[00:31] <tester123> Is there anyway to get rid of that unamed activity thing in the top corner
[00:37] <preecher> i know this isnt the right channel im just hoping someone may kno the answer before i get one from freenode or ubuntu--- i got a new modem yesterday(actiontec-thru my telephone co) and im using a linksys router--everything seems fine with the exception i cant log onto freenode---strange as it sounds i can get on dalnet though---any suggestions (i'm on a neighbours wireless now)
[01:08] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[01:20] <LINKSWORD2> I've got another problem. There is an option to have KDE announce the time at a pre-determined interval. However, when that interval has elapsed, i.e. every 60 minutes, I get a message that it is unable to locate ktsst, or something like that.
[01:25] <LINKSWORD2> I could use a little help...
[01:28] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: fire it out there mate - if someone knows they will answer :)
[01:28] <S74rk7> thats what I get told anyway.... I'm in need of some help myself
[01:28] <LINKSWORD2> I've got another problem. There is an option to have KDE announce the time at a pre-determined interval. However, when that interval has elapsed, i.e. every 60 minutes, I get a message that it is unable to locate ktsst, or something like that.
[01:28] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I usually hang out here to help people. But this time I've also got something to be resolved. ,lol
[01:29] <S74rk7> Anyone know how to see how much space is actually used in the / partition -- my filesystem + home are on seperate partitions - when I go in right click n go to properties it says its totaling 125TB ... I know thats not true I only got 320GB harddrive and the filesystem alone is on 50GB partition...
[01:29] <S74rk7> I usually hang out too - its a great place to learn...even if its just from others problems!
[01:29] <S74rk7> :)
[01:29]  * LINKSWORD2 chuckles
[01:30] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I can't help you with the harddrive issue.
[01:30] <wildgoose> S74rk7, I use Gparted
[01:32] <S74rk7> wildgoose: thanks I'll give that a shot!
[01:33] <LINKSWORD2> wildgoose: Do you know anything about kttsd?
[01:37] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: I googled it - says its a text-to-speech service
[01:38] <S74rk7> says if you dont want to use it you can remove it safely enough...
[01:38] <LINKSWORD2> I want to use it, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be working.
[01:48] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: kttsd installed? I remember playing around with that too - trying to get it to speak to time - I couldn't get it working either...
[01:49] <S74rk7> I had to install kttsd though... think I done it from the konsole just - sudo apt-get install kttsd
[01:51] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure if it's actually installed or not. :/
[01:51] <LINKSWORD2> We'll have to see.
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks, S74rk7
[01:53] <LINKSWORD2> I think it worked.
[01:54] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: Seriously? :)
[01:55] <LINKSWORD2> I'll find out for sure in about 5 minutes. Give or take a few seconds. lol
[01:55] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, qdbus org.kde.kttsd "/KSpeech" say "Hello World." 0
[01:55]  * S74rk7 fingers crossed
[01:55] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, quicker way to find out ^^
[01:56] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sorry, wildgoose, that went over my head. :/
[01:56] <S74rk7> is it a command to run in konsole?
[01:56] <LINKSWORD2> ... Good question.
[01:57] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, S74rk7, Just pop that in terminal, (should've been clearer)
[01:58] <LINKSWORD2> Cannot find '.say' in object /KSpeech at org.kde.kttsd
[02:00] <S74rk7> wildgoose: I've got that command copied and saved to try for when I'm in kubuntu again - I'm using gnome desktop enviroment atm...
[02:01] <LINKSWORD2> And what I just pasted above is the error that Konsole returns when I attempt to follow the command.
[02:01] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, /usr/bin/kttsd
[02:01] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, It is probably not running, that command should start it. Then try again.
[02:03] <LINKSWORD2> Just type that command in terminal?
[02:04] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Correct
[02:04] <LINKSWORD2> bash: /usr/bin/kttsd: No such file or directory
[02:05] <LINKSWORD2> Seriously... WTF? lol
[02:06] <S74rk7> browse to /usr/bin/ and see if its there mate?
[02:06] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Hmm, maybe try sudo /usr/bin/kttsd or what S74rk7 suggested.
[02:07] <wildgoose> S74rk7, Did gparted work out for you?
[02:12] <LINKSWORD2> I don't get it. It's not running.
[02:14] <S74rk7> wildgoose: Yeah seems to work great - thanks again... may I ask a question though?
[02:17] <S74rk7> I have my home directory on a serperate partition right... and I thought that was just a place where my documents n stuff would be located... but I see a whole load of 'hidden files' as in directorys that have . at the begining of the filename....
[02:18] <S74rk7> and they're totally 55GB of space on my home dir ... I thought all the systems odds and ends would be located on the / filesystem?
[02:19] <wildgoose> sorry I got kicked from freenode, I've missed the last 10mins
[02:20] <S74rk7> wildgoose: no problem :)  I'll bring my replies up again... hopefully floodbot wont shoot me :)
[02:20] <wildgoose> shoot back..
[02:20] <S74rk7> wildgoose: Yeah seems to work great (gparted) - thanks again... may I ask a question though?
[02:20] <S74rk7> I have my home directory on a serperate partition right... and I thought that was just a place where my documents n stuff would be located... but I see a whole load of 'hidden files' as in directorys that have . at the begining of the filename....
[02:20] <S74rk7> and they're totally 55GB of space on my home dir ... I thought all the systems odds and ends would be located on the / filesystem?
[02:21] <S74rk7> when I was installing linux I manually choose partitions and pretty much mounted / (root filesystem)  .... Home and my swaparea...
[02:22] <aikeru> hello ... is there someone that can help me with a Kubuntu question?
[02:22] <S74rk7> I basically want my home folder just as my documents - and anything system related.... stay with the system... I know linux is flexible enough to do this but can you spot where I'm going wrong? so I know what I need to research a bit more?
[02:22] <wildgoose> To my understanding applications and configurations will also be installed to the home folder.
[02:23] <wildgoose> aikeru, Ask your question..
[02:23] <aikeru> oh thanks :)
[02:23] <S74rk7> wildgoose: ok cool :) so that means if I reinstall my system... remount my home directory it will pick them up again?
[02:24] <aikeru> Basically, I have a GeForce EN9600GT nVidia card and I am trying to setup dual monitor
[02:24] <aikeru> I don't see a second monitor in settings and I tried googling about xorg config and such but I got pretty confused
[02:24] <aikeru> worried I might break something too :)
[02:25] <LINKSWORD2> !nvidia
[02:25] <aikeru> well I am pretty sure I have proprietary drivers installed
[02:25] <wildgoose> S74rk7, I think that's the idea, there may be a bit more to it, I'm not sure.
[02:26] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Where are you with ktssd?
[02:26] <LINKSWORD2> Still stuck. :/
[02:27] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Did you verify that ktssd is running?
[02:28] <LINKSWORD2> I've got an application now running called Jovie.
[02:28] <aikeru> oh you know, maybe reading it through the 2nd time helped :) I am still reading but I may have found it :)
[02:28] <LINKSWORD2> I don't know if that's the one or not.
[02:28] <aikeru> grateful for the help and people taking the time to be here to answer questions though :)
[02:29] <aikeru> is there an easy way to restart x-server in kubuntu?
[02:29] <S74rk7> aikeru: let us know how you get on :)
[02:29] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, No, I am referring to ktssd that should be running a process. You can check via the system monitor.
[02:30] <wildgoose> should be *a running*
[02:30] <S74rk7> aikeru: I'm just guessing here... but do you get the login screen when you first boot up?
[02:31] <aikeru> yes ... I think I can manage that part I have a new problem
[02:31] <aikeru> it may be simple though
[02:31] <aikeru> "Unable to open X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf' for writing ?
[02:31] <aikeru> this is from NVIDIA X Server Settings application
[02:31] <LINKSWORD2> No, ktssd isn't running. How do I enable it?
[02:32] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Hmm, maybe try sudo /usr/bin/kttsd
[02:32] <S74rk7> wildgoose: do you think aikeru should sudo the nvidia x server application?
[02:33] <aikeru> ahhh I think "sudo nvidia-settings" is working :D
[02:33] <aikeru> (even though I ask the question I don't stop looking :))
[02:33] <LINKSWORD2> When I tried that before, it didn't work.
[02:33] <LINKSWORD2> It asked me to authenticate for sudo, then said "command not found"
[02:33] <S74rk7> aikeru: good way to be :)
[02:33] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, What happens if you browse to /usr/bin then doubleclick on kttsd?
[02:34] <sean_w> The last update broke my Flash support. Help?
[02:34] <wildgoose> Linkmaster, Let me take one step back, you did install it right?
[02:35] <LINKSWORD2> Oy, what? I'm not Linkmaster... lol
[02:35] <Linkmaster> :D
[02:35] <wildgoose> haha, stupid tab complete
[02:35] <wildgoose> sorry to false ping you Linkmaster
[02:36] <Linkmaster> Its all good wildgoose
[02:37] <wildgoose> !flash
[02:37] <aikeru> Still getting the error after the sudo command: ERROR: Unable to open X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' for writing. BUT after installing python-gtk2 per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1482283 it can write to the file :)
[02:37] <aikeru> I will try logging out/restarting and see if it works
[02:37] <aikeru> thanks :D
[02:38] <LINKSWORD2> That's odd. It's not there. :/
[02:38] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, (in terminal) sudo apt-get install kttsd
[02:38] <LINKSWORD2> I did. lol
[02:39] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Wtf indeed
[02:40] <LINKSWORD2> And now you see my point....
