charlie-tca | astraljava: I was the entire Xubuntu testing team for two years | 00:32 |
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SiDi | wait, what? | 00:33 |
SiDi | there is a team made of several people now? | 00:33 |
charlie-tca | Hello, SiDi | 00:34 |
charlie-tca | got about three people plus myself now | 00:34 |
* SiDi thought charlie-tca was a computer cloud's outer world interface with a human communication plugin | 00:34 | |
* charlie-tca seems to have a real testing team starting | 00:34 | |
SiDi | nice | 00:35 |
SiDi | how many developers are there now on Xubuntu? | 00:35 |
charlie-tca | two or three | 00:35 |
charlie-tca | three, I think, might be highter | 00:35 |
charlie-tca | We are gaining! | 00:35 |
SiDi | three who write code? Oo | 00:35 |
charlie-tca | well, three who package? | 00:36 |
charlie-tca | We just keep trying... :-) | 00:36 |
SiDi | okey, thats still a nice improvement :) | 00:37 |
micahg | charlie-tca: almost ready, trying to get a USN out | 00:37 |
charlie-tca | Okay | 00:38 |
Unit193 | charlie-tca: I'm doing alt guided resize install, restart, update, restart with a check of the install wording? | 00:47 |
charlie-tca | If you can, that would be great. If you are not comfortable with that, I will do one. | 00:49 |
Unit193 | I was just putting it all in one line to make sure I got it all! | 00:50 |
charlie-tca | looks right to me | 00:51 |
Unit193 | I had to do a manual resize on a real install | 00:51 |
charlie-tca | did it work? | 00:51 |
charlie-tca | It counts as a manual partitioning install | 00:51 |
micahg | charlie-tca: ok, here | 00:55 |
charlie-tca | I'm here | 00:56 |
micahg | charlie-tca: k, so you wanted to talk to me about timelines? | 00:56 |
charlie-tca | I don't remember... | 00:56 |
charlie-tca | what timelines? | 00:57 |
micahg | charlie-tca: lightdm | 00:57 |
charlie-tca | yes | 00:57 |
charlie-tca | when will be able to seed it? | 00:57 |
charlie-tca | do we have to build the front-end? | 00:57 |
charlie-tca | when will it be ready to try something with css? | 00:57 |
micahg | charlie-tca: well, I need to talk to mr_pouit about that, when he wants to switch, we don't need to build anything to make the switch | 00:58 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: you around tonight? | 00:58 |
micahg | but I have been getting frequent crashes lately | 00:58 |
charlie-tca | oh, oh | 00:58 |
micahg | I'd almost like to wait until robert_ancell looks at my crash first | 00:58 |
charlie-tca | That would not be so good. Is it something Ubuntu is doing to it? | 00:58 |
micahg | yeah, I think it's lightdm itself | 00:59 |
charlie-tca | oh, it's like 2 am in France. mr_pouit is probably sleeping/resing | 00:59 |
charlie-tca | resting | 00:59 |
micahg | yeah | 00:59 |
micahg | will try him in the morning | 00:59 |
charlie-tca | I am ready to toss gdm. It is upgrading to gdm3, right? | 01:00 |
micahg | already is gdm3 I think | 01:00 |
micahg | oh ,no not yet... | 01:00 |
charlie-tca | I see no reason to fight with it again to make it work right for us | 01:00 |
charlie-tca | How hard is building the lightdm front going to be? | 01:00 |
micahg | yeah, it should drop quite a bit of the oversizedness as well | 01:01 |
charlie-tca | Maybe I will take a look, if it isn't in some language I can't figure out | 01:01 |
micahg | charlie-tca: idk, there's an example greeter in there, depending on how much customization you want will probably say how hard it'll be | 01:01 |
charlie-tca | I want it pretty, I want it be right, I want it to be usable mostly, though | 01:02 |
charlie-tca | I solved one of my claws-mail issues. I had a domain expire | 01:02 |
charlie-tca | Maybe tomorrow I will try to set up thunderbird. | 01:02 |
charlie-tca | I heard it is not as hard as I seem to think it was for me to set up | 01:03 |
charlie-tca | As soon as mr_pouit gives us an okay, I am willing to push lightdm in. We can deal with a few crashes in it, can't we? | 01:03 |
