[00:32] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I was the entire Xubuntu testing team for two years
[00:33] <SiDi> wait, what?
[00:33] <SiDi> there is a team made of several people now?
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Hello, SiDi 
[00:34] <charlie-tca> got about three people plus myself now
[00:34]  * SiDi thought charlie-tca was a computer cloud's outer world interface with a human communication plugin
[00:34]  * charlie-tca seems to have a real testing team starting
[00:35] <SiDi> nice
[00:35] <SiDi> how many developers are there now on Xubuntu?
[00:35] <charlie-tca> two or three
[00:35] <charlie-tca> three, I think, might be highter
[00:35] <charlie-tca> We are gaining!
[00:35] <SiDi> three who write code? Oo
[00:36] <charlie-tca> well, three who package?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> We just keep trying... :-)
[00:37] <SiDi> okey, thats still a nice improvement :)
[00:37] <micahg> charlie-tca: almost ready, trying to get a USN out
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Okay
[00:47] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm doing alt guided resize install, restart, update, restart with a check of the install wording?
[00:49] <charlie-tca> If you can, that would be great. If you are not comfortable with that, I will do one.
[00:50] <Unit193> I was just putting it all in one line to make sure I got it all!
[00:51] <charlie-tca> looks right to me
[00:51] <Unit193> I had to do a manual resize on a real install
[00:51] <charlie-tca> did it work?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> It counts as a manual partitioning install
[00:55] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, here
[00:56] <charlie-tca> I'm here
[00:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, so you wanted to talk to me about timelines?
[00:56] <charlie-tca> I don't remember...
[00:57] <charlie-tca> what timelines?
[00:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: lightdm
[00:57] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:57] <charlie-tca> when will be able to seed it?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> do we have to build the front-end?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> when will it be ready to try something with css?
[00:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, I need to talk to mr_pouit about that, when he wants to switch, we don't need to build anything to make the switch
[00:58] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around tonight?
[00:58] <micahg> but I have been getting frequent crashes lately
[00:58] <charlie-tca> oh, oh
[00:58] <micahg> I'd almost like to wait until robert_ancell looks at my crash first
[00:58] <charlie-tca> That would not be so good. Is it something Ubuntu is doing to it?
[00:59] <micahg> yeah, I think it's lightdm itself
[00:59] <charlie-tca> oh, it's like 2 am in France. mr_pouit is probably sleeping/resing
[00:59] <charlie-tca> resting
[00:59] <micahg> yeah
[00:59] <micahg> will try him in the morning
[01:00] <charlie-tca> I am ready to toss gdm. It is upgrading to gdm3, right?
[01:00] <micahg> already is gdm3 I think
[01:00] <micahg> oh ,no not yet...
[01:00] <charlie-tca> I see no reason to fight with it again to make it work right for us
[01:00] <charlie-tca> How hard is building the lightdm front going to be?
[01:01] <micahg> yeah, it should drop quite a bit of the oversizedness as well
[01:01] <charlie-tca> Maybe I will take a look, if it isn't in some language I can't figure out
[01:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: idk, there's an example greeter in there, depending on how much customization you want will probably say how hard it'll be
[01:02] <charlie-tca> I want it pretty, I want it be right, I want it to be usable mostly, though
[01:02] <charlie-tca> I solved one of my claws-mail issues. I had a domain expire
[01:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe tomorrow I will try to set up thunderbird. 
[01:03] <charlie-tca> I heard it is not as hard as I seem to think it was for me to set up
[01:03] <charlie-tca> As soon as mr_pouit gives us an okay, I am willing to push lightdm in. We can deal with a few crashes in it, can't we? 
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Do the crashes block the login?
[01:04] <micahg> no, they just kill X after a certain while :)
[01:04] <micahg> or after a certain action
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Oh, well. Normal stuff
[01:05] <charlie-tca> Are you sure it is lightdm? I got those with natty, a lot, with kernel oops and panics
[01:05] <charlie-tca> Soon as I finish setting this system up, I can add lightDM to it.
[01:05] <micahg> yes, got an apport crash even :)4
[01:06] <Unit193> charlie-tca: It was stable non-xubuntu
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: oh,
[01:06] <charlie-tca> ooops
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: then it can't count, huh?
