[01:44] cyberanger: know any goodisps? [01:46] wrst: Having issues with yours? [02:38] Unit193: day 3 without internet [02:38] Baaa... No fun! [03:20] not at all phone is not the same [03:56] :( [05:18] wrst: nobody specifically to your area, but you could run a few options to fill the void [05:23] wrst: what are you thinking? I know isps there, options there, but I've never been there to know if their good [05:23] and solutions to plug some gaps [11:32] cyberanger: any option is better than not working [15:33] wrst: what's your router (and how are you on irc atm) [15:34] i'm on a buddy of mine's server in PA cyberanger [15:34] my router is a linksys running dd-wrt [15:34] my problem is from the modem back somewhere [15:35] cyberanger: as I have seen from you its always good to have backups ;) [15:35] the guy is at my house right now I'm hoping to see myself reappear [15:44] >.< [15:44] What area are you in wrst ? [15:44] livingston Svpernova09 [15:45] that's in the cookeville area [15:45] I pretty much have DSL option, or an option for a cable company that is just as high and slow as the DSL [15:45] or satellite dial up options [15:45] best I can tell atleast [15:46] ouch [15:47] unless someone knows some great secret :) [15:48] Svpernova09: its a little frustrating :) [15:48] wrst: yes, seems to help [15:49] I bet [15:49] If I were in town I could be on comcast they aren't always up but atleast they are always fast [15:50] except when they aren't up but everyone's tech support sucks [15:53] wrst: how are you online now, vzw droid? [15:54] I'm at work cyberanger [15:54] last night on my droid [15:54] i tried some tether apps on the droid but no luck I need to root it [15:54] wrst: and we aim for high tech support here (and T-Mobile seems to have their stuff down, Virgin Mobile (to a lesser extent) seems good, I know that's celluar, but for a backup option it's worthwhile) [15:55] wrst: your droid is sprint or vzw? [15:55] vzw [15:55] cyberanger: who are you working for now? [15:56] I'm suprised you hadn't rooted yet, I waited a month, due to the T-Mobile G2's issue with NAND Locking, rooted it shortly after that patch [15:56] cyberanger: really had no reason to... until now :) [15:57] <3 my rooted android [15:57] wrst: well, anywhere I work, I aim high, but most stuff is with cooks custom computers [15:57] here in town [15:57] ahh you are freelancing? [15:58] (still head to chattanooga on occasions, and some other firms, but mainly freelance & cooks custom) [15:59] wrst: I rooted for better vpn and proxy support (found enough apps transmitted in the clear, at least over a wifi hotspot, no good) [16:00] cyberanger: cooks looks to be a pretty neat place just gave them the ol' like on facebook [16:08] thanks [16:08] wrst: well, I'd wait for stable internet before I'd root [16:08] do you have a working modem? [16:08] cyberanger: I'm really amazed at the ISP's here how they do not have a person that is solid on networking [16:08] cyberanger: I had one in the laptop that just fried :) [16:09] oh, ouch [16:09] well, you could get a usb modem with virgin mobile, should be cheaper now, but not too cheap [16:10] prepaid, I set that up as my fallback [16:10] and my G2 is my primary [16:11] (the Virgin Mobile is capped now, so the amount of traffic matters, part of why that's the fallback [16:11] well I don't really ever need such as that usually [16:12] instead of primary) [16:12] (even though that's got higher speed, t-mobile isn't 3g here, sprint is) [16:13] well, it's hardware cost, if you use it once a year (and it's cheap enough to insure you do (say for a family trip)) [16:13] it's cheap enough [16:14] there just isn't alot of options anywhere, and it sounds like your area is worse, dsl only hardwire option [16:14] dsl cable, celluar and satellite, that's 95% of consumer options it seems [16:19] we have a cable option but its a stinky one [16:27] wrst: if dsl is the best and down now, without knowing vzw's tethering policy (and enforcement) as well as I did [16:28] I'd suggest the virgin moble broadband2go options as a backup plan [16:28] unless you feel like dialup (and since dial-up and dsl are over the same wire, better odds both would fail) [16:46] cyberanger: one shouldn't need a "backup plan" really I don't have to have internet to live but one shouldn't be fighting the supprot system for 3 days [16:58] yep, which is why the times I don't need it, there is still a plan to have it [17:10] and some stopgap measures, like a list of hotspots [17:24] ha ha had the phone guy trying to use ubuntu to setup the network :) [17:41] iOS 5 & Mac OS X 10.7 are looking pretty sweet [17:44] wrst: lol oh boy [17:50] cyberanger: think I have internet, he messed with wiring.. I will have to fix :) [17:50] pace_t_zulu: I was wondering about that [17:50] wrst: you should check out the "iCloud" tech [17:51] wrst: http://developer.apple.com/icloud [17:51] wrst: here is a more consumer oriented description http://www.apple.com/icloud/ [17:52] i've got iOS 5 installed on my iPhone already ... thinking about going ahead and installing 10.7 Developer Preview 4 ... [17:52] pace_t_zulu: on first glance looks like what dropbox does for me already [17:52] wrst: on the surface yes [17:52] looks like its integrated into the apps [17:52] wrst: but there are APIs to integrate iCloud services directly into apps [17:52] looks cool pace_t_zulu, but think I will still stay away :) [17:53] wrst: it looks like what ubuntu wants to do with ubuntuone [17:53] yes seems like wherever OS X goes ubuntu is not far behind :0 [17:53] and that isn't really a bad thing either [17:54] wrst: trouble is that ubuntu (and linux as a whole) lack coherent enough APIs to have such a clean implementation [17:54] yes agreed [17:55] may try to get my wife to upgrade to 10.7 [17:55] she is running 10.5 right now pace_t_zulu is that possible? [17:56] wrst: i would do 10.6 first.... [17:56] honestly ... when 10.7 comes out (or before) upgrade to 10.6 [17:56] ok [17:56] developers right now are target 10.5 [17:56] when 10.7 comes out they will start targeting 106 [17:56] *10.6 [17:57] it makes more sense for devs to run the latest and greatest ... but they generally target the previous release as the base system [17:57] ok makes sense and upgrading is cheap [17:58] wrst: plus when 10.7 comes out it will probably have a few bugs to iron out [17:58] everything always does regardless [17:58] i'd only consider 10.7 for your wife after 10.7.2 or later ... after they've had to iron out bugs [17:58] does upgrading work fairly easily pace_t_zulu? [17:58] it's a very different equation for a consumer like your wife than it is for a developer [17:59] wrst: smooth as shit out a duck's ass [17:59] oh yes [17:59] gotcha pace_t_zulu ;) [17:59] figured that to be the case, windows upgrades well that's an oxymoron ubuntu generally is smoothe [17:59] wrst: provided you haven't modified the system in any unusual ways ... and she doesn't run any exotic software/hardware [18:00] wrst: i assume your wife (a teacher if i recall correctly) would have basics like microsoft office - nothing more exotic than that kind of thing [18:02] if I wanted a Mac, I'd buy one [18:02] :-/ [18:03] yes pace_t_zulu that's it [18:03] ms office is the biggest thing [18:03] wrst: should go smoothly [18:04] cool [18:04] may order a disk and do it [18:04] wrst: i wouldn't worry about 10.7 (Lion) unless there are specific features your wife wants .... like iCloud [18:04] I'm loving the Google Music beta myself, I just wonder where either implementation differes from lala.com last year [18:04] (when Apple Bought it and shut it down) [18:06] i hear amazon's cloud offers some sort of music streaming service ... [18:13] yeah, for a little while now [18:17] wrst: did i ever tell you about my first full month's bill for my cloud machine? [18:18] no? [18:19] o/ [18:19] pace_t_zulu: high or low [18:20] i'll let you guys put in your guesses ;) [18:21] pace_t_zulu: more than free (my cost so far with amazon) [18:22] cyberanger: i'd like to hear more about how you're doing that... [18:22] if i can get it going for free ... even better [18:23] http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2658409011 [18:23] if you buy on amazon, stored for free, bought an album, got the upgrade to 20GB [18:24] oh... if you buy music from amazon ... [18:24] not interested [18:25] wrst: a guess as to what the bill for a full month was? [18:25] well, you can still add your own pace_t_zulu [18:25] just happened they had the best price for an album I couldn't get locally [18:25] cyberanger: do you get console access to the cloud machine? [18:25] unsure (only used it on android so far) [18:26] pace_t_zulu: I have no clue at all :) [18:26] anyhow, solely becuase I bought one album I was gonna buy for free, I got 20Gb storage for free [18:33] pace_t_zulu: come to think of it, I think that flash is involved, so no console access at this time [18:41] pace_t_zulu: they give 5GB for free as is, and don't count anything from their store [18:42] if you like something they have, as I did (they were the cheapest) that's why I grabbed the upgrade [18:42] idk, I'm liking Google Music Beta even more though [19:11] wrst: Using AndChat? [19:12] Unit193: no using quassel I have a core on a buddy of mine's server I use for a backup [19:13] I missed the quassel part... [19:14] Unit193: I'm a huge quassel fan [19:14] yeah, and I give wrst a hard time over it [19:15] but cyberanger its server based software so it sorta skirts the issues you have :P [19:15] electricus: ping [19:15] wrst: the one where xorg isn't required? ;-) [19:16] I have too many issues man, that's gonna be a losing battle ;-) [19:16] cyberanger: one thing is true you have issues ;) [19:17] Nice one! [19:17] hello [19:17] o/ [19:17] ha electricus just making sure you were still with us :) [19:17] i'm heading back to the office.. i'll catch up with you in a bit [19:17] * wrst hopes he didn't over use the power of the