mount option on the right side
[12:33] <d3ngar_> Already did
[12:33] <d3ngar_> It's not working
[12:33] <d3ngar_> The above error message
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> !softraid
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: Then I have no idea, sorry
[12:34] <d3ngar_> Thanks though :)
[12:34] <d3ngar_> There was a way to force mount the drive, no?
[12:34] <ubuntubhoy> d3ngar_, does it still work in the netbook ?
[12:34] <d3ngar_> No, unfortunately I get the same error
[12:34] <ubuntubhoy> I take it you need the data on it ?
[12:35] <d3ngar_> Kinda :S
[12:35] <d3ngar_> Well, it's still on the netbook too
[12:35] <ubuntubhoy> what does gparted say when you select it form there
[12:35] <ubuntubhoy> from*
[12:35] <d3ngar_> But I should be able to mount this with some force parameter
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: it shouldn't give you the "nvidia" error message if you selected the right disk on the lef.t
[12:36] <d3ngar_> MartijnVdS: Definitely is the right device ;)
[12:36] <ubuntubhoy> try gparted
[12:36] <ubuntubhoy> see what info it gives you
[12:37] <d3ngar_> It keeps saying to run chkdsk twice
[12:37] <d3ngar_> But I don't have Windows
[12:38] <d3ngar_> Shouldn't have gone with the NTFS partition, I guess...
[12:38] <ubuntubhoy> why is it setup as an ntfs disk then ?
[12:38] <ubuntubhoy> makes no sense
[12:38] <d3ngar_> Because a large mem-stick comes pre-formated as NTFS
[12:39] <ubuntubhoy> so you re-format when you get it
[12:39] <ubuntubhoy> especially as you dont use windows
[12:40] <d3ngar_> Yes, thanks for the hindsight :P
[12:40] <ubuntubhoy> :P
[12:41] <d3ngar_> I tried force mounting it, but I get the same error
[12:41] <d3ngar_> :(
[12:41] <ubuntubhoy> re-partition, and format, then just copy the shit over again
[12:41] <d3ngar_> Yeah
[12:42] <ubuntubhoy> will probably be quicker than trying to find a Win PC to use
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: install ntfsprogs, it contains /usr/bin/ntfsfix
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: run that on your partition
[12:42] <d3ngar_> But now I'm also worried about the big 2 TB external HD I got
[12:42] <d3ngar_> it's NTFS too :(
[12:42] <d3ngar_> Who knows, one power cut...
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: never uncleanly unmount
[12:42] <d3ngar_> Thanks Martijn, I try this
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> or always use Windows
[12:43] <victorp> popey, the membership board meeting is today at 9pm UK time - right?
[12:44] <d3ngar_> Game on!
[12:44] <d3ngar_> ntfsfix did the job!
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: woohoo
[12:44] <d3ngar_> Yes
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> d3ngar_: time to migrate to a proper filesystem now ;)
[12:45] <d3ngar_> Yes
[12:45] <MooDoo> victorp: this meeting? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[12:45] <d3ngar_> but what to do with my big 2 TB hard disk?
[12:45] <d3ngar_> I guess I leave it for now
[12:45] <d3ngar_> Don't have space to put it anywhere else
[12:45] <victorp> MooDoo, ack - that one
[12:45] <d3ngar_> Thanks
[12:48] <MooDoo> victorp: :)
[12:48] <victorp> MooDoo, I guess that the time remains the same regardless of BST
[12:49] <MooDoo> victorp: a useful tool - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=6&year=2011&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[12:49] <MooDoo> so 8pm utx is actually 9pm due to BST
[12:50] <MooDoo> i think
[12:50] <MooDoo> :)
[12:50] <victorp> yes
[12:50] <victorp> thanks
[12:50] <MooDoo> welcome
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: oi you, why you so quiet?
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: Busy dude I'm afraid
[12:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah!  that's a new one :p
[13:03] <MooDoo> oooo looks like you can get ubuntu membership for contributions within the irc area....cool
[13:03] <Laney> I can contribute cows
[13:04] <Laney> does that count?
[13:04] <MooDoo> Laney: ubuntu branded cows?
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> MooBuntu?
[13:04] <Laney> could be
[13:04] <popey> victorp: yes
[13:26] <dogmatic69> anyway to talk to iChat people with empathy?
[13:29] <BigRedS> I tend to talk to them with condescension
[13:29] <BigRedS> ;)
[13:32] <dogmatic69> hahaha
[13:33] <diplo> ah, back on 10.10
[13:33] <diplo> Much quicker
[13:33] <dogmatic69> diplo: than?
[13:34] <diplo> 11.04
[13:34] <diplo> One thing after another was going wrong
[13:35] <diplo> Nothing seemed to work correctly :(
[13:35] <diplo> Defo a nvidia issue, needed the PC day to day
[13:36] <shauno> dogmatic69: if they're anywhere near recent, it should just be jabber
[13:36] <dogmatic69> shauno: the office is full of them, just cant see them
[13:37] <shauno> ah .. no idea how you'd find them if they're using bonjour rather than a server
[13:37] <dogmatic69> thought empathy should do it, since it replaced jabber
[13:38] <dogmatic69> apt-get install jabber
[13:38] <dogmatic69> now what?
[13:41] <shauno> looks like you need an empathy plugin called salut - http://linux.die.net/man/8/telepathy-salut
[13:41] <shauno> that adds XEP-0174 to empathy, which is xmpp/jabber without a server
[13:43] <shauno> (atleast, I assume empathy uses telepathy .. I'm kinda outta touch with most of that)
[13:44] <davmor2> dogmatic69: did you setup a local user name at the end of the setup process?