[01:06] <Unit193> 11.04
[01:06]  * Unit193 is too lazy to read up...
[01:07] <charlie-tca> That's okay.
[01:07] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Would it be helpful to try an alt kernel with it?
[01:07] <charlie-tca> just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we handle it
[01:07] <charlie-tca> with natty?
[01:07] <Unit193> Onririx
[01:07] <Unit193> ...close
[01:08] <charlie-tca> it isn't the kernel doing it, that we know yet
[01:08] <charlie-tca> I haven't had it running long enough to see if it will panic for me.
[01:08] <Unit193> Helpful in general testing...
[01:09] <charlie-tca> just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we *can* handle it
[01:09] <Unit193> Did you see the pastebin? And is LightDM themed?
[01:09] <charlie-tca> what pastebin?
[01:10] <charlie-tca> we can theme lightdm, we get to build a front-end for it specific to Xubuntu.
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I seem to have missed a pastebin. Do you have the url?
[01:10] <Unit193> I'm asking if it's themed at all
[01:10] <Unit193> *yet
[01:10] <charlie-tca> Oh, I don't know. I don't have it running yet
[01:11] <charlie-tca> micahg: Is lightDM got any theme yet?
[01:11] <Unit193> Not asking you to help, just letting you know http://paste.ubuntu.com/620327/
[01:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, instead of "themes", there are greeters
[01:12] <micahg> lightdm-greeter-example-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-vala-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-python-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-qt
[01:13] <charlie-tca> Unit193: that is normal for the development releases. We will be seeing that all through the cycle.
[01:14] <Unit193> charlie-tca: That's my Natty box
[01:14] <charlie-tca> It looks like the answer to themes is a definite sortof
[01:14] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry
[01:14] <Unit193> (I started one week from release)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> The updates will add/remove bytes from the hard drive, so that too is normal. It won't always be the same amounts, though
[01:15] <Unit193> That's not the correct size (And it's hit the same number)
[01:16] <charlie-tca> It's okay. Most of the numbers are just estimates, and depend somewhat on the sector sizes, drive sizes, and file sizes. 
[01:17] <charlie-tca> I can't really explain it all, but it is straight in my head. I wouldn't worry about it.
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I got three systems here, and the installed size always comes out different, sometimes by a few gigabytes, due to the way the drives are.
[01:18] <Unit193> It's just really annoying...
[01:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[01:18] <Unit193> That's just running updates...
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I don't read most of the numbers
[01:22] <Unit193> It wouldn't help to test an install with an alt kernel?
[01:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, the lightdm greeters support theming apparently
[01:23] <charlie-tca> Great! so now all we have to do is get started with it :-)
[01:30] <charlie-tca> Now I am more determined to get it in and working
[03:08] <xrdodrx> LightDM can be themed with simple HTML and CSS :)
[03:09] <xrdodrx> It's great, I really want it in the next Ubuntu
[03:09] <xrdodrx> if doable in the schedule, of course
[03:09] <charlie-tca> I don't think I can help getting it into Ubuntu
[03:09] <xrdodrx> oh, xubuntu**
[03:09] <xrdodrx> Sorry, charlie-tca . habit
[03:10] <charlie-tca> we will have it in xubuntu as soon as we can get it added
[03:21] <charlie-tca> Okay, time to see how bad I broke this now.
[07:38] <micahg> hi mr_pouit, are you around?
[08:52] <eee> hello everyone. Does anybody know how to set firewall up?
[08:54] <Unit193> eee: This is the Xubuntu dev channel, questions really only go in the support channel ( #xubuntu )
[08:56] <eee> ok
[10:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: pong (feel free to handle the lightdm switch)
[10:08] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not a xubuntu-dev, so I can't access the seeds
[10:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: and do you want me to work on the merges as well (I remember just asking about syncs)
[10:12] <mr_pouit> oh, right, send me a mail then, so I don't forget to update the seeds when I'm around my gpg/ssh keys ;-) (this utc+2 evening)
[10:12] <mr_pouit> or maybe it's more straightforward to propose a bzr branch merge on lp?