charlie-tca | Do the crashes block the login? | 01:04 |
micahg | no, they just kill X after a certain while :) | 01:04 |
micahg | or after a certain action | 01:04 |
charlie-tca | Oh, well. Normal stuff | 01:04 |
charlie-tca | Are you sure it is lightdm? I got those with natty, a lot, with kernel oops and panics | 01:05 |
charlie-tca | Soon as I finish setting this system up, I can add lightDM to it. | 01:05 |
micahg | yes, got an apport crash even :)4 | 01:05 |
Unit193 | charlie-tca: It was stable non-xubuntu | 01:06 |
charlie-tca | Oh, goody | 01:06 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: oh, | 01:06 |
charlie-tca | ooops | 01:06 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: then it can't count, huh? | 01:06 |
Unit193 | 11.04 | 01:06 |
* Unit193 is too lazy to read up... | 01:06 | |
charlie-tca | That's okay. | 01:07 |
Unit193 | charlie-tca: Would it be helpful to try an alt kernel with it? | 01:07 |
charlie-tca | just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we handle it | 01:07 |
charlie-tca | with natty? | 01:07 |
Unit193 | Onririx | 01:07 |
Unit193 | ...close | 01:07 |
charlie-tca | it isn't the kernel doing it, that we know yet | 01:08 |
charlie-tca | I haven't had it running long enough to see if it will panic for me. | 01:08 |
Unit193 | Helpful in general testing... | 01:08 |
charlie-tca | just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we *can* handle it | 01:09 |
Unit193 | Did you see the pastebin? And is LightDM themed? | 01:09 |
charlie-tca | what pastebin? | 01:09 |
charlie-tca | we can theme lightdm, we get to build a front-end for it specific to Xubuntu. | 01:10 |
charlie-tca | I seem to have missed a pastebin. Do you have the url? | 01:10 |
Unit193 | I'm asking if it's themed at all | 01:10 |
Unit193 | *yet | 01:10 |
charlie-tca | Oh, I don't know. I don't have it running yet | 01:10 |
charlie-tca | micahg: Is lightDM got any theme yet? | 01:11 |
Unit193 | Not asking you to help, just letting you know http://paste.ubuntu.com/620327/ | 01:11 |
micahg | charlie-tca: well, instead of "themes", there are greeters | 01:11 |
micahg | lightdm-greeter-example-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-vala-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-python-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-qt | 01:12 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: that is normal for the development releases. We will be seeing that all through the cycle. | 01:13 |
Unit193 | charlie-tca: That's my Natty box | 01:14 |
charlie-tca | It looks like the answer to themes is a definite sortof | 01:14 |
charlie-tca | oh, sorry | 01:14 |
Unit193 | (I started one week from release) | 01:14 |
charlie-tca | The updates will add/remove bytes from the hard drive, so that too is normal. It won't always be the same amounts, though | 01:15 |
Unit193 | That's not the correct size (And it's hit the same number) | 01:15 |
charlie-tca | It's okay. Most of the numbers are just estimates, and depend somewhat on the sector sizes, drive sizes, and file sizes. | 01:16 |
charlie-tca | I can't really explain it all, but it is straight in my head. I wouldn't worry about it. | 01:17 |
charlie-tca | I got three systems here, and the installed size always comes out different, sometimes by a few gigabytes, due to the way the drives are. | 01:18 |
Unit193 | It's just really annoying... | 01:18 |
charlie-tca | yup | 01:18 |
Unit193 | That's just running updates... | 01:18 |
charlie-tca | I don't read most of the numbers | 01:18 |
Unit193 | It wouldn't help to test an install with an alt kernel? | 01:22 |
micahg | charlie-tca: so, the lightdm greeters support theming apparently | 01:22 |
charlie-tca | Great! so now all we have to do is get started with it :-) | 01:23 |
charlie-tca | Now I am more determined to get it in and working | 01:30 |
xrdodrx | LightDM can be themed with simple HTML and CSS :) | 03:08 |
