[01:44] <wrst> cyberanger: know any goodisps?
[01:46] <Unit193> wrst: Having issues with yours?
[02:38] <wrst> Unit193: day 3 without internet
[02:38] <Unit193> Baaa... No fun!
[03:20] <wrst> not at all phone is not the same
[03:56] <orias> :(
[05:18] <cyberanger> wrst: nobody specifically to your area, but you could run a few options to fill the void
[05:23] <cyberanger> wrst: what are you thinking? I know isps there, options there, but I've never been there to know if their good
[05:23] <cyberanger> and solutions to plug some gaps
[11:32] <wrst> cyberanger: any option is better than not working
[15:33] <cyberanger> wrst: what's your router (and how are you on irc atm)
[15:34] <wrst> i'm on a buddy of mine's server in PA cyberanger
[15:34] <wrst> my router is a linksys running dd-wrt
[15:34] <wrst> my problem is from the modem back somewhere
[15:35] <wrst> cyberanger: as I have seen from you its always good to have backups ;)
[15:35] <wrst> the guy is at my house right now I'm hoping to see myself reappear
[15:44] <Svpernova09> >.<
[15:44] <Svpernova09> What area are you in wrst ?
[15:44] <wrst> livingston Svpernova09
[15:45] <wrst> that's in the cookeville area
[15:45] <wrst> I pretty much have DSL option, or an option for a cable company that is just as high and slow as the DSL
[15:45] <wrst> or satellite dial up options
[15:45] <wrst> best I can tell atleast
[15:46] <Svpernova09> ouch
[15:47] <wrst> unless someone knows some great secret :)
[15:48] <wrst> Svpernova09: its a little frustrating :)
[15:48] <cyberanger> wrst: yes, seems to help
[15:49] <Svpernova09> I bet
[15:49] <wrst> If I were in town I could be on comcast they aren't always up but atleast they are always fast
[15:50] <wrst> except when they aren't up but everyone's tech support sucks
[15:53] <cyberanger> wrst: how are you online now, vzw droid?
[15:54] <wrst> I'm at work cyberanger
[15:54] <wrst> last night on my droid
[15:54] <wrst> i tried some tether apps on the droid but no luck I need to root it
[15:54] <cyberanger> wrst: and we aim for high tech support here (and T-Mobile seems to have their stuff down, Virgin Mobile (to a lesser extent) seems good, I know that's celluar, but for a backup option it's worthwhile)
[15:55] <cyberanger> wrst: your droid is sprint or vzw?
[15:55] <wrst> vzw
[15:55] <wrst> cyberanger: who are you working for now?
[15:56] <cyberanger> I'm suprised you hadn't rooted yet, I waited a month, due to the T-Mobile G2's issue with NAND Locking, rooted it shortly after that patch
[15:56] <wrst> cyberanger: really had no reason to... until now :)
[15:57] <Svpernova09> <3 my rooted android
[15:57] <cyberanger> wrst: well, anywhere I work, I aim high, but most stuff is with cooks custom computers
[15:57] <cyberanger> here in town
[15:57] <wrst> ahh you are freelancing?
[15:58] <cyberanger> (still head to chattanooga on occasions, and some other firms, but mainly freelance & cooks custom)
[15:59] <cyberanger> wrst: I rooted for better vpn and proxy support (found enough apps transmitted in the clear, at least over a wifi hotspot, no good)
[16:00] <wrst> cyberanger: cooks looks to be a pretty neat place just gave them the ol' like on facebook
[16:08] <cyberanger> thanks
[16:08] <cyberanger> wrst: well, I'd wait for stable internet before I'd root
[16:08] <cyberanger> do you have a working modem?