[13:44] <dogmatic69> davmor2: did not ask anything
[13:45] <dogmatic69> it used to work out the box 9.10 iirc
[13:45] <dogmatic69> 10.10 nothing
[13:45] <dogmatic69> just used to use my msn account and it connected to all the mac's in the office
[13:46] <davmor2> dogmatic69: in empathy open accounts and click on add and select people nearby, the default for this part used to be accept no it is not accept
[13:47] <davmor2> under people nearby add you username and real name and that should be it done
[13:48] <dogmatic69> davmor2: ah
[13:48] <dogmatic69> nice that works
[13:49] <dogmatic69> davmor2: that connects to bonjour or something though. good enough
[13:51] <davmor2> dogmatic69: that is the one that mac uses for local networks as I say when you used to create an account it was added by default they changed that behaviour which is a bit sucky
[13:51] <davmor2> dogmatic69: windows does something similar but only when using certain applications for connection
[13:52] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[13:52] <dogmatic69> i see
[13:52] <dogmatic69> anyone used that thingy for using one mouse/kb across many pc's
[13:52] <dogmatic69> almost like vm but real pc's
[13:57] <shauno> hmm I know what you mean but the name escapes me
[13:57] <BigRedS> synergy?
[13:57] <BigRedS> can't see that being like VMs, though, you still have one monitor per PC
[13:58] <shauno> yes :)  or atleast, that's the one I'm thinking of
[13:58]  * hamitron loves synergy
[13:58] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:58] <hamitron> I'd rather have multiple PC and displays, using synergy, than twinview tbh
[13:58] <BigRedS> that's still the pinnacle of my "Someone really should have solved this problem by now.... OH MAN SOMEONE DID!"
[13:59] <hamitron> only bad thing I've found, some anti-cheat stuff for games doesn't like it
[14:00] <BigRedS> ahh, 'cause it hooks into the keyboard drivers
[14:00] <hamitron> yeh
[14:00] <davmor2> hamitron: you cheat at games wuss
[14:00] <hamitron> :-o
[14:00] <hamitron> I do spend money on hardware to gain an advantage....
[14:00] <hamitron> so yes
[14:00] <hamitron> ;)
[14:01] <victorp> popey, thanks
[14:01] <hamitron> but if you want to see how often I complete things, just check out the station on the minecraft server
[14:01] <hamitron> :/
[14:02] <davmor2> hamitron: I only look at walkthroughs from time to time when I get really stuck on the whole hack and slash games are pretty easy look for the area with no dead bodies and that's where you haven't been
[14:02] <hamitron> I never follow walk through
[14:02] <hamitron> :)
[14:02] <hamitron> but there again, it is pretty simple working out how to win in a racing game.....
[14:03] <davmor2> hamitron: come last over and over again right?
[14:03] <hamitron> I also never play single player games
[14:03] <hamitron> damn it! don't tell everyone ;/
[14:04] <hamitron> out of 26 racers, a good result for me is top 6 :/
[14:04] <hamitron> so not the fastest no, but I'd say I am consistent and fair :)
[14:26] <dogmatic69> does this look like bash? https://gist.github.com/726915
[14:27] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:27] <BigRedS> elif, esac give it away
[14:27] <BigRedS> er, fi and esac
[14:27] <dogmatic69> cool
[14:27] <dogmatic69> trying to figure out how to make this work
[14:28] <jimR_> anyone have problems with banshee ?
[14:29] <davmor2> jimR_: yes lots
[14:30] <JGJones> they scream a lot don't they?
[14:30] <jimR_> is there anything out there that will sync to a media player other than banshee ... that does not
[14:30] <BigRedS> rhythmbox?
[14:31] <davmor2> jimR_: it depends if the media player is supported when you plug it in does it say do you want to open this in banshee?
[14:32] <jimR_> yes it does and it appears in the device pane
[14:33] <davmor2> jimR_: In that case try Rhythmbox good chance it'll work
[14:36] <jimR_> I have just changed over from windoze for media manipulation I'll download RB and see what it does
[14:40] <jimR_> just installed RB it does not run !
[14:42] <BigRedS> what does it do?
[14:50] <livingdaylight> Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative - http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/
[14:51]  * popey points livingdaylight at diaspora
[14:51] <livingdaylight> diaspora?
[14:51]  * livingdaylight googles
[14:51] <popey> its linked in the comments
[14:52]  * popey has an account on diaspora
[14:52] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: https://joindiaspora.com/
[14:52] <popey> https://joindiaspora.com/
[14:52]  * MooDoo has signed up for an invite
[14:52] <Laney> [citation needed]
[14:52] <livingdaylight> hadn't got to the comments, but Thanks! I'm so ready for an alternative to fciabook
[14:52] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: write one ;)
[14:52]  * brobostigon also has a dispora account
[14:53] <livingdaylight> MooDoo :p
[14:53] <brobostigon> diaspora*
[14:53] <popey> i have one invite left if someone wants it
[14:53] <MooDoo> yeah i'll have it popey :)
[14:53] <livingdaylight> popey, me!
[14:53] <livingdaylight> can MooDoo  then invite me; or vice versa?
[14:53] <popey> dunno
[14:54] <livingdaylight> what, one can't just join?
[14:54] <popey> not at the moment
[14:54] <livingdaylight> invite only?
[14:54] <popey> its in testing
[14:54]  * brobostigon checks his invites.
[14:54] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: yeah invite only
[14:54] <Laney> pretty sure there's some misinformation in that article
[14:54]  * brobostigon has 9 invites.
[14:54] <popey> yay
[14:54] <livingdaylight> hopefully brobostigon has some
[14:54] <popey> right livingdaylight I'll send you one
[14:54] <livingdaylight> yay!
[14:54] <popey> livingdaylight: what's your email address?
[14:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: may i have one?
[14:55] <popey> pm it to me if you want is sekret
[14:55] <livingdaylight> livingdaylight@gmail.com
[14:55] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, whati your email?
[14:55] <popey> sent
[14:55] <Laney> is disapora worth anyones time yet?
[14:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: prjmellors@gmail.com
[14:55] <livingdaylight> cheers ;)
[14:56] <popey> np
[14:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: sent.