ping [19:18] pong [19:19] when your laptop has a dns server on it, you know there is issues [19:19] cyberanger: yes :) [19:19] you have issues, but admiting it is the first step, so you are ready for step 2 [19:20] lol [19:22] sorry... stepped out for lunch [19:22] I'm SSH'ing into a computer then SSH'ing into another one from there so I can connect to my screen session because I can't seem to connect from this computer! :P [19:23] wrst cyberanger ... month of may cost me $1.01 ... cloud machine ran 24/7 except for reboots for kernel upgrades [19:23] wow pace_t_zulu, was that amazon? [19:26] oh, misunderstood pace_t_zulu [19:26] I thought you were talking about icloud and such [19:26] music storage and such [19:26] that's rather cheap, neat [19:27] that is my ec2 machine on amazon [19:27] running ubuntu 10.04 LTS [19:27] whoa cool pace_t_zulu, that's about worth having [19:28] just for a shell account [19:28] wrst: exactly [19:28] wrst: i bet that is less than what you pay for the power draw on your server alone [19:28] pace_t_zulu: if I ever get internet again I might look at doing that :) [19:28] pace_t_zulu: I'm betting you are exactly correct [19:28] wrst: toss in a quassel coreirssi & screen combo [19:29] wrst and cyberanger i'd highly recommend setting up a micro-tier ec2 deployment with amazon [19:29] cyberanger: yea... for the persistent connection to IRC alone - that's worth more than $1/month for me [19:30] pace_t_zulu: I use my server at home for a file/print server, but that's still tempting [19:30] and the other thing is you can setup openvpn ... and tunnel all your connections through the cloud machine when you are on an untrusted network - like wifi in a coffeeshop or airport [19:31] wrst: but connection uptime is irrelevant for those applications [19:31] pace_t_zulu: or even use ssh for that, but yeah, needed until android app developers update [19:31] true pace_t_zulu and they are working fine at home right now while i have no internet :) [19:31] cyberanger: i set it up for my new macbook pro ... gives you piece of mind [19:32] cyberanger: there is a sweet little app that detects an untrusted network and automatically switches on the tunnelling [19:32] yeah (however I'd just tunnel to squid and use iptables, or a mac's case ipfw) [19:32] cyberanger and wrst the name of that app is Sidestep ... http://chetansurpur.com/projects/sidestep/ [19:33] cool pace_t_zulu [19:33] niced [19:33] *nice [19:33] cyberanger: i've never done much ssh tunnelling ... i've successfully established them .... but never used them effectively [19:33] * wrst is too lazy to dig tunnels [19:33] and instead of detecting an untrusted, I prefer to presume untrusted, and upgrade to trusted as I trust them [19:34] cyberanger the eternal conspiracy theorist :P [19:34] cyberanger and wrst so that link i just posted was for side step ... but that's how i came across this page that is a guide for setting up the EC2 micro-tier deployment.... http://www.stratumsecurity.com/blog/2010/12/03/shearing-firesheep-with-the-cloud/ [19:43] wrst: you should check out this link ^ [19:43] I am :) [19:50] wrst: not all conspiracies are just theroies [19:50] and keep in mind, firesheep made it easy [19:51] lifehacker made wep cracking easier [19:51] wireshark can decrypt wpa2 if you know the keys [19:52] so all hotspots I use are on the untrusted list, plus with android's issue, I don't trust some additional ones [19:54] so trust no one cyberanger? actually probably the best way to go [19:54] in terms of networking, if you don't control it, who does? [19:54] yeah [19:56] I cannot stand how much data android sends in clear (due to developer coding, that is) [19:56] so with work (for example) I know I can audit things well, IDS too [19:56] cyberanger: i pretty much treat my android as I'm broadcasting everything to the world [19:56] but there are limits, and a vpn is just too simple [19:59] wrst: yeah, but it's still nice to have some control [20:00] and I try very very hard to lock my gear down (unfortunately, android isn't that simple yet, it's a gaping hole in comparison) [20:07] yes [21:17] man.. what a week! [21:17] i'm swamped [21:17] hi swamped, I mean electricus [21:17] ever have those days where you are pulled in so many directions you feel like you aren't getting anything done? haha [21:17] what's pulling you down [21:18] yeah, yesterday moreso than today [21:18] oh just a bunch of hand-holding with people that never should use a computer [21:18] electricus: yes, and hate to tell you this the day is just about over :) [21:18] had those days too, less often (somehow I manage to dodge that) [22:27] wrst: over? I missed the memo [22:27] pace_t_zulu: ping [22:27] ha ha cyberanger [22:30] I thought it just began [22:32] perhaps since I've been up since the crack of noon [22:33] ;-) [22:33] (or I think that's right, I set my clock a few hours fast, and throw it in the rubbish bin when it goes off ZzzZZz) [22:46] wrst: now the day is ending [22:46] biab