[16:08] <wrst> cyberanger: I'm really amazed at the ISP's here how they do not have a person that is solid on networking
[16:08] <wrst> cyberanger: I had one in the laptop that just fried :)
[16:09] <cyberanger> oh, ouch
[16:09] <cyberanger> well, you could get a usb modem with virgin mobile, should be cheaper now, but not too cheap
[16:10] <cyberanger> prepaid, I set that up as my fallback
[16:10] <cyberanger> and my G2 is my primary
[16:11] <cyberanger> (the Virgin Mobile is capped now, so the amount of traffic matters, part of why that's the fallback
[16:11] <wrst> well I don't really ever need such as that usually
[16:12] <cyberanger> instead of primary)
[16:12] <cyberanger> (even though that's got higher speed, t-mobile isn't 3g here, sprint is)
[16:13] <cyberanger> well, it's hardware cost, if you use it once a year (and it's cheap enough to insure you do (say for a family trip))
[16:13] <cyberanger> it's cheap enough
[16:14] <cyberanger> there just isn't alot of options anywhere, and it sounds like your area is worse, dsl only hardwire option
[16:14] <cyberanger> dsl cable, celluar and satellite, that's 95% of consumer options it seems
[16:19] <wrst> we have a cable option but its a stinky one
[16:27] <cyberanger> wrst: if dsl is the best and down now, without knowing vzw's tethering policy (and enforcement) as well as I did
[16:28] <cyberanger> I'd suggest the virgin moble broadband2go options as a backup plan
[16:28] <cyberanger> unless you feel like dialup (and since dial-up and dsl are over the same wire, better odds both would fail)
[16:46] <wrst> cyberanger: one shouldn't need a "backup plan" really I don't have to have internet to live but one shouldn't be fighting the supprot system for 3 days
[16:58] <cyberanger> yep, which is why the times I don't need it, there is still a plan to have it
[17:10] <cyberanger> and some stopgap measures, like a list of hotspots
[17:24] <wrst> ha ha had the phone guy trying to use ubuntu to setup the network :)
[17:41] <pace_t_zulu> iOS 5 & Mac OS X 10.7 are looking pretty sweet
[17:44] <cyberanger> wrst: lol oh boy
[17:50] <wrst> cyberanger: think I have internet, he messed with wiring.. I will have to fix :)
[17:50] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I was wondering about that
[17:50] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you should check out the "iCloud" tech
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://developer.apple.com/icloud
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: here is a more consumer oriented description http://www.apple.com/icloud/
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> i've got iOS 5 installed on my iPhone already ... thinking about going ahead and installing 10.7 Developer Preview 4 ...
[17:52] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: on first glance looks like what dropbox does for me already
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: on the surface yes
[17:52] <wrst> looks like its integrated into the apps
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but there are APIs to integrate iCloud services directly into apps
[17:52] <wrst> looks cool pace_t_zulu, but think I will still stay away :)
[17:53] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it looks like what ubuntu wants to do with ubuntuone
[17:53] <wrst> yes seems like wherever OS X goes ubuntu is not far behind :0
[17:53] <wrst> and that isn't really a bad thing either
[17:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: trouble is that ubuntu (and linux as a whole) lack coherent enough APIs to have such a clean implementation
[17:54] <wrst> yes agreed
[17:55] <wrst> may try to get my wife to upgrade to 10.7
[17:55] <wrst> she is running 10.5 right now pace_t_zulu is that possible?
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i would do 10.6 first....
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> honestly ... when 10.7 comes out (or before) upgrade to 10.6
[17:56] <wrst> ok
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> developers right now are target 10.5
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> when 10.7 comes out they will start targeting 106
[17:56] <pace_t_zulu> *10.6
[17:57] <pace_t_zulu> it makes more sense for devs to run the latest and greatest ... but they generally target the previous release as the base system
[17:57] <wrst> ok makes sense and upgrading is cheap
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: plus when 10.7 comes out it will probably have a few bugs to iron out
[17:58] <wrst> everything always does regardless
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> i'd only consider 10.7 for your wife after 10.7.2 or later ... after they've had to iron out bugs
[17:58] <wrst> does upgrading work fairly easily pace_t_zulu?
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> it's a very different equation for a consumer like your wife than it is for a developer
[17:59] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: smooth as shit out a duck's ass
[17:59] <wrst> oh yes
[17:59] <wrst> gotcha pace_t_zulu ;)
[17:59] <wrst> figured that to be the case, windows upgrades well that's an oxymoron ubuntu generally is smoothe
[17:59] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: provided you haven't modified the system in any unusual ways ... and she doesn't run any exotic software/hardware
[18:00] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i assume your wife (a teacher if i recall correctly) would have basics like microsoft office - nothing more exotic than that kind of thing
[18:02] <cyberanger> if I wanted a Mac, I'd buy one
[18:02] <cyberanger> :-/
[18:03] <wrst> yes pace_t_zulu that's it
[18:03] <wrst> ms office is the biggest thing
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: should go smoothly
[18:04] <wrst> cool
[18:04] <wrst> may order a disk and do it
[18:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i wouldn't worry about 10.7 (Lion) unless there are specific features your wife wants .... like iCloud
[18:04] <cyberanger> I'm loving the Google Music beta myself, I just wonder where either implementation differes from lala.com last year
[18:04] <cyberanger> (when Apple Bought it and shut it down)
[18:06] <pace_t_zulu> i hear amazon's cloud offers some sort of music streaming service ...