[02:42] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Maybe try to remove kttsd then try to install again?
[02:43] <LINKSWORD2> Hold up. I'm gonna try a couple commands I found on Google. :P
[02:43] <LINKSWORD2> But first....
[02:46] <S74rk7> wildgoose: ever had more than one desktop enviroment installed on a distrobution?
[02:47] <wildgoose> S74rk7, Sure, why?
[02:48] <S74rk7> I'm asking as ... I've got Ubuntu 64 11.04 installed.... I then installed KDE 4.6 + XFCE from the apt-get repositories....
[02:49] <S74rk7> and I've installed the various goodies etc .... but sometimes when I boot into either desktop... only sometimes... I get asked my keyring password... but 3 times...
[02:51] <S74rk7> is that because of the 3 desktop enviroments ??
[02:52] <S74rk7> my questions is just where should I go to look and investigate this kind of thing... just to see whats causing this when it happens..
[02:52] <LINKSWORD2> That wasn't the right idea...
[02:52] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: how'd you get on? :)
[02:52] <LINKSWORD2> That wasn't the right idea...
[02:52] <LINKSWORD2> It's still not working, apparently....
[02:53] <S74rk7> run in konsole again " sudo apt-get install kttsd "
[02:54] <S74rk7> if it is definately installed it will say at the bottom something like 0 newly installed n all that jazz...
[02:54] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, that's what I just got.
[02:54] <S74rk7> ok hold up... I'm gonna log out and into kubuntu here... should have ages ago :)
[02:54] <S74rk7> brb
[03:00] <S74rk7> back - how you getting on with kttsd
[03:01] <S74rk7> I'm gonna mess around here myself see if I can help you out
[03:01] <LINKSWORD2> I've run out of ideas. Go ahead and mess around with it and let me know.
[03:05] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: did you find the file kttsd itself when you browsed for it??
[03:05] <LINKSWORD2> No.
[03:05] <LINKSWORD2> For some reason, it installs, but it doesn't show up in the folder.
[03:06] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: try this too in konsole - "sudo apt-get install jovie"
[03:07] <wildgoose> S74rk7, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/login-keyring-824099/
[03:07] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: I installed that and kttsd that last time I was playing around... mines working...
[03:08] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Did you try to uninstall then install kttsd again.
[03:08] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah. And I've tried about 8 times, I'd wager.
[03:09] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: did you install jovie too?
[03:09] <LINKSWORD2> Yes.
[03:10] <LINKSWORD2> The Konsole terminal says that it has the latest versions, 0 installed, 0 updated, 0 removed or whatever.
[03:11] <S74rk7> open jovie
[03:14] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: did you open jovie?
[03:18] <S74rk7> wildgoose: thanks btw for the link ref: keyrings... I'm reading through now :)
[03:20] <LINKSWORD2> Jovie is open.
[03:23] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: I found another process running on mine called "speech-dispatcher"
[03:24] <S74rk7> "sudo apt-get install speech-dispatcher" if you wanna install that too... when I searched it they seem to be linked....
[03:24] <LINKSWORD2> Looks like it is already installed.
[03:24] <LINKSWORD2> Or my system is full of bullshit... >.>
[03:26] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: try restarting mate - I would tell you how to start and stop services but I dont know how... reboot... it will maybe start up the services properly
[03:27] <LINKSWORD2> Is Jovie the program that needs to be running? Or perhaps that speech dispatcher?
[03:27] <dors> greetings... please, i have an issue, after upgrading an 10.10 partition to 11.04, i just lost keyboard and mouse function in X, keyboard works in text mode but if i call gdm or kdm i cant login, i tried upgrading , fixing packages (apt-get install -f), tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but so far no improvement, any ideas appreciated, thanks
[03:29] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: both are running at the minute... I didnt start speech dispatcher at all... and jovie seem to open when I went and turned on the talking clock thing lol
[03:30] <S74rk7> I'm running a search to see where kttsd is... and speech dispatcher
[03:30] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I don't know what's wrong with it. I'm starting to hate this thing.
[03:31] <wildgoose> dors, If you boot into runlevel 3, does the keyboard work?
[03:32] <dors> i didnt try goint to level 3 wildgoose, maybe i should, i will need to reboot to test that
[03:33] <wildgoose> S74rk7, That keyring issue is strange for you in that it only happens sometimes though, I believe when I had that issue it would happen every boot.
[03:33] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: ok - know where speech-dispatcher is now
[03:33] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah? What's the shimmy on it?
[03:34] <dors> i will try that and see what happens, thanks for the help wildgoose, bbs
[03:34] <wildgoose> dors, Sorry I misread, you said it works in text but not WM
[03:34] <wildgoose> no need to try
[03:34] <S74rk7> wildgoose: just in time :)  how would I help LINKSWORD2 start speech-dispatcher from konsole??? just typing "/usr/bin/speech-dispatcher"    do ok?? thats its location on my system
[03:35] <wildgoose> S74rk7, Yes that's the same syntax I used with kttsd.
[03:36] <S74rk7> LINKSWORD2: you get that ok??
[03:36] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah.
[03:36] <S74rk7> any joy?
[03:37] <S74rk7> wildgoose: I know what you mean... I would be happy enough if it happened everytime... but it doesn't... it happened earlier when I booted into kde
[03:38] <S74rk7> wildgoose: the fact that its intermitant has got me curious :D usually shows somethings mucking about...
[03:40] <dors> wildgoose: no, level 3 wont make any difference, i yet have no keyboard or mouse interaction in x login
[03:40] <arindom> Hello!! Need help about how to voice chat in Kopete.
[03:41] <arindom> As per I recall there was an option to talk with google talk users in Kopete. But I can't seem to find kopete-gcall now in Natty.
[03:43] <arindom> Any help will be appeciated
[03:43] <LINKSWORD2> I think it might be fixed. I've gotta restart to make sure.
[03:45] <wildgoose> dors, Is this how you tried to fix packages? reboot on recovery mode ("shift" key down at bios end process to see the grub menu) then select "repair packages"
[03:46] <dors> wildgoose:  no, i did the apt-get install -f, and also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but not that way you said
[03:47] <dors> always i boot in recovery mode or no keyboard
[03:48] <dors> i dont think i have any 'repair packages' option in grub level, is that the text mode menu of the recovery mode,after grub you mean?
[03:56] <wildgoose> dors, This looks to be a common issue, unfortunately I don't know the answer.
[03:57] <dors> (: ok,thank you anyway wildgoose
[03:58] <dors> i will keep looking since that partition is important for me to work and it would take weeks to remake, if i have any answer i publish it
[04:09] <dors> is there a way to downgrade from 11.04 back to 10.10?
[04:10] <tsimpson> only by reinstalling
[04:11] <dors> mmm ok, sad, thanks tsimpson
[04:11] <tsimpson> downgrading an entire release would be insanely complex, and would probably create more problems than it solves
[04:11] <dors> indeed, i see what you mean
[04:13] <dors> i was got in a 'upgrade scam' heheh, i was not intending to upgrade to 11.04, and i did just a apt-get upgrade, and this command just gone upgrading the distro automatically, my insticts said 'no, dont go natty just now', but the opgrade thing just decided for me, bad
[04:14] <tsimpson> unlikely
[04:14] <dors> it really happened tsimpson
[04:14] <tsimpson> apt-get upgrade will not upgrade a release
[04:14] <tsimpson> it can't
[04:14] <dors> it happened
[04:15] <tsimpson> well, whatever happened with you, it wasn't apt-get
[04:15] <dors> i saw, and i should have interrupted it, but i let it go
[04:15] <S74rk7> did you add any ppa's or anything to your software sources?
[04:15] <tsimpson> apt-get can't, on its own, upgrade a release
[04:15] <dors> i did even in command line mode, so i saw it all
[04:15] <c2tarun> dors, can you pastebin your command prompt?
[04:15] <tsimpson> you'd have to use "do-release-upgrade" in command line to actually start the upgrade
[04:15] <dors> so, some bug happened, it did that, it upgraded my distro
[04:16] <tsimpson> apt-get can't do it on its own
[04:16] <c2tarun> dors, you sure your dist is upgraded? did you check it?
[04:16] <dors> mmmm c2, i need to reboot this machine, and the results of old commands gone by now, i have olny history
[04:17] <dors> my /etc/issue got upgraded while i was looking
[04:17] <wildgoose> dors, Can you run a live-cd to back up your home directory?
[04:17] <c2tarun> dors, try running lsb_release -a on command prompt
[04:17] <dors> it was 10.10... then it gone 11.04
[04:17] <tsimpson> "lsb_release -sr" is shorter
[04:17] <c2tarun> yeah ^^
[04:18] <dors> first, the 'aobut ubuntu' gone to natty, very fast after the apt-get upgrade, then during the process my /etc/issue changed to 11.04
[04:18] <dors> 'about ubuntu'
[04:19] <dors> i saw the upgrade changing issue and lsb_release
[04:19] <dors> apt-get upgrade
[04:19] <tsimpson> all I can tell you is that apt-get can not upgrade your release
[04:19] <tsimpson> it can not
[04:19] <dors> it should not
[04:19] <c2tarun> dors, hmm... well technically this seems impossible. but since you are saying then it might be a bug.
