[00:05] ohhhh, wiki.ubuntu.com can be so slow and then it gives you an error sometimes, drives me nuts at times [00:10] <> [00:10] replace "Spec" with whatever category name we want [00:10] ---- [00:10] CategorySpec [00:10] replace "Spec" again [00:10] the first line should go on the "index" page where we want the list of wiki pages that match the category [00:10] place the last two lines on each individual pages that we wish to include in the category [00:19] ScottL: I don't think eating especially rabbit poop is that unheard of. [00:19] Well, for dogs, anyway. :D [00:34] ScottL: nice interview :D [00:38] rlameiro, thank you :) [00:38] rlameiro, in our email did you mean that you do not have an instance of ubuntu studio installed? [00:39] ScottL: i have, but in 11.10 the appearence will be diferent... [00:41] true, but for tutorial on how to use jack, qjackctl, ardour, or qtractor i don't think it will matter too much [00:41] i hope [00:43] Yeap. that was i thinked after reading your mail :D [00:43] the rest we can leave for later :D [04:37] I like this idea of the new interface with AWN. I look forward to testing it. [04:38] yeah, im stoked about XFCE [04:47] If I get this right, the theme will be slightly updated with this new release. That I look forward to as well. [04:48] yeah, not crazy different, but different [05:00] Is there any way I can help? I can test, but I would be willing to volunteer for more. [05:00] iHaku: sure [05:00] are you on the mailing list? [05:01] I'll have to sign up for it. [05:01] iHaku: please do [05:01] and feel free to frequent here [05:01] iHaku: do you have coding experience? [05:02] Unfortunately no. [05:02] iHaku: no worries [05:02] theres wiki's and testing [05:02] lots to do really [05:02] iHaku: can you just idle here? [05:02] I can. It's a desktop. [05:03] ScottL is the team lead [05:03] iHaku: welcome :) [05:03] iHaku: ive started idling over in #xubuntu-devel too [05:04] charlie-tca is very involved over there [05:04] holstein: Thank you. I'll idle there as well. [05:04] I'm familiar with charlie-tca. [05:04] iHaku: you can always hang and answer questions in #ubuntustudio too if you want [05:04] also, #opensourcemusicians is just a nice place to be, if you're interested [05:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel [05:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings [05:06] ^ i need to update the archive there [05:08] iHaku: im off for the nite [05:08] GN [05:08] holstein: Okay, thanks for the help. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [14:22] good morning :) [15:54] past meeting logs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 [16:20] scott-work: HEY, i should have asked you first... [16:20] i went ahead and reserved -meeting for us regularly [16:20] i think that worked out well, and i agree that it gives us a presence [16:20] holstein: oh yeah :) [16:20] anyways, i should have ran it by you first... i was just knocking some things out [16:21] like logs and whatever... [16:21] no, no...take it and run man! [16:21] ;) [16:22] im not really changing anything else much [16:22] maybe formatting a bit [16:22] the old agenda page will be the agenda/log page [16:22] no reason to make a new one [16:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings [16:22] ^ thats where i'll link to in the calendar for the fridge [16:23] and try and remember to keep that area cleaned up [16:23] i think that means its only 2 wik pages to edit per meeting [16:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 that looks good :) [16:24] scott-work: thanks [16:24] i wish we had mootbot-uk though [16:24] i've been thinking that maybe we should have a meeting every two weeks instead of every four weeks [16:24] the output is formatted SO nice automagically [16:24] scott-work: we can up the meetings if you want [16:25] i was thinking/hoping there would be unoffical meetings here and there [16:25] as needed [16:25] like the web guys getting together [16:27] that might be better [16:27] the xubuntu guys have a meeting every week [16:27] yeah [16:27] which is good for such things as development and bugs [16:27] scott-work: growing pains are welcome here :) [16:27] but we dont' really do too much with bugs at this point [16:27] at the other stuff could happen as needed unofficially [16:28] keeping it loose and unofficial would mean the guys that really need to meet can just meet whenever [16:28] if we end up finding another time though [16:29] like a weekday evening for kokito or whatever [16:29] AH... gotta run.. BBL [16:34] holstein: kokito will not be working with us anymore, he is taking a job in japan and leaving practically immediately [16:34] kokito = jorege [16:35] er, jorge [16:35] my thing got moved.. [16:36] scott-work: that sux [16:36] yeah [16:36] we had some great momentum for the site going on there [16:36] i said that in the meeting i thought [16:36] his work can be used as is [16:36] it's already pretty functional [16:36] we just need to get it in place and then add stuff to it [16:36] i think its bumpin [16:36] looked great [16:37] scott-work: are you thinking about putting it up soon? [16:38] this week i want to flesh out more thoughts about the website... [16:38] what should go on there [16:38] do you host videos or use youtube? [16:39] utilize wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com for most of our information or on the website? [16:39] and pretty soon then we could start moving it into the right