| Myrtti | *sigh* | 01:19 |
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| === gord is now known as Guest99970 | ||
| === Myrtti is now known as Guest5360 | ||
| AlanBell | morning all | 06:39 |
| dwatkins | hiya | 07:00 |
| popey | mng | 07:12 |
| * AlanBell hugs vowels | 07:14 | |
| popey | vrrtd | 07:15 |
| * dwatkins grns | 07:23 | |
| AlanBell | happpy IPV6 day everyone | 07:47 |
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| diplo | Morning all | 08:45 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 08:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Happy IPv6 day, AlanBell | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | are the meeting notes up for last nights meeting? | 08:59 |
| MooDoo | rats i'm thinking of something else sorry :) | 09:00 |
| * AlanBell sends MooDoo back to his TARDIS | 09:04 | |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: i was thinking about a board meeting | 09:05 |
| scoundrel50a | Hi, well I have had another suggestion from launchpad, ab olut the backlight, but I dont understand how to implement it. Can somebody help? | 09:07 |
| scoundrel50a | it says The backlight can be turned on by using setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=50 | 09:08 |
| scoundrel50a | is that something I should enter into the terminal? | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: you shuold probably be in X, and open a terminal to enter that | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: or be in X, then ssh to the machine and run it fro mthere | 09:09 |
| scoundrel50a | MartijnVdS: so how would I open X | 09:10 |
| wintellect | Mornin all | 09:10 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: X = the graphical interface, the bit that's broken? | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | morning wintellect | 09:10 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, I know both machines have openssh installed, but how to get into it using ssh I dont know | 09:11 |
| MooDoo | scoundrel50a: ssh -l username ipaddress of machine | 09:14 |
| scoundrel50a | MooDoo: thank you, one question, how do I found out the ip addresses of the machines on the network? | 09:20 |
| MooDoo | open up a terminal on that machine and type ifconfig | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | scoundrel50a: ask your router, or use the (short) hostname, that should work if you're using plain desktop ubuntu | 09:20 |
| MooDoo | or do that :) | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | (the hostname you entered when installing the machine) | 09:20 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, will give that a go and see if I can get into the other machine | 09:21 |
| scoundrel50a | yay, I think I am in, but that is a test on the machine using maverick. Need to reboot to oneiric. see if that works, if it does, should the upgrade to Natty work also? | 09:26 |
| MooDoo | scoundrel50a: try it and see ;) | 09:26 |
| scoundrel50a | also, all I need to do it run that command, I posted earlier, and it will work, just copy it, yes? | 09:27 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, going to log off, as I need to boot up to oneiric, and will open xchat on this machine | 09:28 |
| scoundrel50a | brb | 09:28 |
| popey | dittomorning all | 09:29 |
| MooDoo | popey: morning | 09:30 |
| kazade | morning popey | 09:30 |
| DJones | Morning all | 09:33 |
| scoundrel50a | I'm back | 09:33 |
| scoundrel50a | do I just copy and paste that command into the terminal now, I am connected to the Netty machine vis ssh | 09:34 |
| MooDoo | give it a try | 09:34 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, one sec | 09:35 |
| scoundrel50a | did that, and got an error | 09:39 |
| popey | what error? | 09:39 |
| scoundrel50a | Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.0/config | 09:39 |
| popey | ok, one moment | 09:39 |
| scoundrel50a | sorry, having to work on netbook, and its very slow, should I have entered sudo before the command | 09:40 |
| popey | you can certainly try that | 09:40 |
| scoundrel50a | just did and it, and I think it might just have worked, but it turned the pc back on, but it looks like it went to maverick instead. I'll see | 09:42 |
| popey | it shouldnt matter what kernel | 09:43 |
| scoundrel50a | ook, got something I havent seen before when trying to load oneiric, now have a list of about 6 errors showing eror 71 just before in loads and its not turning the backlight on, I think its oneiric, is there anyway I can load Natty the same way I loaded oneiric, just to test, by using the .deb installation? I think I might completely uninstall oneiric and try again | 09:45 |
| BigRedS | scoundrel50a: you can't (reliably) downgrade through apt if that's what you mean | 09:46 |
| BigRedS | it'd be a fresh install | 09:46 |
| BigRedS | all the automation is geared towards upgrading | 09:46 |
| scoundrel50a | no, its an install on oneiric kernel using .deb install | 09:47 |
| scoundrel50a | I can uninstall it, I did that yesterday, I had a command but I cant remember it | 09:49 |
| popey | having that kernel installed isnt an issue | 09:49 |
| scoundrel50a | its te back light, and why now I am getting errors when I wasnt yesterday | 09:50 |