xrdodrx | It's great, I really want it in the next Ubuntu | 03:09 |
xrdodrx | if doable in the schedule, of course | 03:09 |
charlie-tca | I don't think I can help getting it into Ubuntu | 03:09 |
xrdodrx | oh, xubuntu** | 03:09 |
xrdodrx | Sorry, charlie-tca . habit | 03:09 |
charlie-tca | we will have it in xubuntu as soon as we can get it added | 03:10 |
charlie-tca | Okay, time to see how bad I broke this now. | 03:21 |
micahg | hi mr_pouit, are you around? | 07:38 |
eee | hello everyone. Does anybody know how to set firewall up? | 08:52 |
Unit193 | eee: This is the Xubuntu dev channel, questions really only go in the support channel ( #xubuntu ) | 08:54 |
eee | ok | 08:56 |
mr_pouit | micahg: pong (feel free to handle the lightdm switch) | 10:07 |
micahg | mr_pouit: I'm not a xubuntu-dev, so I can't access the seeds | 10:08 |
micahg | mr_pouit: and do you want me to work on the merges as well (I remember just asking about syncs) | 10:09 |
mr_pouit | oh, right, send me a mail then, so I don't forget to update the seeds when I'm around my gpg/ssh keys ;-) (this utc+2 evening) | 10:12 |
mr_pouit | or maybe it's more straightforward to propose a bzr branch merge on lp? | 10:12 |
mr_pouit | you can do what you prefer ;p | 10:12 |
mr_pouit | (and maybe you should be in xubuntu-dev already? ;-) | 10:13 |
micahg | mr_pouit: I could attempt that if you like, this would be my first time modifying the seeds | 10:13 |
mr_pouit | it's not that difficult, you probably only need to touch /desktop, and s/gdm/lightdm/ | 10:14 |
mr_pouit | micahg: for the merges, I've reviewed them quickly, let me put that in a wikipage, and after you can choose the ones you want to do (and we can discuss what to sync or dpkg-vendorify) | 10:16 |
micahg | mr_pouit: ok, I have holidays this week, so I probably won't get to much before sunday, I'll propose a merge for the seed now though | 10:19 |
micahg | mr_pouit: I'm going to add the GTK example greeter for the moment, that's the one I've been using and seems to have deps that match xfce | 10:21 |
micahg | mr_pouit: merge proposed | 10:27 |
micahg | and they're jump to gdm 3.0, so the seed change is just in time :) | 10:35 |
micahg | mr_pouit: xubuntu-artwork also needs to not recommend xubuntu-gdm-theme or it will get pulled in, can I just upload a new version with that change or is there a branch somewhere | 10:39 |
micahg | s/it/gdm/ | 10:39 |
mr_pouit | micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup for the merge reviews | 10:46 |
mr_pouit | a quick review I did last week, so maybe not completely up to date | 10:46 |
mr_pouit | micahg: for xubuntu-artwork, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/oneiric (feel free to completely drop xubuntu-gdm-theme from the package, it's hacky, ugly, and we'll introduce xubuntu-lightdm-theme later I guess) | 10:48 |
micahg | mr_pouit: ok, thanks, I'll propose a merge for that as well, do you want me to upload based on the merge proposal? | 10:49 |
micahg | actually, I'm really tired, so I'll just make the proposal | 10:50 |
mr_pouit | lp:~micahg/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric looks fine, thanks! | 10:51 |
micahg | mr_pouit: cool, my first seed change :) | 10:51 |
mr_pouit | grbml stupid and slow wiki | 11:04 |
mr_pouit | I can't even find the page where are my user prefs | 11:04 |
micahg | mr_pouit: BTW, merge proposed for artwork as well, I left the files intact, and just modified debian/* | 11:04 |
micahg | mr_pouit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup?action=userprefs | 11:05 |
micahg | mr_pouit: ok, heading to sleep now, will review your wiki page over the weekend, have a good week! | 11:07 |
mr_pouit | aha, the french userprefs page has been spammed, that's why I can't access my prefs ;D | 11:08 |
mr_pouit | micahg: thanks, have a good vacation ;-) | 11:09 |
micahg | mr_pouit: thanks | 11:09 |
charlie-tca | Good morning / Good afternoon | 14:48 |
