[00:32] astraljava: I was the entire Xubuntu testing team for two years [00:33] wait, what? [00:33] there is a team made of several people now? [00:34] Hello, SiDi [00:34] got about three people plus myself now [00:34] * SiDi thought charlie-tca was a computer cloud's outer world interface with a human communication plugin [00:34] * charlie-tca seems to have a real testing team starting [00:35] nice [00:35] how many developers are there now on Xubuntu? [00:35] two or three [00:35] three, I think, might be highter [00:35] We are gaining! [00:35] three who write code? Oo [00:36] well, three who package? [00:36] We just keep trying... :-) [00:37] okey, thats still a nice improvement :) [00:37] charlie-tca: almost ready, trying to get a USN out [00:38] Okay [00:47] charlie-tca: I'm doing alt guided resize install, restart, update, restart with a check of the install wording? [00:49] If you can, that would be great. If you are not comfortable with that, I will do one. [00:50] I was just putting it all in one line to make sure I got it all! [00:51] looks right to me [00:51] I had to do a manual resize on a real install [00:51] did it work? [00:51] It counts as a manual partitioning install [00:55] charlie-tca: ok, here [00:56] I'm here [00:56] charlie-tca: k, so you wanted to talk to me about timelines? [00:56] I don't remember... [00:57] what timelines? [00:57] charlie-tca: lightdm [00:57] yes [00:57] when will be able to seed it? [00:57] do we have to build the front-end? [00:57] when will it be ready to try something with css? [00:58] charlie-tca: well, I need to talk to mr_pouit about that, when he wants to switch, we don't need to build anything to make the switch [00:58] mr_pouit: you around tonight? [00:58] but I have been getting frequent crashes lately [00:58] oh, oh [00:58] I'd almost like to wait until robert_ancell looks at my crash first [00:58] That would not be so good. Is it something Ubuntu is doing to it? [00:59] yeah, I think it's lightdm itself [00:59] oh, it's like 2 am in France. mr_pouit is probably sleeping/resing [00:59] resting [00:59] yeah [00:59] will try him in the morning [01:00] I am ready to toss gdm. It is upgrading to gdm3, right? [01:00] already is gdm3 I think [01:00] oh ,no not yet... [01:00] I see no reason to fight with it again to make it work right for us [01:00] How hard is building the lightdm front going to be? [01:01] yeah, it should drop quite a bit of the oversizedness as well [01:01] Maybe I will take a look, if it isn't in some language I can't figure out [01:01] charlie-tca: idk, there's an example greeter in there, depending on how much customization you want will probably say how hard it'll be [01:02] I want it pretty, I want it be right, I want it to be usable mostly, though [01:02] I solved one of my claws-mail issues. I had a domain expire [01:02] Maybe tomorrow I will try to set up thunderbird. [01:03] I heard it is not as hard as I seem to think it was for me to set up [01:03] As soon as mr_pouit gives us an okay, I am willing to push lightdm in. We can deal with a few crashes in it, can't we? [01:04] Do the crashes block the login? [01:04] no, they just kill X after a certain while :) [01:04] or after a certain action [01:04] Oh, well. Normal stuff [01:05] Are you sure it is lightdm? I got those with natty, a lot, with kernel oops and panics [01:05] Soon as I finish setting this system up, I can add lightDM to it. [01:05] yes, got an apport crash even :)4 [01:06] charlie-tca: It was stable non-xubuntu [01:06] Oh, goody [01:06] Unit193: oh, [01:06] ooops [01:06] Unit193: then it can't count, huh? [01:06] 11.04 [01:06] * Unit193 is too lazy to read up... [01:07] That's okay. [01:07] charlie-tca: Would it be helpful to try an alt kernel with it? [01:07] just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we handle it [01:07] with natty? [01:07] Onririx [01:07] ...close [01:08] it isn't the kernel doing it, that we know yet [01:08] I haven't had it running long enough to see if it will panic for me. [01:08] Helpful in general testing... [01:09] just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we *can* handle it [01:09] Did you see the pastebin? And is LightDM themed? [01:09] what pastebin? [01:10] we can theme lightdm, we get to build a front-end for it specific to Xubuntu. [01:10] I seem to have missed a pastebin. Do you have the url? [01:10] I'm asking if it's themed at all [01:10] *yet [01:10] Oh, I don't know. I don't have it running yet [01:11] micahg: Is lightDM got any theme yet? [01:11] Not asking you to help, just letting you know http://paste.ubuntu.com/620327/ [01:11] charlie-tca: well, instead of "themes", there are greeters [01:12] lightdm-greeter-example-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-vala-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-python-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-qt [01:13] Unit193: that is normal for the development releases. We will be seeing that all through the cycle. [01:14] charlie-tca: That's my Natty box [01:14] It looks like the answer to themes is a definite sortof [01:14] oh, sorry [01:14] (I started one week from release) [01:15] The updates will add/remove bytes from the hard drive, so that too is normal. It won't always be the same amounts, though [01:15] That's not the correct size (And it's hit the same number) [01:16] It's okay. Most of the numbers are just estimates, and depend somewhat on the sector sizes, drive sizes, and file sizes. [01:17] I can't really explain it all, but it is straight in my head. I wouldn't worry about it. [01:18] I got three systems here, and the installed size always comes out different, sometimes by a few gigabytes, due to the way the drives are. [01:18] It's just really annoying... [01:18] yup [01:18] That's just running updates... [01:18] I don't read most of the numbers [01:22] It wouldn't help to test an install with an alt kernel? [01:22] charlie-tca: so, the lightdm greeters support theming apparently [01:23] Great! so now all we have to do is get started with it :-) [01:30] Now I am more determined to get it in and working [03:08] LightDM can be themed with simple HTML and CSS :) [03:09] It's great, I really want it in the next Ubuntu [03:09] if doable in the schedule, of course [03:09] I don't think I can help getting it into Ubuntu [03:09] oh, xubuntu** [03:09] Sorry, charlie-tca . habit [03:10] we will have it in xubuntu as soon as we can get it added [03:21] Okay, time to see how bad I broke this now. [07:38] hi mr_pouit, are you around? [08:52] hello everyone. Does anybody know how to set firewall up? [08:54] eee: This is the Xubuntu dev channel, questions really only go in the support channel ( #xubuntu ) [08:56] ok [10:07] micahg: pong (feel free to handle the lightdm switch) [10:08] mr_pouit: I'm not a xubuntu-dev, so I can't access the seeds [10:09] mr_pouit: and do you want me to work on the merges as well (I remember just asking about syncs) [10:12] oh, right, send me a mail then, so I don't forget to update the seeds when I'm around my gpg/ssh keys ;-) (this utc+2 evening) [10:12] or maybe it's more straightforward to propose a bzr branch merge on lp? [10:12] you can do what you prefer ;p [10:13] (and maybe you should be in xubuntu-dev already? ;-) [10:13] mr_pouit: I could attempt that if you like, this would be my first time modifying the seeds [10:14] it's not that difficult, you probably only need to touch /desktop, and s/gdm/lightdm/ [10:16] micahg: for the merges, I've reviewed them quickly, let me put that in a wikipage, and after you can choose the ones you want to do (and we can discuss what to sync or dpkg-vendorify) [10:19] mr_pouit: ok, I have holidays this week, so I probably won't get to much before sunday, I'll propose a merge for the seed now though [10:21] mr_pouit: I'm going to add the GTK example greeter for the moment, that's the one I've been using and seems to have deps that match xfce [10:27] mr_pouit: merge proposed [10:35] and they're jump to gdm 3.0, so the seed change is just in time :) [10:39] mr_pouit: xubuntu-artwork also needs to not recommend xubuntu-gdm-theme or it will get pulled in, can I just upload a new version with that change or is there a branch somewhere [10:39] s/it/gdm/ [10:46] micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup for the merge reviews [10:46] a quick review I did last week, so maybe not completely up to date [10:48] micahg: for xubuntu-artwork, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/oneiric (feel free to completely drop xubuntu-gdm-theme from the package, it's hacky, ugly, and we'll introduce xubuntu-lightdm-theme later I guess) [10:49] mr_pouit: ok, thanks, I'll propose a merge for that as well, do you want me to upload based on the merge proposal? [10:50] actually, I'm really tired, so I'll just make the proposal [10:51] lp:~micahg/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric looks fine, thanks! [10:51] mr_pouit: cool, my first seed change :) [11:04] grbml stupid and slow wiki [11:04] I can't even find the page where are my user prefs [11:04] mr_pouit: BTW, merge proposed for artwork as well, I left the files intact, and just modified debian/* [11:05] mr_pouit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup?action=userprefs [11:07] mr_pouit: ok, heading to sleep now, will review your wiki page over the weekend, have a good