| kaushal | Hi | 09:50 |
| kaushal | I have this script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621598/ is there a way to get output as Debain:bash and Redhat : csh and so on and so forth ? | 09:51 |
| MooDoo | scoundrel50a: it's alpha so you could get different errors on a daily basis | 09:51 |
| popey | hang on MooDoo scoundrel50a | 09:51 |
| * MooDoo stops moving and is now statue like :) | 09:52 | |
| scoundrel50a | which is why I wondered about deleting that kernel and installing the Natty kernelto see if it might work better on that | 09:52 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: I would recommend you don't install or uninstall anything right now. | 09:52 |
| scoundrel50a | k | 09:52 |
| popey | when you boot oneiric kernel, do you get a dark screen? | 09:52 |
| scoundrel50a | yes | 09:52 |
| scoundrel50a | but like yesterday, I can click on the enter button enter my password and it logs me in but no backlight | 09:53 |
| popey | Ok. boot to that kernel, get the dark screen, ssh in, then run that command, if you get an error, tell us the exact error message | 09:53 |
| scoundrel50a | as soon as the log in screen appears and the rum rolke starts the backlight turns off | 09:53 |
| popey | rum rolke? | 09:54 |
| BigRedS | sounds tasty | 09:54 |
| popey | drum roll? | 09:54 |
| scoundrel50a | hehe, sorry, my fingers are too big for me to type fasst on the betbook, drum roll right, yes, lol | 09:54 |
| shauno | hm, ipv6 day .. I R disappoint | 09:54 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: why? | 09:55 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: can you please run this command:- | 09:55 |
| shauno | MartijnVdS: the only v6 connections I'm seeing are the same ones I always see | 09:55 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | kaushal: for i in {1..5}; do echo "$Unix[$i]:$Shell[$i]; done ? | 09:55 |
| popey | lspci | pastebinit | 09:56 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: assuming you have pastebinit installed | 09:56 |
| shauno | google's mailserver still hits me via v4, ditto yahoo, apple, canonical, etc. liszt.debian is using 6 tho :) | 09:57 |
| === Guest99970 is now known as gord | ||
| scoundrel50a | popey:just installing pastebinit on other machine via ssh, | 09:58 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: here are the results | 09:59 |
| scoundrel50a | http://pastebin.com/nBg8ZXC0 | 09:59 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/config | 10:00 |
| popey | does that file exist? | 10:00 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, will have a look | 10:01 |
| scoundrel50a | I entered what you put there into the command line to look for the file but nothing happened | 10:02 |
| scoundrel50a | just copied and pasted | 10:02 |
| popey | can you ... | 10:02 |
| scoundrel50a | shouldnt I put cd before that, istnead of ls? | 10:03 |
| scoundrel50a | I put cd in front of that, and its says no such directory | 10:04 |
| MooDoo | popey: daubers recorded one of your mum buntu talks and put it on blip tv, is it ok to share it with a little blog post? | 10:04 |
| popey | find ugh | 10:05 |
| popey | er | 10:05 |
| popey | ugh | 10:05 |
| popey | yes | 10:05 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:05 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: hang on | 10:05 |
| scoundrel50a | sorry, me just looking round | 10:05 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit | 10:05 |
| gord | popey is currently experiencing a technical fault, we apologise for the loss of functionality and have engineers working around the clock to correct this | 10:06 |
| BigRedS | hah | 10:07 |
| kaushal | BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621612/ | 10:08 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, I cd to psi and and ran pastebinit and got this | 10:08 |
| scoundrel50a | http://pastebin.com/hMAYLF9g | 10:09 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: at no point did I say cd | 10:09 |
| popey | 10:05:56 < popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit | 10:09 |
| scoundrel50a | i | 10:09 |
| kaushal | BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621613/ | 10:09 |
| scoundrel50a | I know, I ried that, but got error that I posted just now | 10:09 |
| scoundrel50a | says no such directory | 10:10 |
| scoundrel50a | but there is, | 10:10 |
| BigRedS | kaushal: oh, wait. I've no idea what declare does | 10:10 |
| popey | wait | 10:10 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit | 10:10 |
| popey | just run that, exactly like that | 10:10 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, will try again | 10:11 |
| BigRedS | oh, and it should be ${array[index]} rather than just $array[$index] | 10:11 |
| BigRedS | I'm sure annoying syntax is an intentional design 'feature' of bash... | 10:11 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: what kind of language is that? | 10:12 |
| MartijnVdS | bash? | 10:12 |
| MartijnVdS | $array[$index] is Perl :) | 10:12 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting | 10:12 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: http://pastebin.com/P20K9829 try that | 10:13 |
