| ScottL | ohhhh, wiki.ubuntu.com can be so slow and then it gives you an error sometimes, drives me nuts at times | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottL | <<FullSearchCached(category:CategorySpec)>> | 00:10 |
| ScottL | replace "Spec" with whatever category name we want | 00:10 |
| ScottL | ---- | 00:10 |
| ScottL | CategorySpec | 00:10 |
| ScottL | replace "Spec" again | 00:10 |
| ScottL | the first line should go on the "index" page where we want the list of wiki pages that match the category | 00:10 |
| ScottL | place the last two lines on each individual pages that we wish to include in the category | 00:10 |
| astraljava | ScottL: I don't think eating especially rabbit poop is that unheard of. | 00:19 |
| astraljava | Well, for dogs, anyway. :D | 00:19 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: nice interview :D | 00:34 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, thank you :) | 00:38 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, in our email did you mean that you do not have an instance of ubuntu studio installed? | 00:38 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: i have, but in 11.10 the appearence will be diferent... | 00:39 |
| ScottL | true, but for tutorial on how to use jack, qjackctl, ardour, or qtractor i don't think it will matter too much | 00:41 |
| ScottL | i hope | 00:41 |
| rlameiro | Yeap. that was i thinked after reading your mail :D | 00:43 |
| rlameiro | the rest we can leave for later :D | 00:43 |
| iHaku | I like this idea of the new interface with AWN. I look forward to testing it. | 04:37 |
| holstein | yeah, im stoked about XFCE | 04:38 |
| iHaku | If I get this right, the theme will be slightly updated with this new release. That I look forward to as well. | 04:47 |
| holstein | yeah, not crazy different, but different | 04:48 |
| iHaku | Is there any way I can help? I can test, but I would be willing to volunteer for more. | 05:00 |
| holstein | iHaku: sure | 05:00 |
| holstein | are you on the mailing list? | 05:00 |
| iHaku | I'll have to sign up for it. | 05:01 |
| holstein | iHaku: please do | 05:01 |
| holstein | and feel free to frequent here | 05:01 |
| holstein | iHaku: do you have coding experience? | 05:01 |
| iHaku | Unfortunately no. | 05:02 |
| holstein | iHaku: no worries | 05:02 |
| holstein | theres wiki's and testing | 05:02 |
| holstein | lots to do really | 05:02 |
| holstein | iHaku: can you just idle here? | 05:02 |
| iHaku | I can. It's a desktop. | 05:02 |
| holstein | ScottL is the team lead | 05:03 |
| holstein | iHaku: welcome :) | 05:03 |
| holstein | iHaku: ive started idling over in #xubuntu-devel too | 05:03 |
| holstein | charlie-tca is very involved over there | 05:04 |
| iHaku | holstein: Thank you. I'll idle there as well. | 05:04 |
| iHaku | I'm familiar with charlie-tca. | 05:04 |
| holstein | iHaku: you can always hang and answer questions in #ubuntustudio too if you want | 05:04 |
| holstein | also, #opensourcemusicians is just a nice place to be, if you're interested | 05:04 |
| holstein | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel | 05:06 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings | 05:06 |
| holstein | ^ i need to update the archive there | 05:06 |
| holstein | iHaku: im off for the nite | 05:08 |
| holstein | GN | 05:08 |
| iHaku | holstein: Okay, thanks for the help. | 05:08 |
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| scott-work | good morning :) | 14:22 |
| holstein | past meeting logs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 | 15:54 |
| holstein | scott-work: HEY, i should have asked you first... | 16:20 |
| holstein | i went ahead and reserved -meeting for us regularly | 16:20 |
| holstein | i think that worked out well, and i agree that it gives us a presence | 16:20 |
| scott-work | holstein: oh yeah :) | 16:20 |
| holstein | anyways, i should have ran it by you first... i was just knocking some things out | 16:20 |
| holstein | like logs and whatever... | 16:21 |
| scott-work | no, no...take it and run man! | 16:21 |
| scott-work | ;) | 16:21 |