[14:56] <MooDoo> brobostigon: thanks :)
[14:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: you're welcome, :)
[14:57] <livingdaylight> Wheee!
[14:57] <livingdaylight> me in 5 tags? hrmm....
[15:05] <MiLLo> hi!  does anyone know how to install itunes on ubuntu so i can get it to talk to my iphone?  since i've moved to ubuntu i've had no success in connecting it at all - it is a jailbroken 3gs
[15:05] <JGJones> I can't even be arsed to use Facebook (I actually deleted my account...much better) so I doubt I'll even use dispora too :)
[15:06] <JGJones> MiLLo, I'm afraid you're out of luck - you cannot get iTunes on Ubuntu, Apple does not release a version of iTunes for it.
[15:06] <MooDoo> JGJones: wine
[15:06] <MooDoo> ?
[15:06] <kazade_> MiLLo, also, don't attempt to run it through Wine, Wine has no USB support
[15:07] <kazade_> :)
[15:07] <JGJones> Last I checked iTunes doesn't run that well at all on Wine (unless it's a very old version of iTunes)
[15:07] <MiLLo> damnit!
[15:07] <MiLLo> what is my best alternative then?
[15:07] <MooDoo> rhythmbox?
[15:08] <kazade_> Banshee or Rhythmbox
[15:08] <DJones> Would itunes in a Windows VM work
[15:08] <JGJones> DJones, yup it would
[15:08] <kazade_> I've found Rhythmbox to be more reliable with an iPhone than Banshee
[15:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't you like banshee
[15:08] <BigRedS> should do
[15:08] <MiLLo> i'm not too fussed about itunes specifically, but i have a program - "mywi" which allows free tethering, and it apparently requires installation of itunes
[15:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: not really looked at it as rythmbox works fine for me
[15:08] <MiLLo> i did try banshee/rhythmbox - but it comes up with mounting errors every time i try
[15:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha
[15:09] <JGJones> Rhythmbox/Banshee can connect to iPhone but it only sync songs (and photos too I think) but nothing else, ie iOS updates.
[15:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: is banshee that much better?
[15:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: I hate it
[15:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: well i'm not going to try it on the very recommendation ;)
[15:10] <MiLLo> i've just connected iphone to ubuntu
[15:11] <MiLLo> "unable to mount millo's iphone"    "DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"
[15:11] <MiLLo> it's probably an obvious error, but i'm relatively new to ubuntu and i've spent the last 5-6 weeks with no internet - wifi issues (another, long, annoying story)
[15:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't get me wrong it has some really good points but for some reason it has stupidly sucky points that invalidate the good points
[15:15] <dogmatic69> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/06/google-discontinues-its-first.html
[15:15] <MiLLo> anyone have any suggestions on the above error? (sorry to be a pain)
[15:16] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: i fixed that the other day
[15:16]  * MiLLo gazes at dogmatic69 in wonder...
[15:17] <dogmatic69> history does not have the thing i did :/
[15:17] <dogmatic69> what is the easiest way to see what was installed recently
[15:20] <ormiret> have a look in /var/log/dpkg.log
[15:21] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: try apt-get install ipheth-dkms
[15:21] <MiLLo> cheers dogmatic69 trying that now!
[15:22] <dogmatic69> not sure if that is the one, but should be
[15:22] <MiLLo> unable to locate packag
[15:22] <MiLLo> e
[15:24] <dogmatic69> sudo apt-get install ipheth-dkms
[15:24] <kaushal> Hi
[15:24] <dogmatic69> ipheth<tab>
[15:24] <MiLLo> yeah that's what i tried
[15:24] <MiLLo> wait tab?
[15:24] <MiLLo> that i didn't try
[15:24] <dogmatic69> o.o
[15:24] <dogmatic69> auto complete ftw
[15:25] <MiLLo> i pressed ipheth then tab
[15:25] <MiLLo> filled in with utils
[15:25] <MiLLo> and downloaded that
[15:25] <MiLLo> but it still won't locate dkms
[15:25] <dogmatic69> maybe its under some other source
[15:25] <dogmatic69> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+package/ipheth-dkms
[15:25] <MiLLo> hmm, i'm on natty - if that makes a difference
[15:26] <dogmatic69> maybe
[15:26] <dogmatic69> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ipheth-dkms
[15:26] <MiLLo> ok, at the risk of sounding really retarded - i go on that link
[15:26] <MiLLo> how do i specifically download/install?
[15:27] <MiLLo> normally i tend to just copy the terminal text - but there is none
[15:27] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell Any interest in this
[15:27] <DJones> http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2011/06/07/246890/System-integrators-render-Cabinet-Office-open-source-strategy-unworkable-MPs.htm
[15:27] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ipheth/1.0-1ubuntu1
[15:27] <dogmatic69> "Removal requested on 2010-11-02."
[15:28] <dogmatic69> following the links, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ipheth
[15:29] <MiLLo> ipheth_1.0-3build1.debian.tar.gz (3.4 KiB
[15:30] <MiLLo> i just downloaded that
[15:30] <MiLLo> but i'm not 100% on how to extract/install
[15:30] <MiLLo> well
[15:30] <MiLLo> i've extracted - but not sure what is the file i use to open/install
[15:30] <ormiret> MiLLo: it looks like the name changed: the ipheth-utils package you found earlier is that.
[15:31] <MiLLo> oh right
[15:31] <MiLLo> so i've now installed it?
[15:31] <dogmatic69> might need a reboot
[15:31] <MiLLo> think i might have to do that
[15:31] <MiLLo> still getting same error message
[15:31] <MiLLo> back in 5
[15:31] <MiLLo> thanks btw
[15:32] <MooDoo> looking at the files it needs compiling doesn't it?  unless i've just downloaded something different
[15:33] <ormiret> MooDoo: you might have downloaded the source package (ipheth), the binary package is ipheth-utils
[15:33] <MooDoo> ormiret: yeah probably lol
[15:34] <MiLLo> nooope.. same error message
[15:36] <MiLLo> my ubuntu hates me.  wifi - dead.  iphone - dead. :I(
[15:36] <kazade_> MiLLo try sudo apt-get install libimobiledevice2
[15:36] <ormiret> MiLLo: ipheth looks to be for tethering, the message you posted earlier was about mounting. Which do you want to do?