| scoundrel50a | I left out the find, as I thought that wasnt included, my appologies | 10:13 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: i just ran that exact command on four separate machines | 10:13 |
| popey | ok | 10:14 |
| popey | dont think. type. ☺ | 10:14 |
| scoundrel50a | I'm really sorry, | 10:14 |
| popey | just kidding | 10:14 |
| scoundrel50a | no problem, I am frustrated, so I know what you must be freeling | 10:14 |
| scoundrel50a | brb in two secs | 10:15 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: yeah, and bash wants ${array[$index]} | 10:15 |
| BigRedS | or something with yet *more* non-alphanumeric characters :) | 10:15 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: hmm executable line noise :) | 10:15 |
| livingdaylight | are these thinkpads out of date? Would you get a refurbished system? http://goo.gl/ltW8D | 10:15 |
| popey | livingdaylight: it's not new | 10:16 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: since I started using eval all over the place I've really noticed that line-noise thing; `if (!$@){ ` *does* look like an expletive | 10:16 |
| czajkowski | hmm | 10:16 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: is the box currently logged in? | 10:17 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: TryCatch \o/ | 10:17 |
| scoundrel50a | yes | 10:17 |
| scoundrel50a | back now | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: do things properly? | 10:18 |
| BigRedS | that's not my way :) | 10:18 |
| scoundrel50a | even though I cant see anything, I found out that I coud log by clicking on enter and entering my password, and it logged me in, even though I cant see anything | 10:18 |
| popey | ok | 10:19 |
| popey | so you're looking at a very dark desktop? | 10:19 |
| scoundrel50a | yes | 10:19 |
| livingdaylight | popey, indeed, I don't know how many years old it is, core2duo suggests around 5 years old? Even if I could live with the spec. how much more will one be able to get more out of it? depends how much heavy or not use it has already reveived i suppose. | 10:19 |
| popey | livingdaylight: my day to day work machine is a 1.6GHz c2d | 10:19 |
| popey | not out of choice you understand :D | 10:19 |
| BigRedS | livingdaylight: they don't get worse with age; it's no less usable than a c2d was when they were new :) | 10:19 |
| scoundrel50a | I can only close the machine down by pressing the on button till it turns off, and for a second, it shows the box with the shutting down options then goes black again | 10:20 |
| BigRedS | that's an IBM one, too, so certainly within the built-like-a-brick-toilet era | 10:20 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: i have another command for you... | 10:21 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 10:21 |
| popey | two in fact... | 10:21 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 10:21 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:22 |
| popey | ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit | 10:22 |
| popey | ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit | 10:22 |
| scoundrel50a | http://pastebin.com/2BhtQ1GL | 10:22 |
| BigRedS | hi brobostigon! How's things? | 10:22 |
| livingdaylight | BigRedS, that would certainly be true if it was new. As its used though, I do have some question marks as to what's left in the tank. As solid as they are everything has got a life-cycle. But it would do what I need to get done and so why pay +£600 when I can get this beauty for under £200? pros and cons... :s | 10:23 |
| brobostigon | BigRedS: hi, not bad, various pains, but not bad. and you? | 10:23 |
| scoundrel50a | http://pastebin.com/ayjdyCW9 | 10:23 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: both reults posted | 10:23 |
| popey | got it | 10:23 |
| popey | two more... | 10:23 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 10:23 |
| BigRedS | livingdaylight: it'll probably be fine. I've bought many old & ancient thinkpads off ebay and the worst I've had is dud batteries. In fact, they've all had dud batteries | 10:24 |
| BigRedS | brobostigon: Ach, I'm not bad. Still got to get over this issue where I don't feel like sleeping at night, but do for most of the morning :/ | 10:24 |
| livingdaylight | BigRedS, does that one look good? | 10:24 |
| scoundrel50a | just found out from launchpad, openSUSE 11.4 is having thre same problems on some computers | 10:24 |
| BigRedS | livingdaylight: Looks fine to me. Is much newer than I'm used to buying though :) | 10:25 |
| livingdaylight | BigRedS, lol... 60gb hd, ugh... | 10:25 |
| BigRedS | Hah, my last one was a P3 | 10:25 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit | 10:25 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit | 10:25 |
| BigRedS | I think I completely skipped c2 in thinkpads - work bought be a shiny (well, matte) new one in feb, which is actually *new* and i3 or something | 10:25 |
| kaushal | BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621622/ | 10:25 |
| livingdaylight | BigRedS, maybe I shouldn't be taking advice from you then; you love old relics, lol | 10:26 |
| brobostigon | BigRedS: ah, i see. hmmm. | 10:26 |
| BigRedS | livingdaylight: haha, yeah, that's a reasonable point :) | 10:26 |
| BigRedS | But they have character! | 10:26 |
| popey | thats no way to talk about his wife! | 10:26 |