[04:19] <dors> but it did
[04:19] <tsimpson> if an upgrade happened, then something else did it
[04:19] <tsimpson> no, it can not (not should not _can not_)
[04:19]  * c2tarun agree with tsimpson 
[04:20] <dors> i undesrtand the can not, i'm a programmer too, but mmm, it did
[04:20] <tsimpson> well it can't, so something else did
[04:20] <dors> k
[04:20] <c2tarun> okay guys stop fighting :)
[04:20] <S74rk7> its hardly impossible though :)
[04:21] <tsimpson> there isn't much in the universe that is "impossible", don't mean externally unlikely events happen often
[04:21]  * c2tarun someone is lying :) tsimpson is too geek to lie ;)
[04:21] <dors> maybe i just pressed some enter that i didnt notice  in gnome, but mmm, the result of the text mode command apt-get upgrade had in it the changing of /etc/issue and /etc/lsb_release
[04:21] <wildgoose> dors, This looks like a issue that doesn't just apply to kubuntu, I would suggest heading over to #ubuntu, where there are ~1000 more people around
[04:21] <dors> thanks again wildgoose
[04:22] <c2tarun> #ubuntu suks, there is so much traffic, it isn't even possible to discuss properly
[04:22] <tsimpson> I highly doubt that an "apt-get update" would offer an upgrade, as many server use unattended updates
[04:22]  * wildgoose thinks dors isn't getting anywhere here.
[04:23] <dors> apt-get upgrade tsimpson, not update
[04:23] <tsimpson> yeah, upgrade
[04:23] <dors> even so it should not do a distro upgrade
[04:23] <c2tarun> that either
[04:23] <dors> k
[04:23] <tsimpson> even so, the whole point of "upgrade" is that it doesn't install anything that isn't already installed
[04:23] <tsimpson> so a full release upgrade is far out of the scope of it
[04:24] <tsimpson> that is, unless someone edited your sources list(s) to point to natty
[04:24] <c2tarun> anyway dors if you dont like natty, try to backup your home partition and then reinstall maverick, if you are on slow connection make a backup of /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:24] <dors> if it was the usual upgrade i do allways i 'd not have any problems, the thing is this time, the upgrade gone into a distro upgrade
[04:25] <dors> thanks c2tarun, i will think with calm and decide tomorrow what to do
[04:25] <tsimpson> look at /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade and see if it has maverick sources or not
[04:26] <tsimpson> the upgrade tools always backup the old sources before an upgrade, so if it's not maverick, then someone edited the sources manually (which is just wrong)
[04:27] <dors> the /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade in that partition has entries to maverick yea
[04:27] <tsimpson> then the upgrade tool was run, not apt-get :)
[04:27] <dors> "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner"  and others alike
[04:27] <tsimpson> apt-get doesn't modify sources
[04:28] <tsimpson> I can't say how it was run, but something/someone ran it
[04:29] <tsimpson> does anyone else use the computer, could they have decided to run the upgrade?
[04:29] <dors> i'm the sysadmin and this is a development machine
[04:30] <dors> no, others 'd not run technical things here
[04:30] <wildgoose> Solving how it ran doesn't fix the keyboard/mouse issue
[04:30]  * S74rk7 was thinking the same
[04:31] <dors> heh
[04:31] <tsimpson> but it may stop you from antecedently upgrading again
[04:31] <wildgoose> tsimpson, Lmao, lets cross that bridge when we get to it.
[04:32]  * S74rk7 lmao
[04:33] <S74rk7> tsimpson: may I ask though - I ran I think it was "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is that something similar that may have happened to dors?
[04:33] <wildgoose> /var/log/auth.log would have a record of what ran the dist-upgrade
[04:34] <tsimpson> the only difference between "dist-upgrade" and "upgrade" is that the latter won't install any new packages (new dependencies)
[04:34] <dors> i did issued a dist-upgrade command, just for clarification
[04:34] <tsimpson> neither will upgrade your release
[04:34] <dors> i did NOT issue a dist-upgrade command, just for clarification
[04:35] <dors> correcting^
[04:35] <wildgoose> I ssh'd in and ran it while you slept
[04:36] <S74rk7> dors: I wasnt implying you were :) I was just asking a question... wasnt hinting at you or anything
[04:36] <S74rk7> :)
[04:36] <S74rk7> wildgoose: you showing off now :) whats ssh'd ?
[04:38] <dors> (: oh sure S74rk7, and i appreciate your help and any help btw
[04:38] <dors> this spirit makes open source so good
[04:40] <wildgoose> S74rk7, In a word ssh is a way to get access to any machine on a network.
[04:43] <S74rk7> wildgoose: thanks for that :)  I'm reading now on wiki... secure shell protocol ?
[04:45] <dors> yes ssh is a secure shell protocol
[04:45] <dors> it uses secure sockets layer thing
[04:45] <Ghost_Who_Walks> guys what does this command do "sudo unity --distro"
[05:20] <DanaG> Hmm, I just installed kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu system, and made KDM default... and now when I try to log in, it immediately takes me back to the login screen.
[05:20] <DanaG> Even "recovery console" does this.
[05:22] <susundberg> DanaG: login screen as graphical login screen? Does it start to load kde?
[05:23] <Daskreech> DanaG: can you check your ~/.xsession-errors file ?
[05:24] <sizz> I added ppa:kubuntu-ppa to my sources then ran an update/upgrade, but it didn't pull in KDE 4.6.3.  Do I have to do additional commands as well?
[05:32] <Daskreech> sizz: no that should work
[05:35] <S74rk7> kubuntu-full?
[05:38] <DanaG> Daskreech: .xsession-errors is entirely empty.
[05:38] <DanaG> Yes, by "login screen", I mean it goes back to KDM.
[05:39] <Daskreech> DanaG: can you login to the cli ?
[05:39] <DanaG> Yup.  Running Finch from there right now.  I'll try logging into Gnome via KDM.
[05:39] <DanaG> No-go on that.
[05:39] <DanaG> SO it's likely a KDM issue.
[05:41] <DanaG> I'll pastebin kdm.log.
[05:41] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/621474/
[05:41] <DanaG> Yay for gpm.
[05:44] <DanaG> Logging into kde via GDM works.
[05:47] <iflema> DanaG: try      sudo service dbus status        is dbus running?  How was the kubuntu-desktop package installed? apt-get synatic etc..?? Ubuntu version/release?
[06:01] <DanaG> Aptitude, on Natty.
[06:01] <DanaG> dbus is running.
[06:02] <DanaG> Say, is there any premade config of Kubuntu that's ideal for tablet PCs?
[06:02] <DanaG> Tablet PC as in one with a pen (no touch).
[06:02] <DanaG> Not that I use the tablet feature very often, even in Windows...
[06:03] <DanaG> The "bulky" widgets in Oxygen are actually an advantage when using a pen.
[06:07] <DanaG> Also works surprisingly well on a 915gm, once you disable functionality checks.
[06:21] <sysop3> why is volid now called  fai-vol_id and is in  /usr/lib/fai/
[06:22] <sysop3> vol_id I mean
[06:22] <sysop3> its not even in a bin dir.
[06:23] <Mic> need help installing a server image in ubuntu server 10.04, the server image is a tar file with 11 vmdk files and a nvram file
[06:30] <Mic> anyone with experience installing an image in a server?
[06:32] <Daskreech> DanaG: What happens if you type qdbus ?
[06:33] <Daskreech> Mic: what ever made the images should have instructions on how to restore it
[07:34] <hermanlf> does 64bit Kubuntu DVD come with flash 64bit?
[07:58] <KerrMD> aloha all
[08:06] <m1_> !ru
[08:11] <Brad__> hi
[08:11] <Brad__> can anyone help me with a couple device problems?
[08:12] <ehsan> kenlive won't run
[08:12] <ehsan> eroor in project monitor connect
[08:13] <ehsan> version 0.8.1
[08:25] <Daskreech> Brad__: what's the problem?
[08:28] <Brad__> hi
[08:28] <Brad__> my dvd drive isn't showing up anywhere
[08:28] <Brad__> not in lshw
[08:29] <Brad__> in BIOS, i can't boot to cd drive because it says "no bootable device found"
[08:29] <Brad__> but it's connected with a working ribbon cable, and the power works (i can hear it rev up on startup)
[08:29] <susundberg> how do you know if its working at all?
[08:30] <Daskreech> Brad__: Does it turn up when you look in the BIOS?
[08:31] <Brad__> i can't be 100% sure it works.. but it's worked before and i dont think i damaged it
[08:32] <Brad__> ok i'm on BIOS.. for CD-Rom it says not installed
[08:40] <Daskreech> Brad__: Might be your cables have gone bad
[08:41] <Brad__> probably not - i used the same cable with a hard drive and successfully mounted it
[08:43] <Brad__> not sure what to do at this point
[08:44] <moetunes> get it showing in the bios first
[08:44] <Brad__> do you have any suggestions as to how i can reinstall the device from the BIOS
[08:44] <moetunes> try a different cable
[08:44] <Brad__> could the cable work for something but not for something else?
