[00:05] <ScottL> ohhhh, wiki.ubuntu.com can be so slow and then it gives you an error sometimes, drives me nuts at times
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[00:10] <ScottL> replace "Spec" with whatever category name we want
[00:10] <ScottL> ----
[00:10] <ScottL> CategorySpec
[00:10] <ScottL> replace "Spec" again
[00:10] <ScottL> the first line should go on the "index" page where we want the list of wiki pages that match the category
[00:10] <ScottL> place the last two lines on each individual pages that we wish to include in the category
[00:19] <astraljava> ScottL: I don't think eating especially rabbit poop is that unheard of.
[00:19] <astraljava> Well, for dogs, anyway. :D
[00:34] <rlameiro> ScottL: nice interview :D
[00:38] <ScottL> rlameiro, thank you :)
[00:38] <ScottL> rlameiro, in our email did you mean that you do not have an instance of ubuntu studio installed?
[00:39] <rlameiro> ScottL: i have, but in 11.10 the appearence will be diferent...
[00:41] <ScottL> true, but for tutorial on how to use jack, qjackctl, ardour, or qtractor i don't think it will matter too much
[00:41] <ScottL> i hope
[00:43] <rlameiro> Yeap. that was i thinked after reading your mail :D
[00:43] <rlameiro> the rest we can leave for later :D
[04:37] <iHaku> I like this idea of the new interface with AWN.   I look forward to testing it.
[04:38] <holstein> yeah, im stoked about XFCE
[04:47] <iHaku> If I get this right, the theme will be slightly updated with this new release.  That I look forward to as well.
[04:48] <holstein> yeah, not crazy different, but different
[05:00] <iHaku> Is there any way I can help?  I can test, but I would be willing to volunteer for more.
[05:00] <holstein> iHaku: sure
[05:00] <holstein> are you on the mailing list?
[05:01] <iHaku> I'll have to sign up for it.
[05:01] <holstein> iHaku: please do
[05:01] <holstein> and feel free to frequent here
[05:01] <holstein> iHaku: do you have coding experience?
[05:02] <iHaku> Unfortunately no.
[05:02] <holstein> iHaku: no worries
[05:02] <holstein> theres wiki's and testing
[05:02] <holstein> lots to do really
[05:02] <holstein> iHaku: can you just idle here?
[05:02] <iHaku> I can.  It's a desktop.
[05:03] <holstein> ScottL is the team lead
[05:03] <holstein> iHaku:  welcome :)
[05:03] <holstein> iHaku: ive started idling over in #xubuntu-devel too
[05:04] <holstein> charlie-tca is very involved over there
[05:04] <iHaku> holstein: Thank you.  I'll idle there as well.
[05:04] <iHaku> I'm familiar with charlie-tca.
[05:04] <holstein> iHaku: you can always hang and answer questions in #ubuntustudio too if you want
[05:04] <holstein> also, #opensourcemusicians is just a nice place to be, if you're interested
[05:06] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[05:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[05:06] <holstein> ^ i need to update the archive there
[05:08] <holstein> iHaku: im off for the nite
[05:08] <holstein> GN
[05:08] <iHaku> holstein: Okay, thanks for the help.
[14:22] <scott-work> good morning :)
[15:54] <holstein> past meeting logs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[16:20] <holstein> scott-work: HEY, i should have asked you first...
[16:20] <holstein> i went ahead and reserved -meeting for us regularly
[16:20] <holstein> i think that worked out well, and i agree that it gives us a presence
[16:20] <scott-work> holstein: oh yeah :)
[16:20] <holstein> anyways, i should have ran it by you first... i was just knocking some things out
[16:21] <holstein> like logs and whatever...
[16:21] <scott-work> no, no...take it and run man!