| popey | etc | 10:26 |
| livingdaylight | but not much style! | 10:26 |
| BigRedS | kaushal: I'm not really sure; all I can suggest is googling something like "bash arrays" and reading what comes up | 10:27 |
| livingdaylight | popey, I didn't know he was married to his machine :p | 10:27 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: keep getting this back from entering those commands.....You are trying to send an empty document, exiting | 10:27 |
| scoundrel50a | I'll try again, one sec | 10:27 |
| popey | hmm | 10:28 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: this would be a lot quicker/easier if you just let me ssh into your machine :D | 10:28 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: now I get this.....ls: cannot access /sys/devices/pci0000:000000:00:02.0: No such file or directory | 10:28 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: you missed a / | 10:28 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, if you watn please do | 10:28 |
| scoundrel50a | what do you need, | 10:29 |
| scoundrel50a | can I give you information in private mesage | 10:29 |
| popey | you'd probably need to open port 22 on your router/firewall and point it to the IP your broken machine has | 10:29 |
| popey | and then create a user | 10:29 |
| popey | and let me know the password in pm | 10:29 |
| scoundrel50a | not done that before, but you can go in as me, I trust you, its just opening the port, how do I do that | 10:30 |
| popey | depends on the router you have | 10:31 |
| popey | http://portforward.com/ can help you there :D | 10:31 |
| scoundrel50a | netgear | 10:31 |
| popey | look for your model on that page | 10:31 |
| BigRedS | livingdaylight: it's more of a harem... | 10:31 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, give me a sec,and I'll see if I can get it to work | 10:31 |
| popey | ok | 10:31 |
| popey | no hurry | 10:32 |
| livingdaylight | BigRedS, ^^ | 10:32 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, I am on sky,and for some reason there is nowhere on the router that shows the model number, been looking and even in the router settings I can find the number, might be a bit longer than a couple of secs, sorry | 10:43 |
| popey | ahh, sky router | 10:44 |
| popey | no idea how you do it on that | 10:44 |
| * popey pokes gord | 10:44 | |
| diplo | You can do it on sky | 10:44 |
| diplo | admin and sky is username and pass | 10:45 |
| diplo | By default | 10:45 |
| scoundrel50a | in router settings | 10:45 |
| diplo | Port access sucks though | 10:45 |
| scoundrel50a | how do I port forward | 10:45 |
| diplo | Just trying to remember, not re-enabled mine yet but have done in the past | 10:45 |
| diplo | It's maybe under advanced ? | 10:45 |
| diplo | See if I can find you a tutorial a sec | 10:46 |
| gord | not used a sky router for years and years sorry | 10:46 |
| gord | didn't use one when i was with sky | 10:46 |
| scoundrel50a | sky make things really difficult | 10:46 |
| diplo | Depends if you have the DG834 Netgear one or the other brand that I have that name has totally left me for a second | 10:47 |
| diplo | All tuts are for DG834 atm | 10:48 |
| diplo | Small black router ? | 10:48 |
| scoundrel50a | black router, yes | 10:48 |
| scoundrel50a | but there is no model number anywhere | 10:48 |
| diplo | Yep, SAGEM I think, same as mine | 10:48 |
| diplo | Two secs, getting you a link | 10:49 |
| scoundrel50a | this is definatgely netgear, but wouldnt the router settings be the same, I had a sagem for a week and I thing they seemed the same | 10:49 |
| diplo | oh right, use a black netgear now then | 10:49 |
| diplo | :P | 10:49 |
| diplo | Ok, so it's under firewall settings | 10:49 |
| diplo | http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9998/clipboard07xg8.gif | 10:50 |
| scoundrel50a | um, will take a look | 10:51 |
| diplo | Or could just use TeamViewer ? | 10:52 |
| popey | no, i want to use ssh | 10:53 |
| diplo | :) | 10:54 |
| scoundrel50a | that doesnt give an option for ports, just LAN settings, could it be the option that has start port, finish port options? | 10:55 |
| diplo | Or if you get stuck scoundrel50a, you could enable Remote Management and get some one else to change, then change pass after | 10:55 |
| scoundrel50a | diplo: that sounds easier, | 10:55 |
| scoundrel50a | I am in the RM settings now, what do I need to do? | 10:56 |
| diplo | Seems your settings are different than the tutorial, so will have to say what it says ? | 10:57 |
| diplo | Normally enable, and some times allows you to lock down what IP it comes from | 10:57 |
| diplo | And whether you have http/ssh access | 10:58 |
| diplo | to the router | 10:58 |
| diplo | All depends on router | 10:58 |
| scoundrel50a | I entered the IP of the computer that needs accessing, I can change the port to 20, as it has that option, would that be right then? | 10:59 |
| diplo | RM is normally to access the router, so that would be the port you want people to connect to your router on | 11:00 |
| diplo | So someones IP from here, and port 80 ? | 11:00 |
| scoundrel50a | why is it so complicated........makes me want to bang my head against the wall | 11:00 |
| popey | security is complicated :D | 11:02 |