[15:37] <kazade_> you probably have it already
[15:37] <MiLLo> i can't do both ormiret?
[15:37] <kazade_> also sudo apt-get install libimobiledevice2-utils
[15:38] <ormiret> MiLLo: probably, but it's probably best to solve one problem at a time. I don't think the ipheth stuff will help with mounting (but I don't know how the iphone does either so they could be all mixed up together).
[15:39] <MiLLo> right ok
[15:39] <MiLLo> well
[15:39] <MiLLo> if i had to choose - my priority would be so that i can connect iphone to laptop - and share the wifi connection my iphone gets - with my laptop
[15:39] <MiLLo> if that makes sense
[15:39] <MiLLo> either wireless or through the iphone usb cable
[15:39] <MooDoo> MiLLo: dump it for android ;) lol
[15:39]  * MooDoo is teasing
[15:40] <MiLLo> just waiting for the idroid MooDoo ;-)
[15:40] <JGJones> What Ubunto One Music need is for me to be able to select certain songs etc to sync with Ubuntu One - I don't want to sync my entire library
[15:40] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: update to latest ios, then you can share your wifi
[15:41] <MiLLo> dogmatic69 - but then i have to pay don't i? and then that means installing windows on a vmware (which i probably should get around to doing).. it used to be a case of plugging it in and turning on the app on my phone - but apparently it's playing up needing itunes.  and i'm not sure if the fact it's not recognising my iphone when i plug it in - is the reason the tethering via cable is no longer working
[15:41] <dogmatic69> pay?
[15:42] <dogmatic69> windows on vm for?
[15:42] <dogmatic69> you can not connect the phone to vm via usb
[15:43] <dogmatic69> i got this to update mine http://tinyurl.com/6fukc9z
[15:43] <MiLLo> really?
[15:44] <dogmatic69> yip
[15:44] <popey> i share my iphone over wifi personally, much more convenient
[15:44] <dogmatic69> same
[15:44] <MiLLo> how do you mean popey - personally?
[15:45] <MiLLo> my basic problem - my laptop won't hold a wifi connection at home, iphone can.  wired isn't really an option - so i'm trying to share it
[15:45] <dogmatic69> 1) get a £50 mac mini 2) jail break iphone, 3) ??? 4)wifi hotspot [pprofit]
[15:45] <popey> uhm
[15:45] <popey> on the phone settings -> personal hotspot -> on
[15:45] <popey> job done
[15:45] <dogmatic69> clicking a button > plugging a cable
[15:45] <popey> yeah
[15:46] <popey> also means I can put the phone in an optimal 3g location
[15:46] <popey> and/or near a power outlet
[15:46] <MiLLo> so upgrade to latest ios - then do it that way?
[15:46] <dogmatic69> yip
[15:46] <MiLLo> i'll have to borrow bro's laptop then
[15:46] <dogmatic69> 4.3 has this built in
[15:46] <popey> what version of iOS do you have?
[15:46] <MiLLo> 4.2.1
[15:47] <MiLLo> jailbroken
[15:47] <popey> ah
[15:47] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: its better to have your own mac
[15:47] <popey> 4.3.3 here
[15:47] <MiLLo> mac is a bad word in my life ;-)
[15:47] <dogmatic69> its a pain connecting to other peoples mac's all the time
[15:47] <MiLLo> rest of my family use windows - i'm the first to break out to ubuntu
[15:47] <dogmatic69> i literally only use mine for updates.
[15:48] <dogmatic69> you can back up your entire phone + apps on it too
[15:48] <ormiret> popey / dogmatic69: will the personal hotspot stuff share a Wifi connection over Wifi? (I think that's what MiLLo want's to do).
[15:48] <popey> no
[15:48] <popey> sorry
[15:48] <popey> i thought it was 3g over wifi
[15:48] <dogmatic69> ah
[15:48] <popey> you cant share wifi over wifi
[15:49] <dogmatic69> you want to use your phone as a wifi dongle
[15:49] <MiLLo> kinda
[15:49] <MiLLo> i had an app for it (I get the pun)
[15:49] <MiLLo> but it requires itunes installed
[15:49] <popey> what exactly do you want to do
[15:49] <dogmatic69> mac minis got wifi, :D
[15:49] <popey> not what apps do you need
[15:49] <popey> what is the task you want to complete
[15:50] <MiLLo> laptop = refuses to connect to routers wifi.  iphone = loves my routers wifi.  i want to access wifi through laptop (wired not an option)
[15:50] <popey> oh thats odd
[15:50] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: how about a £10 wifi dongle?
[15:50] <popey> I would fix the laptop :D
[15:50] <popey> or that
[15:51] <MiLLo> I just don't see why i should have to pay for something, that should work - i want to fix it popey, but i've been trying things for 5-6 weeks now
[15:51] <MiLLo> and apart from the rare occasion it holds connection - it's constantly dropping
[15:51] <MiLLo> and it only happened once i moved to natty
[15:51] <popey> what type of laptop is it?
[15:51] <popey> is it a broadcom chip?
[15:51] <MiLLo> toshiba satellite a500
[15:51] <dogmatic69> MiLLo: hold on, is it not working on ubuntu and was with windows?
[15:52] <dogmatic69> nvm, :D
[15:52] <MiLLo> worked with windows, 10.10 (rare occasion of dropping), natty - 2 days in, it's experienced two types of connection errors
[15:53] <JGJones> MiLLo, just a thought - what channel is your wifi on?