[18:13] <cyberanger> yeah, for a little while now
[18:17] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did i ever tell you about my first full month's bill for my cloud machine?
[18:18] <wrst> no?
[18:19] <vychune> o/
[18:19] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: high or low
[18:20] <pace_t_zulu> i'll let you guys put in your guesses ;)
[18:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: more than free (my cost so far with amazon)
[18:22] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'd like to hear more about how you're doing that...
[18:22] <pace_t_zulu> if i can get it going for free ... even better
[18:23] <cyberanger> http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2658409011
[18:23] <cyberanger> if you buy on amazon, stored for free, bought an album, got the upgrade to 20GB
[18:24] <pace_t_zulu> oh... if you buy music from amazon ...
[18:24] <pace_t_zulu> not interested
[18:25] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: a guess as to what the bill for a full month was?
[18:25] <cyberanger> well, you can still add your own pace_t_zulu
[18:25] <cyberanger> just happened they had the best price for an album I couldn't get locally
[18:25] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: do you get console access to the cloud machine?
[18:25] <cyberanger> unsure (only used it on android so far)
[18:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I have no clue at all :)
[18:26] <cyberanger> anyhow, solely becuase I bought one album I was gonna buy for free, I got 20Gb storage for free
[18:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: come to think of it, I think that flash is involved, so no console access at this time
[18:41] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: they give 5GB for free as is, and don't count anything from their store
[18:42] <cyberanger> if you like something they have, as I did (they were the cheapest) that's why I grabbed the upgrade
[18:42] <cyberanger> idk, I'm liking Google Music Beta even more though
[19:11] <Unit193> wrst: Using AndChat?
[19:12] <wrst> Unit193: no using quassel I have a core on a buddy of mine's server I use for a backup
[19:13] <Unit193> I missed the quassel part...
[19:14] <wrst> Unit193: I'm a huge quassel fan
[19:14] <cyberanger> yeah, and I give wrst a hard time over it
[19:15] <wrst> but cyberanger its server based software so it sorta skirts the issues you have :P
[19:15] <wrst> electricus: ping
[19:15] <cyberanger> wrst: the one where xorg isn't required? ;-)
[19:16] <cyberanger> I have too many issues man, that's gonna be a losing battle ;-)
[19:16] <wrst> cyberanger: one thing is true you have issues ;)
[19:17] <Unit193> Nice one!
[19:17] <electricus> hello
[19:17] <vychune> o/
[19:17] <wrst> ha electricus just making sure you were still with us :)
[19:17] <electricus> i'm heading back to the office.. i'll catch up with you in a bit
[19:17]  * wrst hopes he didn't over use the power of the ping
[19:18] <cyberanger> pong
[19:19] <cyberanger> when your laptop has a dns server on it, you know there is issues
[19:19] <wrst> cyberanger: yes :)
[19:19] <wrst> you have issues, but admiting it is the first step, so you are ready for step 2
[19:20] <cyberanger> lol
[19:22] <pace_t_zulu> sorry... stepped out for lunch
[19:22] <Unit193> I'm SSH'ing into a computer then SSH'ing into another one from there so I can connect to my screen session because I can't seem to connect from this computer! :P
[19:23] <pace_t_zulu> wrst cyberanger ... month of may cost me $1.01 ... cloud machine ran 24/7 except for reboots for kernel upgrades
[19:23] <wrst> wow pace_t_zulu, was that amazon?