GridCube | good morning | 14:49 |
GridCube | cold morning tho | 14:49 |
charlie-tca | rainy here | 14:50 |
charlie-tca | Now got Oneiric with lightdm running. | 14:50 |
GridCube | today my a tecnich from my isp came :D no my internets went from 20kbs to 300kbs | 14:50 |
charlie-tca | If I go away, well... it might have crashed :-) | 14:50 |
charlie-tca | wOw! | 14:51 |
GridCube | XD | 14:51 |
charlie-tca | that must be really nice, huh? | 14:51 |
GridCube | it should be at 3000kbs thi | 14:51 |
GridCube | tho | 14:51 |
GridCube | yes i can see youtubes | 14:51 |
charlie-tca | can't please some people... ;-) | 14:51 |
GridCube | thats a huge success | 14:51 |
charlie-tca | I would like to be faster than my average 157kBps here | 14:51 |
charlie-tca | and I have to share that with 4 computers | 14:52 |
GridCube | he | 14:52 |
GridCube | once i live a whole month at 20kbs | 14:52 |
charlie-tca | haha | 14:52 |
charlie-tca | I been living with something real close to that for a year now | 14:52 |
GridCube | gods it was like dialup era | 14:53 |
charlie-tca | I know | 15:01 |
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astraljava | 2011-06-07 18:08:39 (2.68 MB/s) - `100Mnull' saved [104857600] | 16:08 |
astraljava | I apoligize, I just had to. | 16:08 |
astraljava | apologize* | 16:09 |
ablomen | astraljava, 17:51:43 (7.89 MB/s) - `debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso' saved [198064128/198064128] << amateur :P | 16:12 |
astraljava | ablomen: Grrr. | 16:12 |
astraljava | So, Unit193 doing the 32-bit tests today? | 16:13 |
charlie-tca | Can not change permissions or owner from the GUI in Oneiric | 16:35 |
charlie-tca | Maybe that is related to Users and Groups being broken? | 16:35 |
astraljava | Sounds like it, but I can't be sure since I always do that via CLI. | 16:36 |
charlie-tca | Unfortunately, for anything like changing owner/group/permissions, it requires a restart now | 16:58 |
GridCube | i know this might not be something ubuntu does, it sound more like something firefox does, but if you install firefox on windows you get installed, among the embebed browsers a searh on the RAE (Real Academia EspaƱola) Dictionary, but if you install firefox on linux you dont get the dictionary unless you particularly install the search plugin | 17:55 |
charlie-tca | Sounds like a spanish specific install ? | 17:56 |
GridCube | probably | 17:57 |
charlie-tca | I think firefox doesn't install any dictionary by default. I don't know why, but it might be worth a bug at mozilla | 17:57 |
GridCube | i mean in windows it does | 17:57 |
GridCube | but then firefox does not come pre-installed | 17:57 |
charlie-tca | Maybe even file a wishlist bug in launchpad for Ubuntu to install a dictionary by default? | 17:58 |
GridCube | probably, for the localization rigth | 17:58 |
charlie-tca | right. Windows is pretty specific on apps and proprietary everything | 17:58 |
GridCube | you choose a language and it downloads the firefox search addon | 17:58 |
GridCube | if available of course | 17:58 |
GridCube | just saying is something that calls my attention when i install firefox on ubuntu | 17:59 |
GridCube | even i do a fresh install | 17:59 |
charlie-tca | that's a good wishlist bug for us | 17:59 |
charlie-tca | It gets people thinking about why we aren't doing it. | 18:00 |
GridCube | :) | 18:00 |
GridCube | ok so i add up a wishlist bug | 18:00 |
GridCube | (not now, now i have to end my paper, NO DISTRACTIONS) | 18:00 |
charlie-tca | karma... :-) | 18:01 |
micahg | charlie-tca: firefox uses the system dictionary | 18:04 |
charlie-tca | What if you did not install a system dictionary? | 18:05 |
charlie-tca | dict is not a default for us, neither is dictd | 18:05 |
micahg | charlie-tca: it uses hunspell | 18:13 |
GridCube | i'm not talking about the "while you write" dictionary | 18:27 |
GridCube | im talking about the search box, the one you can choose to have google or ask or whatever, | 18:28 |
