| wrst | cyberanger: know any goodisps? | 01:44 |
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| Unit193 | wrst: Having issues with yours? | 01:46 |
| wrst | Unit193: day 3 without internet | 02:38 |
| Unit193 | Baaa... No fun! | 02:38 |
| wrst | not at all phone is not the same | 03:20 |
| orias | :( | 03:56 |
| cyberanger | wrst: nobody specifically to your area, but you could run a few options to fill the void | 05:18 |
| cyberanger | wrst: what are you thinking? I know isps there, options there, but I've never been there to know if their good | 05:23 |
| cyberanger | and solutions to plug some gaps | 05:23 |
| wrst | cyberanger: any option is better than not working | 11:32 |
| cyberanger | wrst: what's your router (and how are you on irc atm) | 15:33 |
| wrst | i'm on a buddy of mine's server in PA cyberanger | 15:34 |
| wrst | my router is a linksys running dd-wrt | 15:34 |
| wrst | my problem is from the modem back somewhere | 15:34 |
| wrst | cyberanger: as I have seen from you its always good to have backups ;) | 15:35 |
| wrst | the guy is at my house right now I'm hoping to see myself reappear | 15:35 |
| Svpernova09 | >.< | 15:44 |
| Svpernova09 | What area are you in wrst ? | 15:44 |
| wrst | livingston Svpernova09 | 15:44 |
| wrst | that's in the cookeville area | 15:45 |
| wrst | I pretty much have DSL option, or an option for a cable company that is just as high and slow as the DSL | 15:45 |
| wrst | or satellite dial up options | 15:45 |
| wrst | best I can tell atleast | 15:45 |
| Svpernova09 | ouch | 15:46 |
| wrst | unless someone knows some great secret :) | 15:47 |
| wrst | Svpernova09: its a little frustrating :) | 15:48 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yes, seems to help | 15:48 |
| Svpernova09 | I bet | 15:49 |
| wrst | If I were in town I could be on comcast they aren't always up but atleast they are always fast | 15:49 |
| wrst | except when they aren't up but everyone's tech support sucks | 15:50 |
| cyberanger | wrst: how are you online now, vzw droid? | 15:53 |
| wrst | I'm at work cyberanger | 15:54 |
| wrst | last night on my droid | 15:54 |
| wrst | i tried some tether apps on the droid but no luck I need to root it | 15:54 |
| cyberanger | wrst: and we aim for high tech support here (and T-Mobile seems to have their stuff down, Virgin Mobile (to a lesser extent) seems good, I know that's celluar, but for a backup option it's worthwhile) | 15:54 |
| cyberanger | wrst: your droid is sprint or vzw? | 15:55 |
| wrst | vzw | 15:55 |
| wrst | cyberanger: who are you working for now? | 15:55 |
| cyberanger | I'm suprised you hadn't rooted yet, I waited a month, due to the T-Mobile G2's issue with NAND Locking, rooted it shortly after that patch | 15:56 |
| wrst | cyberanger: really had no reason to... until now :) | 15:56 |
| Svpernova09 | <3 my rooted android | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | wrst: well, anywhere I work, I aim high, but most stuff is with cooks custom computers | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | here in town | 15:57 |
| wrst | ahh you are freelancing? | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | (still head to chattanooga on occasions, and some other firms, but mainly freelance & cooks custom) | 15:58 |
| cyberanger | wrst: I rooted for better vpn and proxy support (found enough apps transmitted in the clear, at least over a wifi hotspot, no good) | 15:59 |
| wrst | cyberanger: cooks looks to be a pretty neat place just gave them the ol' like on facebook | 16:00 |
| cyberanger | thanks | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | wrst: well, I'd wait for stable internet before I'd root | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | do you have a working modem? | 16:08 |
| wrst | cyberanger: I'm really amazed at the ISP's here how they do not have a person that is solid on networking | 16:08 |
| wrst | cyberanger: I had one in the laptop that just fried :) | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | oh, ouch | 16:09 |
| cyberanger | well, you could get a usb modem with virgin mobile, should be cheaper now, but not too cheap | 16:09 |
| cyberanger | prepaid, I set that up as my fallback | 16:10 |
| cyberanger | and my G2 is my primary | 16:10 |
| cyberanger | (the Virgin Mobile is capped now, so the amount of traffic matters, part of why that's the fallback | 16:11 |
| wrst | well I don't really ever need such as that usually | 16:11 |
| cyberanger | instead of primary) | 16:12 |
| cyberanger | (even though that's got higher speed, t-mobile isn't 3g here, sprint is) | 16:12 |
| cyberanger | well, it's hardware cost, if you use it once a year (and it's cheap enough to insure you do (say for a family trip)) | 16:13 |
| cyberanger | it's cheap enough | 16:13 |
| cyberanger | there just isn't alot of options anywhere, and it sounds like your area is worse, dsl only hardwire option | 16:14 |
| cyberanger | dsl cable, celluar and satellite, that's 95% of consumer options it seems | 16:14 |
| wrst | we have a cable option but its a stinky one | 16:19 |