[15:53] <MiLLo> tried it
[15:53] <MiLLo> but
[15:54] <JGJones> My ASUS transformer wouldn't connect to my router at all - I was using channel 13 (as no-one around here use it, they all use channel 1-4) but the ASUS isn't able to use channel 13, so switch it to 12 and all was fine.
[15:54] <MiLLo> damn, my dad (just to ensure i can't play with settings) has changed password so i can't find out what channel
[15:55] <JGJones> It's just a thought - but I realise that if the channel was an issue (ie if your laptop can't see channel 13 - then you will not see the wifi at all, not even the name)
[15:56] <MiLLo> it'll connect
[15:56] <MiLLo> then drop randomly
[15:56] <MiLLo> either straight away, 2 minutes in, or even several hours in
[15:56] <MiLLo> but then often constantly connect, drop, connect drop
[15:56] <MiLLo> then give up
[15:56] <davmor2> MiLLo: What chipset is the wireless in the laptop?
[15:57] <MiLLo> realtek something or other i think
[15:57] <MiLLo> not sure how to check
[15:58] <JGJones> davmor2,  - I think the toshiba satellite a500 does use a broadcom chip - not certain
[15:58] <JGJones> as I fixed a toshiba satellite laptop recently, it might have been a A500.
[15:58] <JGJones> realtek - that's a sound chip I believe
[15:58] <MiLLo> what's the best way to check?  it was easy on windows - device manager.. on natty i don't have a monkeys!
[15:59] <MiLLo> i thought realtek was sound as well, but i'm sure when i was asked before - it came out with realtek as network chip
[15:59] <JGJones> oh yeah
[15:59] <JGJones> it can be used for wired network too
[15:59] <ormiret> MiLLo: open a terminal and run "lshw -class network"
[16:00] <MiLLo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/620957/
[16:01] <JGJones> Realtek RTL8191SEvB wireless
[16:02] <MiLLo> sounds about right
[16:02] <MiLLo> any ideas?
[16:03] <JGJones> There's a thread here - with a suggested fix at the end - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1635892
[16:03] <MiLLo> i think it may be the router personally - as most devices have had issues with it to some extent - my laptop more than others
[16:03] <ormiret> MiLLo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/687692 offers some possible fixes
[16:03] <JGJones> The problems that was described there sound similar to yours - when you do connect it disconnect a lot
[16:05] <MiLLo> THAT is exactly it
[16:05] <MiLLo> so many times i have to reboot to stand a chance of any connection
[16:06] <MiLLo> right - apparently it shouldn't be an issue with x64 - i'm running x64 (I think - should be, it's a 64bit processor) - and i'm suffering issues
[16:07] <JGJones> well I've read the whole thread...it does exist on x64 too
[16:07] <MiLLo> you're reading far faster :P
[16:07] <ormiret> You can reset teh wifi without having to do a full reboot with "sudo rmmod r8192se_pci; sudo modprobe r8192se_pci" not really a fix though.
[16:08] <MiLLo> yeah... after 5-6 weeks of this and no real internet - i want a fix now
[16:08] <MooDoo> MiLLo: was that a now and stamp your foot ;)
[16:08] <JGJones> Seem to be a problem with hardware accelerated WEP on that card?
[16:09] <JGJones> in the ubuntu thread I posted earlier, a suggested fix was this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10222011&postcount=10
[16:09] <AlanBell> DJones: thanks, that was interesting
[16:21] <AlanBell> any quick android handset reccommendations?
[16:22] <MiLLo> i9001
[16:22] <MooDoo> htc desire?  desire hd?  samsung galaxy
[16:22] <MiLLo> or galaxy s2
[16:22] <MiLLo> whatever you want to call it.
[16:23] <MiLLo> JGJones, ormiret - should i try the idea at the bottom of the link ormiret gave me - remove network manager and just use wicd?
[16:24] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: iPhone4 ;)
[16:24] <JGJones> as that said - wicd is buggy
[16:24] <JGJones> and at your risk of course :)
[16:25] <JGJones> Samsung Galaxy S2 - Cyanogen mentioned via twitter that they've got one and will now work for Cyanogen for it. Plus it's supposed to be an insanely fast phone.
[16:25] <BigRedS> yeah, that looks like a complete reversal compared to my Galaxy :(
[16:26] <MiLLo> so what would you recommend is my best plan then JGJones?
[16:26] <BigRedS> well, :) I suppose, but I'm still not sure I don#'t dislike samsung yet
[16:26] <JGJones> Or if you just don't want to root - but want updates asap - Nexus S then.
[16:28] <AlanBell> galaxy S seems to have gingerbread already which is good
[16:29]  * JGJones is in love with his Nexus One.
[16:30]  * brobostigon hugs his htc dream,with gingerbread.
[16:30] <AlanBell> what is the batter life like on the galaxy S?
[16:30] <ali1234> cripsy
[16:31] <ali1234> mmm... deep friend galaxy s
[16:31] <MiLLo> has anyone found the flash videos through ubuntu slightly buggy?
[16:31] <BigRedS> I get a couple of days out of mine
[16:31] <ali1234> MiLLo: yes, extremely, all the time
[16:31] <MiLLo> like half the screen showing as black when playing vids
[16:31] <BigRedS> I think it was worse on stock firmware, but I'm not really sure
[16:31] <ali1234> MiLLo: known bug
[16:31] <brobostigon> my htc dream,with 2.2.1, lasts justunder a day.
[16:31] <MiLLo> no fix i take it ali1234?
[16:32] <ali1234> the fix is to install an unsupported beta version of flash player
[16:32] <MiLLo> oooh, i've not noticed this - any ideas of name/location?