| holstein | im not really changing anything else much | 16:22 |
| holstein | maybe formatting a bit | 16:22 |
| holstein | the old agenda page will be the agenda/log page | 16:22 |
| holstein | no reason to make a new one | 16:22 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings | 16:22 |
| holstein | ^ thats where i'll link to in the calendar for the fridge | 16:22 |
| holstein | and try and remember to keep that area cleaned up | 16:23 |
| holstein | i think that means its only 2 wik pages to edit per meeting | 16:23 |
| scott-work | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 that looks good :) | 16:23 |
| holstein | scott-work: thanks | 16:24 |
| holstein | i wish we had mootbot-uk though | 16:24 |
| scott-work | i've been thinking that maybe we should have a meeting every two weeks instead of every four weeks | 16:24 |
| holstein | the output is formatted SO nice automagically | 16:24 |
| holstein | scott-work: we can up the meetings if you want | 16:24 |
| holstein | i was thinking/hoping there would be unoffical meetings here and there | 16:25 |
| holstein | as needed | 16:25 |
| holstein | like the web guys getting together | 16:25 |
| scott-work | that might be better | 16:27 |
| scott-work | the xubuntu guys have a meeting every week | 16:27 |
| holstein | yeah | 16:27 |
| scott-work | which is good for such things as development and bugs | 16:27 |
| holstein | scott-work: growing pains are welcome here :) | 16:27 |
| scott-work | but we dont' really do too much with bugs at this point | 16:27 |
| scott-work | at the other stuff could happen as needed unofficially | 16:27 |
| holstein | keeping it loose and unofficial would mean the guys that really need to meet can just meet whenever | 16:28 |
| holstein | if we end up finding another time though | 16:28 |
| holstein | like a weekday evening for kokito or whatever | 16:29 |
| holstein | AH... gotta run.. BBL | 16:29 |
| scott-work | holstein: kokito will not be working with us anymore, he is taking a job in japan and leaving practically immediately | 16:34 |
| scott-work | kokito = jorege | 16:34 |
| scott-work | er, jorge | 16:35 |
| holstein | my thing got moved.. | 16:35 |
| holstein | scott-work: that sux | 16:36 |
| scott-work | yeah | 16:36 |
| holstein | we had some great momentum for the site going on there | 16:36 |
| scott-work | i said that in the meeting i thought | 16:36 |
| scott-work | his work can be used as is | 16:36 |
| scott-work | it's already pretty functional | 16:36 |
| scott-work | we just need to get it in place and then add stuff to it | 16:36 |
| holstein | i think its bumpin | 16:36 |
| holstein | looked great | 16:36 |
| holstein | scott-work: are you thinking about putting it up soon? | 16:37 |
| scott-work | this week i want to flesh out more thoughts about the website... | 16:38 |
| scott-work | what should go on there | 16:38 |
| scott-work | do you host videos or use youtube? | 16:38 |
| scott-work | utilize wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com for most of our information or on the website? | 16:39 |
| scott-work | and pretty soon then we could start moving it into the right direction | 16:39 |
| scott-work | we need to also see about getting someone else access to it | 16:39 |
| scott-work | only me and eric is not enough in my opinion | 16:39 |
| scott-work | and it would be nice for the other person to have drupal experience, i've got only very, very little and eric has a moderate amount i believe | 16:39 |
| holstein | i think using youtube is fine | 16:41 |
| holstein | theres so much related content to link to and get linked from | 16:41 |
| scott-work | i've been thinking about how we could draw new people into ubuntu studio and i think the website should be the sharp point of that effort | 16:43 |
| scott-work | my opinion is that the website would also be nice for experienced users for certain tasks, like getting download links | 16:44 |
| scott-work | having youtube tutorials on the website would be good as well | 16:44 |
| scott-work | maybe even some news posts about new applications or plugins | 16:44 |
