[02:14] <snap-l> Testing
[02:15] <rick_h_> still broken
[02:15] <snap-l> Yeah, unfortunately.
[02:16] <snap-l> On the plus side, I'm going to move everything to the faster 1TB drive. :)
[02:16] <greg-g> heh
[02:16] <snap-l> and put the music on the 640GB drive
[02:16] <greg-g> man, I'm still bummed about your situation
[02:16] <snap-l> Meh, no worries
[02:16] <snap-l> There was a still small voice that said "don't do it"
[02:17] <snap-l> I'm hoping that my actual backup was smarter than I was
[02:17] <rick_h_> sounds like nothing irreplaceable lost?
[02:17] <rick_h_> so you just gave that small voice a big stick for next time
[02:17] <snap-l> I made a directory called "purchased" which saved all of the purchased music
[02:17] <snap-l> and the open metalcast music
[02:17] <snap-l> which I *think* I saved
[02:17] <snap-l> I'm not powering up that drive until I'm damn sure that the rest of the machine is stable. ;)
[02:18] <snap-l> Bought another 2TB external drive, which should cover the localized backups
[02:18] <snap-l> so the only thing that I lost is software archives (which I can get back, hopefully) and the FLAC rips
[02:18] <snap-l> which aren't irreplaceable, just a pain in the ass to replace.
[02:19] <snap-l> At least, that's what I'm hoping. ;)
[02:19] <greg-g> the flac rips are what make me sad
[02:19] <snap-l> That'll teach me to skimp on backups.
[02:19] <snap-l> Yeah, no biggie
[02:19] <snap-l> Just takes time
[02:20] <snap-l> I wanted to re-rip a few things anyway, because the metadata got messed up
[02:20] <snap-l> ran picard on a few things and goofed them up
[02:20] <snap-l> so I'm actually a little happy that it's gone, all things considered.
[02:21] <snap-l> And that which I lost, I re-buy
[02:23] <rick_h_> snap-l: ping, heads up, updating bookie install, will need to get the extension from http://bmark.us/extensions.html#installation manual download
[02:24] <snap-l> OK, no worries.
[02:24] <snap-l> When should I get that? Now, or later?
[02:24] <rick_h_> whenever you want
[02:25] <snap-l> Just got "An error occurred"
[02:25] <snap-l> Item not found. This item may have been removed by its author.
[02:25] <rick_h_> from that crx download file?
[02:26] <rick_h_> http://bmark.us/bookie_chrome.crx
[02:26] <snap-l> There's no mention of that file on the installation page
[02:26] <rick_h_> second bullet point
[02:26] <snap-l> Chromium
[02:27] <rick_h_> gotcha, yea sorry
[02:27] <rick_h_> that's "manual download"
[02:27] <rick_h_> the mobile site is broken atm, bug submitted to jquerymobile but not heard back yet
[02:28] <snap-l> Ugh, fun
[02:29] <snap-l> have to say, I'm a real fan of Chrome's sync
[02:29] <snap-l> saving my butt
[02:29] <rick_h_> yea, <3
[02:34] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/06/dali-clock-no-longer-available-in-app-store-this-time-for-sure/
[02:34] <snap-l> The more I see Apple's App Store, the more I think that it's a load of horseshit.
[02:42] <jjesse> it is
[02:46] <jrwren> rick_h_: nice tip on the bcrypt. its some of the most readable C I've seen in a while.  http://code.google.com/p/py-bcrypt/source/browse/#hg%2Fbcrypt
[02:46] <rick_h_> good to konw
[02:46] <rick_h_> know that is
[02:52] <snap-l> OK, I have faith in the world.
[02:53] <snap-l> Listening to Kraftwerk's "Home Computer"
[03:05] <jrwren> wtf is home computer?
[03:05] <jrwren> err... hwat album?
[04:03] <snap-l> It's a song off of... urm...
[04:03] <snap-l> one sec. I can picture the album cover.
[04:03] <snap-l> Computer World.
[04:03] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_World
[15:04] <snap-l> Welcome from my new Natty install
[15:04] <snap-l> I'd love to know why my alt keypress doesn't work for irssi.
[15:06] <_stink_> try esc + <key> ?
[15:06] <_stink_> not that that's an answer.
[15:06] <snap-l> It works, and yes, that's not an answer. :)
[15:06] <_stink_> :)
[15:06] <rick_h_> byobu by default or something?
[15:06] <rick_h_> catching the alt?