| popey | the port should be 22 | 11:02 |
| popey | thats the ssh port | 11:02 |
| diplo | This was for remote management of router popey | 11:02 |
| diplo | So could set up portforwarding for him | 11:02 |
| popey | oh sorry | 11:02 |
| diplo | No stickers @ all on the bottom of the router scoundrel50a ? | 11:03 |
| scoundrel50a | just sticker giving serial no and mac address | 11:05 |
| scoundrel50a | even looking at box and no details on there either, sky makes it really difficult | 11:05 |
| diplo | heh, mac address can get manaf but that's it I suppose | 11:06 |
| diplo | Did you have a link to Firewall rules ? | 11:06 |
| scoundrel50a | no | 11:07 |
| popey | one day someone will make an easy remote ssh connection thing with zero effort | 11:07 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: morning slur ;) er i mean sir....now i think i was right the first time | 11:09 |
| diplo | Sounds good popey | 11:09 |
| diplo | :D | 11:09 |
| diplo | I doubt it though | 11:09 |
| davmor2 | Mez: POKE!!!!!!!! | 11:09 |
| diplo | scoundrel50a, want me to poke around on the router, could jump on using teamviewer and fix router and enable ssh for popey ? | 11:09 |
| scoundrel50a | could you, that would help | 11:10 |
| diplo | http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx | 11:10 |
| diplo | PM me id/pass | 11:10 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, give me a sec | 11:11 |
| scoundrel50a | it says its a .exe, how will that work, via wine, yes? | 11:12 |
| popey | there is a linux version too | 11:12 |
| diplo | http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb | 11:12 |
| popey | (which is actually a windows app bundled with wine libraries) | 11:13 |
| diplo | 32 bit ^^ | 11:13 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 11:13 |
| scoundrel50a | yes this is a 32 bit machine I am typing on, and which is accessing the router | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Morning you old bald hippy ;) | 11:16 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: how very dare you.....hippy?? ;) | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | haha MooDoo flower power to you man ;) | 11:17 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: cheeky ******************* :) | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Does that mean SuperStar? | 11:19 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: seeing as it's you then yes....woooaoooah your my heroooooo la la la :) | 11:19 |
| MooDoo | ooooo more jobs on canonicals careers page | 11:21 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, problem with intalling this, when I click on it, it says cannot open package called file. Why does Softwware Ware centre open now. I am using Netty | 11:21 |
| diplo | Not tried it on Natty I'm afraid | 11:22 |
| diplo | running Mav here | 11:22 |
| MooDoo | customer support specialist....hmm interesting | 11:22 |
| scoundrel50a | wont work on Natty, even using .exe via wine | 11:23 |
| scoundrel50a | off to bang head against wall | 11:23 |
| popey | https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=125 looks interesting | 11:23 |
| MooDoo | popey: i don't have the developer skills for that, but seeing as i've been in customer services for lots of years :D | 11:24 |
| scoundrel50a | what I will do is, log out of other machine, into Maverick, and you can do it from there, just thought about that now | 11:24 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: waaasaaaaaap | 11:28 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Wot no job? | 11:29 |
| BigRedS | my panel's stopped updating (specifically the empathy icon) | 11:29 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, connected to network, transfered teamweaver to other machine and now installing it | 11:30 |
| BigRedS | in the olden days I'd do `killall gnome-panel` to fix it; what's the unity version? | 11:30 |
| BigRedS | oh | 11:30 |
| BigRedS | unity-panel-service | 11:30 |
| scoundrel50a | wont install because its 32 bit package, my laptop is 64bit, grrrrr | 11:31 |
| diplo | scoundrel50a, http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux_x64.deb | 11:34 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: i've got a job, i've just seen that one at canonical that sounds interesting | 11:39 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: is it at home or in one of the offices though? | 11:39 |
| MooDoo | home | 11:40 |
| scoundrel50a | sorry, was on other machine trying to look for this and didnt see you, thank you | 11:41 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it's a home based one | 11:41 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Oh I though most of the tech support was office based :) | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: you going for it? | 11:42 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it's not specifically tech support it's more like customer support | 11:43 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: i'm interested so far | 11:43 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=228 | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: So are you going for it? | 11:43 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yeah probably lol | 11:43 |
