[08:40] <fta2> mdeslaur, fyi, just upgraded a lucid server, pam once again broke cron. 1.1.1-2ubuntu5.3
[08:43] <fta2> mdeslaur, n-m, it auto-installed the bogus one before, and i missed it as cron failed to inform me
[12:51] <mdeslaur> fta2: 1.1.1-2ubuntu5.3 is the one that fixes cron, how could it have broken it?
[12:51] <mdeslaur> fta2: what are the symptoms?
[12:53] <mdeslaur> fta2: ah, sorry, didn't notice your other comment
[13:16] <fta2> mdeslaur, i guess i depend too much on logcheck and cron. i should probably turn some of my tools to daemons rather than cron jobs
[13:19] <mdeslaur> fta2: well, the broken pam was only in the archive for a few hours, and it's unlikely to ever happen again
[13:19] <fta2> pam_limits(cron:session): Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored
[13:20] <fta2> pam_limits(sshd:session): Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored
[13:20] <mdeslaur> fta2: that's unrelated to the update
[13:20] <fta2> yep, i know, it's oneiric
[13:20] <fta2> but it's another unexpected issue with cron
[13:21] <fta2> ...showing me that i really need to cut my dependency on cron
[13:24] <mdeslaur> fta2: looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625226
[13:24] <ubot2> Debian bug 625226 in libpam-modules "pam_limits: Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored" [Minor,Open]
[13:25] <fta2> yep
[13:25] <mdeslaur> fta2: could you please file a new launchpad bug against pam and link that one?
[13:32] <fta2> mdeslaur, bug 794531
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 794531 in pam "pam_limits: Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794531
[13:33] <mdeslaur> fta2: cool, thanks
[14:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: #thunderbird-unity
[14:04] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, there now ;)
[20:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[20:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - I was wondering if you happened to know which version of libebook and libedataserver was going to be shipped in O?
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, good question :)
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> that might be a question for seb128 in #ubuntu-desktop
[20:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it just occurred to me that it'd be an awful shame if I did all this work, and then all of the APIs changed on me with a version bump. :)
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> although, he's finished for the day
[20:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright, I'll ask him tomorrow.  Thanks!
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, so, i guess it will be 3.2 we ship with
[20:38] <chrisccoulson> we're currently on the stable gnome 3.0 packages, but we'll start tracking the unstable 3.1 packages soon (including e-d-s)
[20:38] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ok, good to know.
[21:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: Is there a timeline for Unity to be on gtk3?
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, this cycle
[21:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: cool - do you know when that'll land?  I appear to have broken my Unity. :p
[21:02] <chrisccoulson> oh, how did you manage that?
[21:02] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I installed Evolution 3.1, and it brought all of that GTK3 business with it
[21:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I can get into Gnome3 alright...but switching back doesn't appear to work.
[21:03] <m_conley> Is there a way for these two to coexist?
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> is this on oneiric?
[21:03] <m_conley> Hm - no, Natty.  I guess I'm behind the curve.  Oh, and maybe it matters that I'm using Unity 2D. :p
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i'm not too sure about that :)
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> it seems to be working ok in oneiric (the gtk2 unity is running alongside all the gtk3 stuff)
[21:04] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: maybe I should get Oneiric on this machine.  Is it relatively stable right now for me to grab it?
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> but theming is all messed up still, as there's no gtk3 port of ambiance yet
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, it seems to work ok atm, but there's no guarantee it won't break ;)
[21:05] <m_conley> hooray! :)
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm quite conservative with applying updates normally though. once my machine works, i generally stay a few days behind with updates to see if anybody elses machine breaks
[21:06] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: that's a good plan.
[21:07] <m_conley> i remember it being particularly difficult with Natty
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i really hate arm
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73216703/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.lightning-extension_1.0~b4~hg20110607r7804%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:43] <BUGabundo> hi