GridCube | in a fresh install of ff on windows one of the search engines, is the drae | 18:28 |
Unit193 | astraljava: Correct | 18:42 |
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astraljava | Unit193: Cool, I'll kick back and watch the game, then. :D | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | micahg: I have lightDM crashing every login now | 19:56 |
micahg | charlie-tca: cool :) | 19:58 |
micahg | do you have a test case or is it random> | 19:58 |
charlie-tca | test case = login | 19:58 |
micahg | charlie-tca: oh wow!, well should mr_pouit not change the seed? | 19:58 |
charlie-tca | it is every time, very consistent | 19:58 |
micahg | charlie-tca: is this a clean install? | 19:58 |
charlie-tca | Let's get it in the seed | 19:59 |
micahg | k | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | no, it is no longer clean | 19:59 |
micahg | he said he'll try to do that tonight | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | It doesn't seem to affect anything, I just get a crash report each login | 19:59 |
micahg | charlie-tca: can you enable apport to see if you can get a crash that's reportable? | 19:59 |
micahg | oh cool | 19:59 |
micahg | charlie-tca: can you file on LP for retrace please? robert_ancell said he'd look at mine today | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | Want me to report it next crash, or just report the crash I have in /var/crash | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | sure | 20:00 |
micahg | charlie-tca: either should be fine, I didn't have a reproducer, so I reported 2 | 20:00 |
charlie-tca | I will file one | 20:00 |
charlie-tca | The more users we have using lightDM, the better the reports will get and the easier to get things fixed. | 20:06 |
charlie-tca | fingers crossed now | 20:07 |
charlie-tca | Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete. | 20:07 |
charlie-tca | two minutes and counting | 20:07 |
charlie-tca | hm, I don't think something is working | 20:10 |
charlie-tca | still hasn't got through to launchpad | 20:10 |
Unit193 | I'll install it after I'm done "testing" | 20:12 |
charlie-tca | micahg: bug 794215 has a coredump attached | 20:12 |
ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 794215 could not be found | 20:12 |
micahg | charlie-tca: cool, thanks | 20:15 |
charlie-tca | np] | 20:15 |
charlie-tca | no problem | 20:15 |
charlie-tca | reporting issue with users and groups too | 20:19 |
micahg | charlie-tca: robert_ancell put out a call for testing, so I think we'll get prompt feedback | 20:20 |
charlie-tca | cool | 20:20 |
charlie-tca | hm, my day for coredumps | 20:23 |
charlie-tca | anyone heard from drc the last few days? | 22:03 |
DarkEra | charlie-tca, dunno about today but if i'm not mistaken he was around yesterday and sunday | 22:05 |
Unit193 | I found the xubuntu-testers on LP, shouldn't they all be testing Xubuntu? :P | 22:05 |
charlie-tca | I must have missed him, then. I haven't seen him since about Friday or saturday | 22:06 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: yes, but some will be testing an installed version only, some will test milestones, and some will test periodically | 22:06 |
Unit193 | Ah, ok! | 22:07 |
charlie-tca | and some will not upgrade to oneiric yet, but will be upgrading by alpha3 | 22:07 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit, micahg : nautilus is installing as part of todays Oneiric updates | 22:21 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: Oneiric 64bit desktop image fails to install today from the desktop | 22:22 |
Unit193 | OK! I test 32buit anyway! | 22:23 |
charlie-tca | Unit193: 32bit installations work today? | 22:23 |
micahg | charlie-tca: awesome :) | 22:23 |
charlie-tca | micahg: my thought exactly. It even opens on login! | 22:23 |
charlie-tca | at least it is hard to miss :-) | 22:24 |