[19:26] <cyberanger> oh, misunderstood pace_t_zulu
[19:26] <cyberanger> I thought you were talking about icloud and such
[19:26] <cyberanger> music storage and such
[19:26] <cyberanger> that's rather cheap, neat
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> that is my ec2 machine on amazon
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> running ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[19:27] <wrst> whoa cool pace_t_zulu, that's about worth having
[19:28] <wrst> just for a shell account
[19:28] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: exactly
[19:28] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i bet that is less than what you pay for the power draw on your server alone
[19:28] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: if I ever get internet again I might look at doing that :)
[19:28] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I'm betting you are exactly correct
[19:28] <cyberanger> wrst: toss in a quassel core<scratch that>irssi & screen combo</scratch that>
[19:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst and cyberanger i'd highly recommend setting up a micro-tier ec2 deployment with amazon
[19:29] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... for the persistent connection to IRC alone - that's worth more than $1/month for me
[19:30] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I use my server at home for a file/print server, but that's still tempting
[19:30] <pace_t_zulu> and the other thing is you can setup openvpn ... and tunnel all your connections through the cloud machine when you are on an untrusted network - like wifi in a coffeeshop or airport
[19:31] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but connection uptime is irrelevant for those applications
[19:31] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: or even use ssh for that, but yeah, needed until android app developers update
[19:31] <wrst> true pace_t_zulu and they are working fine at home right now while i have no internet :)
[19:31] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i set it up for my new macbook pro ... gives you piece of mind
[19:32] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: there is a sweet little app that detects an untrusted network and automatically switches on the tunnelling
[19:32] <cyberanger> yeah (however I'd just tunnel to squid and use iptables, or a mac's case ipfw)
[19:32] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger and wrst the name of that app is Sidestep ... http://chetansurpur.com/projects/sidestep/
[19:33] <wrst> cool pace_t_zulu
[19:33] <wrst> niced
[19:33] <wrst> *nice
[19:33] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i've never done much ssh tunnelling ... i've successfully established them .... but never used them effectively
[19:33]  * wrst is too lazy to dig tunnels
[19:33] <cyberanger> and instead of detecting an untrusted, I prefer to presume untrusted, and upgrade to trusted as I trust them
[19:34] <wrst> cyberanger the eternal conspiracy theorist :P
[19:34] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger and wrst so that link i just posted was for side step ... but that's how i came across this page that is a guide for setting up the EC2 micro-tier deployment.... http://www.stratumsecurity.com/blog/2010/12/03/shearing-firesheep-with-the-cloud/
[19:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you should check out this link ^
[19:43] <wrst> I am :)
[19:50] <cyberanger> wrst: not all conspiracies are just theroies
[19:50] <cyberanger> and keep in mind, firesheep made it easy
[19:51] <cyberanger> lifehacker made wep cracking easier
[19:51] <cyberanger> wireshark can decrypt wpa2 if you know the keys
[19:52] <cyberanger> so all hotspots I use are on the untrusted list, plus with android's issue, I don't trust some additional ones
[19:54] <wrst> so trust no one cyberanger? actually probably the best way to go
[19:54] <cyberanger> in terms of networking, if you don't control it, who does?
[19:54] <cyberanger> yeah
[19:56] <cyberanger> I cannot stand how much data android sends in clear (due to developer coding, that is)
[19:56] <cyberanger> so with work (for example) I know I can audit things well, IDS too
[19:56] <wrst> cyberanger: i pretty much treat my android as I'm broadcasting everything to the world
[19:56] <cyberanger> but there are limits, and a vpn is just too simple
[19:59] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, but it's still nice to have some control
[20:00] <cyberanger> and I try very very hard to lock my gear down (unfortunately, android isn't that simple yet, it's a gaping hole in comparison)
[20:07] <wrst> yes
[21:17] <electricus> man.. what a week!
[21:17] <electricus> i'm swamped
[21:17] <cyberanger> hi swamped, I mean electricus
[21:17] <electricus> ever have those days where you are pulled in so many directions you feel like you aren't getting anything done?  haha
[21:17] <cyberanger> what's pulling you down
[21:18] <cyberanger> yeah, yesterday moreso than today
[21:18] <electricus> oh just a bunch of hand-holding with people that never should use a computer
[21:18] <wrst> electricus: yes, and hate to tell you this the day is just about over :)
[21:18] <cyberanger> had those days too, less often (somehow I manage to dodge that)
[22:27] <cyberanger> wrst: over? I missed the memo
[22:27] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ping
[22:27] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[22:30] <cyberanger> I thought it just began
[22:32] <cyberanger> perhaps since I've been up since the crack of noon
[22:33] <cyberanger> ;-)
[22:33] <cyberanger> (or I think that's right, I set my clock a few hours fast, and throw it in the rubbish bin when it goes off ZzzZZz)
[22:46] <cyberanger> wrst: now the day is ending
[22:46] <cyberanger> biab