[10:12] <mr_pouit> you can do what you prefer ;p
[10:13] <mr_pouit> (and maybe you should be in xubuntu-dev already? ;-)
[10:13] <micahg> mr_pouit: I could attempt that if you like, this would be  my first time modifying the seeds
[10:14] <mr_pouit> it's not that difficult, you probably only need to touch /desktop, and s/gdm/lightdm/
[10:16] <mr_pouit> micahg: for the merges, I've reviewed them quickly, let me put that in a wikipage, and after you can choose the ones you want to do (and we can discuss what to sync  or dpkg-vendorify)
[10:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I have holidays this week, so I probably won't get to much before sunday, I'll propose a merge for the seed now though
[10:21] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm going to add the GTK example greeter for the moment, that's the one I've been using and seems to have deps that match xfce
[10:27] <micahg> mr_pouit: merge proposed
[10:35] <micahg> and they're jump to gdm 3.0, so the seed change is just in time :)
[10:39] <micahg> mr_pouit: xubuntu-artwork also needs to not recommend xubuntu-gdm-theme or it will get pulled in, can I just upload a new version with that change or is there a branch somewhere
[10:39] <micahg> s/it/gdm/
[10:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup for the merge reviews
[10:46] <mr_pouit> a quick review I did last week, so maybe not completely up to date
[10:48] <mr_pouit> micahg: for xubuntu-artwork, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/oneiric (feel free to completely drop xubuntu-gdm-theme from the package, it's hacky, ugly, and we'll introduce xubuntu-lightdm-theme later I guess)
[10:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, thanks, I'll propose a merge for that as well, do you want me to upload based on the merge proposal?
[10:50] <micahg> actually, I'm really tired, so I'll just make the proposal
[10:51] <mr_pouit> lp:~micahg/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric looks fine, thanks!
[10:51] <micahg> mr_pouit: cool, my first seed change :)
[11:04] <mr_pouit> grbml stupid and slow wiki
[11:04] <mr_pouit> I can't even find the page where are my user prefs
[11:04] <micahg> mr_pouit: BTW, merge proposed for artwork as well, I left the files intact, and just modified debian/*
[11:05] <micahg> mr_pouit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup?action=userprefs
[11:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, heading to sleep now, will review your wiki page over the weekend, have a good week!
[11:08] <mr_pouit> aha, the french userprefs page has been spammed, that's why I can't access my prefs ;D
[11:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: thanks, have a good vacation ;-)
[11:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Good morning / Good afternoon
[14:49] <GridCube> good morning
[14:49] <GridCube> cold morning tho
[14:50] <charlie-tca> rainy here
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Now got Oneiric with lightdm running.
[14:50] <GridCube> today my a tecnich from my isp came :D no my internets went from 20kbs to 300kbs
[14:50] <charlie-tca> If I go away, well... it might have crashed :-)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> wOw!
[14:51] <GridCube> XD
[14:51] <charlie-tca> that must be really nice, huh?
[14:51] <GridCube> it should be at 3000kbs thi
[14:51] <GridCube> tho
[14:51] <GridCube> yes i can see youtubes
[14:51] <charlie-tca> can't please some people... ;-)
[14:51] <GridCube> thats a huge success
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I would like to be faster than my average 157kBps here
[14:52] <charlie-tca> and I have to share that with 4 computers
[14:52] <GridCube> he
[14:52] <GridCube> once i live a whole month at 20kbs
[14:52] <charlie-tca> haha
[14:52] <charlie-tca> I been living with something real close to that for a year now
[14:53] <GridCube> gods it was like dialup era
[15:01] <charlie-tca> I know
[16:08] <astraljava> 2011-06-07 18:08:39 (2.68 MB/s) - `100Mnull' saved [104857600]
[16:08] <astraljava> I apoligize, I just had to.
[16:09] <astraljava> apologize*
[16:12] <ablomen> astraljava, 17:51:43 (7.89 MB/s) - `debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso' saved [198064128/198064128] << amateur :P
[16:12] <astraljava> ablomen: Grrr.
[16:13] <astraljava> So, Unit193 doing the 32-bit tests today?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Can not change permissions or owner from the GUI in Oneiric
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is related to Users and Groups being broken?
