[00:02] <debfx> EagleScreen: the relevant file is /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions/gwenview_importer.desktop
[00:02] <debfx> maybe the problem is that there are two groups in that file
[00:04] <EagleScreen> I dont uderstand what you mean
[00:05] <EagleScreen> any file is translated I think
[00:14] <EagleScreen> adding the tipical line: Name[es]=Abrir con el Gestor de Archivos; makes it translated
[00:16] <EagleScreen> this files are provided by kdebase-workspace (source)
[00:23] <debfx> EagleScreen: yes, but we strip those and look up the translations with X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain
[00:23] <debfx> bottom line is that we need to patch either the device notifier applet or something in kde4libs
[00:24] <EagleScreen> oh
[00:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's the last thing we're waiting to merge from Debian and it's blocking 4.6.0 packaging ....
[00:30] <transitlogger> ScottK: does ffmpegthumbs work with that patch?
[00:31] <transitlogger> like at runtime
[00:31] <transitlogger> also, did you try contacting the maintainer?
[00:31] <ScottK> No idea.
[00:31] <ScottK> No.  Just asked our libav maintainer how to fix it.
[00:31] <ScottK> That was his recommendation.
[00:31] <ScottK> If it doesn't work, it's not because of that patch.
[00:32] <transitlogger> well, yeah, just saying, there is little point in making stuff build if it does not work
[00:32] <transitlogger> ScottK: if you have a minute, it would be cool if you could try it
[00:33] <ScottK> It's just a function rename in libav.
[00:33]  * ScottK isn't running oneiric, so can't test it soon.
[00:34] <ScottK> Anyone got an oneiric install they can see if ffmpegthumbs works in?
[06:40] <yofel> morning
[10:08] <debfx> apachelogger: pkg-kde-tools currently adds the X-Ubuntu-Gettext... key to the end of desktop files, but it should put it into the [Desktop Entry] group
[10:08] <debfx> or am I wrong?
[10:19] <apachelogger> debfx: what else would be in there?
[10:20] <apachelogger> i.e. in what case would EOF != partOf(DesktopEntry)
[10:20] <debfx> apachelogger: solid actions
[10:20] <apachelogger> where may they be found?
[10:21] <debfx> e.g. /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions/gwenview_importer.desktop
[10:21] <apachelogger> debfx: yeah
[10:21] <apachelogger> very wrong
[10:21] <apachelogger> <3 l10n architecture
[10:23] <debfx> also I noticed that the translations in .notifyrc files aren't stripped
[10:24] <apachelogger> debfx: they are not .desktop files :P
[10:24] <apachelogger> by the definition of the mangler anyway
[10:25] <apachelogger> actually, I was thinking about poking upstream to adopt a new l10n system similar to what we do
[10:25] <apachelogger> loading the l10n from mo files makes sense in terms of up-to-dateness
[10:25] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah, but which part does the mangling?
[10:25] <apachelogger> like if you have a desktop file and copy it to your autostart dir
[10:25] <apachelogger> it will have outdated l10n at some point
[10:25] <apachelogger> debfx: something with mangler in the name
[10:25] <apachelogger> pkgmangler or something
[10:27] <debfx> ah ok, I thought pkg-kde-tools would do that
[10:28] <mfraz74> at what point should the sun-java packages be renamed to oracle-java?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i won't be able to do before 10th, so if someone else wants to take it up, i'll remove my name
[11:02] <Riddell> Mamarok: not liking kubuntu-devel any more?
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so like, see you at DS :D
[11:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: happy birthday!!!
[11:08]  * jussi waves to davmor2
[11:08] <davmor2> jussi: told you it was here that I'd heard of your nick :D
[11:08] <jussi> hehe
[11:09] <jussi> how are things davmor2? anything interestinghappened? 
[11:09] <davmor2> jussi: yes thanks :)
[11:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: huh?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pm
[11:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dont see no nothing
[11:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: why do you think that?
[11:27] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thank you :)
[11:27] <Riddell> Mamarok: I got an unsubscribe notice
[11:27] <Mamarok> whut?
[11:27] <Mamarok> that was certainly not me!
[11:28] <davmor2> jussi: how are thing with you?  did you learn anything interesting at UDS?