| cyberanger | wrst: if dsl is the best and down now, without knowing vzw's tethering policy (and enforcement) as well as I did | 16:27 |
| cyberanger | I'd suggest the virgin moble broadband2go options as a backup plan | 16:28 |
| cyberanger | unless you feel like dialup (and since dial-up and dsl are over the same wire, better odds both would fail) | 16:28 |
| wrst | cyberanger: one shouldn't need a "backup plan" really I don't have to have internet to live but one shouldn't be fighting the supprot system for 3 days | 16:46 |
| cyberanger | yep, which is why the times I don't need it, there is still a plan to have it | 16:58 |
| cyberanger | and some stopgap measures, like a list of hotspots | 17:10 |
| wrst | ha ha had the phone guy trying to use ubuntu to setup the network :) | 17:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | iOS 5 & Mac OS X 10.7 are looking pretty sweet | 17:41 |
| cyberanger | wrst: lol oh boy | 17:44 |
| wrst | cyberanger: think I have internet, he messed with wiring.. I will have to fix :) | 17:50 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: I was wondering about that | 17:50 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: you should check out the "iCloud" tech | 17:50 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: http://developer.apple.com/icloud | 17:51 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: here is a more consumer oriented description http://www.apple.com/icloud/ | 17:51 |
| pace_t_zulu | i've got iOS 5 installed on my iPhone already ... thinking about going ahead and installing 10.7 Developer Preview 4 ... | 17:52 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: on first glance looks like what dropbox does for me already | 17:52 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: on the surface yes | 17:52 |
| wrst | looks like its integrated into the apps | 17:52 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: but there are APIs to integrate iCloud services directly into apps | 17:52 |
| wrst | looks cool pace_t_zulu, but think I will still stay away :) | 17:52 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: it looks like what ubuntu wants to do with ubuntuone | 17:53 |
| wrst | yes seems like wherever OS X goes ubuntu is not far behind :0 | 17:53 |
| wrst | and that isn't really a bad thing either | 17:53 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: trouble is that ubuntu (and linux as a whole) lack coherent enough APIs to have such a clean implementation | 17:54 |
| wrst | yes agreed | 17:54 |
| wrst | may try to get my wife to upgrade to 10.7 | 17:55 |
| wrst | she is running 10.5 right now pace_t_zulu is that possible? | 17:55 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i would do 10.6 first.... | 17:56 |
| pace_t_zulu | honestly ... when 10.7 comes out (or before) upgrade to 10.6 | 17:56 |
| wrst | ok | 17:56 |
| pace_t_zulu | developers right now are target 10.5 | 17:56 |
| pace_t_zulu | when 10.7 comes out they will start targeting 106 | 17:56 |
| pace_t_zulu | *10.6 | 17:56 |
| pace_t_zulu | it makes more sense for devs to run the latest and greatest ... but they generally target the previous release as the base system | 17:57 |
| wrst | ok makes sense and upgrading is cheap | 17:57 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: plus when 10.7 comes out it will probably have a few bugs to iron out | 17:58 |
| wrst | everything always does regardless | 17:58 |
| pace_t_zulu | i'd only consider 10.7 for your wife after 10.7.2 or later ... after they've had to iron out bugs | 17:58 |
| wrst | does upgrading work fairly easily pace_t_zulu? | 17:58 |
| pace_t_zulu | it's a very different equation for a consumer like your wife than it is for a developer | 17:58 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: smooth as shit out a duck's ass | 17:59 |
| wrst | oh yes | 17:59 |
| wrst | gotcha pace_t_zulu ;) | 17:59 |
| wrst | figured that to be the case, windows upgrades well that's an oxymoron ubuntu generally is smoothe | 17:59 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: provided you haven't modified the system in any unusual ways ... and she doesn't run any exotic software/hardware | 17:59 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i assume your wife (a teacher if i recall correctly) would have basics like microsoft office - nothing more exotic than that kind of thing | 18:00 |
| cyberanger | if I wanted a Mac, I'd buy one | 18:02 |
| cyberanger | :-/ | 18:02 |
| wrst | yes pace_t_zulu that's it | 18:03 |
| wrst | ms office is the biggest thing | 18:03 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: should go smoothly | 18:03 |
| wrst | cool | 18:04 |
| wrst | may order a disk and do it | 18:04 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i wouldn't worry about 10.7 (Lion) unless there are specific features your wife wants .... like iCloud | 18:04 |
| cyberanger | I'm loving the Google Music beta myself, I just wonder where either implementation differes from lala.com last year | 18:04 |
| cyberanger | (when Apple Bought it and shut it down) | 18:04 |