[16:36] <astraljava> Sounds like it, but I can't be sure since I always do that via CLI.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, for anything like changing owner/group/permissions, it requires a restart now
[17:55] <GridCube> i know this might not be something ubuntu does, it sound more like something firefox does, but if you install firefox on windows you get installed, among the embebed browsers a searh on the RAE (Real Academia Española) Dictionary, but if you install firefox on linux you dont get the dictionary unless you particularly install the search plugin
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Sounds like a spanish specific install ?
[17:57] <GridCube> probably
[17:57] <charlie-tca> I think firefox doesn't install any dictionary by default. I don't know why, but it might be worth a bug at mozilla
[17:57] <GridCube> i mean in windows it does
[17:57] <GridCube> but then firefox does not come pre-installed
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe even file a wishlist bug in launchpad for Ubuntu to install a dictionary by default?
[17:58] <GridCube> probably, for the localization rigth
[17:58] <charlie-tca> right. Windows is pretty specific on apps and proprietary everything
[17:58] <GridCube> you choose a language and it downloads the firefox search addon
[17:58] <GridCube> if available of course
[17:59] <GridCube> just saying is something that calls my attention when i install firefox on ubuntu
[17:59] <GridCube> even i do a fresh install
[17:59] <charlie-tca> that's a good wishlist bug for us
[18:00] <charlie-tca> It gets people thinking about why we aren't doing it.
[18:00] <GridCube> :)
[18:00] <GridCube> ok so i add up a wishlist bug
[18:00] <GridCube> (not now, now i have to end my paper, NO DISTRACTIONS)
[18:01] <charlie-tca> karma... :-)
[18:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: firefox uses the system dictionary
[18:05] <charlie-tca> What if you did not install a system dictionary?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> dict is not a default for us, neither is dictd
[18:13] <micahg> charlie-tca: it uses hunspell
[18:27] <GridCube> i'm not talking about the "while you write" dictionary
[18:28] <GridCube> im talking about the search box, the one you can choose to have google or ask or whatever, 
[18:28] <GridCube> in a fresh install of ff on windows one of the search engines, is the drae
[18:42] <Unit193> astraljava: Correct
[19:02] <astraljava> Unit193: Cool, I'll kick back and watch the game, then. :D
[19:56] <charlie-tca> micahg: I have lightDM crashing every login now
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: cool :)
[19:58] <micahg> do you have a test case or is it random>
[19:58] <charlie-tca> test case = login
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh wow!, well should mr_pouit not change the seed?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> it is every time, very consistent
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: is this a clean install?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Let's get it in the seed
[19:59] <micahg> k
[19:59] <charlie-tca> no, it is no longer clean
[19:59] <micahg> he said he'll try to do that tonight
[19:59] <charlie-tca> It doesn't seem to affect anything, I just get a crash report each login
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you enable apport to see if you can get a crash that's reportable?
[19:59] <micahg> oh cool
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you file on LP for retrace please? robert_ancell said he'd look at mine today
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Want me to report it next crash, or just report the crash I have in /var/crash
[20:00] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: either should be fine, I didn't have a reproducer, so I reported 2
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I will file one
[20:06] <charlie-tca> The more users we have using lightDM, the better the reports will get and the easier to get things fixed.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> fingers crossed now
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> two minutes and counting
[20:10] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't think something is working
[20:10] <charlie-tca> still hasn't got through to launchpad
[20:12] <Unit193> I'll install it after I'm done "testing"
[20:12] <charlie-tca> micahg: bug 794215 has a coredump attached
[20:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: cool, thanks
[20:15] <charlie-tca> np]
[20:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:19] <charlie-tca> reporting issue with users and groups too
[20:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: robert_ancell put out a call for testing, so I think we'll get prompt feedback
[20:20] <charlie-tca> cool
[20:23] <charlie-tca> hm, my day for coredumps
[22:03] <charlie-tca> anyone heard from drc the last few days?
[22:05] <DarkEra> charlie-tca, dunno about today but if i'm not mistaken he was around yesterday and sunday
[22:05] <Unit193> I found the xubuntu-testers on LP, shouldn't they all be testing Xubuntu? :P
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I must have missed him, then. I haven't seen him since about Friday or saturday
[22:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, but some will be testing an installed version only, some will test milestones, and some will test periodically
[22:07] <Unit193> Ah, ok!