| scoundrel50a | diplo: finally installing it on other machine | 11:46 |
| diplo | :) | 11:47 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, its opened up, what do I for you to connect? | 11:49 |
| scoundrel50a | can I open private message, to give you id | 11:50 |
| diplo | yup shoot | 11:50 |
| === eightbitraptor_ is now known as eightbitraptor | ||
| === denny_ is now known as denny | ||
| scoundrel50a | diplo and popey: got the port forwarded, that was hard work | 12:27 |
| scoundrel50a | popey: are you still available to connect to my machine | 12:28 |
| scoundrel50a | anybody around? | 12:32 |
| MooDoo | scoundrel50a: probably lots of it, it's just lunch time :D | 12:39 |
| MooDoo | s/it/us | 12:39 |
| scoundrel50a_ | juat bwondered, was hoping I hadnt broken anything messing with the router settings | 12:40 |
| MooDoo | ooops may of now lol | 12:42 |
| scoundrel50a | sorry, using netbook, and way too small for fingers | 12:43 |
| popey | scoundrel50a: just having lunch, back in a bit | 12:54 |
| scoundrel50a | ok, no problem, the connection works so you can get into the machine | 12:55 |
| diplo | http://pastebin.com/A0NW9PjX <-- Popey | 12:58 |
| diplo | Will let you take over as I don't know what you are looking for | 12:58 |
| MooDoo | MichealH: i see your up for membership :D | 13:07 |
| scoundrel50a | have to reboot | 13:38 |
| scoundrel50a | had some updates, and needed to reboot | 13:42 |
| MooDoo | scoundrel50a: needed to reboot? | 13:44 |
| scoundrel50a | had a load of updates, and the update manager after the updates finished, said need reboot in order for updates to finish. | 13:46 |
| MooDoo | groovy :) | 13:46 |
| JGJones | there was kernel updates recently hence the need for update. | 13:56 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: that explains that then :D | 13:59 |
| JGJones | I mean reboot(!) | 13:59 |
| scoundrel50a | is there a way I can either hide a directory, or make it so that I have to log in to view it | 14:06 |
| scoundrel50a | or both | 14:07 |
| BigRedS | er | 14:10 |
| BigRedS | how're you accessing the machine? | 14:10 |
| BigRedS | over the web? ftp? console? | 14:10 |
| scoundrel50a | this is my laptop, just wanted to know if it could be hidden. I am | 14:13 |
| scoundrel50a | I very rarely access it from anywhere else, now I have openssh, Imight try, but most of the time its accessed from the computer itself | 14:14 |
| scoundrel50a | can you access the machine via ftp? that is interesting | 14:17 |
| ikonia | hardware gurus, does matx boards fit/line up in an atx case, or does it have to be an matx case | 14:17 |
| BigRedS | scoundrel50a: well, you can install an FTP server. The access bit depends upon where you're accessing it from | 14:17 |
| daubers | Afternoons | 14:17 |
| BigRedS | and the network in-between. Firewalls do not like FTP | 14:18 |
| daubers | also, FTP sucks | 14:18 |
| BigRedS | and scp (whish is essentially ssh) is almost always a better option anyway | 14:18 |
| daubers | Question...... I see lots of these "Windows user tries to use Linux" stories around, but how many "Linux user tries to use Windows" stories have people seen around? | 14:19 |
| BigRedS | I've been one | 14:19 |
| BigRedS | it's _hard_ | 14:19 |
| MartijnVdS | I've tried | 14:20 |
| BigRedS | I kept meaning to write about it, but I didn't particularly enjoy reliving it | 14:20 |
| MooDoo | daubers: speak to popey :) he's using windows 7 at the moment | 14:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Can't use it for anything other than games :) | 14:20 |
| MartijnVdS | and configuring my Logitech Harmony | 14:20 |
| daubers | I was considering trying it for a month and seeing how far I get | 14:20 |
| MooDoo | i quite like windows to be honest | 14:20 |
| BakedBean | Windows is not yet ready for the average desktop user. It's too easy to make mistakes, get spyware/malware, etc | 14:21 |
| BigRedS | I'm finding Windows 7 a lot less offensive than I found XP/2003 | 14:21 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I think I'll hit a big barrier of "I want to through together a quick program to do this but don't want to shell out £xxx for Visual Studio" quite quickly | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: eclipse works | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: putty to a Linux machine works | 14:21 |
| MooDoo | BakedBean: the os is ready, it's the users that need educating | 14:21 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: With windows native forms and things? | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: I have Strawberry Perl and Python installed on my W7 machine | 14:21 |
| BigRedS | If windows had repos those wouldn't be anywhere near the issues they are now | 14:21 |
| MooDoo | BakedBean: although the next time my mum or sister get a virus on their machine i'm moving them to ubuntu :) | 14:22 |
| diplo | BigRedS, coming to a windows machine near you soon | 14:22 |
| daubers | Might declare cygwin as cheating too | 14:22 |
| BigRedS | diplo: they keep saying that | 14:22 |
| JGJones | for a "Linux to Windows story to work - you need someone that never have used Windows but use Linux. | 14:23 |
