[00:09] <Captainkrtek> hey Rocket2DMn
[00:10] <Rocket2DMn> hey Captainkrtek
[00:10] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, may I PM you?
[00:11] <j1mc> hi all
[00:13] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: i've put together a brief listing of different help resources on the web for ubuntu. http://ubuntuone.com/p/xqu/
[00:13] <j1mc> are you able to open that?
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, yeah
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, yeah, it opens
[00:15] <j1mc> i have done that as a kind of starting point for discussions on better integrating the various help sites that we have
[00:16] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, PM'd
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> ok j1mc , i'm trying to do a few things at once right now
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> if you ping me later i'll have another look to see if i have other sites
[00:18] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: no worries
[00:18] <j1mc> i'm preparing a note to the ML about it anyway
[00:19] <j1mc> have a good evening, Rocket2DMn and Captainkrtek
[00:19] <Captainkrtek> thanks, you too j1mc :)
[00:19] <Rocket2DMn> you too j1mc
[00:20] <MrChrisDruif> j1mc; Your Jim of the ML?
[00:20] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: yes, that's me.
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha :)
[00:21] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: are you on the ML? If so, what's your name on there? Chris Druif?
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, or just Chris...don't remember :)
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> I gave a the first reply on the blog
[00:22] <j1mc> ah, i see
[00:22] <Captainkrtek> mdke, are you around?
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> So I'm haven't been around very long
[00:23] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: no worries. welcome.
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> :P I think you also rejected my membership of the docs team, because it's for teams only
[00:24] <j1mc> we get that a lot - a lot of people apply through there.
[00:25] <MrChrisDruif> I can't remember is it's mentioned somewhere properly. Might help if it did :)
[00:25] <j1mc> i can't blame them for being a bit confused - you have to read some detailed stuff to see that you shouldn't apply to that group.
[00:25] <j1mc> it is mentioned on that page, yeah.
[00:25] <j1mc> you don't have to look elsewhere - it's right on the page.
[00:26] <j1mc> there is a separate page for the docs-contributors team, though, and people can easily join that team.
[00:26] <j1mc> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc-contributors
[00:26] <j1mc> here is the team that you may have tried to join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc
[00:27] <Captainkrtek> I remember when I joined :P
[00:27] <Captainkrtek> or tried to ;-)
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> I got a friendly note attached to my rejection. I wanted to thank you for that j1mc :)
[00:28] <j1mc> if you have the time, take a look at this page and let me know if you can think of any docs- or help-related sites that i might have missed: http://ubuntuone.com/p/xqu/
[00:29] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: you are welcome! : )
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> There's only one side for server help?
[00:31] <j1mc> well, they are working on a set of cloud documentation and a an "ensemble" docs set.
[00:31] <j1mc> there is also various server help on the wiki, i assume.
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> For desktop and server you mean?
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> Just look for any app that is run from terminal ;)
[00:31] <Captainkrtek> MrChrisDruif, also welcome! :-) never welcomed you yet If I recall correctly
[00:31] <j1mc> "ensemble" is an ubuntu project related to the server/cloud
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks Captainkrtek , but I never properly introduces myself on the mailing-list, so partly my fault :P
[00:32] <Captainkrtek> ehh ive been afk, havent been watching the ML too closely in the past weeks
[00:33] <Captainkrtek> very busy with work
[00:33]  * MrChrisDruif has too many ML's ;)
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> manpages.ubuntu.com might be something for me O:-)
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> If I look at that list, I think there are TOO MANY place you might be able to find help :-/
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> And I don't know how the Manual is set up, but shouldn't it just take pages from help.ubuntu.com and /community?
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know about your timezones....but at mine it's 1:37...AM
[00:38] <j1mc> it is 7:37 where i am, but i am normally one hour earlier (6:37pm).
[00:38] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: ubuntu manual is technically an entirely separate project
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> When it's not daylight savings you mean?
[00:38] <j1mc> their work is not hosted on canonical servers
[00:39] <j1mc> i included them just as a ntoe
[00:39] <j1mc> note
[00:39] <MrChrisDruif> That I understand...was set up by Benjamin if I'm not mistaken?
[00:40] <j1mc> that's right.
[00:41] <MrChrisDruif> I can also understand why they wanted to do it...so you've got a one-stop shop for all the default apps in Ubuntu
[00:41] <MrChrisDruif> But now we've got the situation where something might be updated in the Manual, but not on the wiki
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> or help I should say
[00:45] <MrChrisDruif> But /me is going to bed...we'll discuss it another time :)
[00:46] <j1mc> take care, MrChrisDruif
[00:46] <j1mc> thanks for your input
[00:46] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, just my 2c....will get to the dollar shortly ;)
[00:46] <j1mc> yeah - the wiki doesn't receive the dedicated and regular tending that it requires
[00:46] <j1mc> it is easy to write - it is more difficult to maintain
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> If written properly, it doesn't need much maintaining...help pages that is
[00:48] <j1mc> sometimes... it depends on the topic
[00:49] <MrChrisDruif> True...
[00:49] <j1mc> all help requires a good deal of tending. but some stuff... like updating grub. those don't change as much. you're right.