[16:32] <JGJones> Nexus One - Most of the time, it last a day. Now it last 2-3 days (since I got an Android tablet, the phone isn't used as often ;-))
[16:33] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: htc announced that they not shipping locked roms anymore
[16:33] <ali1234> MiLLo: bug 761074
[16:33] <ali1234> (sometimes the rectangles are black)
[16:34] <MiLLo> yeah my rectangles are more black than white
[16:35] <JGJones> MiLLo, Honestly, I don't know what the best solution for you - personally I'll try all suggested fixes in the launchpad thread as well as in the forum. If none of them work, then in extreme cases get WICD but frankly, I'm more likely to just get a USB wifi stick until a fix is available (Network Manager too useful to get rid of)
[16:35] <ali1234> MiLLo: it depends on which sites you go on
[16:35] <ali1234> whether you get black or white
[16:35] <ali1234> so that's normal
[16:36] <MiLLo> hmm... JGJones - did you/someone say that usb support doesn't work through vmware?
[16:36] <JGJones> MiLLo, um...for what? Oh was that in reference to iTunes?
[16:37] <ali1234> usb works in virtualbox OSE now
[16:37] <MiLLo> yeah - if i was to install windows/vmware - then run itunes through it
[16:37] <ali1234> which is great
[16:37] <ali1234> i would expect it to work in vmware
[16:37] <MiLLo> which is better vmware or virtual box?  or is it splitting hairs?
[16:37] <ali1234> splitting hairs really
[16:37] <JGJones> MiLLo, if so, then it was some other dude that said Wine doesn't support USB, but you can use USB on virturalbox
[16:37] <ali1234> i prefer virtualbox because it is open source
[16:38] <JGJones> MiLLo, I use virtualbox myself too - they even provide a repo for updates.
[16:38] <ali1234> in terms of reatures there's not a lot to differentiate the free versions
[16:38] <ali1234> *features
[16:38] <MiLLo> ok, vbox it is :)
[16:39] <MiLLo> i'll get these issues sorted if it kills me - i love ubuntu to bits, really nice and lot more freedom over windows -  but it's just been small issues like these (or big in the wifi case) that is making me regret the choice
[16:40] <JGJones> MiLLo, no worries, there's always the lovely helpful people in here to help. (/me awaits bribery money)
[16:40] <MiLLo> ;-)
[16:40] <BigRedS> MiLLo: if it's any consolation, I have exactly these issues whenever I find myself configuring Windows :)
[16:41] <MiLLo> hmm, i've just thought - i doubt it'd be possible, but - say i got itunes working in vmware, and thus my usb wifi sharing connection - can i then transfer that connection somehow outside the virtual machine onto my normal ubuntu system?
[16:41] <MiLLo> if that makes sense
[16:41] <BigRedS> depends what you mean by 'transfer'
[16:41] <JGJones> MiLLo, hah yeah...I'm have a pain in the arse time trying to find drivers for bloody Windows for a Sony VAIO SZ7 laptop.
[16:41] <BigRedS> your vm can give it up, and let the host OS use the USB connection, yeah
[16:41] <BigRedS> but that wont mean that the host OS necessarily knows what to send down i
[16:41] <BigRedS> t
[16:41] <MiLLo> hmm
[16:43] <MiLLo> ali1234, what was that beta flash thing you mentioned?
[16:43] <ali1234> MiLLo: it is on the bug report
[16:43] <MiLLo> is it?
[16:44] <MiLLo> ah
[16:44] <MiLLo> ok, how do i run/install ppa?
[16:44] <MiLLo> i understand it's like a package repository
[16:44] <MiLLo> but that's far as i know
[16:50] <MooDoo> MiLLo:
[16:50] <MooDoo> oops do you have one in mind?
[16:51] <MiLLo> i 'think' i've figured it out
[16:52] <MiLLo> it depends if sudo apt-get dist-upgrade does what i want it to
[16:52] <MiLLo> :P
[16:54] <MiLLo> ok
[16:54] <MiLLo> so far looks so good
[16:56] <BigRedS> MiLLo: it probably doesn't
[16:56] <BigRedS> but I've not read any of the preceeding messages
[16:57] <MiLLo> i basically followed this: http://linuxers.org/howto/how-install-software-ubuntu-ppa
[16:57] <MiLLo> and used this ppa: ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[16:58] <MiLLo> i've restarted firefox
[16:58] <MiLLo> and will hopefully find out soon whether or not it works for me
[17:03] <MiLLo> noope.
[17:03] <MiLLo> i still get black boxes when i watch the nintendo e3 presentation
[17:09] <MooDoo> awesome watching meetings in ubuntu-meeting to see what goes on :)
[17:09] <JGJones> Does Google Chrome for Linux have inbuilt Flash?
[17:09] <daubers> MooDoo: More interesting watching Nintendo e3 keynote :)
[17:09] <MooDoo> lol
[17:09] <JGJones> cos if it does - you could use Google Chrome for flash?
[17:10] <marxjohnson> Hmm anyone here good with RAID?
[17:10] <brobostigon> am i dreaming, or does in android 2.3.4, when you hit a notification, it slides abit left to right?
[17:10] <daubers> marxjohnson: Depends what kind
[17:11] <JGJones> brobostigon, you mean you slide notification out of the way in the notification?
[17:11] <marxjohnson> I've got 2 disks in a RAID 1 array, but in /dev I've got sdb and sdc which both show in fdisk as 1TB. I only expected to see 1. Does that mean I've configured it wrong
[17:11] <daubers> hardware or software raid?
[17:11] <marxjohnson> hardware
[17:11] <JGJones> I have that with Cyanogen - list of notification, can slide some out of the way to skip them and leave the rest (rather than clear all)
[17:11] <davmor2> MiLLo: try it in chromium it's not flash at fault it's FF
[17:11] <daubers> sounds like it's setup in a jbod
[17:11] <brobostigon> JGJones: not exactly, because when i hit a notification, from k9,it slides abit, and then opens k9.
[17:11] <daubers> Which raid card?
[17:12] <marxjohnson> Whatever's in the ProLiant Microserver :-) I'll find out
[17:12] <marxjohnson> and what's a jbod?