[16:21] <scott-work> ;)
[16:22] <holstein> im not really changing anything else much
[16:22] <holstein> maybe formatting a bit
[16:22] <holstein> the old agenda page will be the agenda/log page
[16:22] <holstein> no reason to make a new one
[16:22] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[16:22] <holstein> ^ thats where i'll link to in the calendar for the fridge
[16:23] <holstein> and try and remember to keep that area cleaned up
[16:23] <holstein> i think that means its only 2 wik pages to edit per meeting
[16:23] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5  that looks good :)
[16:24] <holstein> scott-work: thanks
[16:24] <holstein> i wish we had mootbot-uk though
[16:24] <scott-work> i've been thinking that maybe we should have a meeting every two weeks instead of every four weeks
[16:24] <holstein> the output is formatted SO nice automagically
[16:24] <holstein> scott-work: we can up the meetings if you want
[16:25] <holstein> i was thinking/hoping there would be unoffical meetings here and there
[16:25] <holstein> as needed
[16:25] <holstein> like the web guys getting together
[16:27] <scott-work> that might be better
[16:27] <scott-work> the xubuntu guys have a meeting every week
[16:27] <holstein> yeah
[16:27] <scott-work> which is good for such things as development and bugs
[16:27] <holstein> scott-work: growing pains are welcome here :)
[16:27] <scott-work> but we dont' really do too much with bugs at this point
[16:27] <scott-work> at the other stuff could happen as needed unofficially
[16:28] <holstein> keeping it loose and unofficial would mean the guys that really need to meet can just meet whenever
[16:28] <holstein> if we end up finding another time though
[16:29] <holstein> like a weekday evening for kokito or whatever
[16:29] <holstein> AH... gotta run.. BBL
[16:34] <scott-work> holstein: kokito will not be working with us anymore, he is taking a job in japan and leaving practically immediately
[16:34] <scott-work> kokito = jorege
[16:35] <scott-work> er, jorge
[16:35] <holstein> my thing got moved..
[16:36] <holstein> scott-work: that sux
[16:36] <scott-work> yeah
[16:36] <holstein> we had some great momentum for the site going on there
[16:36] <scott-work> i said that in the meeting i thought
[16:36] <scott-work> his work can be used as is
[16:36] <scott-work> it's already pretty functional
[16:36] <scott-work> we just need to get it in place and then add stuff to it
[16:36] <holstein> i think its bumpin
[16:36] <holstein> looked great
[16:37] <holstein> scott-work: are you thinking about putting it up soon?
[16:38] <scott-work> this week i want to flesh out more thoughts about the website...
[16:38] <scott-work> what should go on there
[16:38] <scott-work> do you host videos or use youtube?
[16:39] <scott-work> utilize wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com for most of our information or on the website?
[16:39] <scott-work> and pretty soon then we could start moving it into the right direction
[16:39] <scott-work> we need to also see about getting someone else access to it
[16:39] <scott-work> only me and eric is not enough in my opinion
[16:39] <scott-work> and it would be nice for the other person to have drupal experience, i've got only very, very little and eric has a moderate amount i believe
[16:41] <holstein> i think using youtube is fine
[16:41] <holstein> theres so much related content to link to and get linked from
[16:43] <scott-work> i've been thinking about how we could draw new people into ubuntu studio and i think the website should be the sharp point of that effort
[16:44] <scott-work> my opinion is that the website would also be nice for experienced users for certain tasks, like getting download links
[16:44] <scott-work> having youtube tutorials on the website would be good as well
[16:44] <scott-work> maybe even some news posts about new applications or plugins
[16:44] <scott-work> or even news posts about how to use specific plugins
[16:44] <holstein> a rolling blog type area
[16:45] <scott-work> right
[16:45] <scott-work> even just to give hints, like...using a plugin for something not expected
[16:45] <scott-work> that would be something that doesn't really fit a tutorial type situation, it's just information
[16:45] <holstein> also, like the OSMP guys talked about in the beginning
[16:46] <holstein> getting involved and linking to LAU or whatever
[16:46] <holstein> having an ubuntustudio section at an existing forum
[16:46] <holstein> i can see andvantages and disadvantages
[16:47] <holstein> *linuxmusicans
[16:48] <holstein> exhibit A
[16:48] <holstein> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7142
[16:48] <holstein> im am messaging priavately with jaaxx
[16:49] <holstein> he used to work on the RT kernel with PClinuxOS (i think)
[16:55] <scott-work> oh WOW, that's pretty cool
[16:56] <holstein> scott-work: we'll see
[16:56] <holstein> im trying to take a very friendly 'put up or shut up' approach
[16:56] <holstein> it would be nice to attract someone like that though
[16:57] <holstein> that could be doing backports
[16:57] <holstein> and actually code maintanence or whatever
[17:00] <scott-work> but unfortunately i think that some of the things they are bitching about aren't things that you or i or he can fix, if ubuntu is dorking with moving stuff...*shrug*
[17:00] <scott-work> but yes, it would be nice to encourage people to help with backports
[17:00] <holstein> yeah, but as we get bigger, we can influence that
[17:00] <scott-work> that would be soooo nice actually ;)
[17:00] <holstein> i think
[17:00] <jussi> one quick wuestion, just noted on the list people talking about gdm - we are going to still use that even though ubuntu is moving to lightdm? 