| scott-work | or even news posts about how to use specific plugins | 16:44 |
| holstein | a rolling blog type area | 16:44 |
| scott-work | right | 16:45 |
| scott-work | even just to give hints, like...using a plugin for something not expected | 16:45 |
| scott-work | that would be something that doesn't really fit a tutorial type situation, it's just information | 16:45 |
| holstein | also, like the OSMP guys talked about in the beginning | 16:45 |
| holstein | getting involved and linking to LAU or whatever | 16:46 |
| holstein | having an ubuntustudio section at an existing forum | 16:46 |
| holstein | i can see andvantages and disadvantages | 16:46 |
| holstein | *linuxmusicans | 16:47 |
| holstein | exhibit A | 16:48 |
| holstein | http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7142 | 16:48 |
| holstein | im am messaging priavately with jaaxx | 16:48 |
| holstein | he used to work on the RT kernel with PClinuxOS (i think) | 16:49 |
| scott-work | oh WOW, that's pretty cool | 16:55 |
| holstein | scott-work: we'll see | 16:56 |
| holstein | im trying to take a very friendly 'put up or shut up' approach | 16:56 |
| holstein | it would be nice to attract someone like that though | 16:56 |
| holstein | that could be doing backports | 16:57 |
| holstein | and actually code maintanence or whatever | 16:57 |
| scott-work | but unfortunately i think that some of the things they are bitching about aren't things that you or i or he can fix, if ubuntu is dorking with moving stuff...*shrug* | 17:00 |
| scott-work | but yes, it would be nice to encourage people to help with backports | 17:00 |
| holstein | yeah, but as we get bigger, we can influence that | 17:00 |
| scott-work | that would be soooo nice actually ;) | 17:00 |
| holstein | i think | 17:00 |
| jussi | one quick wuestion, just noted on the list people talking about gdm - we are going to still use that even though ubuntu is moving to lightdm? | 17:00 |
| scott-work | good point | 17:00 |
| scott-work | jussi: no, we are moving to lightdm | 17:00 |
| scott-work | err, "good point" was pointed at holstein | 17:01 |
| jussi | right, someone might want to point that out to the guy who was tlaking about gdm on the list | 17:01 |
| jussi | oh bah | 17:01 |
| jussi | wrong list :( | 17:01 |
| * jussi sighs and goes back to sleep | 17:02 | |
| holstein | hehe | 17:02 |
| jussi | seems I dont read very well today | 17:03 |
| scott-work | mentioning the website again, it would be nice to also include a section where we can list artists who use ubuntu studio | 17:04 |
| * scott-work works up a backstory to this.... | 17:04 | |
| holstein | a 'made with ubuntustudio' kind of thing | 17:05 |
| scott-work | i was listening to ratholeradio, which is dan lynch's (of linux outlaws fame) side thing and he interviewed a guy whose been wrirting music and selling records who did it with ubuntu studio | 17:05 |
| scott-work | i thought that was brilliant and would be a great selling point for ubuntu studio | 17:05 |
| scott-work | holstein: exactly, but take it a bit further | 17:06 |
| scott-work | you can check out some of his stuff: http://music.conniptions.org/ | 17:06 |
| scott-work | it's pretty well produced and sounds good | 17:06 |
| scott-work | i think it relfects nicely on what ubuntu studio is capable of | 17:07 |
| scott-work | and i think _that_ (not him in particular, but that people can use it to do stuff well) would be a great selling point | 17:07 |
| scott-work | "it's not a toy for your bedroom...you can really do stuff with this!" | 17:07 |
| holstein | bandcamp is great too | 17:08 |
| holstein | BBL.. | 17:09 |
| scott-work | i think bandcamp is great too | 17:10 |
| scott-work | but i'm just thinking that if accumulating a portfolio of good/decent artists (from a production perspective, not if we like their music) that use ubuntu studio would be a substantive and great PR move | 17:11 |
| ailo | scott-work, I think what I would like to do is to just start working on parts of the documentation. | 18:04 |
| ailo | scott-work, should we just make a list of topics that we are working on, so we can see who is working on what? | 18:08 |