[11:29] <Mamarok> Riddell: but I did indeed not get any mail since May 29th
[11:29] <Mamarok> actually May 23rd
[11:29] <Mamarok> hm, not true, that was a cross-post to kde@
[11:30] <Mamarok> so the last mail is from May 13
[11:30] <Mamarok> the day I was moving
[11:31] <jussi> davmor2: learnt lots, was very cool. Currently a very exciting time atm, with the baby coming. Went to the ultrasound this morning, saw the heartbeat etc :=)
[11:32] <Mamarok> Riddell: how is this even possible? I was subscribed with various mail addresses so I could post from more than one, all gone
[11:32] <Mamarok> I am certain I did not unsubscribe
[11:33] <davmor2> jussi: prey for a boy, girls are too much trouble ;)  especially when they are older :) "What do you mean your seeing a boy!  Your 21 you don't see boys yet!" and you know it....
[11:33] <jussi> hahahahah
[11:58] <ScottK> Quintasan: Can you merge kdepim?  As usual shadeslayer is too busy to do actual work.
[11:59] <ScottK> davmor2: What I tell them (having three girls) is "You aren't allowed to date until after you're married."  Eventually they realize that's unlikely to produce a result they are interested in.
[12:01] <davmor2> ScottK: I found sharpening a BIG knife on the doorstep put off potential boys :D
[12:01] <ScottK> I did have to give one a speech on proper behavior once.
[12:02] <ScottK> Later the $DAUGHTER in question told me "We had talked about it.  We were going to kiss, but then he said he was afraid if you caught us you'd beat him up."
[12:03] <ScottK> To which I thought "Win".
[12:27] <debfx> the avahi package dropped support for qt3, which kde3libs requires
[12:27] <debfx> so I guess we just let it die this cycle
[12:30] <ScottK> It's removed from Debian, so it should go.
[12:32] <debfx> we first need to merge papaya, gambas2 and regina-normal from Debian
[12:32] <debfx> then we can remove kdelibs and kdewebdev-kde3
[12:34] <ScottK> I already filed a sync request for regina-normal.
[12:36] <debfx> I'll have a look at papaya
[12:45] <jussi> ScottK: you are a very scary man...
[12:46] <ScottK> People tell me that, but I don't see it myself.
[12:53] <debfx> bug #794513 :)
[12:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: project neon wont update my stuff unless I specifically ask it to install certain things, right? 
[13:50] <jussi> Hrm, I just noticed our partition/disk manager has back up and restore of partitions, which is damn cool. 
[14:18] <debfx> apachelogger: why do we have 3 implementations of the desktop file processing in pkg-kde-tools? ^^
[14:19] <debfx> that should be converted into a dh_kde_translations script
[14:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: eh what? all of p-n's deps are inside the ppa
[14:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: so everything is installed in /opt
[14:23] <maco> ScottK: i find it weird being so close in age to your daughter
[14:24] <ScottK> If age is a state of mind, there are probably days you're older than I am.
[14:25] <maco> heh if age is a state of mind, then im older than my passport says. had someone boggle when he found out i wasnt in my late 20s
[14:48] <didrocks> debfx: ScottK: so, i found that the crash was impact a lot of QML apps. Using -fno-strict-aliasing seems to workaround it and lead to no crash anymore (gcc 4.6 should be more agressive with this optimization). I reported upstream the relevant logs of warning and push meanwhile a new Qt with this
[14:48] <didrocks> + https://code.launchpad.net/~utouch-team/qt/touch-end-fix/+merge/63417 btw
[14:49] <ScottK> fabo: ^^^ Thoughts?
[14:51] <apachelogger> debfx: so we can haz fun
[14:54] <apachelogger> I am going to berlinz \o/
[15:01] <didrocks> for the desktop summit?
[15:01] <apachelogger> yes
[15:03] <didrocks> see you there then :)
[15:03]  * apachelogger hugs didrocks
[15:04]  * didrocks hugs apachelogger back
[15:19] <fabo> ScottK: it needs upstream review (most likely ddenis)
[15:19] <ScottK> didrocks: ^^^
[15:20] <didrocks> ScottK: you mean, about https://code.launchpad.net/~utouch-team/qt/touch-end-fix/+merge/63417 ?
[15:20] <ScottK> didrocks: Yes.
[15:20] <didrocks> fabo: I don't know ddenis, can you ensure he's aware of that please?
[15:20] <didrocks> ScottK: ok, just pushing the build change right now
[15:21] <fabo> didrocks: how xinput2.1 is implemented? I'm curious
[15:21] <didrocks> fabo: I think it's rather a question for cnd 
[15:21] <fabo> didrocks: sure, I'll ask him
[15:21] <didrocks> cnd: ^^
[15:21] <didrocks> fabo: thanks :)
[15:22] <cnd> fabo, ScottK, didrocks: ddenis may be able to review it, but he's no longer working on multitouch for qt
[15:23] <cnd> I'm not sure how responsive he will be
[15:23] <fabo> cnd: nobody else is working on it ;)
[15:23] <cnd> I am :)
[15:24] <fabo> cnd: it depends of the pov, that's why I'm asking how xinput2.1 is implemented?