week! [11:08] aha, the french userprefs page has been spammed, that's why I can't access my prefs ;D [11:09] micahg: thanks, have a good vacation ;-) [11:09] mr_pouit: thanks [14:48] Good morning / Good afternoon [14:49] good morning [14:49] cold morning tho [14:50] rainy here [14:50] Now got Oneiric with lightdm running. [14:50] today my a tecnich from my isp came :D no my internets went from 20kbs to 300kbs [14:50] If I go away, well... it might have crashed :-) [14:51] wOw! [14:51] XD [14:51] that must be really nice, huh? [14:51] it should be at 3000kbs thi [14:51] tho [14:51] yes i can see youtubes [14:51] can't please some people... ;-) [14:51] thats a huge success [14:51] I would like to be faster than my average 157kBps here [14:52] and I have to share that with 4 computers [14:52] he [14:52] once i live a whole month at 20kbs [14:52] haha [14:52] I been living with something real close to that for a year now [14:53] gods it was like dialup era [15:01] I know === Dr_Who is now known as tgall_out [16:08] 2011-06-07 18:08:39 (2.68 MB/s) - `100Mnull' saved [104857600] [16:08] I apoligize, I just had to. [16:09] apologize* [16:12] astraljava, 17:51:43 (7.89 MB/s) - `debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso' saved [198064128/198064128] << amateur :P [16:12] ablomen: Grrr. [16:13] So, Unit193 doing the 32-bit tests today? [16:35] Can not change permissions or owner from the GUI in Oneiric [16:35] Maybe that is related to Users and Groups being broken? [16:36] Sounds like it, but I can't be sure since I always do that via CLI. [16:58] Unfortunately, for anything like changing owner/group/permissions, it requires a restart now [17:55] i know this might not be something ubuntu does, it sound more like something firefox does, but if you install firefox on windows you get installed, among the embebed browsers a searh on the RAE (Real Academia Española) Dictionary, but if you install firefox on linux you dont get the dictionary unless you particularly install the search plugin [17:56] Sounds like a spanish specific install ? [17:57] probably [17:57] I think firefox doesn't install any dictionary by default. I don't know why, but it might be worth a bug at mozilla [17:57] i mean in windows it does [17:57] but then firefox does not come pre-installed [17:58] Maybe even file a wishlist bug in launchpad for Ubuntu to install a dictionary by default? [17:58] probably, for the localization rigth [17:58] right. Windows is pretty specific on apps and proprietary everything [17:58] you choose a language and it downloads the firefox search addon [17:58] if available of course [17:59] just saying is something that calls my attention when i install firefox on ubuntu [17:59] even i do a fresh install [17:59] that's a good wishlist bug for us [18:00] It gets people thinking about why we aren't doing it. [18:00] :) [18:00] ok so i add up a wishlist bug [18:00] (not now, now i have to end my paper, NO DISTRACTIONS) [18:01] karma... :-) [18:04] charlie-tca: firefox uses the system dictionary [18:05] What if you did not install a system dictionary? [18:05] dict is not a default for us, neither is dictd [18:13] charlie-tca: it uses hunspell [18:27] i'm not talking about the "while you write" dictionary [18:28] im talking about the search box, the one you can choose to have google or ask or whatever, [18:28] in a fresh install of ff on windows one of the search engines, is the drae [18:42] astraljava: Correct === davmor2 is now known as Nijerian_Prince === Nijerian_Prince is now known as davmor2 [19:02] Unit193: Cool, I'll kick back and watch the game, then. :D [19:56] micahg: I have lightDM crashing every login now [19:58] charlie-tca: cool :) [19:58] do you have a test case or is it random> [19:58] test case = login [19:58] charlie-tca: oh wow!, well should mr_pouit not change the seed? [19:58] it is every time, very consistent [19:58] charlie-tca: is this a clean install? [19:59] Let's get it in the seed [19:59] k [19:59] no, it is no longer clean [19:59] he said he'll try to do that tonight [19:59] It doesn't seem to affect anything, I just get a crash report each login [19:59] charlie-tca: can you enable apport to see if you can get a crash that's reportable? [19:59] oh cool [19:59] charlie-tca: can you file on LP for retrace please? robert_ancell said he'd look at mine today [19:59] Want me to report it next crash, or just report the crash I have in /var/crash [20:00] sure [20:00] charlie-tca: either should be fine, I didn't have a reproducer, so I reported 2 [20:00] I will file one [20:06] The more users we have using lightDM, the better the reports will get and the easier to get things fixed. [20:07] fingers