[15:07] <_stink_> gnome-terminal?  i've had the same problem in xterm for years
[15:07] <_stink_> i just got used to esc.
[15:07] <snap-l> Not running byobu yet.
[15:07] <snap-l> gnome-terminal
[15:07] <snap-l> Maybe it's not working because I'm not running it with byobu yet. ;)
[15:12] <snap-l> The joys of setting up a new machine
[15:18] <snap-l> Hm... my graphics feel very jittery on this machine
[15:18] <snap-l> Running rsync, but everything feels sluggish
[15:28] <jrwren> change your scheduler?
[15:29] <jrwren> too much swapiness?
[15:29] <snap-l> Nah, I think it's something to do with some of the new "features"
[15:29] <_stink_> gJitter
[15:31] <krondor> wow this secureid stuff is huge, sophisticated attack on rsa secureid fully compromised, spiders into hacks on lockhead, northrup, etc.. scary stuff
[15:32] <jrwren> its bad ass.
[15:32] <jrwren> I've always hated SecureID
[15:32] <jrwren> its security through obscurity.
[15:32] <devinheitmueller> Serves them right for keeping the seeding material.  They deserve bankruptcy.
[15:32] <jrwren> it lulls CIOs into a false sense of security.. and now they get what they get
[15:33] <krondor> now is blizzard's chance!  WoW authenticator to the enterprise... actually I'm not sure if that is their own or actually RSA
[15:33] <devinheitmueller> I had access to the SecurID source code under NDA.  I lost all respect for them from a security perspective after reviewing it.
[15:33] <jrwren> well, EMC bought 'em... i don't think EMC will go bankrupt
[15:33] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: oh yeah? how were the tables generated?
[15:34] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: highly doubtful.  But a quarter of a billion dollar hit, not to mention their reputation will do quite a bit of damage.
[15:34] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: no comment.
[15:34] <krondor> EMC won't go bankrupt as long as they charge 15K for a disk in a san
[15:34] <rick_h_> that's the thing, you either get fewer breaks with a large silo
[15:34] <rick_h_> or a lot of little breaks, see this, EC2 downtime, etc
[15:34] <rick_h_> but the truth is, eventually things break
[15:35] <devinheitmueller> but but but the cloud never breaks!  That's the whole point!
[15:35] <jrwren> even my heart!
[15:35] <rick_h_> hah
[15:35] <krondor> jrwren:  aye, I want more body redundancy planning in me 2.0.  Less SPoFs for sure!
[15:36] <krondor> well actually I made a me 2.0 (well two of them) and they seem to have the same issues...
[15:36] <devinheitmueller> krondor: design defects.
[15:37] <_stink_> regressions?
[15:37] <devinheitmueller> bugs inherited from the parent source?
[15:38] <krondor> definitely and apparently it's been here since this project's inception.
[16:11] <greg-g> devinheitmueller: welcome to the channel, I don't think we've met before? And, I love your homepage "If you're using Google to look for some guy named Devin Heitmueller, then I'm the guy you're looking for."
[16:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: he's a CHC regular
[16:13] <rick_h_> at least for a year
[16:14] <greg-g> oh, well, that shows you how much I'm not a CHC regular :)
[16:14] <rick_h_> yea, all good. I started it because I didn't want to drive ot AA once a week
[16:15] <rick_h_> so can't blame AA for not driving to me once a week :P
[16:15] <greg-g> :)
[16:15]  * greg-g doesn't even go to the A2 version
[16:15] <greg-g> too startupy for my tastes ;)
[16:16] <brousch> zach steindler mentioned that he was re-vitalizing the AA CHC
[16:16] <brousch> heh
[16:18] <greg-g> well, to make up for it, I'll do some python this afternoon (icky python, messing with excel spreadsheets again)
[16:19] <brousch> better than messing with vba
[16:19] <greg-g> true
[16:19] <greg-g> but for now, I'm going to run and get an early lunch (which actually, is turning out no so early for me anymore, my new standard lunch time is 11:15)
[16:25] <jrwren> i don't think the AA guys meet anymore do they?
[16:25] <greg-g> on mondays now
[16:26] <greg-g> I think
[16:26] <jrwren> i should try to hit that
[16:26] <_stink_> ..
[16:28] <snap-l> I'd hit that. ;)
[16:32] <_stink_> i like snap-l's confidence.
[16:34] <devinheitmueller> greg-g: sorry, was afk.
[16:34] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, been going to CHC since October.
[16:36] <devinheitmueller> I'm also typically at the monthly MUG meeting.