[15:24] <fabo> I don't see the Qt xinput2 patch applied so it's something else
[15:25] <cnd> fabo, the patch should be applied
[15:25] <cnd> if not, it may be because ScottK backed it out at one point?
[15:26] <cnd> let me check
[15:26] <ScottK> IIRC I didn't back it out.
[15:26] <ScottK> There's a milestoned bug for Alpha 2 about the wacom issue.
[15:27] <fabo> ok
[15:27] <cnd> fabo, it's all in patch kubuntu_28_xi2.1.patch
[15:27] <cnd> it really needs to be cleaned up
[15:28] <cnd> ddenis just handed it to me and I fixed up some bugs and added it to the package
[15:28] <cnd> it doesn't really implement XI 2.0
[15:28] <cnd> just the multitouch part from XI 2.1
[15:29] <fabo> I have XI2 in meego and another path on top to support multiple device
[15:29] <fabo> s/path/patch
[15:36] <cnd> fabo, ddenis told me they would likely never add XI 2.0 support as it requires a lot of work, there are some corner-case issues with XI 2.0, and there's not much benefit
[15:36] <cnd> I should say that here I mean "Nokia would likely never add the support"
[15:36] <cnd> I'm sure if someone else did the work it could be merged :)
[15:37] <cnd> is your patch for XI 2.0?
[15:38] <fabo> yes, it's for XI 2.0
[15:38] <cnd> interesting
[15:38] <ScottK> KDE 4.6.4 is released.
[15:38] <cnd> can you check to see if it's basically what is in the patch we have for xi 2.1?
[15:38] <cnd> cause ddenis took some existing XI 2.0 code and added multitouch to it
[15:39] <cnd> it's just that the XI 2.0 code didn't really do much at the time
[15:41] <fabo> I'll check what we have in Ubuntu compared to MeeGo
[15:43] <cnd> fabo, thanks :)
[15:44] <cnd> either way, is there anything I can do to push the multitouch fix through?
[15:44] <cnd> it's really causing issues for some of our other developers who are wanting to use qml toucharea :)
[16:16] <debfx> cnd: I'll merge the branch
[16:16] <cnd> debfx, thanks :)
[16:18] <didrocks> debfx: wait, doing it then, as I've the other change pending
[16:19] <debfx> didrocks: sorry, I've already pushed the changes
[16:19] <didrocks> debfx: ok, I'll handle the conflict and redo my changes then
[16:21] <debfx> shouldn't be too difficult as it only touched the changelog and the xinput patch
[16:22] <didrocks> yeah, bzr rebase helped as well
[16:27] <c2tarun> what is the channel for kubuntu meeting?
[16:28] <ScottK> c2tarun: #ubuntu-meeting.
[16:28] <ScottK> Or not.  I don't see it on the schedule.
[16:29] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: When/where are we meeting?
[17:14] <fabo> cnd: denis disagreess. He'll comment on the patch
[17:14] <cnd> fabo, ok
[17:14] <cnd> thanks for scrounging him up :)
[17:23] <cnd> fabo, so there's a slightly better way to do it, and I will work on getting it updated
[17:23] <cnd> in the meantime, it is definitely better than before :)
[17:23] <fabo> great :)
[17:52] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:52] <_Groo_> anyone knows why nspluginwrapper is segfaulting in natty?
[18:03] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: it should be on the wiki and i sent an email
[18:04] <DarkwingDuck> im rushing home right now. (wife driving)
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: meeting in just under 3 hours
[18:28] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: I think ScottK was referring to the fact that our meeting isn't on the #ubuntu-meeting schedule
[18:28] <maco> ScottK: talked to ev about the prepare patch, made adjustments based on his review, waiting for re-review
[18:29] <maco> ScottK: is shtylman gone for good? cjwatson says he's the one that wrote the keyboard stuff on kubuntu's installer
[18:39] <debfx> dpm: why is the app-install-data template in the gnome language pack? it really should be in the default one
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> I filed a bug about that, sec
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> bug 649339
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> looks like it should be fixed once lang-packs start generating for oneiric
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> debfx: ^
[18:47] <debfx> JontheEchidna: aha ok, I wonder why we don't get feedback about such l10n issues
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> debfx: feedback from users?