[17:00] <scott-work> good point
[17:00] <scott-work> jussi: no, we are moving to lightdm
[17:01] <scott-work> err, "good point" was pointed at holstein 
[17:01] <jussi> right, someone might want to point that out to the guy who was tlaking about gdm on the list
[17:01] <jussi> oh bah
[17:01] <jussi> wrong list :(
[17:02]  * jussi sighs and goes back to sleep
[17:02] <holstein> hehe
[17:03] <jussi> seems I dont read very well today
[17:04] <scott-work> mentioning the website again, it would be nice to also include a section where we can list artists who use ubuntu studio
[17:04]  * scott-work works up a backstory to this....
[17:05] <holstein> a 'made with ubuntustudio' kind of thing
[17:05] <scott-work> i was listening to ratholeradio, which is dan lynch's (of linux outlaws fame) side thing and he interviewed a guy whose been wrirting music and selling records who did it with ubuntu studio
[17:05] <scott-work> i thought that was brilliant and would be a great selling point for ubuntu studio
[17:06] <scott-work> holstein: exactly, but take it a bit further
[17:06] <scott-work> you can check out some of his stuff:  http://music.conniptions.org/
[17:06] <scott-work> it's pretty well produced and sounds good
[17:07] <scott-work> i think it relfects nicely on what ubuntu studio is capable of 
[17:07] <scott-work> and i think _that_ (not him in particular, but that people can use it to do stuff well) would be a great selling point
[17:07] <scott-work> "it's not a toy for your bedroom...you can really do stuff with this!"
[17:08] <holstein> bandcamp is great too
[17:09] <holstein> BBL..
[17:10] <scott-work> i think bandcamp is great too
[17:11] <scott-work> but i'm just thinking that if accumulating a portfolio of good/decent artists (from a production perspective, not if we like their music) that use ubuntu studio would be a substantive and great PR move
[18:04] <ailo> scott-work, I think what I would like to do is to just start working on parts of the documentation. 
[18:08] <ailo> scott-work, should we just make a list of topics that we are working on, so we can see who is working on what?
[18:14] <scott-work> ailo:  we could or if you clearly have a particular field you want to attend then i can maintain a different focus
[18:14] <scott-work> ailo: also i was hoping to discuss some more basic structure with you
[18:15] <scott-work> namely the landing page and how to organize it from there
[18:15] <scott-work> my opinion was that the landing page would be pretty general with some very large headings (scope-wise) which would then lead to dedicated pages for particulars topics
[18:16] <scott-work> for example, the landing page would explain that this document is to help users learn and use ubuntu studio
[18:16] <ailo> I'm not fully sure about what the material will contain at this point, and I am sure new ideas will pop up during the process
[18:16] <scott-work> then list some topics with generalized descriptions of what is included wiht each topic
[18:17] <scott-work> like intro to ubuntu studio, installing ubuntu studio, audio tasks, video tasks, and graphical tasks
[18:17] <scott-work> my larger thought was that if we can create these first pages then we can link them properly to help organize and not "loose" any pages
[18:17] <ailo> Starting from the top level first might be inspirational, but I'd like to start investigating what material we need and what it will contain. 
[18:18] <scott-work> sure, sure
[18:18] <scott-work> i think we basically need everything at this point, i would say that we might spend more time trying to figure out what we can reuse from previous work
[18:19] <scott-work> i'm guessing that you would want to focus on the kernel and audio work?
[18:20] <ailo> I think I can probably work on anything, but sure. Audio / hardware.. that sort of stuff
[18:21] <ailo> I think I would like to start with the hardware bit
[18:21] <ailo> And installing
[18:22] <ailo> scott-work, I don't mind if you do all the top level stuff. I'm happy to give you input of course
[18:23] <ailo> So, I would like to do one thing at the time. For each topic I'll look through what has already been done.