| scott-work | ailo: we could or if you clearly have a particular field you want to attend then i can maintain a different focus | 18:14 |
| scott-work | ailo: also i was hoping to discuss some more basic structure with you | 18:14 |
| scott-work | namely the landing page and how to organize it from there | 18:15 |
| scott-work | my opinion was that the landing page would be pretty general with some very large headings (scope-wise) which would then lead to dedicated pages for particulars topics | 18:15 |
| scott-work | for example, the landing page would explain that this document is to help users learn and use ubuntu studio | 18:16 |
| ailo | I'm not fully sure about what the material will contain at this point, and I am sure new ideas will pop up during the process | 18:16 |
| scott-work | then list some topics with generalized descriptions of what is included wiht each topic | 18:16 |
| scott-work | like intro to ubuntu studio, installing ubuntu studio, audio tasks, video tasks, and graphical tasks | 18:17 |
| scott-work | my larger thought was that if we can create these first pages then we can link them properly to help organize and not "loose" any pages | 18:17 |
| ailo | Starting from the top level first might be inspirational, but I'd like to start investigating what material we need and what it will contain. | 18:17 |
| scott-work | sure, sure | 18:18 |
| scott-work | i think we basically need everything at this point, i would say that we might spend more time trying to figure out what we can reuse from previous work | 18:18 |
| scott-work | i'm guessing that you would want to focus on the kernel and audio work? | 18:19 |
| ailo | I think I can probably work on anything, but sure. Audio / hardware.. that sort of stuff | 18:20 |
| ailo | I think I would like to start with the hardware bit | 18:21 |
| ailo | And installing | 18:21 |
| ailo | scott-work, I don't mind if you do all the top level stuff. I'm happy to give you input of course | 18:22 |
| ailo | So, I would like to do one thing at the time. For each topic I'll look through what has already been done. | 18:23 |
| ailo | And try to resuse stuff | 18:23 |
| ailo | reuse* | 18:23 |
| scott-work | that sounds good | 18:26 |
| scott-work | hopefully i will have some pages for you to hang your stuff onto | 18:26 |
| scott-work | by this weekend | 18:26 |
| ailo | I'll start working on hardware compatibility, minimum requirements and that sort of thing. And I'll try to finish that by this weekend | 18:30 |
| ailo | That should be a good start | 18:30 |
| ailo | scott-work, Have you thought more about video tutorials? I haven't investigated what already exists | 18:31 |
| scott-work | i think we shoudl definetely try to incorporate video tutorials | 18:58 |
| scott-work | ailo^^^ | 18:58 |
| scott-work | rlameiro was talking about this as well, although i don't know if he wants to find them or make them | 18:58 |
| scott-work | a hardware section could also discuss the difference between usb/pci/firewire audio interfaces | 19:01 |
| scott-work | nothing too in depth, perhaps just some basic concepts and limitations | 19:01 |
| scott-work | i've just come back from brainstorming for a user documentation landing page and i hope to get something to you in the next few days | 19:04 |
| ailo | I will try to gather all relevant material on the hardware bit, both audio and video | 19:13 |
| ailo | pci, usb and firewire | 19:13 |
| ailo | Once I have everything, I'll try to make it as simple as possible | 19:14 |
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| scott-work | ailo: one other thing i would like for us to do is to notate any pages that might be deprecated | 21:53 |
| scott-work | i suppose we could either just notate a certain section of the page or might even put a big note at the top of the page saying that it is deprecated | 21:53 |
| scott-work | and if we are removing a link to that page we might even consider linking it from a deprecated link page | 21:53 |
| scott-work | found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Deprecated%20Ubuntu%20Studio%20Pages | 21:55 |