Unit193 | charlie-tca: I had some issues with the install I was trying to do (User error) And I don't have the resize option | 22:24 |
charlie-tca | You have to have an existing full disk install to get the resize option | 22:25 |
micahg | charlie-tca: it's gdm -> gnome-settings-daemon -> nautilus-data -> nautilus | 22:25 |
charlie-tca | Can we get gdm replaced by lightDM? (seems like an echo in here) | 22:25 |
micahg | charlie-tca: mr_pouit has the merge proposal from me, hopefully he'll be able to get to it tonight | 22:26 |
charlie-tca | That would be great! | 22:26 |
charlie-tca | thankis | 22:26 |
charlie-tca | thanks, micahg | 22:26 |
micahg | well, at least the CDs are down a little in size from yesterday | 22:27 |
charlie-tca | I don't track sizes so good, either they fit a cd-r or they do not fit a cd-r | 22:28 |
micahg | I think we're going to not fit on a cd-r until close to alpha 3 | 22:29 |
charlie-tca | ouch | 22:30 |
micahg | well, let's see how much dropping gdm gets us | 22:30 |
charlie-tca | what if we throw out all the languages except english? | 22:30 |
micahg | that + s/gdm/lightdm would probably do it, but why bother at this point? | 22:30 |
micahg | charlie-tca: are you interested in seeding lightning and having calendar support out of the box in Thunderbird? | 22:32 |
charlie-tca | so we an alpha2 that fits a cd, and people will then download and try it? | 22:32 |
charlie-tca | A lot of xubuntu users can't do USB installs | 22:32 |
micahg | charlie-tca: ah, ok we can try to get it down to 720MB for alpha2, maybe lower | 22:32 |
charlie-tca | lightning would be great if we can do it | 22:32 |
charlie-tca | 720 don't fit a cd-r | 22:33 |
charlie-tca | where do you b | 22:33 |
micahg | well, overburning it bies :) | 22:33 |
charlie-tca | where do you buy one that size? | 22:33 |
micahg | does | 22:33 |
micahg | anyways, let's just see where we are at the end of the week | 22:33 |
charlie-tca | Last I tried, xfburn said anything bigger than 703 will not be done | 22:33 |
charlie-tca | agreed, waiting patiently, sort of | 22:34 |
micahg | xfburn needs some help :), but yeah, I think the cutoff that Ubuntu will be enforcing is 703 | 22:34 |
GridCube | D: i did zsync whit the iso file and it says its updated, but today erlier, when i killed the download, it said that it had a 38% difference D: | 22:43 |
GridCube | how do i force a checksum | 22:43 |
charlie-tca | zsync does an automatic md5 check | 22:44 |
GridCube | yes | 22:44 |
GridCube | it said so | 22:44 |
charlie-tca | You can do a manual md5 check using | 22:45 |
charlie-tca | md5sum imagename.iso | 22:46 |
charlie-tca | grab the md5sum from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 22:46 |
charlie-tca | If it says it is correct, you are up to date | 22:47 |
GridCube | oh | 22:51 |
GridCube | i don't see a md5 for alternate | 22:51 |
GridCube | i dont even see an iso for alternate | 22:51 |
GridCube | thats why then | 22:52 |
GridCube | somehow the alternate iso is not available | 22:52 |
charlie-tca | look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ | 22:53 |
charlie-tca | for the alternate image | 22:53 |
GridCube | oh | 22:54 |
GridCube | thats correct then | 22:54 |
GridCube | :D | 22:54 |
charlie-tca | micahg: I think we should install enigmail, too, for those without the knowledge to install it themselves. | 22:59 |
charlie-tca | but, we will soon run ourselves in the ground to do that kind of thing | 22:59 |
micahg | charlie-tca: ok, it's fine with me, let's see how we're doing on space at the end of the week though :) | 23:00 |
Unit193 | So I installed another OS just so I could do my test -_- | 23:03 |
charlie-tca | exactly, micahg | 23:03 |
charlie-tca | take it a day or week at a time | 23:04 |
charlie-tca | Xubuntu 64bit desktop installed from cd menu works | 23:26 |
charlie-tca | going fight with moinmoin desktop edition and python in oneiric now. | 23:36 |
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