direction [16:39] we need to also see about getting someone else access to it [16:39] only me and eric is not enough in my opinion [16:39] and it would be nice for the other person to have drupal experience, i've got only very, very little and eric has a moderate amount i believe [16:41] i think using youtube is fine [16:41] theres so much related content to link to and get linked from [16:43] i've been thinking about how we could draw new people into ubuntu studio and i think the website should be the sharp point of that effort [16:44] my opinion is that the website would also be nice for experienced users for certain tasks, like getting download links [16:44] having youtube tutorials on the website would be good as well [16:44] maybe even some news posts about new applications or plugins [16:44] or even news posts about how to use specific plugins [16:44] a rolling blog type area [16:45] right [16:45] even just to give hints, like...using a plugin for something not expected [16:45] that would be something that doesn't really fit a tutorial type situation, it's just information [16:45] also, like the OSMP guys talked about in the beginning [16:46] getting involved and linking to LAU or whatever [16:46] having an ubuntustudio section at an existing forum [16:46] i can see andvantages and disadvantages [16:47] *linuxmusicans [16:48] exhibit A [16:48] http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7142 [16:48] im am messaging priavately with jaaxx [16:49] he used to work on the RT kernel with PClinuxOS (i think) [16:55] oh WOW, that's pretty cool [16:56] scott-work: we'll see [16:56] im trying to take a very friendly 'put up or shut up' approach [16:56] it would be nice to attract someone like that though [16:57] that could be doing backports [16:57] and actually code maintanence or whatever [17:00] but unfortunately i think that some of the things they are bitching about aren't things that you or i or he can fix, if ubuntu is dorking with moving stuff...*shrug* [17:00] but yes, it would be nice to encourage people to help with backports [17:00] yeah, but as we get bigger, we can influence that [17:00] that would be soooo nice actually ;) [17:00] i think [17:00] one quick wuestion, just noted on the list people talking about gdm - we are going to still use that even though ubuntu is moving to lightdm? [17:00] good point [17:00] jussi: no, we are moving to lightdm [17:01] err, "good point" was pointed at holstein [17:01] right, someone might want to point that out to the guy who was tlaking about gdm on the list [17:01] oh bah [17:01] wrong list :( [17:02] * jussi sighs and goes back to sleep [17:02] hehe [17:03] seems I dont read very well today [17:04] mentioning the website again, it would be nice to also include a section where we can list artists who use ubuntu studio [17:04] * scott-work works up a backstory to this.... [17:05] a 'made with ubuntustudio' kind of thing [17:05] i was listening to ratholeradio, which is dan lynch's (of linux outlaws fame) side thing and he interviewed a guy whose been wrirting music and selling records who did it with ubuntu studio [17:05] i thought that was brilliant and would be a great selling point for ubuntu studio [17:06] holstein: exactly, but take it a bit further [17:06] you can check out some of his stuff: http://music.conniptions.org/ [17:06] it's pretty well produced and sounds good [17:07] i think it relfects nicely on what ubuntu studio is capable of [17:07] and i think _that_ (not him in particular, but that people can use it to do stuff well) would be a great selling point [17:07] "it's not a toy for your bedroom...you can really do stuff with this!" [17:08] bandcamp is great too [17:09] BBL.. [17:10] i think bandcamp is great too [17:11] but i'm just thinking that if accumulating a portfolio of good/decent artists (from a production perspective, not if we like their music) that use ubuntu studio would be a substantive and great PR move [18:04] scott-work, I think what I would like to do is to just start working on parts of the documentation. [18:08] scott-work, should we just make a list of topics that we are working on, so we can see who is working on what? [18:14] ailo: we could or if you clearly have a particular field you want to attend then i can maintain a different focus [18:14] ailo: also i was hoping to discuss some more basic structure with you [18:15] namely the landing page and how to organize it from there [18:15] my opinion was that the landing page would be pretty general with some very large headings (scope-wise) which would then lead to dedicated pages for particulars topics [18:16] for example, the landing page would explain that this document is to help users learn and use ubuntu studio [18:16] I'm not fully sure about what the material will contain at this point, and I am sure new ideas will pop up during the process [18:16] then list some topics with generalized descriptions of what is included wiht each topic [18:17] like intro to ubuntu studio, installing ubuntu studio, audio tasks, video tasks, and graphical tasks [18:17] my larger thought was that if we can create these first pages then we can link them properly to help organize and not "loose" any pages [18:17] Starting from the top level first might be inspirational, but I'd like to start investigating what material we need and what it will contain. [18:18] sure, sure [18:18] i think we basically need everything at this point, i would say that we might spend