| scott-work | just for archiving and so that those pages don't get "orphaned" | 21:55 |
| scott-work | but this may be crazy talk and unnecessary | 21:55 |
| falktx | hi there | 22:42 |
| scott-work | falktx: there was something super important that i wanted to tell you but i forgot :( | 22:43 |
| scott-work | probably that i'm glad your on the team and helping :) | 22:43 |
| falktx | scott-work: oh, that's a shame | 22:43 |
| ailo | scott-work, Seems like a smart idea to back everything up. | 23:04 |
| scott-work | seriously though falktx, i really am glad you are helping us :D | 23:11 |
| falktx | scott-work: ok, I though I already did | 23:11 |
| falktx | scott-work: did the menu thing got pushed? | 23:12 |
| scott-work | falktx: not yet, i want to wait until we see what cory comes up with first | 23:12 |
| falktx | scott-work: what is cory working on? | 23:12 |
| scott-work | the xfce changes and the UI changes | 23:13 |
| falktx | nice | 23:13 |
| scott-work | but before we push something to the bzr branch i would like to make sure it fits with where we are going | 23:15 |
| scott-work | and that it is the right change in that context | 23:15 |
| scott-work | ailo: this is a very, very rough idea of what i was thinking about the user documentation landing page, it's ugly right now but shows how the form could look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox | 23:16 |
| scott-work | forget the ugly choice of colors, i just wanted something that had contrast | 23:17 |
| scott-work | basically there's a header at top, a main body on the left/middle, and then a side bar on the right | 23:17 |
| scott-work | rounding corners, creating space between the sections for separation can come later | 23:17 |
| falktx | scott-work: I did not add any of my custom stuff to it, I just adapted the old menu code to be more DE compliant, just like mine | 23:17 |
| scott-work | falktx: oh, that patch didn't do anything about the menu structure? | 23:18 |
| falktx | scott-work: nope | 23:18 |
| scott-work | falktx: aw shit, then we should probably get that pushed then :) | 23:18 |
| falktx | scott-work: the only thing it changes (fixes) is kde4-rosegarden and kde4-kdenlive | 23:18 |
| falktx | I though we should use "kde4/app" but it's "kde4-app" after all | 23:19 |
| scott-work | i'll see about that by this weekend then | 23:19 |
| falktx | scott-work: please do | 23:19 |
| * scott-work has to go and pickup kids | 23:19 | |
| ailo | scott-work, I would like to change some things. Hardware compatibility should be a subtopic of installation I think. | 23:19 |
| falktx | scott-work: getting this pushed means my work is actually useful and being used | 23:19 |
| scott-work | ailo: that's cool, not a problem, just fleshing it out and playing with it | 23:19 |
| ailo | scott-work, Sure | 23:19 |
| scott-work | falktx: your work is already usefull and being used by loads of people with kxstudio, my man ;) | 23:20 |
| falktx | I hope so | 23:20 |
| scott-work | falktx: OH | 23:20 |
| scott-work | i remember now | 23:20 |
| falktx | maybe I should check some stats... | 23:20 |
| falktx | ? | 23:20 |
| scott-work | i pimped you out in my interview with the linux outlaws | 23:20 |
| falktx | really? | 23:20 |
| falktx | I haven't heard it yet | 23:21 |
| falktx | I was watching some LAC videos last night instead... | 23:21 |
| scott-work | so now i've said that kxstudio was brilliant in my letter to LInux Format magazine (which they published) and now i mentioned you on LO :) | 23:21 |
| scott-work | i'll get you a link tomorrow or later tonight | 23:21 |
| scott-work | but i really ahve to go | 23:21 |
| falktx | LO ? | 23:22 |
| astraljava | Linux Outlaws? | 23:33 |
| falktx | oh | 23:34 |
| falktx | damn, sometimes I feel slow... | 23:34 |
| astraljava | falktx: Lucky for you. I feel that most all the time. | 23:35 |
| falktx | astraljava: I don't feel slow cause I have other people to compare me too... not you, of course, other people... | 23:35 |
| mjcpk | Hi Scott | 23:36 |
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