[17:12] <daubers> Ah :) Fakeraid
[17:12] <daubers> jbod = just a bunch of disks
[17:13] <marxjohnson> ok, so have I set it up wrong or do I just do whatever to one and it'll mirror to the other?
[17:13] <daubers> You've set it up wrong. You should just get one block device back
[17:13] <marxjohnson> right
[17:14] <marxjohnson> I'll try again then, thanks!
[17:14] <daubers> :)
[17:14] <daubers> As a warning, the raid on motherboards is pretty pants
[17:14] <daubers> It's not real hardware raid
[17:15] <marxjohnson> that's OK, my job doesn't depend on it or anything
[17:15] <daubers> heh :0
[17:15] <daubers> :)
[17:16] <marxjohnson> I just need something better than a single disk in a USB enclosure
[17:17] <daubers> heh :) If its just for linux, I'd rather trust maddm
[17:17] <daubers> mdadm
[17:18] <marxjohnson> is that software RAID?
[17:23] <daubers> Yeah
[17:23] <daubers> Best is a real HW raid (not fakeraid like mobo's have), then software raid, then fakeraid
[17:25] <marxjohnson> ah cool
[17:25] <marxjohnson> yeah just found a howto looks pretty straightforward
[17:25] <marxjohnson> thanks
[17:30] <MiLLo> damnit, anyone watching the nintendo e3?  i'm missing the stuff on 3ds now, browser chrashed and won't reload page
[17:31] <gord> MiLLo, new mario kart
[17:31] <JGJones> Free zelda
[17:31] <MiLLo> does it look good?
[17:31] <JGJones> you're missing so much
[17:31] <JGJones> ;-)
[17:31] <JGJones> nah
[17:31] <JGJones> not even watching it.
[17:31] <MiLLo> haha
[17:31] <d3ngar_> Hey, another quick question
[17:31] <MiLLo> it cut off just at the start of the mario kart presentation
[17:31] <JGJones> MiLLo, Tried Google Chrome? I think it have inbuilt flash
[17:31] <MiLLo> and chromium won't load it up
[17:31] <gord> it looks good
[17:32]  * czajkowski pokes gord 
[17:32] <MiLLo> just stuck on loading page..  firefox is buggy but least it's loading it =.
[17:32] <JGJones> Chromium is open source so it won't include Flash - it'll use the plugin installed on your system.
[17:32] <d3ngar_> I have a remote computer that forwards a port to me via SSH (the VNC port), but somehow I can't connect
[17:32] <d3ngar_> Is there a way of checking if the port is open
[17:32] <d3ngar_> ?
[17:32] <JGJones> d3ngar_, nmap
[17:32] <d3ngar_> cheers
[17:34] <MiLLo> well there's no rectangle issue on flash with chromium
[17:35] <MiLLo> i didn't like chrome for windows - but this is a good bonus point for chromium over ff now
[17:36] <davmor2> MiLLo: There is a fix for it in Natty I don't have it since the update this morning but you might not have it if you installed a newer version from a ppa this is why I don't use ppas for production machinces
[17:37] <MiLLo> hmm, i'll give chromium a go - might be better on ubuntu than windows
[17:40] <MiLLo> if nintendo decided to emcompass a media machine as well as games - i reckon they could destroy sony and microsoft out of the water
[17:40] <MiLLo> the wii wasn't great technically and the end results were embarassing to both sony and microsoft
[17:40] <MiLLo> same with nintendo ds - psp was far superior, yet the ds was far more popular
[17:48] <MiLLo> ok
[17:48] <MiLLo> anyone watching this?
[17:48] <MiLLo> #wiiu looks awesome
[18:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: stop breaking the hsbc webpage you vandal
[18:05] <davmor2> seeker_ is known as new_seekers
[18:17] <gord> i'm just gonna give nintendo access to my bank account, they can figure out the rest
[18:27] <Nintendo> gord - please provide me with your bank account details
[18:27] <Nintendo> Just /msg it to me thanks
[18:27] <gord> too late, just gave it to a nijerian prince
[18:28] <JGJones> damn always worth a try....next time....
[18:53] <BigRedS> any magic-mail smtpd users knocking around?
[18:53] <losty> not sure what that is mate
[18:54] <BigRedS> it's an smtp daemon, qmail-alike
[18:54] <losty> ahh ok, yea im no help to ya on that im afraid
[18:54] <Nijerian_Prince> gord: thank you for your bank details I am now a very poor man you need more money man how do you expect to live on that!
[18:58] <czajkowski> davmor2: it's being silly
[18:58] <czajkowski> not my fault
[18:58]  * bigcalm waves from Paris
[18:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: of course it's you woman ;)
[18:59] <czajkowski> davmor2: i will kill you you know this don't you
[18:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: bad day to go to Paris did you not hear that the USA are making a film about the destruction of man kind you can only guess where they blow up first right
[18:59] <bigcalm> \o/
[19:00] <bigcalm> Sounds like the introduction of Team America
[19:00] <davmor2> pictures bigcalm like this in a bit \o     /
[19:00] <bigcalm> Heh
[19:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: Nice have a good time in paris :)
[19:01] <bigcalm> http://yfrog.com/hsiwpapj
[19:01] <bigcalm> Thank you davmor2 :)
[19:03] <bigcalm> Time to find some dinner
[19:03]  * AlanBell has shiny new Galaxy S 2
[19:04] <Lcawte> Nice
[19:04] <Lcawte> I want one :P
[19:04] <Lcawte> I'm trying to organise the re-kickstart of the Gaming Team :|
[19:05] <MiLLo> xvidcap a good screen video recorder?
[19:06] <davmor2> AlanBell: nice infact nicer than bigcalm in paris
[19:09] <popey> MiLLo: no
[19:11] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/621112/
[19:11] <popey> MiLLo: thats what I use
[19:14] <MiLLo> umm... popey - that's just a bunch of text to me :P
[19:14] <popey> its a script
[19:14] <MiLLo> like i recognise some of the codec names etc.