more time trying to figure out what we can reuse from previous work [18:19] i'm guessing that you would want to focus on the kernel and audio work? [18:20] I think I can probably work on anything, but sure. Audio / hardware.. that sort of stuff [18:21] I think I would like to start with the hardware bit [18:21] And installing [18:22] scott-work, I don't mind if you do all the top level stuff. I'm happy to give you input of course [18:23] So, I would like to do one thing at the time. For each topic I'll look through what has already been done. [18:23] And try to resuse stuff [18:23] reuse* [18:26] that sounds good [18:26] hopefully i will have some pages for you to hang your stuff onto [18:26] by this weekend [18:30] I'll start working on hardware compatibility, minimum requirements and that sort of thing. And I'll try to finish that by this weekend [18:30] That should be a good start [18:31] scott-work, Have you thought more about video tutorials? I haven't investigated what already exists [18:58] i think we shoudl definetely try to incorporate video tutorials [18:58] ailo^^^ [18:58] rlameiro was talking about this as well, although i don't know if he wants to find them or make them [19:01] a hardware section could also discuss the difference between usb/pci/firewire audio interfaces [19:01] nothing too in depth, perhaps just some basic concepts and limitations [19:04] i've just come back from brainstorming for a user documentation landing page and i hope to get something to you in the next few days [19:13] I will try to gather all relevant material on the hardware bit, both audio and video [19:13] pci, usb and firewire [19:14] Once I have everything, I'll try to make it as simple as possible === scott-work_ is now known as scott-work [21:53] ailo: one other thing i would like for us to do is to notate any pages that might be deprecated [21:53] i suppose we could either just notate a certain section of the page or might even put a big note at the top of the page saying that it is deprecated [21:53] and if we are removing a link to that page we might even consider linking it from a deprecated link page [21:55] found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Deprecated%20Ubuntu%20Studio%20Pages [21:55] just for archiving and so that those pages don't get "orphaned" [21:55] but this may be crazy talk and unnecessary [22:42] hi there [22:43] falktx: there was something super important that i wanted to tell you but i forgot :( [22:43] probably that i'm glad your on the team and helping :) [22:43] scott-work: oh, that's a shame [23:04] scott-work, Seems like a smart idea to back everything up. [23:11] seriously though falktx, i really am glad you are helping us :D [23:11] scott-work: ok, I though I already did [23:12] scott-work: did the menu thing got pushed? [23:12] falktx: not yet, i want to wait until we see what cory comes up with first [23:12] scott-work: what is cory working on? [23:13] the xfce changes and the UI changes [23:13] nice [23:15] but before we push something to the bzr branch i would like to make sure it fits with where we are going [23:15] and that it is the right change in that context [23:16] ailo: this is a very, very rough idea of what i was thinking about the user documentation landing page, it's ugly right now but shows how the form could look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox [23:17] forget the ugly choice of colors, i just wanted something that had contrast [23:17] basically there's a header at top, a main body on the left/middle, and then a side bar on the right [23:17] rounding corners, creating space between the sections for separation can come later [23:17] scott-work: I did not add any of my custom stuff to it, I just adapted the old menu code to be more DE compliant, just like mine [23:18] falktx: oh, that patch didn't do anything about the menu structure? [23:18] scott-work: nope [23:18] falktx: aw shit, then we should probably get that pushed then :) [23:18] scott-work: the only thing it changes (fixes) is kde4-rosegarden and kde4-kdenlive [23:19] I though we should use "kde4/app" but it's "kde4-app" after all [23:19] i'll see about that by this weekend then [23:19] scott-work: please do [23:19] * scott-work has to go and pickup kids [23:19] scott-work, I would like to change some things. Hardware compatibility should be a subtopic of installation I think. [23:19] scott-work: getting this pushed means my work is actually useful and being used [23:19] ailo: that's cool, not a problem, just fleshing it out and playing with it [23:19] scott-work, Sure [23:20] falktx: your work is already usefull and being used by loads of people with kxstudio, my man ;) [23:20] I hope so [23:20] falktx: OH [23:20] i remember now [23:20] maybe I should check some stats... [23:20] ? [23:20] i pimped you out in my interview with the linux outlaws [23:20] really? [23:21] I haven't heard it yet [23:21] I was watching some LAC videos last night instead... [23:21] so now i've said that kxstudio was brilliant in my letter to LInux Format magazine (which they published) and now i mentioned you on LO :) [23:21] i'll get you a link tomorrow or later tonight [23:21] but i really ahve to go [23:22] LO ? [23:33] Linux Outlaws? [23:34] oh [23:34] damn, sometimes I feel slow... [23:35] falktx: Lucky for you. I feel that most all the time. [23:35] astraljava: I don't feel slow cause I have other people to compare me too... not you, of course, other people... [23:36] Hi Scott