[18:47] <debfx> yeah
[18:48] <debfx> oh you filed that bug in 2010
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> I think Intrepid and jaunty may have scared them all off
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> (international users)
[18:50] <ScottK> maco: shtylman doesn't use KDE anymore, so probably.
[18:50] <debfx> possibly but we seem to have at least a few italian translators that care about kubuntu
[18:51] <debfx> JontheEchidna: the categories aren't translated in muon sc
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah, not sure how to go about translating a custom xml file
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> well, it's standard XML, but it's not something that I can just i18n()
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> since it's XML and all
[18:53] <maco> ScottK: we lost him?
[18:53] <ScottK> Yup.
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I think if I can generate a .pot from the xml I can wrap the code where I grab the category names with i18n(), and everybody should be happy
[18:58] <debfx> JontheEchidna: where does that xml file come from?
[18:58] <JontheEchidna>  /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-installer/categories.xml
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> In the source, it's installer/categories.xml
[19:10] <bambee> evening
[20:51] <DarkwingDuck> GARRRRRRG
[20:54] <apachelogger> meeting in 6 min it appears
[20:54] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> And my HD JUST arrived. So, while I'm installing everything I'll be attending via my phone.
[20:56] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell_, neversfelde: around?
[20:56] <ScottK> Yes
[20:56] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: sounds inconvenient to me :P
[20:56] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[20:56] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: yes it is
[20:56] <apachelogger> perfect
[20:56] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck should probably complain to the guy that scheduled the meeting.
[20:56] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: yeah i've ripped him a new one lol
[20:57] <DarkwingDuck> could be worse... but i dont have my notes from spec reviews
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> on my sd card
[20:59] <DarkwingDuck> oh well, ill go off of memory as much as i can :D
[21:02] <apachelogger> rbelem, fabo: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[21:28] <dpm> debfx, there is a bug about that, and IIRC it should be fixed in the next natty langpack
[21:29] <dpm> debfx, bug 649339
[21:29] <dpm> (we'll be releasing the next natty langpack this week)
[21:30] <debfx> dpm: thanks, good to know that it'll be fixed soon
[21:30] <debfx> ^^
[21:31]  * yofel continues with 4.6.4
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> debfx: thanks for the patch
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I think it should work in theory. If the strings appear next time script runs then we'll know that it should be working
[21:53]  * ScottK hints at JontheEchidna that he should be paying attention to the meeting.
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, is that now?
[21:54] <ScottK> started almost an hour ago.
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> eek
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> my conversion is off
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> ack, I also have a piano recital I have to go to in 5 minutes :(
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> forgot about that
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> debfx: One thing, I need to change the i18n call to this: m_name = i18nc("Category", tempElement.text().toUtf8());
[22:04] <maco> ScottK: i messaged shtylman on twitter and he said the reason kde/gtk are different on the keyboard thing is that gtk one doesnt display the kbd image and he'll try to get a chance to take a look at that bug and point me in the right direction
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> i18n can't handle QString
[22:05] <ScottK> Cool
[22:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: are you awake now? ^^
[22:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[22:15] <rbelem> apachelogger, i missed the meeting :-(
[22:15] <apachelogger> no
[22:15] <apachelogger> still going on
[22:15] <apachelogger> plz join
[22:15] <rbelem> oh!
[22:15] <rbelem> great :-D
[22:22] <debfx> JontheEchidna: oh, the no testing included not having done a test build ^^
[22:32] <Quintasan> Riddell_: Oh, by the way, did you take a glance at that out of memory magic in bzr?
[22:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: we want plasma-active in neon, in fact, we want a snapshot ASAP in oneiric IMHO
[22:33] <apachelogger> afiestas can help with that
[22:33] <Riddell_> Quintasan: it's https://launchpad.net/bugs/746822
[22:33] <Riddell_> Quintasan: thoughts are to try installing a newer bzr on those machines, the current one is quite old
[22:33] <Quintasan> Riddell_: yeah, showstopper for our kdelibs, something and calligra builds
[22:34] <yofel> kdelibs kde-workspace kdepim calligra
[22:35] <Riddell_> go go kubuntu-council administrators
[22:35] <Quintasan> \o/
[22:35]  * yofel goes back to 4.6.4
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> win 24
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> oops
[22:36] <yofel> ^^
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> irssi fail
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[22:36]  * Quintasan goes back to chemistry then
[22:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Remind me at Saturday
[22:37] <Quintasan> since I'm trying to learn something for tomorrow and I will be drinking after I am done with that boring school stuff
[22:39] <debfx> bug #794760 needs a core-dev ack