| diplo | Been written now | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | I've seen many projects pop up, they always trip up on licensing | 14:23 |
| diplo | A MS guy started it as a project in his own time, now doing it full time I believe | 14:23 |
| diplo | For MS | 14:23 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: in this day and age you'll fine that hard unless it your grandparents etc | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | JGJones: My intro to WinXP was my windows admin job that I did for three years until about a year ago | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | that seemed remote enough from old windows for me | 14:23 |
| diplo | My ex-father in law was using Crunchbang & WinXP, got on fine | 14:24 |
| JGJones | My daughter would qualify...she used Windows for the first time in school recently. Said it was rubbish. | 14:24 |
| daubers | heh :) | 14:24 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: linux user at home? | 14:24 |
| JGJones | she use Ubuntu and OSX | 14:24 |
| MooDoo | silly question really lol | 14:24 |
| Catbuskris | why linux not more popular? | 14:25 |
| JGJones | she prefer OSX slightly over Ubuntu, but I haven't introduced her to Unity yet ;-) She have her dock on the left. | 14:25 |
| JGJones | Catbuskris, buy a computer. | 14:25 |
| BigRedS | Catbuskris: because for the average user there's no compelling reason to switch to it | 14:25 |
| JGJones | they come with Windows. | 14:25 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: my son loves tuxpaint | 14:25 |
| Catbuskris | my GF paid £50 for antivirus software, before i could stop her | 14:25 |
| BigRedS | windows is basically free, does what whoever wants and has support *everywhere*. why would anyone bother looking elsewhere? | 14:25 |
| BigRedS | (free as in free beer, obv.) | 14:26 |
| MooDoo | BigRedS: +1 | 14:26 |
| MooDoo | with my parents it's well it works why do i need to change. | 14:26 |
| Catbuskris | it's not basically free, it's basically just unavoidable to pay for | 14:26 |
| JGJones | yup - you go to buy a computer....average joe will just buy a computer...they don't even get that Windows is a operating system. It's just "part of computer". | 14:26 |
| BigRedS | Catbuskris: Er, if you like. Same difference at the end of the day | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | you're never going to get people to change unless they are seriously sick of windows | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | or want something differnt | 14:27 |
| scoundrel50a | Oh I liked xp, if it wass one OS that I would like to still use it would be that, for windows anyway, I like '98 even better. I wont bother with ftp, I think I have enough ways of accessing my computer, if I need to. One thing though, is there a way to hide/set up a password for a directory? | 14:27 |
| Catbuskris | i guess the govt doesn't give a toss about it? i mean, i did "ICT" in school but all we did was screw around with MS excel, never really learned anything about computers | 14:27 |
| BigRedS | scoundrel50a: you'd need to encrypt it | 14:27 |
| hamitron | we could get loads of crapware for a linux distro and pay people to use it? ;) | 14:28 |
| Catbuskris | it makes me buy into the paranoia that governments want their populace to be stupid... | 14:28 |
| scoundrel50a | how would I do that? | 14:28 |
| BigRedS | Catbuskris: no, governments are slow | 14:28 |
| daubers | scoundrel50a: You can "hide" a folder by putting a . at the beggining of the name.... but that's not secure at all really | 14:28 |
| JGJones | Catbuskris, it's not easy buying a computer without Windows - there's not much places you can get a PC with a linux OS on it. | 14:28 |
| MooDoo | Catbuskris: i think the gvmt does care about it, but i bet MS is saying "here's a million quid for your schools to use MS products" :) | 14:28 |
| Catbuskris | heh yeah | 14:28 |
| Catbuskris | all good points | 14:28 |
| JGJones | Yeah that's how Apple started out - it was used a lot in schools. | 14:29 |
| BigRedS | Catbuskris: the government don't see much need to pour the money in to changing it. Where are all these competent IT teachers going to come from? there's already a shortage of IT workers | 14:29 |
| JGJones | Until Microsoft threw money around. | 14:29 |
| JGJones | BigRedS, shortage? | 14:29 |
| scoundrel50a | I should have ticked on the option to encrypt when i installed, it givesthat option and I always say no. :( | 14:29 |
| * JGJones ponders...why am I STILl looking for a job then? Must be doing something wrong there. | 14:29 | |
| BigRedS | JGJones: Well, I keep hearing people moan about getting hold of good admins | 14:29 |
| scoundrel50a | brb | 14:30 |
| Catbuskris | if we're short on something, shouldn't we put more emphasis on it in education? i guess that's a much mroe general question though | 14:30 |
| Catbuskris | but i suppose the status quo has a lot of intertia in this case | 14:30 |
| BigRedS | Catbuskris: only if you perceive school as employment prep. University is, traditionally, where you train teachers | 14:30 |
| MooDoo | Bring back Y T S :) | 14:30 |
| Catbuskris | well school is a whole society prep. | 14:30 |
| daubers | JGJones: What kind of job are you after? | 14:30 |
| MooDoo | lol | 14:30 |