crossed now [20:07] Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete. [20:07] two minutes and counting [20:10] hm, I don't think something is working [20:10] still hasn't got through to launchpad [20:12] I'll install it after I'm done "testing" [20:12] micahg: bug 794215 has a coredump attached [20:12] Error: Launchpad bug 794215 could not be found [20:15] charlie-tca: cool, thanks [20:15] np] [20:15] no problem [20:19] reporting issue with users and groups too [20:20] charlie-tca: robert_ancell put out a call for testing, so I think we'll get prompt feedback [20:20] cool [20:23] hm, my day for coredumps [22:03] anyone heard from drc the last few days? [22:05] charlie-tca, dunno about today but if i'm not mistaken he was around yesterday and sunday [22:05] I found the xubuntu-testers on LP, shouldn't they all be testing Xubuntu? :P [22:06] I must have missed him, then. I haven't seen him since about Friday or saturday [22:06] Unit193: yes, but some will be testing an installed version only, some will test milestones, and some will test periodically [22:07] Ah, ok! [22:07] and some will not upgrade to oneiric yet, but will be upgrading by alpha3 [22:21] mr_pouit, micahg : nautilus is installing as part of todays Oneiric updates [22:22] Unit193: Oneiric 64bit desktop image fails to install today from the desktop [22:23] OK! I test 32buit anyway! [22:23] Unit193: 32bit installations work today? [22:23] charlie-tca: awesome :) [22:23] micahg: my thought exactly. It even opens on login! [22:24] at least it is hard to miss :-) [22:24] charlie-tca: I had some issues with the install I was trying to do (User error) And I don't have the resize option [22:25] You have to have an existing full disk install to get the resize option [22:25] charlie-tca: it's gdm -> gnome-settings-daemon -> nautilus-data -> nautilus [22:25] Can we get gdm replaced by lightDM? (seems like an echo in here) [22:26] charlie-tca: mr_pouit has the merge proposal from me, hopefully he'll be able to get to it tonight [22:26] That would be great! [22:26] thankis [22:26] thanks, micahg [22:27] well, at least the CDs are down a little in size from yesterday [22:28] I don't track sizes so good, either they fit a cd-r or they do not fit a cd-r [22:29] I think we're going to not fit on a cd-r until close to alpha 3 [22:30] ouch [22:30] well, let's see how much dropping gdm gets us [22:30] what if we throw out all the languages except english? [22:30] that + s/gdm/lightdm would probably do it, but why bother at this point? [22:32] charlie-tca: are you interested in seeding lightning and having calendar support out of the box in Thunderbird? [22:32] so we an alpha2 that fits a cd, and people will then download and try it? [22:32] A lot of xubuntu users can't do USB installs [22:32] charlie-tca: ah, ok we can try to get it down to 720MB for alpha2, maybe lower [22:32] lightning would be great if we can do it [22:33] 720 don't fit a cd-r [22:33] where do you b [22:33] well, overburning it bies :) [22:33] where do you buy one that size? [22:33] does [22:33] anyways, let's just see where we are at the end of the week [22:33] Last I tried, xfburn said anything bigger than 703 will not be done [22:34] agreed, waiting patiently, sort of [22:34] xfburn needs some help :), but yeah, I think the cutoff that Ubuntu will be enforcing is 703 [22:43] D: i did zsync whit the iso file and it says its updated, but today erlier, when i killed the download, it said that it had a 38% difference D: [22:43] how do i force a checksum [22:44] zsync does an automatic md5 check [22:44] yes [22:44] it said so [22:45] You can do a manual md5 check using [22:46] md5sum imagename.iso [22:46] grab the md5sum from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ [22:47] If it says it is correct, you are up to date [22:51] oh [22:51] i don't see a md5 for alternate [22:51] i dont even see an iso for alternate [22:52] thats why then [22:52] somehow the alternate iso is not available [22:53] look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ [22:53] for the alternate image [22:54] oh [22:54] thats correct then [22:54] :D [22:59] micahg: I think we should install enigmail, too, for those without the knowledge to install it themselves. [22:59] but, we will soon run ourselves in the ground to do that kind of thing [23:00] charlie-tca: ok, it's fine with me, let's see how we're doing on space at the end of the week though :) [23:03] So I installed another OS just so I could do my test -_- [23:03] exactly, micahg [23:04] take it a day or week at a time [23:26] Xubuntu 64bit desktop installed from cd menu works [23:36] going fight with moinmoin desktop edition and python in oneiric now.