[08:44] <Brad__> it works for a HD
[08:44] <moetunes> since the dvd failed?
[08:45] <Brad__> ok.. i'll test it again
[08:46] <Daskreech> Brad__: does it have jumpers?
[08:46] <Daskreech> You may have it conflicting with somthing else make sure it's properly master or slave
[08:46] <Brad__> ok, is the jumper a cable connection, or just something you stick a thing onto to define it as master or slave?
[08:47] <Brad__> i see some pins that arent connected to a cable on the DVD drive unit
[08:48] <Brad__> the cable works - i am seeing this hard drive
[08:49] <Brad__> the thing is that it's worked before, and i have never messed with the settings at the hardware level before
[08:49] <Brad__> its not a new device
[08:52] <Daskreech> Brad__: depending on where you plug it in it matters if it's master or slave
[08:54] <Brad__> my computer only has one IDE connection
[08:55] <Brad__> i don't know if that says anything
[08:55] <Brad__> there's only one device on that connection
[08:55] <Brad__> (the DVD drive)
[08:57] <Brad__> or ATA i guess i meant
[08:57] <Brad__> 20 pin
[09:02] <Brad__> ok - i plugged in an external drive and that's working fine so that will do for now
[09:31] <jerome__> Hi !
[09:35] <drbobb> hello, are there any up to date instructions on how to install without a cd/dvd drive?
[09:36] <drbobb> all I found on the wiki etc. is _ancient_ and probably stopped working several releases back
[09:37] <drbobb> I have a broken dvd drive and I don't feel like replacing it, b/c I never use except for OS installs
[09:37] <drbobb> s/use/use it/
[09:38] <Daskreech> hi jerome__
[09:39] <Daskreech> !usb | drbobb
[09:39] <jerome__> hi Daskreech
[09:46] <drbobb> Daskreech: yeah that never worked for me either.
[09:46] <Daskreech> what happened?
[09:48] <drbobb> but to be fair I tried it one or two versions back
[09:48] <drbobb> neither usb-creator nor unetbootin worked as described
[09:49] <drbobb> I ended up using a procedure for installing from a spare hd partition, described somewhere in the wiki
[09:50] <drbobb> but yeah one version later I found it no longer worked
[09:51] <drbobb> I have hundreds of gigs free on my hard drive, why should I have to run to a shop for a usb stick?
[09:52] <Apple_Cat> drbobb: You had problems with usb-creator? My experiences have been really good
[09:53] <drbobb> anyway I don't have a disposable usb stick laying around here atm.
[09:54] <cousin_mario> hello
[09:55] <cousin_mario> I'd like to have an extra path for launching apps via ctrl+F2: where should I add it?
[09:56] <drbobb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux this is a procedure that worked for me eons ago
[10:14] <silv3r_m00n> can i install this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717 on kde 4+ ?
[10:16] <Tm_T> silv3r_m00n: no, but there's way newer equivalents around
[10:17] <silv3r_m00n> but i had this theme in kde in ubuntu 9.10
[10:17] <silv3r_m00n> i have just upgraded to 11.04 and cant see it
[10:20] <Tm_T> silv3r_m00n: I remember seeing styles that does the job, but cannot find now
[11:14] <m1_> !ru
[11:25] <m1_> !ru
[11:26] <szal> .oO( apparenty someone is short on brainpower.. ;) )
[11:48] <Decorian> hi, any ideas why quassel is refusing to connect to the freenode server?
[12:02] <ubuntu__> ju
[12:28] <olskolirc> xmpp
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:01] <cousin_mario> bye
[13:03] <olskolirc> unset /SERVER ADD -auto -network facebook chat.facebook.com 5222 1x02dcthh548$
[13:04] <olskolirc> UNSET /SERVER ADD -auto -network facebook chat.facebook.com 5222 1x02dcthh548$
[13:04] <olskolirc> UNSET /SERVER remove -auto -network facebook chat.facebook.com 5222 1x02dcthh548$
[13:23] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, what's that for ?
[13:51] <olskolir2> /quit
[14:07] <ehsan> is there any kde base alternative for ubuntu one or drop box?
[14:08] <susundberg> i think there was some kubuntu interface for ubuntu one at some time beeing develop
[14:08] <susundberg> don't know current status though ..
[14:12] <ehsan> what is ownCloud?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ubuntu one  works on kde if your willing to add the gtk libs etc that come with it
[14:15] <BluesKaj> kfilebox is supposed to work as kde front end for dropbox , but it's unstable ...I tried it
[14:22] <ehsan> i wish ubuntu do that for kubuntu!
[14:38] <prashant_> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[14:43] <prashant_> in my laptop i have a load
[14:43] <prashant_> no voice coming from my earfone i entered
[14:43] <prashant_> still from my laptop speakers
[14:43] <prashant_> someone help plzz
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !sound | prashant_
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !intelhd
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[15:00] <prashant_> i'll see and come back here in few mins
[15:03] <PiotrN> !botsnack
[15:11] <prashant_> BluesKaj: got nothing buddy up der
[15:11] <prashant_> i think u didnt get wat i asked
[15:12] <prashant_> my prblm is no sound from earphones
[15:12] <prashant_> even if i connect them
[15:12] <prashant_> sound only from the internal speakers
[15:12] <prashant_> ubottu: help
[15:13] <BluesKaj> prashant_, ok, in the terminal , alsamixer -V all
[15:13] <prashant_> BluesKaj: ya then
[15:14] <sean_w> KDE refuses to let me change my prefered audio input device. I channge it, close audio setup, open audio setup, and it still keeps my old defult on top. Help?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> sean_w, click apply when making changes
[15:15] <prashant_> :D
[15:15] <BluesKaj> prashant_, speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[15:17] <prashant_> BluesKaj: after  that??
[15:17] <BluesKaj> try your sound
[15:18] <prashant_> ok
[15:19] <sean_w> BluesKaj:  Forgot to mention that I did. Heres, the odd thing, the devices under the top device keep the order I set, but mo mobo sound always end up back on top.
[15:20] <prashant_> going
[15:21] <BluesKaj> sean_w, set ti multimedia/phonon , music, choose your device , test them then apply to the list as well
[15:22] <BluesKaj> the other devices, games , video etc
[15:24] <sean_w> BluesKaj: It woun't let me capture any capture device.
[15:25] <sean_w> BluesKaj: It won't let me test any capture device
[15:26] <BluesKaj> what capture device , sean_w?
[15:27] <sean_w> BluesKaj: The test button is disabled no mattttttter what capture device I select.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> sean_w, capture devices feed audio , so that's normal..they aren't configured to link to phonon audio test ignals
[15:30] <BluesKaj> signals
[15:30] <BluesKaj> like tvtuners or mics etc
[16:12] <sithlord48> whats going on #kubuntu ?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, not much til someone needs help
[16:28] <sithlord48> BluesKaj: this is a good thing right ?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> well yes , but it's boring too :)
[16:32] <sithlord48> so today i won't be stoping work bordem by answeing stuff here in #kubuntu
[16:33] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, I just installed 11.10 and so far I have no issues with it either :)
[16:33] <sithlord48> 11.10 works nicely in my VM , i thinking about upgradeing my netbook :D
[16:56] <Daskreech> sithlord48: The Forke has been tipped to the enlightened dark side
[16:57] <sithlord48> umm... yes exactly..
[16:57] <sithlord48> mwhahahaha?
[16:59] <Daskreech> sithlord48: :)
[16:59] <Daskreech>  Oracle gave OO.o to Apache
[17:01] <sithlord48> full OO.o? w/ the ms doc reading stuff , ?
[17:15] <Daskreech> sithlord48: yes
[17:16] <sithlord48> nice so much for them selling the plugins for ms office then
[17:16] <Daskreech> Well Oracle is dropping OO.o
[17:16] <Daskreech> they are not giving support for it they laid off all the developers
[17:16] <sithlord48> this is good oracle is bad news bears.
[17:16] <Daskreech> and they gave it to Apache
[17:17] <sithlord48> u think libreoffice and OO.o will re merge the code base ?
[17:17] <Daskreech> So Apache has it under the Apache license which is incompatible with the GPL so some chunks will have to be rewritten (of course there are no developers)
[17:17] <Daskreech> sithlord48: They can't cause it was given to Apache
[17:18] <sithlord48> ah thats right the apache lisence is basicly a modified bsd one.
[17:37] <TopGear> Hello
[17:38] <ilias> hi all. i choised as workspace the 'oxygen' theme. but is too black. is there any way to change the color?
[17:38] <TopGear> Do you guys know a way to solve the thing when nVidia drivers activated no sound?
[17:38] <ilias> hi genii-around.
[17:38] <genii-around> ilias: Hello
[17:39]  * genii-around gurgles down some coffee checks how much time is left on lunch break
[17:39] <ilias> what is your time in your place?
[17:40] <genii-around> ilias: GMT -5    so 12:39 right now
[17:40] <TopGear> ah, GMT +2 here xD
[17:40] <OerHeks> here +2 too :-D
[17:40] <ilias> so i quess you are in east USA? here is +2 too
[17:41] <genii-around> ilias: Toronto, Canada actually
[17:41] <OerHeks> east usa = gmt + 6 ?