[19:14] <MiLLo> ah
[19:23]  * davmor2 wonders why if I listen to Absolute 80's via mp3 I get the artist and song and via ogg I don't :(
[19:42] <Core_UK> anyone else having issues with youtube full screen?
[19:43]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[19:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice, I'm not ticklish though
[19:44]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[19:44] <davmor2> hugs czajkowski back
[20:37] <SuprEngr> lost the freenode channel name for the podcast [please help or i'll cwy]
[20:40] <SuprEngr> hmmm... just as i suspected... thanks for nowt
[20:45] <Plague> Evening all - are there any iMac users here by any chance?
[20:46] <losty> not me Plague - wouldn't mind one though, they sure do look pretty
[20:47] <czajkowski> Plague: some but might not be the best of time to ask
[20:47] <czajkowski> Plague: podcast on in #ubuntu-uk-podcast folks are tuned in there
[20:47] <Plague> I do like mine but I think if I was to be fair, they're not worth what Apple charge for them (got mine from the refurb store - brand new but not full apple price)
[20:48] <Plague> thanks for that czajkowski - il have a nosey
[20:53] <czajkowski> np
[21:24] <bigcalm> http://cuth.eu/eiffel :D
[21:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] A use for EFI - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137710.html
[21:33] <JGJones> Plague, price-wise I think they're only worth their price immediately after a "refresh" - at least for the laptops that is...then, there's not much that match them spec-wise
[21:34] <JGJones> actually I think it's a clever move. Apple know prices goes down, and soon others will catch up and surpass them but they continue to use same spec and same price, getting bigger profit as they go until the next refresh. The refresh serve to make people think they're fastest for price (but forgetting it's for a short time)
[21:41] <michael> hi
[21:41] <michael> any one online
[21:41] <michael> ?
[21:41] <AlanBell> no
[21:42] <Guest33721> any theme manager fir gnome3
[21:42]  * AlanBell wonders what other interesting things to do with a new android phone
[21:42] <Guest33721> really god one/.
[21:42] <Azelphur> AlanBell: http://preyproject.com/
[21:42] <AlanBell> Azelphur: good point, and there is a samsung version of that built in
[21:42] <Guest33721> well which changes the whole system theme
[21:43] <Guest33721> i use gnome tweak tool
[21:43] <Azelphur> AlanBell: http://www.yaaic.org/ ? :D
[21:43] <AlanBell> Guest33721: gnome 3 isn't in ubuntu until Oneiric anyway
[21:44] <AlanBell> Azelphur: using ssh and irssi connectbot
[21:44] <Azelphur> !ubuntu+1 | Guest33721
[21:44] <Azelphur> stupid factoid bot.
[21:45] <AlanBell> ook
[21:45] <Guest33721> thats right use ubuntu11.04 and gnome shell /gnome3
[21:46] <Guest33721> well windows look crap with the default settings
[21:47] <Azelphur> Guest33721: you'd be better off looking for a gnome channel, everyone here is using gnome 2/unity
[21:47] <AlanBell> !ubuntu+1
[21:47] <Azelphur> you fixed it \o/
[21:47] <AlanBell> I poked the right people
[21:47] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:48] <Guest33721> gnome2
[21:48] <Guest33721> wonder if it any good
[21:49] <brobostigon> i am using gnome3/gnome-shell Azelphur, infact a few people do, so no one, is not accurate.
[21:49] <Azelphur> brobostigon: then go answer him :D
[21:49] <Azelphur> lol
[21:50] <Guest33721> tell me. brobostigon
[21:50] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i didnt see, any definate question, other than a statement declaring, thats thingsdontlook very nice, with defaultsettings.
[21:51] <Guest33721> do you any good theme manager
[21:51] <Guest33721> for gnome shell
[21:51] <brobostigon> Guest33721: i would get thre tweak tool, from the gnome3-teams repo, with that you can play with it/them, and more.
[21:52] <Guest33721> which ones
[21:53] <brobostigon> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeTweakTool
[21:53] <brobostigon> that, it is in their ppa.
[21:53] <brobostigon> gnome3-teams.*
[21:53] <Guest33721> i have compize & emerald & gnome tweak tool
[21:53] <Guest33721> emerald theme manager doesn't work
[21:53] <Guest33721> must be to old
[21:54] <brobostigon> Guest33721: compiz will clash with gnome-shells WM, both wont run at the same time.
[21:54] <Guest33721> gnome tweak tool.well how do you install themes
[21:54] <brobostigon> Guest33721: yes, with gnome tweak tool, you can edit gnome-shell themes.
[21:55] <brobostigon> Guest33721: not tried, so no idea. sorry.
[21:55] <Guest33721> i like to install some nice themes
[21:56] <brobostigon> Guest33721: ok,the tweak tool page, says you caninstall newthemes with it, so i am presuming here, i will tell you where, and what format thosethemesneed to be in.
[21:57] <Guest33721> tell me
[21:57] <Guest33721> sent me  link of the page
[21:57] <brobostigon> Guest33721: i truly dont know, i havent tried yet, so i dont know, up to acertain point.
[21:57] <brobostigon> ?
[21:58] <brobostigon> huh.
[21:58] <brobostigon> i give up.
[22:50] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:51] <wintellect> night brobostigon
[22:51] <brobostigon> night wintellect o/
[23:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity Quality in Ubuntu 11.10: Help Make It Rock - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/07/unity-quality-in-ubuntu-11-10-help-make-it-rock/
[23:57] <ali1234> half of these "design bugs" mentioned in that blog posts actually read like "hey, how can we make unity even worse?"
[23:57] <ali1234> like this one for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/656519
[23:57] <ali1234> "unity just isn't annoying enough guys, we need to make it MUCH worse for 11.10"
[23:59] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/723861
[23:59] <ali1234> what? why should it be removed? that makes no sense? when unity crashes, making a launcher of "gnome terminal" is the only way to restart a half decent window manager