[16:38] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: should give a 10-15 min at MUG this month :)
[16:39] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: on what topic?  Didn't I just do an hour and a half in December?  ;-)
[16:39] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: that's like half a year ago. the loco is taking over mug this month
[16:40] <rick_h_> and now that you're in the irc channel you're honorary mi-loco
[16:40] <devinheitmueller> "loco" ?
[16:40] <rick_h_> and obliged to impress the group with something for 1-15 :)
[16:40] <rick_h_> "Ubuntu Michigan Loco Team"
[16:40] <devinheitmueller> Ah
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Sorry, I don't keep up with all the Ubuntu-speak.  I'm only in this channel because of the CHC people.
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> :-)
[17:00] <greg-g> yeah, and because we're cool
[17:01] <greg-g> LoCo == Local Community
[17:03] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, a quick google search defined the term for me.  Thanks though.
[17:03] <greg-g> :)
[17:14] <snap-l> I think I need to come up with a crank-ometer for e-mail
[17:16] <snap-l> so when my mom sends me a forward from her friends about how Obama doesn't care about white people because the Dixie Chicks aren't singing in Joplin Missouri, which proves that there's a vast media conspiracy that will take over our lives, I can send a nice one-page score.
[17:16] <greg-g> ugh
[17:28] <snap-l> what's worse is my mom for whatever reason has become even more conservative as of late.
[17:28] <snap-l> Yet she still backs the unions and her pension.
[17:37] <snap-l> Anyone else upgraded to Natty?
[17:41] <greg-g> man, that case is big news
[17:41] <greg-g> sorry, I just have to tell everyone everywhere
[17:41] <snap-l> Yeah, it pretty much invalidates copyright for algorithms. :)
[17:42] <greg-g> which shouldnt' have been a question, and it is good that this is a summary judgment (ie: the judge didn't even need to hear any oral argument)
[17:42] <greg-g> but the case is full of great quotes to reference
[17:43] <greg-g> but it also said that descriptions of scientific fact, if expressed in a very obvious way, are also not protected by copyright. For example, "the Golden Gate Bridge is XXX feet long and YYY feet high."
[17:44] <snap-l> Gah, fetchmail / postfix just bounced all of my mail. :(
[17:44] <snap-l> and erased it too. Thanks.
[17:45] <_stink_> greg-g: oh wow, great news, eh?
[17:46] <greg-g> _stink_: awesome news
[17:48] <_stink_> so now we see what happens in other federal appeals circuits.
[17:50] <_stink_> appellate, i guess
[18:01] <greg-g> snap-l: did you get my message about MUG and John's talk on Lernid (re: your dent about bounced emails)
[18:01] <greg-g> I sent it yesterday afternoon, I believe
[18:04]  * greg-g goes down periscope
[18:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I did, but haven't had a chance to respond.
[19:00] <jrwren> which case invalidates (C) algo?
[19:03] <_stink_> jrwren: http://identi.ca/notice/75668196
[19:03] <_stink_> that's where i got it
[19:14] <jrwren> wait. "equations, figures, adn text" were not subject to (C)
[19:14] <jrwren> but... figures...
[19:14] <jrwren> figures is getting close to art.
[19:14] <jrwren> there are a lot of XKCD that aren't much mroe than some figures and text.
[19:16] <snap-l> Thing is, you could probably take any piece of work, and algorithmically break it down.
[19:16] <snap-l> The Mona Lisa as a PNG file
[19:16] <snap-l> xkcd, etc.
[20:21] <jcastro> snap-l: heya
[20:22] <jcastro> I might be selling my car before MUG, and jill has to teach
[20:22] <jcastro> so I might need a ride
[20:22] <snap-l> jcastro: OK. I need to figure out my own ride situation as well
[20:22] <jcastro> heh
[20:22] <snap-l> not sure if JoDee is going to school on that day
[20:22] <snap-l> but yeah, I'll come pick you up.
[20:22] <rick_h_> car pool!
[20:23] <rick_h_> I'll be down this way working in the office
[20:23] <jcastro> I checked and jill for sure is teaching
[20:24] <snap-l> OK, We'll figure something out
[20:24] <snap-l> But regardless I'll still pick  you up
[20:25] <snap-l> might be a little late to the meeting
[20:37] <snap-l> Wow, 98.1 according to the Wunderground
[20:46] <jrwren> !!!