[18:23] <ailo> And try to resuse stuff
[18:23] <ailo> reuse*
[18:26] <scott-work> that sounds good
[18:26] <scott-work> hopefully i will have some pages for you to hang your stuff onto
[18:26] <scott-work> by this weekend
[18:30] <ailo> I'll start working on hardware compatibility, minimum requirements and that sort of thing. And I'll try to finish that by this weekend
[18:30] <ailo> That should be a good start
[18:31] <ailo> scott-work, Have you thought more about video tutorials? I haven't investigated what already exists
[18:58] <scott-work> i think we shoudl definetely try to incorporate video tutorials
[18:58] <scott-work> ailo^^^
[18:58] <scott-work> rlameiro was talking about this as well, although i don't know if he wants to find them or make them
[19:01] <scott-work> a hardware section could also discuss the difference between usb/pci/firewire audio interfaces
[19:01] <scott-work> nothing too in depth, perhaps just some basic concepts and limitations
[19:04] <scott-work> i've just come back from brainstorming for a user documentation landing page and i hope to get something to you in the next few days
[19:13] <ailo> I will try to gather all relevant material on the hardware bit, both audio and video
[19:13] <ailo> pci, usb and firewire
[19:14] <ailo> Once I have everything, I'll try to make it as simple as possible
[21:53] <scott-work> ailo: one other thing i would like for us to do is to notate any pages that might be deprecated
[21:53] <scott-work> i suppose we could either just notate a certain section of the page or might even put a big note at the top of the page saying that it is deprecated
[21:53] <scott-work> and if we are removing a link to that page we might even consider linking it from a deprecated link page
[21:55] <scott-work> found it:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Deprecated%20Ubuntu%20Studio%20Pages
[21:55] <scott-work> just for archiving and so that those pages don't get "orphaned"
[21:55] <scott-work> but this may be crazy talk and unnecessary
[22:42] <falktx> hi there
[22:43] <scott-work> falktx: there was something super important that i wanted to tell you but i forgot :(
[22:43] <scott-work> probably that i'm glad your on the team and helping :)
[22:43] <falktx> scott-work: oh, that's a shame
[23:04] <ailo> scott-work, Seems like a smart idea to back everything up.
[23:11] <scott-work> seriously though falktx, i really am glad you are helping us :D
[23:11] <falktx> scott-work: ok, I though I already did
[23:12] <falktx> scott-work: did the menu thing got pushed?
[23:12] <scott-work> falktx: not yet, i want to wait until we see what cory comes up with first
[23:12] <falktx> scott-work: what is cory working on?
[23:13] <scott-work> the xfce changes and the UI changes
[23:13] <falktx> nice
[23:15] <scott-work> but before we push something to the bzr branch i would like to make sure it fits with where we are going
[23:15] <scott-work> and that it is the right change in that context
[23:16] <scott-work> ailo: this is a very, very rough idea of what i was thinking about the user documentation landing page, it's ugly right now but shows how the form could look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox
[23:17] <scott-work> forget the ugly choice of colors, i just wanted something that had contrast
[23:17] <scott-work> basically there's a header at top, a main body on the left/middle, and then a side bar on the right
[23:17] <scott-work> rounding corners, creating space between the sections for separation can come later
[23:17] <falktx> scott-work: I did not add any of my custom stuff to it, I just adapted the old menu code to be more DE compliant, just like mine
[23:18] <scott-work> falktx: oh, that patch didn't do anything about the menu structure?
[23:18] <falktx> scott-work: nope
[23:18] <scott-work> falktx: aw shit, then we should probably get that pushed then :)
[23:18] <falktx> scott-work: the only thing it changes (fixes) is kde4-rosegarden and kde4-kdenlive
[23:19] <falktx> I though we should use "kde4/app" but it's "kde4-app" after all
[23:19] <scott-work> i'll see about that by this weekend then
[23:19] <falktx> scott-work: please do
[23:19]  * scott-work has to go and pickup kids
[23:19] <ailo> scott-work, I would like to change some things. Hardware compatibility should be a subtopic of installation I think. 
[23:19] <falktx> scott-work: getting this pushed means my work is actually useful and being used
[23:19] <scott-work> ailo: that's cool, not a problem, just fleshing it out and playing with it
[23:19] <ailo> scott-work, Sure
[23:20] <scott-work> falktx: your work is already usefull and being used by loads of people with kxstudio, my man ;)
[23:20] <falktx> I hope so
[23:20] <scott-work> falktx: OH
[23:20] <scott-work> i remember now
[23:20] <falktx> maybe I should check some stats...
[23:20] <falktx> ?
[23:20] <scott-work> i pimped you out in my interview with the linux outlaws
[23:20] <falktx> really?
[23:21] <falktx> I haven't heard it yet
[23:21] <falktx> I was watching some LAC videos last night instead...
[23:21] <scott-work> so now i've said that kxstudio was brilliant in my letter to LInux Format magazine (which they published) and now i mentioned you on LO :)
[23:21] <scott-work> i'll get you a link tomorrow or later tonight
[23:21] <scott-work> but i really ahve to go
[23:22] <falktx> LO ?
[23:33] <astraljava> Linux Outlaws?
[23:34] <falktx> oh
[23:34] <falktx> damn, sometimes I feel slow...
[23:35] <astraljava> falktx: Lucky for you. I feel that most all the time.
[23:35] <falktx> astraljava: I don't feel slow cause I have other people to compare me too... not you, of course, other people...
[23:36] <mjcpk> Hi Scott