| pace_t_zulu | i hear amazon's cloud offers some sort of music streaming service ... | 18:06 |
| cyberanger | yeah, for a little while now | 18:13 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: did i ever tell you about my first full month's bill for my cloud machine? | 18:17 |
| wrst | no? | 18:18 |
| vychune | o/ | 18:19 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: high or low | 18:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | i'll let you guys put in your guesses ;) | 18:20 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: more than free (my cost so far with amazon) | 18:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i'd like to hear more about how you're doing that... | 18:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | if i can get it going for free ... even better | 18:22 |
| cyberanger | http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2658409011 | 18:23 |
| cyberanger | if you buy on amazon, stored for free, bought an album, got the upgrade to 20GB | 18:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | oh... if you buy music from amazon ... | 18:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | not interested | 18:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: a guess as to what the bill for a full month was? | 18:25 |
| cyberanger | well, you can still add your own pace_t_zulu | 18:25 |
| cyberanger | just happened they had the best price for an album I couldn't get locally | 18:25 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: do you get console access to the cloud machine? | 18:25 |
| cyberanger | unsure (only used it on android so far) | 18:25 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: I have no clue at all :) | 18:26 |
| cyberanger | anyhow, solely becuase I bought one album I was gonna buy for free, I got 20Gb storage for free | 18:26 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: come to think of it, I think that flash is involved, so no console access at this time | 18:33 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: they give 5GB for free as is, and don't count anything from their store | 18:41 |
| cyberanger | if you like something they have, as I did (they were the cheapest) that's why I grabbed the upgrade | 18:42 |
| cyberanger | idk, I'm liking Google Music Beta even more though | 18:42 |
| Unit193 | wrst: Using AndChat? | 19:11 |
| wrst | Unit193: no using quassel I have a core on a buddy of mine's server I use for a backup | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | I missed the quassel part... | 19:13 |
| wrst | Unit193: I'm a huge quassel fan | 19:14 |
| cyberanger | yeah, and I give wrst a hard time over it | 19:14 |
| wrst | but cyberanger its server based software so it sorta skirts the issues you have :P | 19:15 |
| wrst | electricus: ping | 19:15 |
| cyberanger | wrst: the one where xorg isn't required? ;-) | 19:15 |
| cyberanger | I have too many issues man, that's gonna be a losing battle ;-) | 19:16 |
| wrst | cyberanger: one thing is true you have issues ;) | 19:16 |
| Unit193 | Nice one! | 19:17 |
| electricus | hello | 19:17 |
| vychune | o/ | 19:17 |
| wrst | ha electricus just making sure you were still with us :) | 19:17 |
| electricus | i'm heading back to the office.. i'll catch up with you in a bit | 19:17 |
| * wrst hopes he didn't over use the power of the ping | 19:17 | |
| cyberanger | pong | 19:18 |
| cyberanger | when your laptop has a dns server on it, you know there is issues | 19:19 |
| wrst | cyberanger: yes :) | 19:19 |
| wrst | you have issues, but admiting it is the first step, so you are ready for step 2 | 19:19 |
| cyberanger | lol | 19:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | sorry... stepped out for lunch | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | I'm SSH'ing into a computer then SSH'ing into another one from there so I can connect to my screen session because I can't seem to connect from this computer! :P | 19:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst cyberanger ... month of may cost me $1.01 ... cloud machine ran 24/7 except for reboots for kernel upgrades | 19:23 |
| wrst | wow pace_t_zulu, was that amazon? | 19:23 |
| cyberanger | oh, misunderstood pace_t_zulu | 19:26 |
| cyberanger | I thought you were talking about icloud and such | 19:26 |
| cyberanger | music storage and such | 19:26 |
| cyberanger | that's rather cheap, neat | 19:26 |
| pace_t_zulu | that is my ec2 machine on amazon | 19:27 |
| pace_t_zulu | running ubuntu 10.04 LTS | 19:27 |
| wrst | whoa cool pace_t_zulu, that's about worth having | 19:27 |
| wrst | just for a shell account | 19:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: exactly | 19:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i bet that is less than what you pay for the power draw on your server alone | 19:28 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: if I ever get internet again I might look at doing that :) | 19:28 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: I'm betting you are exactly correct | 19:28 |