[17:42] <sithlord48> genii-around:  lives around me  in -5 gmt :D
[17:43] <sithlord48> TopGear:  have you looked in system settings multimedia ?
[17:43] <ilias> oh ok. north-east Aamerica.
[17:43] <ilias> here is Athens Greece
[17:43] <TopGear> sithlord48: yes, my lord.
[17:43] <chachan> here's -04:30
[17:43] <chachan> Venezuela :)
[17:43] <TopGear> Hey, OerHeks :-)
[17:44] <TopGear> Netherlands
[17:44] <sithlord48> lol  there is under phonon-> speaker set up  a place you can shut off your hdmi sound that might help
[17:44] <sithlord48> or check in kmix under master channel to be sure its not set to your hdmi
[17:45] <sithlord48> lest i have it backward and you want to use hdmi for sound output in that case i think u need to install the nvidia driver ? but idk as i don't have an nvidia card.
[17:46] <ilias> once more i have to send you my compliments for the help you provide me to setup my modem althoug i did not check if i can recieve faxes but i just checked that modem opens and gives the wellknown fax sound
[17:46] <genii-around> ilias: I've had to deal with quite a few kinds of those winmodems, for a project at my work
[17:47] <TopGear> Only Intern sound as an option.
[17:48] <ilias> so i was lucky because you are the appropriate person!
[17:48] <genii-around> ilias: :)
[17:50] <ilias> when you will have more time i 'll ask you one-two things for efax. but its not for now.
[17:50] <ilias> do you maybe know the answer  in what i asked above? i choised as workspace the 'oxygen' theme. but is too black. is there any way to change the color?
[17:51] <TopGear> Stupid sound -_-
[17:51] <sithlord48> system settings-> workspace apperance pick another theme?
[17:51] <ilias> yep. i picked up 'oxygen'
[17:52] <ilias> the dark one
[17:53] <ilias> insteda of 'air' which was up by default
[17:53] <sithlord48> you can edit the theme (slightly ) with the details tab, but i think your gonna be stuck w/ the dark colors; you might want to use "get new stuff" to get a new theme u like better
[17:54] <sithlord48> oh wait you can try under system settings -> application apperance -> colors but its prolly not gonna change your plasma theme colors.
[17:55] <ilias> under colors it is not easy at all. i 'll better check some new themes.
[17:55] <sithlord48> ilias:  personally i like the "silicon" theme its inbetween oxygen and air
[17:56] <sithlord48> and smaller borders (thats why i use it on my netbook lol)
[18:00] <ilias> glaze is  beautiful and bigblue too. i like blue color because i think kde's color!
[18:02] <Octodigit> hi folks - has anyone here used http://www.mindwerks.net/2011/04/ubuntu-11-04-natty-with-fglrx-and-2-6-39/ successfully?
[18:04] <sithlord48> Octodigit: i have not 11.3 is what im using for a driver on my ati machine, not sure of teh kernel version either atm
[18:04] <ilias> in which /dir the new themes are stored?? i unistall some of them but they still in >settings. so i think that only manual remove is available
[18:05] <sithlord48> you might have to restart teh kcm for them to be remvoed. but somewhere in  /usr/share/kde iirc.
[18:06] <Octodigit> sithlord48: do you have any kind of hardware acceleration yet?
[18:06] <sithlord48> as far as i know i have that w/ teh open driver.
[18:06] <Octodigit> right cool, thanks
[18:06] <sithlord48> Octodigit:  any specific program your looking to run
[18:08] <Octodigit> well I'd like to be able to do some 3d bits, on it - I wouldn't mind the ability to give unity a go as stock on ubuntu at some point, you know, try it out without unity-2D and obviously play games/watch flash video/use celestia and earth
[18:08] <Octodigit> etc
[18:10] <Octodigit> ah well, I think tonight is not the night to break everything further, so I'll leave it and play Bridge Commander instead :)
[18:10] <Octodigit> (on windows 7)
[18:10] <sithlord48> dependign on your card you should have 3d w/ the "radeion" driver
[18:10] <Octodigit> thanks for the help ;)
[18:10] <Pici> "radeon"
[18:11] <sithlord48> lol yes radeon..
[18:13] <ilias> well. i havee to report the following. i am runnig kubuntu 10.4 on a celeron 1,5ghz with 750 mb ram and it is faster than my 11,2 suse on a 2,2 dual core + 2gb ram. why??
[18:14] <OerHeks> ilias explain 'faster' ?
[18:15] <sithlord48> ok im going afk for a bit. <lunch :D>
[18:16] <ilias> when i am writing faste i mean that is more fast to switch between the open applications. multitasking is "lighter'.
[18:19] <knoxx3> hi there, can sb tell me how to stop a background installation on Kubuntu 11.04?
[18:28] <S74rk7> Anyone know where proprietary drivers are stored after you've downloaded and installed them?
[18:29] <S74rk7> I'm looking for a method to back them up... anyone know off hand...or if this is possible?
[18:30] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  dont bother
[18:31] <sithlord48> if you want to save the package that installed it they are located in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:32] <S74rk7> sithlord48: ok thanks...look around in there but why you say not to bother?
[18:32] <S74rk7> it a licence thing?
[18:32] <knoxx3> Im tryna install chrome on natty but i keep  getting an error message that another application seems to be using the package system. any help?
[18:32] <sithlord48> S74rk7: they are updated usually so if you reinstall it might be a newer version or not.
[18:35] <sithlord48> knoxx3: what are you using to install with ? is dpkg running in the background (crtl+esc for a system overview)
[18:36] <S74rk7> How would I find out what driver my wlan card is using??
[18:36] <knoxx3> sithlord48: It dpkg ins't on the list after pressing the combination key.
[18:37] <sysop-work> hey guys I have a mouse cursor issue. my mouse cursor is now a vertical line made up of horizontal lines.  I tried changing my mouse cursor and it doesnt help.
[18:37] <sithlord48> S74rk7: run the command lspci and look for you wlan card on the list it should show the driver
[18:38] <sysop-work> is there something I can restart besides kdm to fix this?
[18:38] <sithlord48> knoxx3:  you can only have one packagemanager open if you have dpkg, or synaptic or kpackagekit running you will get aht error
[18:38] <genii-around> S74rk7: sudo lshw -C network    and then the line which starts: configuration     has in it somewhere the driver name, if one is loaded
[18:38] <sithlord48> sysop-work: i've seen that on ms.sith's machine and only thing i have ever done to fix it its restart kdm
[18:40] <knoxx3> silthlord48: none of the specified packagemanager listed above is on process table.
[18:43] <sithlord48> knoxx3: then you should beable to install now..
[18:43] <sithlord48> there might have been one doing somethign in the back ground before
[18:45] <knoxx3> silthlord48: I tried a couple times it keeps diplaying the " Only one softeware management tool is allowed to run at the same time" message.
[19:01] <tranquilwaters_> hello, is there anyone here who has some experience  with heimdall
[19:03] <tranquilwaters_> I want to flash some new rom on my phone with it, but I'm unsure which file goes where
[19:05] <sithlord48> tranquilwaters_:  im not sure if your gonna find much help here about that
[19:05] <ediglei> saudades do irc
[19:05] <tranquilwaters_> sithlord48: yeah I figured I would just try, I am trying to get info in the villainrom channel too
[19:06] <tranquilwaters_> it's the only linux alternative for ODIN as far as I know
[19:06] <sithlord48> tranquilwaters_:  i would love to help but idk about that at all
[19:13] <tranquilwaters_> sithlord48: aaw that's too bad.. thanks anyways :D
[19:13] <sithlord48> next time you need help try to need it in an area i can help :P
[19:27] <S74rk7> Anyone used grep before?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, yes , what about it ?
[19:33] <S74rk7> I have run the command "sudo lshw -C network" to see what driver is being used by my wlan card... and genii-around & sithlord48 told me to look at the line under 'configuration'
[19:33] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  what u did u get?
[19:33] <S74rk7> configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half latency=0 link=no multicast=yes port=MII speed=10Mbit/s
[19:34] <sithlord48> your using the r8169 driver
[19:34] <S74rk7> so I was looking to see where the driver actually is.... I was trying to use grep to find r8169
[19:34] <S74rk7> I used this command "grep -r r8169"
[19:34] <sithlord48> and that don't work
[19:35] <sithlord48> you can't just copy the module you have to install it..
[19:35] <S74rk7> but it seems to b sitting there.... does it take a while to search?
[19:35] <sithlord48> crtl  +C to kill it
[19:35] <S74rk7> did that thanks :)
[19:35] <S74rk7> I'm probably better telling you what I'm aiming to do...
[19:35] <sithlord48> any time
[19:36] <sithlord48> yes that would be a good idea
[19:36] <S74rk7> I'm going to reinstall kubuntu... but after a fresh install I have to plug in my ethernet cable to download and install the driver for my wlan card
[19:36] <sithlord48> ok
[19:36] <S74rk7> its proprietary driver....
[19:37] <sithlord48> and let me guess you don't want ot plug in the cable
[19:37] <wildgoose> S74rk7, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42324
[19:37] <S74rk7> yeah it would b ideal really
[19:37] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  its possible but i wouldn't do it since if you plug in durring an install  you can get your updates and 3rd party stuff while installing then after reboot install ur wifi driver (if it didn't already ) and then unplug.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> S74rk7,did try sudo modprobe r8169 ?