[20:46] <jrwren> KARB says 91
[20:46] <jrwren> wunder personal station nearby says 95.5
[20:46] <snap-l> http://www.wunderground.com/US/MI/Royal_Oak.html
[20:47] <jrwren> 99.7 at another station
[20:47] <jrwren> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KMISALIN4
[20:47] <jrwren> 100.0 !!!
[20:47] <snap-l> I wonder how many of them are getting sunlight
[20:47] <jrwren> right
[20:47] <snap-l> Our outdoor thermometer is registering 117F
[20:48] <snap-l> but it's pretty much in direct sunlight
[20:48] <jrwren> O_O
[21:41] <rick_h_> yea, it's toasty
[21:41] <rick_h_> ty AC, how people live without I'll never know
[21:41] <The_Machine> ;-)
[21:43] <brousch> rick_h_: we didn't have AC at home until we had a kid
[21:43] <rick_h_> crazy people!
[21:43] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/#!/freep/status/78199281621807104
[21:43] <rick_h_> woot for records
[21:43] <brousch> fans and understanding airflow go a long way
[21:44] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, when our AC died we finished the summer without
[21:44] <rick_h_> but there were a few days we went to some early movies :)
[21:46]  * The_Machine didn't have AC growing up..  
[21:46] <The_Machine> my parents were mean.
[21:47] <brousch> didn't exist back then
[21:49] <The_Machine> i'm not that old :P
[21:50] <brousch> sorry, i read your nick as "Time_Machine"
[21:54] <jrwren> i didn't have AC growing up.
[21:54] <jrwren> i still don't need it.
[21:54] <jrwren> i like the heat.
[21:54] <jrwren> basements help too
[21:54] <rick_h_> ok that is awesome http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-shuttle-endeavour-docked-space-station-110607.html
[21:56] <snap-l> Yeah, JoDee's dad only has two window AC units
[21:56] <snap-l> one in the kitchen, and one in the bedroom
[21:56] <snap-l> were I to have my druthers, we'd have central air in this place.
[21:57] <rick_h_> I've said it before...there's you can't do at 78deg. No good reason for it to go over that
[21:57] <rick_h_> Where do I have to move for a season high of 78?
[21:57] <brousch> seattle
[21:58] <brousch> Summers are dry and warm, with average daytime highs around near 75 °F
[21:59] <brousch> Winters are cool and wet with average lows in the mid 30s
[21:59] <rick_h_> man, I need to off my in-laws so I can move to Seattle
[21:59] <brousch> also it is cloudy 200 days/yr so you won't get sun burned
[21:59] <rick_h_> that's good, I hate getting burned on my bald head
[22:00] <brousch> also, anywhere in canadaland would fit
[22:00] <rick_h_> shoot, I'm next door to CA now
[22:00] <rick_h_> but I didn't realize seattle was like that
[22:00] <rick_h_> I hear they have good coffee :)
[22:00] <rick_h_> The lowest recorded temperature was 11°F in 1989.
[22:01] <rick_h_> nice! no sub-zero either?
[22:01] <brousch> hm, wikipedia said 0F in 1950
[22:01] <brousch> outtie
[22:01] <rick_h_> crap, now I really want to move
[22:01] <rick_h_> that would rock
[22:02] <snap-l> rick_h_: They have shitty bands in Seattle
[22:02] <rick_h_> I'm sure amazon works
[22:02] <rick_h_> I don't do live music anyway
[22:02] <snap-l> No, I mean the climate there makes people miserable
[22:02] <snap-l> or think they're hipsters.
[22:03] <rick_h_> have you see DTW?
[22:03] <rick_h_> not exactly happy-ville
[22:03] <snap-l> Yeah, but it's misery with purpose;
[22:03] <rick_h_> lol
[22:04] <The_Machine> what's the purpose?!?!
[22:05] <snap-l> Shhhhh... don't give it away. ;)
[22:05]  * The_Machine gives a murderous look
[22:20] <jrwren> Seattle climate is awesome. Its the suburb cities I dont' like.  Seattle proper is sweet.
[22:33] <snap-l> I really wish Banshee supported both freedb and musicbrainz
[22:37] <snap-l> OK, seriously? I deleted one album from Music, and now Banshee is hanging
[22:39] <snap-l> I think the community needs to lay off the crack pipe
[22:39] <snap-l> Seriously, some pretty bad decisions coming forth
[22:44] <snap-l> Ah, OK, I recant
[22:44] <snap-l> Apparently my Ubuntu One finshed around the same time
[22:44] <snap-l> so it was rescanning