| cyberanger | wrst: toss in a quassel core<scratch that>irssi & screen combo</scratch that> | 19:28 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst and cyberanger i'd highly recommend setting up a micro-tier ec2 deployment with amazon | 19:29 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: yea... for the persistent connection to IRC alone - that's worth more than $1/month for me | 19:29 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: I use my server at home for a file/print server, but that's still tempting | 19:30 |
| pace_t_zulu | and the other thing is you can setup openvpn ... and tunnel all your connections through the cloud machine when you are on an untrusted network - like wifi in a coffeeshop or airport | 19:30 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: but connection uptime is irrelevant for those applications | 19:31 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: or even use ssh for that, but yeah, needed until android app developers update | 19:31 |
| wrst | true pace_t_zulu and they are working fine at home right now while i have no internet :) | 19:31 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i set it up for my new macbook pro ... gives you piece of mind | 19:31 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: there is a sweet little app that detects an untrusted network and automatically switches on the tunnelling | 19:32 |
| cyberanger | yeah (however I'd just tunnel to squid and use iptables, or a mac's case ipfw) | 19:32 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger and wrst the name of that app is Sidestep ... http://chetansurpur.com/projects/sidestep/ | 19:32 |
| wrst | cool pace_t_zulu | 19:33 |
| wrst | niced | 19:33 |
| wrst | *nice | 19:33 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: i've never done much ssh tunnelling ... i've successfully established them .... but never used them effectively | 19:33 |
| * wrst is too lazy to dig tunnels | 19:33 | |
| cyberanger | and instead of detecting an untrusted, I prefer to presume untrusted, and upgrade to trusted as I trust them | 19:33 |
| wrst | cyberanger the eternal conspiracy theorist :P | 19:34 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger and wrst so that link i just posted was for side step ... but that's how i came across this page that is a guide for setting up the EC2 micro-tier deployment.... http://www.stratumsecurity.com/blog/2010/12/03/shearing-firesheep-with-the-cloud/ | 19:34 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: you should check out this link ^ | 19:43 |
| wrst | I am :) | 19:43 |
| cyberanger | wrst: not all conspiracies are just theroies | 19:50 |
| cyberanger | and keep in mind, firesheep made it easy | 19:50 |
| cyberanger | lifehacker made wep cracking easier | 19:51 |
| cyberanger | wireshark can decrypt wpa2 if you know the keys | 19:51 |
| cyberanger | so all hotspots I use are on the untrusted list, plus with android's issue, I don't trust some additional ones | 19:52 |
| wrst | so trust no one cyberanger? actually probably the best way to go | 19:54 |
| cyberanger | in terms of networking, if you don't control it, who does? | 19:54 |
| cyberanger | yeah | 19:54 |
| cyberanger | I cannot stand how much data android sends in clear (due to developer coding, that is) | 19:56 |
| cyberanger | so with work (for example) I know I can audit things well, IDS too | 19:56 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i pretty much treat my android as I'm broadcasting everything to the world | 19:56 |
| cyberanger | but there are limits, and a vpn is just too simple | 19:56 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, but it's still nice to have some control | 19:59 |
| cyberanger | and I try very very hard to lock my gear down (unfortunately, android isn't that simple yet, it's a gaping hole in comparison) | 20:00 |
| wrst | yes | 20:07 |
| electricus | man.. what a week! | 21:17 |
| electricus | i'm swamped | 21:17 |
| cyberanger | hi swamped, I mean electricus | 21:17 |
| electricus | ever have those days where you are pulled in so many directions you feel like you aren't getting anything done? haha | 21:17 |
| cyberanger | what's pulling you down | 21:17 |
| cyberanger | yeah, yesterday moreso than today | 21:18 |
| electricus | oh just a bunch of hand-holding with people that never should use a computer | 21:18 |
| wrst | electricus: yes, and hate to tell you this the day is just about over :) | 21:18 |
| cyberanger | had those days too, less often (somehow I manage to dodge that) | 21:18 |
| cyberanger | wrst: over? I missed the memo | 22:27 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: ping | 22:27 |
| wrst | ha ha cyberanger | 22:27 |
| cyberanger | I thought it just began | 22:30 |
| cyberanger | perhaps since I've been up since the crack of noon | 22:32 |
| cyberanger | ;-) | 22:33 |
| cyberanger | (or I think that's right, I set my clock a few hours fast, and throw it in the rubbish bin when it goes off ZzzZZz) | 22:33 |
| cyberanger | wrst: now the day is ending | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | biab | 22:46 |
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