[19:39] <S74rk7> yeah but I want to install the wlan card first.... so I can wirelessly go ahead and update my system etc
[19:39] <sithlord48> well in thats more of a problem then it is
[19:39] <BluesKaj> oh  I thought that was the wifi module
[19:39] <S74rk7> I know...but it would certainly be a gain in itself to learn how to do such a thing...
[19:41] <sithlord48> well you will have to do a few things.. 1  dl the deb files for your driver. and 2. install them in the live system. then after installing install them in the finished system
[19:41] <BluesKaj> wifi will be wlan0 , and the wired ethernet is probly eth0\
[19:42] <S74rk7> HOLD UP...
[19:42] <S74rk7> sorry I been giving you guys the wrong info....
[19:43] <S74rk7> that was the configuration line under my ethernet card... opps
[19:43] <S74rk7> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=5.100.82.38 ip=192.168.7.107 latency=0 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bg
[19:43] <S74rk7> thats the configuration line for my wlan card - its logical name is eth1 ??
[19:43] <sithlord48> wl0 driver isn't that an included one?
[19:44] <S74rk7> it always tells me that I need to install a proprietary driver to use my broadcom wlan card..when I try to do so... asks me to connect to the internet..
[19:45] <sithlord48> so its a broadcom card.. you need the fwcutter and the driver. its still ezer to just plug in .. after installing in the live cd you would still have to install them in the finished system
[19:47] <S74rk7> I know... what I imagined though... as I have it installed now... I thought it would be easy enough to locate the .deb or whatever it came from...back it up... and when I have a new system installed... use it to install the driver...
[19:48] <S74rk7> no?
[19:48] <sithlord48> yes you can do that..
[19:49] <sithlord48> you would use sudo dpkg -i <debfile>
[19:50] <S74rk7> cool got that command noted down.... how would I locate the driver though in order to back it up?
[19:50] <sithlord48> the problem is gonna be finding your deb. it might be in /var/cache/apt/archives still or you will have to look on the repo it self.. give me a sec ill post a link
[19:50] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[19:50] <sithlord48> thanks BluesKaj
[19:52] <S74rk7> Ahhh... thanks - so the driver that I'm used is actually contained in the ubuntu install disk.... so no need to have to download it really... it can be installed manually from commands?
[19:53] <sithlord48> the firmware cutter is on the disk . you need both that and a driver iirc. (althougth wifi cards being cheep i just replaced my broadcom w/ and atheros card..0
[19:54] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  no after reading it again it does apper to have both on the disk
[19:55] <S74rk7> Yeah I remember when I was install 10.10 everyone was saying about broadcom being a bit of a pain to get working.. I spent my first week of ubuntu playing around to get it working...
[19:55] <S74rk7> Atheros better linux support?
[19:55] <sithlord48> but it depends on the driver the STA one is included note the B43 driver.
[19:55] <sithlord48> open drivers :D they "just work"
[19:56] <S74rk7> haha... thats how I describe linux to my friends....
[19:56] <sithlord48> S74rk7: better then spending a few weeks w/ only a term
[19:56] <S74rk7> toss windoze... unless you love updates everyday and wondering what the heck is going on in the background of your system.... go with linux... it just works :)
[19:56] <S74rk7> lol
[19:57] <sithlord48> when i first installed kubuntu on my old laptop it was like 6.10 or so and well lets say video config has gotten much ezer since then
[19:57] <S74rk7> I'd love to build on my cli knowledge... thats try geek to me :)
[19:57] <S74rk7> lol
[19:57] <sithlord48> um S74rk7  i have daily updates on kubuntu ;)
[19:57] <S74rk7> that TRUE geek to me ***type
[19:57] <S74rk7> **typo
[19:57] <S74rk7> lol 2 in a row woohoo
[19:58] <S74rk7> Yeah but at least the updates in linux you get em all at the same time...
[19:58] <sithlord48>  but i "fix" others windows machines by installing kubuntu also , i have about a dozen machines i take care of for ppl all running kubuntu and no phone calls about this or that don't work (unless is a what do u use todo this question)
[19:59] <S74rk7> I rebuilt a vista laptop the other day.... first update ... 114.... took 3 1/2 hours to install.... restart .... 86 updates to install... another couple hours... restart... updates... restart.... updates restart.... updates ...restart!! lol
[20:00] <sithlord48> that i refuse to do anymore
[20:01] <S74rk7> you install linux.... sudo apt-get update ---> sudo apt-get upgrade... and thats that....
[20:01] <sithlord48> i have a windows machine only to compile my software everthing else i do w/ a linux box
[20:01] <sithlord48> sometimes its apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[20:01] <S74rk7> haha...sorry I've created a windows bashing convo here...  I'll get told to bugger off to -offtopic soon lol
[20:02] <sithlord48> its all good S74rk7 so do u need the STA or B43 driver ?
[20:02] <S74rk7> em... I think its the b43
[20:03] <sithlord48> taht one your gonna need to dl
[20:03] <S74rk7> I'll shut up so I can go back and read that link you posted :P
[20:03] <sithlord48> lsmod | grep b43  should show the driver
[20:03] <S74rk7> oh ok
[20:03] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  not me blueskaj did it !broadcom
[20:04] <S74rk7> the lsmod | grep b43 didn't seem to do anything
[20:04] <S74rk7> I was messing around with grep earlier I cant seem to use it at all... wonder have I killed it (no surprise) :)
[20:07] <sithlord48> then just use lsmod by it self to get the full list.
[20:11] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I got the list... found these lines.. r8169                  48022  0 (Take it thats my eth card) ###  wl                   2568244  0 (that my wifi card?)
[20:12] <sithlord48> then your gonna have to do by what lshw  tells you about yoru exact chipset under network
[20:12] <wildgoose> I have ubuntu 10.04 installed on an IBM Lenovo Z61t, the processor is stuck at 1000MHz. I have tried using the cpu freq applet, cpufreqd and powernowd, none have fixed it.
[20:14] <S74rk7> !paste
[20:15] <BluesKaj> wildgoose, sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -g performance  or ondemand ..depends what speed you want... for laptops ondemand is probly easiest on the battery of course
[20:15] <S74rk7> sithlord48: http://paste.ubuntu.com/621983/  --- Broadcom BCM4312 sounds about right?
[20:16] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  yes
[20:17] <S74rk7> sithlord48: so next step is to find the driver on the tinternet and download?
[20:18] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  follow the guilde for what ever driver it says you neeed for that model , as there were links. if not using 10.04 then you will have ot find the packages in the repo.
[20:18] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ should help you dl them :D
[20:21] <wildgoose> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/nEj9zDGK , the problem is "current policy" line
[20:24] <sithlord48> wildgoose: have you check the power management kcm in system settings? to be sure your proformace profile is set as you expect
[20:27] <Ab3L> hi
[20:31] <S74rk7> sithlord48: Thanks for your patience in helping me with that btw :)
[20:31] <sithlord48> S74rk7: hopefully it works for you
[20:35] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I used that link you gave me to search through packages... its kubuntu 10.10 (32bit - going to install 64bit after on another partition)  I am going to install... does this look like they're contained in the repos?  sorry this is my last question :)  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bcmwl&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all
[20:36] <sithlord48> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=maverick&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=bcmwl (there is a show only this arch button)
[20:37] <S74rk7> sithlord48: sorry mate I dont follow?
[20:37] <S74rk7> arch button?
[20:38] <sithlord48> that link is for the amd64 version there is a button link in the text for show archtecture
[20:40] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  do u see the link for the differnt archtectures ?
[20:40] <S74rk7> ahhh... I see what you mean on the link you posted there... did you see on mine it lists 32+64?
[20:40] <sithlord48> yes
[20:41] <S74rk7> the limit the search to specific archtectures   ---- at the top you mean?
[20:41] <sithlord48> yes
[20:44] <S74rk7> sithlord48: check me out :)  I followed on through the links and found the bcmwl-source for both 32+64 arch.... downloaded it... take it thats the drivers... that would be enough for me to play around with from the install... I'd need to compile it just?
[20:45] <S74rk7> **play around with from the FRESH install of kubuntu...
[20:45] <sithlord48> source will need to be compiled so your gonna need a bunch of dependcies. build-essentals its a meta package but you want the stuff it installs. to build stuff. depmod to install the kernel module and maybe another thing or two
[20:46] <S74rk7> sithlord48: sounds like fun :)  Think I'm gonna dive in and give it a go...
[20:47] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  good luck i've had to do it before on a machien with only wifi it was not all to fun but good to learn with
[20:49] <SIR_Taco> fun... !fun... that is the question
[20:49] <S74rk7> sithlord48: thats what I'm aiming for... to learn something from it.... :)
[20:50] <S74rk7> hopefully I'll learn not to just give in to the ethernet cable way lol
[20:50] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  well this should teach you something and if nothing else to apreachate the scripts that do it for you :D
[20:51] <S74rk7> sithlord48: very true :D
[20:52] <Matriks404> Kazik pl?
[20:52] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  we learn a bit each day last week i made my first .deb packages, and ppa repo that was fun.