[22:07] <charlie-tca> and some will not upgrade to oneiric yet, but will be upgrading by alpha3
[22:21] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : nautilus is installing as part of todays Oneiric updates
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Unit193: Oneiric 64bit desktop image fails to install today from the desktop
[22:23] <Unit193> OK! I test 32buit anyway!
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Unit193: 32bit installations work today?
[22:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: awesome :)
[22:23] <charlie-tca> micahg: my thought exactly. It even opens on login!
[22:24] <charlie-tca> at least it is hard to miss :-)
[22:24] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I had some issues with the install I was trying to do (User error) And I don't have the resize option
[22:25] <charlie-tca> You have to have an existing full disk install to get the resize option
[22:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: it's gdm -> gnome-settings-daemon -> nautilus-data -> nautilus
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Can we get gdm replaced by lightDM? (seems like an echo in here)
[22:26] <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit has the merge proposal from me, hopefully he'll be able to get to it tonight
[22:26] <charlie-tca> That would be great!
[22:26] <charlie-tca> thankis
[22:26] <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg 
[22:27] <micahg> well, at least the CDs are down a little in size from yesterday
[22:28] <charlie-tca> I don't track sizes so good, either they fit a cd-r or they do not fit a cd-r
[22:29] <micahg> I think we're going to not fit on a cd-r until close to alpha 3
[22:30] <charlie-tca> ouch
[22:30] <micahg> well, let's see how much dropping gdm gets us
[22:30] <charlie-tca> what if we throw out all the languages except english?
[22:30] <micahg> that + s/gdm/lightdm would probably do it, but why bother at this point?
[22:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: are you interested in seeding lightning and having calendar support out of the box in Thunderbird?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> so we an alpha2 that fits a cd, and people will then download and try it?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> A lot of xubuntu users can't do USB installs
[22:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, ok we can try to get it down to 720MB for alpha2, maybe lower
[22:32] <charlie-tca> lightning would be great if we can do it
[22:33] <charlie-tca> 720 don't fit a cd-r
[22:33] <charlie-tca> where do you b
[22:33] <micahg> well, overburning it bies :)
[22:33] <charlie-tca> where do you buy one that size?
[22:33] <micahg> does
[22:33] <micahg> anyways, let's just see where we are at the end of the week
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Last I tried, xfburn said anything bigger than 703 will not be done
[22:34] <charlie-tca> agreed, waiting patiently, sort of
[22:34] <micahg> xfburn needs some help :), but yeah, I think the cutoff that Ubuntu will be enforcing is 703
[22:43] <GridCube> D: i did zsync whit the iso file and it says its updated, but today erlier, when i killed the download, it said that it had a 38% difference D:
[22:43] <GridCube> how do i force a checksum
[22:44] <charlie-tca> zsync does an automatic md5 check
[22:44] <GridCube> yes
[22:44] <GridCube> it said so
[22:45] <charlie-tca> You can do a manual md5 check using 
[22:46] <charlie-tca>  md5sum imagename.iso
[22:46] <charlie-tca> grab the md5sum from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[22:47] <charlie-tca> If it says it is correct, you are up to date
[22:51] <GridCube> oh
[22:51] <GridCube> i don't see a md5 for alternate
[22:51] <GridCube> i dont even see an iso for alternate
[22:52] <GridCube> thats why then
[22:52] <GridCube> somehow the alternate iso is not available
[22:53] <charlie-tca> look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[22:53] <charlie-tca> for the alternate image
[22:54] <GridCube> oh
[22:54] <GridCube> thats correct then
[22:54] <GridCube> :D
[22:59] <charlie-tca> micahg: I think we should install enigmail, too, for those without the knowledge to install it themselves.
[22:59] <charlie-tca> but, we will soon run ourselves in the ground to do that kind of thing
[23:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, it's fine with me, let's see how we're doing on space at the end of the week though :)
[23:03] <Unit193> So I installed another OS just so I could do my test -_-
[23:03] <charlie-tca> exactly, micahg 
[23:04] <charlie-tca> take it a day or week at a time
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 64bit desktop installed from cd menu works
[23:36] <charlie-tca> going fight with moinmoin desktop edition and python in oneiric now.