[20:54] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I've tried a million times to build a .deb from source... yet no joy... its still on my wishlist lol
[20:55] <S74rk7> sithlord48: ppa repo... that help you add all your ppa's you want automatically? :)
[20:55] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  it took a bit of work i might beable to help you with that.:D
[20:55] <need_help_with_g> @Matriks404, Kazik was from PL, now he's changed his nickname ;-)
[20:55] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  no the ppa just has packages i made on it
[20:56] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  makes it ezer for others to use my software if they want
[20:57] <S74rk7> sithlord48: you made software?
[20:57] <SIR_Taco> makes it easier to build your own packages (not yet in a repo) and have an easy way to remove them too :)
[20:57] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  yes. using Qt and C++ :D
[20:58] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: but using it may turn you to the dark side.... ;)
[20:58] <sithlord48> mwhahahha
[20:58] <SIR_Taco> haha
[20:58] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I tip my hat to you... thats what I aim to do :)
[20:58] <S74rk7> lol
[20:58] <sithlord48> my program is mostly useless for ppl unless you play FF7 and want to edit your save :P
[20:59] <S74rk7> sithlord48: hold up.... FF7 runs on linux?
[20:59]  * S74rk7 feels a surge of excitment :)
[20:59] <SIR_Taco> I just make half-assed games... which never seem to make it to fruition :P
[20:59] <sithlord48> S74rk7:   it does w/ wine and aali's driver :D
[21:00] <sithlord48> well S74rk7 in that case you might want to check out http://blackchocobo.sourceforge.net and the repo you can add with the command sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sithlord48/ff7
[21:00] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I will want to get back to that surely :)
[21:00] <sithlord48> the repo is for ff7 moding tools only have my bc and a tool for opening the archives ther
[21:01] <sithlord48> well im not hard to find :D
[21:01] <SIR_Taco> anyone seen sithlord48? anyone? no? hmmm....
[21:01] <S74rk7> SIR_Taco: You 'just' make games :) sounds good to me... may I have a look? :D
[21:01] <cordiceps> hey
[21:02] <cordiceps> I've been banned from ubuntu, how to get back?
[21:02] <sithlord48> im thinking about making a game for us but idk what to even do
[21:02] <sithlord48> cordiceps:  what for ?
[21:02] <cordiceps> because I complained about ppl asking for m$$ support there.
[21:02] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: haha they aren't finished that's the problem.... I get working on one, then think of another and move on... etc. one day I will finish a re-make of my favourite TRS-80 game :)
[21:02] <sithlord48> cordiceps:  lmao , idk how to help you i try to stay out of #ubuntu w/ the gnome uses :p
[21:03] <S74rk7> brb :)
[21:03] <SIR_Taco> Gnomes are kind of creepy anyway ;)
[21:04] <sithlord48> i like gnomes just not "gnome"
[21:04] <sithlord48> mostly cause they are at or around my height
[21:05] <SIR_Taco> cordiceps: however, why complain? the OSS community is *usually* about sharing information... what's the problem with that?
[21:05] <cordiceps> is there an appeal channel?
[21:05] <sithlord48> idk the ubuntu people seam to be more the rtfm type (based on ubuntu forums vx kubuntu forums.. only)
[21:06] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: true I guess
[21:06] <SIR_Taco> cordiceps: only thing I can suggest is to /msg an OP in #ubuntu and plead your case
[21:07] <sithlord48> im never in #ubuntu so i can't speak about that channel .
[21:08] <szal> sithlord48: RTFM doesn't hurt ^^
[21:08] <cordiceps> I've found it, #ubuntu-ops
[21:09] <sithlord48> it doesn't but it assumes no one has ever read the documents. i got a bit of that in the packaging channel, problem is the docs suck and were hard to understand thats y i asked the questions i did
[21:10] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: agreed... the docs/mans aren't geared to average users
[21:12] <sithlord48> i dont' even remember what my issue was but it was something stupid i did wrong that was ez to fix.
[21:12] <SIR_Taco> for some RTFM is like reading a book in German (when their native, and only, language is English)
[21:12] <sithlord48> if you can't read then u shoulnd't use a computer
[21:13] <kora> hey guys, i have a strange behaviour on my 11.04 using the lates tnvidia drivers on a 9400M. whenever i activate a second monitor i loose the transparency on all panels and notification windows. is here any way to fix/re-establish the transparency? thanks
[21:13] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: lol.... I don't mean they can't read... but comprehension is the problem
[21:13] <sithlord48> kora, does it come back after restarting kdm ?
[21:13] <sithlord48> SIR_Taco:  yea i got that :P
[21:13] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[21:14] <sithlord48> idk i kinda have that old linux user problem , noobs= problems and dumbing down of the os then you get windows or mac os..
[21:14] <kora> sithlord48, havent tried that, since after a reboot i have to set up both monitors again using the nvidia settings,... there any way to restart kdm without rebooting?
[21:15] <sithlord48> i don't mind helping others (i do it all the time on KFN) but sometimes it does get a bit nuts.
[21:15] <sithlord48> kora. sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart will do it
[21:15] <sithlord48> other ppl yes i know you can use upstart now
[21:15] <kora> sithlord48, thanks gonna try that
[21:17] <sithlord48> the host of flash and sound problems for natty are just insane..
[21:20] <S74rk7> RTFM is all good... but as you guys were saying before... sometimes the documents can lead to more confusion...
[21:20] <S74rk7> what I mean is...
[21:21] <S74rk7> take my case for example... I get a link from one of your guru's and go and start reading... and you get a line... and its a link also.... so your off reading about another topic with links into what your trying to do...
[21:21] <sithlord48> if kora comes back and needs more help w/ teh monitors tell try "kdesudo nvidia-settings" to set them up
[21:22] <S74rk7> but when you get to that page... its refers to something else or uses another terminology thats new to you... and your off to read about that.... then ... well I'm sure you get the picture....
[21:22] <sithlord48> well later all my boriing work day is over, ill prolly be on when i get home
[21:22] <SIR_Taco> cya sithlord
[21:23] <S74rk7> being able to ask questions is like having a teacher to ask... someone can read something and understand it just fine... others have a different way in doing so...
[21:23] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: that's why this IRC channel and the Kubuntu forums are a great resource
[21:24] <S74rk7> and when people crack up and give off telling you to go read about it or whatever... I always think why they even taking the time to tell you off.... its pretty easy to ignore someone or choose just not to type back... rather than belittle them..
[21:24] <S74rk7> if you get what I'm saying.... its the same idea as when you stuck behind a learner/student driver.... PATIENCE... YOU WERE A STUDENT before too :D
[21:25] <SIR_Taco> very true.... I, personally, try to see it through. But there are times that I just don't have the knowledge to see it through, but there is usually someone to pick it up from there
[21:26] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: we are all forever students... we will never know everything (although, my brother says that between him and I, we know everything lol)
[21:27] <S74rk7> SIR_Taco: then you're on of the fine people who make the linux community what it is :D
[21:27] <S74rk7> SIR_Taco: haha
[21:27] <wildgoose> oh Sparky --verbose
[21:28] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: I'm stubborn... that's the difference :)
[22:00]  * sithlord48 has returned
[22:02] <sithlord48> arindom do ur gtalk account set up in kopete?
[22:03] <wildgoose> sithlord48, I tracked down my cpu scaling issue to a lenovo bug with the battery and power adapter.
[22:04] <sithlord48> dors still around? try dpkg --configure -a
[22:04] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  awesome to know please provide any info to the bug you can
[22:04] <wildgoose> sithlord48, Odd thing is, I can workaround in fedora but not (k)ubuntu
[22:05] <sithlord48> and you have tried the same work around?
[22:06] <wildgoose> sithlord48, But of course.
[22:06] <sithlord48> same kernel version etc..?
[22:09] <wildgoose> Fedora has been updated to 2.6.38--, Ubuntu is on 2.6.32--, hmm
[22:09] <sithlord48> im on 2.6.38-8 here (natty )
[22:12] <wildgoose> Natty here I come,
[22:13] <asraniel> hi
[22:13] <asraniel> i friend just installed kubuntu and can't find the package chromium in kpackagekit
[22:13] <asraniel> what could that be?
[22:13] <S74rk7> Quick question people... I want to have 32+64 bit install of linux (seperate partitions) ... can I have my Home folder shared between the 2 systems? oh and I take it swaparea is ok 2 share between them?
[22:13] <Guest93361> I am a newb I have accidently changed the default right click context menu on the Kickoff menu can someone please tell me how to get it back
[22:14] <KerrMD> Howdy all. Question: Is anyone else having issues opening CCC in administration mode on Kubuntu natty with 11-5?
[22:19] <wildgoose> sithlord48, Or I could just upgrade the kernel /me smacks forehead
[22:20] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  made u /facepalm :D
[22:20] <DeltaEpsilon> this is for the first time I might keep Linux (kubuntu) on my aptop
[22:20] <DeltaEpsilon> laptop*
[22:21] <sithlord48> S74rk7:  you can but some programs might do weird stuff if a mem size lets say is set for the 64bit version and the 32 bit can't handle it .. i've never tried this just use 64bit unless you have a reason to need 32bit
[22:21] <DeltaEpsilon> KDE is finally stable for daily use
[22:21] <sithlord48> DeltaEpsilon:  welcome to the winning team :D
[22:21] <DeltaEpsilon> I still get app crashes from now and then but no big issues
[22:21] <DeltaEpsilon> Rekonq still crsashes a lot.
[22:22] <KerrMD> Is anyone else having an issue opening CCC 11-5 version in x86_64 natty?
[22:22] <Guest93361> I learn a valuable lesson install anything one at a timw to get it backe i added about 50 and changed the right click context and now have no idea ho
[22:23] <Guest93361> to get my oem context menu back
[22:23] <Guest93361> now all it says is add to favorites or remove from favorites
[22:24] <Pici> KerrMD: What is CCC?
[22:25] <KerrMD> catalyst control center
[22:25] <KerrMD> amdxdg-su -c amdcccle is the command set to run but even when I run it in a term it outputs near to nothing
[22:25] <sithlord48> KerrMD:  i have yet to install 11.5
[22:26] <sithlord48> what about just using kdesudo amdcccle?
[22:26] <KerrMD> In fact, all it outputs is a small additional window asking for my sudo pass
[22:26] <sithlord48> yea cause yo0u need to be root to use it
[22:26] <KerrMD> I can open amdccle in normal mode. I cannot, however, open it in admin mode
[22:27] <sithlord48> did u try kdesudo amdcccle ?
[22:27] <KerrMD> and you cannot sudo amdxdg-su -c amdcccle
[22:27] <sithlord48> then give the dialog ur password
[22:27] <sithlord48> yea i think the amddxdg-su is there special own su -s dialog :D
[22:27] <KerrMD> sithlord48: I can  open amdccle with or without sudo and it runs proper.
[22:28] <sithlord48> KerrMD:  don't use sudo for gui programs use kdesudo you can break stuff otherwise
[22:28] <sithlord48> its all good , right click on your kmenu and "edit menu " find cccle and edit the command so its kdesudo amdcccle then save (problem sovled)
[22:29] <sithlord48> oh lol mine does it too for 11.3 guess that shows you how much i use my menu i ususally just hit alt+f2 and type in the program i want or command
[22:31] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I find sometimes that things dont seem to want to work on 64bit...like the game I like in the repos... xmoto... when I try to create a profile to play the game... its like the keyboard isnt work... I cant type a name of the profile... even tried using an onscreen keyboard... plus its just to have both arch available if I want to play among them... some programs I found on the net are only available in 32 bit
[22:31] <KerrMD> 11-5 was a challenge but only because I was minding the wrong guide
[22:32] <sithlord48> odd xmoto works good here.
[22:32] <sithlord48> i use a controller cause playing w/ the kbd is way harder
[22:32] <KerrMD> I haven't had a controller since the '90's I think
[22:33] <sithlord48> i own a lot of ps2 to usb controller adaptors. so i use a ps2 controller
[22:33] <KerrMD> Well, thanks for the tip but wow-wine is calling =D
[22:33] <KerrMD> <3 the 4.1
[22:33] <wildgoose> sithlord48, No joy with latest kernel.
[22:33] <sithlord48> later KerrMD
[22:34] <S74rk7> sithlord48: was reading on the net too though... pretty much saying the same thing... it can cause issues... maybe scrap that idea and have a home folder for each...
[22:34] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  thats is indeed odd. what about your acpi pakages, and the other stuff related to the chip same version?
[22:34] <S74rk7> sithlord48: I use a PS2 usb hub too :)
[22:34] <sithlord48> S74rk7: i have a dozen or so differnet ones. seams all the hardware for any electronics ends up at my house so controllers are ez to come by
[22:35] <sithlord48> if its "broken" people tend to give me the hardware..
[22:37] <wildgoose> sithlord48, Yep checked that, they are the same and thinkpad specific. The only difference was that fedora used cpuspeed for scaling, and ubuntu doesn't have that package by default.
[22:37] <pentarex> hey guys
[22:37] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  can u get it ?
[22:38] <S74rk7> sithlord48: Sound like me mate - my bedroom is pretty much an electronics graveyard...I get given pretty much anything electrical too haha
[22:38] <pentarex> i'm having some issue - I have HP g62 with ATI RADEON 5470, I've installed kubuntu 11.04 but after the install there is only black screen and the fan goes off
[22:38] <pentarex> I can even get in
[22:39] <DeltaEpsilon_> kubutnu just shut down buy itself :(
[22:39] <wildgoose> sithlord48, The joke is that removing that package from fedora is what fixed the scaling issue.
[22:39] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  oh well then time to look at config files...
[22:39] <sithlord48> pentarex:  open driver ? properitary driver, do u get a cli or just black ?
[22:40] <pentarex> sithlord48: just black (blank) screen
[22:40] <sithlord48> can u get a tty ? crtl+alt+f1 ?
[22:40] <wildgoose> sithlord48, Yeah I've been digging and digging, I'm going to step back and fight the bug another day. Thanks for the help
[22:40] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  anytime
[22:41] <sithlord48> wildgoose: surly its a simple fix you will see when you come back to it
[22:41] <pentarex> sithlord48: i didnt try, but I have two video cards on my laptop the one is Intel the other is ATI Radeon
[22:41] <pentarex> sithlord48: if something happens, what should I do?
[22:41] <pentarex> how I can switch the graphic cards?
[22:41] <sithlord48> pentarex:  OH...
[22:42] <sithlord48> pentarex:  you installed the properitary driver?
[22:42] <pentarex> sithlord48: i didn't install anything I;ve install just kubuntu 15 minutes ago and cant log in
[22:43] <sithlord48> ok does you computer have a fn key combo to switch video cards?
[22:44] <pentarex> AFAIK no
[22:44] <sithlord48> pentarex:  did you use it w/ a different os?
[22:45] <pentarex> sithlord48: yeah with windows 7 and OPEN SUSE, but with open suse only live like now
[22:45] <sithlord48> pentarex:  does the live kubutnu work?
[22:46] <pentarex> sithlord48: at this moment - yes
[22:46] <sithlord48> i've never used one of those machines.. idk how to do it w/ two cards.
[22:47] <sithlord48> you might want to ask in #ubuntu-x as that kind of config is a new type they might be able to help
[22:48] <pentarex> sithlord48: thank you a lot mate
[22:48] <sithlord48> pentarex: sorry i can't help more hopefully someone there can
[22:58] <pentarex> sithlord48: no one is answering in 3 other channels :S
[23:00] <sithlord48> pentarex:  :( idk where to direct you have you tried looking on the ubuntuforums or kubuntuforums.net ?
[23:02] <pentarex> sithlord48: I'm not native english speking person and IDK how to search for it
[23:02] <pentarex> :D
[23:02] <sithlord48> let me see what i can do for you what model laptop you got ?
[23:06] <sithlord48> pentarex:  maybe one of these links will help ? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=bnR&channel=ks&q=duel+video+card+laptop+xorg&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=
[23:17] <pentarex> sithlord48: can you give me the link once again mate my laptop restart w/o reason :X
[23:32] <wildgoose> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=bnR&channel=ks&q=duel+video+card+laptop+xorg&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=
[23:36] <ubuntu__> help in archlinux
[23:36] <Pici> ubuntu__: Try asking in archlinux's channel.
[23:40] <sithlord48> wildgoose:  thank you for posting that again for him i was away
[23:45] <ScourKing> I need help resetting my context menus I am missing the send to desktop and send to panel options
[23:45] <sithlord48> !paste
[23:46] <sithlord48> ScourKing:  are you widgets locked?
[23:46] <ScourKing> let me look
[23:46] <ScourKing> yes they are
[23:46] <ScourKing> oh dont tell me...lol
[23:47] <sithlord48> ScourKing:  lol it happens
[23:47] <ScourKing> In my defense Im new to linux
[23:47] <ScourKing> I had just updated when i noticed it and thought an update got me
[23:48] <ScourKing> Thx so much i was digging for the dvd to reload my computer
[23:48] <ScourKing> Can I lock the widgets but still have those options to put stuff where i want it
[23:49] <ScourKing> like edit the context menus
[23:49] <ScourKing> i got spoiled to winblows right clicks
[23:51] <ScourKing> I cant wait to try linux on my big computer I put it on this laptop for the kid just to see what it looked like and i am now empressed enough to try it on the big nasty system
[23:52] <ScourKing> It remindes me of the old days of win 3.1 and going to Dos Prompts to get the real work done
[23:53] <wildgoose> ScourKing, hah, showing our age now..
[23:53] <ScourKing> I'll be 40 in November
[23:54] <ScourKing> I think thats the main reason I love Linux I get a chance to go back to a "Dos" Prompt and get real things done
[23:55] <ScourKing> Is there a better irc client then Quassel I used to use mirc years ago but I see they dont have a linux port
[23:56] <ScourKing> I havnet been on irc since I graduated to newsgroups binaries
[23:56] <wildgoose> ScourKing, I like xchat, of course "better" and "best" are relative to your taste.
[23:57] <ScourKing> yeah I cant figure this one out its a little to simple for me
[23:57] <ScourKing> I cant even find a groups list button
[23:58] <wildgoose> ScourKing, You could also try Irssi.
[23:58] <ScourKing> Well dinner calls thx for the help guys I will be back Im sure
[23:58] <ScourKing> thx goose
[23:58] <wildgoose> pidgin combines irc with im too