| JGJones | daubers, at this point - flexible - sysadmin for example. | 14:31 |
| daubers | JGJones: Ah, ok. | 14:32 |
| BigRedS | JGJones: whereaboutS? | 14:32 |
| JGJones | Leeds | 14:32 |
| BigRedS | ah, all I've seen is London, and a quick scroll through my mail client doesn't find much | 14:33 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: ever thought of going contracting? | 14:33 |
| JGJones | Moodoo - yeah...just started looking at that... | 14:34 |
| JGJones | however I was informed a lot of these rely on quick access via telephone? | 14:34 |
| JGJones | ie ring up and ask "you available for this" | 14:34 |
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| BigRedS | I've known people earn a fair bit through that. Pays well but is quite ephermal | 14:35 |
| BigRedS | "I need you for four days starting in forty-five minutes. Have several £K" | 14:36 |
| MooDoo | yeah and then nothing for 2 months | 14:36 |
| JGJones | that can be difficult for me - people can't really ring me. | 14:36 |
| JGJones | You can text me, IM me, email me, tweet to me etc etc, but my experience tells me too often, if they can't ring me for a voice call, they'll just move on to someone else. | 14:37 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: how come they can't ring? not allowed at work? | 14:37 |
| JGJones | nah, more that I'm deaf :) | 14:38 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: ah! | 14:38 |
| JGJones | Can be a pain in the arse - I go out of my way to be as contactable as possible but like I say...can't speak on phone? Bye! | 14:39 |
| MooDoo | yeah that must suck :( | 14:39 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: so what about setting up yourself...consultancy? | 14:40 |
| JGJones | That's what I'm doing now actually :) going to bank this week for business advice. | 14:40 |
| MooDoo | groovy :) | 14:40 |
| JGJones | found this - moneypenny.co.uk which might work for me regarding telephone answering. | 14:41 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: speak to AlanBell about consultancy he does it :) | 14:41 |
| JGJones | ta I will do that...would be useful to get advice. | 14:41 |
| MooDoo | JGJones: he does this - http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/ | 14:42 |
| * daubers backs up his home folder | 14:43 | |
| JGJones | daubers, what do you use for doing that? Or just rsync? | 14:43 |
| daubers | JGJones: Just rsync as it's to a USB disk | 14:43 |
| daubers | USB disk is bigger than my laptop disk :) | 14:44 |
| * daubers loves rsync | 14:44 | |
| MooDoo | daubers: how big is the disk? *shocked* | 14:44 |
| MooDoo | sorry read that wrong | 14:44 |
| MooDoo | lol | 14:44 |
| MooDoo | i read disk as pendrive ;) lol | 14:44 |
| daubers | MooDoo: 1TB USB disk | 14:44 |
| daubers | hah :) | 14:45 |
| MooDoo | daubers: sorry being a bit dumb | 14:45 |
| daubers | If I was worried about capacity I'd back it up to the office RAID which has got a few 10's of TB free | 14:45 |
| daubers | Might need to raid my parents roof for some of my old books I think | 14:51 |
| MooDoo | hmmm think i need to upgrade my switch to gigabit | 14:52 |
| PeteB | Anyone know how to delete all instances of files beginning with '.~lock'? I thought I'd use 'rm -ri .~lock*' but this doesn't work | 15:00 |
| daubers | MooDoo: Best future proof yourself, get one of these http://stordis.com/catalogue/product/s=fujitsu-xg2600 | 15:00 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: ... | 15:01 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: there's no kill like overkill | 15:01 |
| MooDoo | daubers: bit of overkill for my home network lol | 15:01 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I have 2 in the office at the moment...... | 15:01 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: didn't you work with robots? | 15:01 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: No, that sounds more fun though | 15:02 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: they'd need 10GigE | 15:02 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I build storage servers for video editing :) When working with uncompressed stuff, you need 10GigE | 15:02 |
| MooDoo | i think i'll just get a gigabit 8port netgear thanks all the same | 15:02 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: Well.. maybe. :) | 15:02 |
| daubers | Hmm... rather than mucking around with project management software I made myself a spreadsheet.... I can see why people spend ages writing software for this now | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | popey: fun fact. what people refer to as "HDR" photography is in fact dynamic range compression (the thing that makes pop music sound so obnoxious) applied to imaging | 15:11 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: under exposed, over exposed and normal all rolled into one :D | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | yes, and then compressed into the colour space of the medium | 15:13 |
| MooDoo | yaya for photohgraphy :) | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | the end result is to make the contrast between objects in dark areas equal to the contrast between objects in light areas | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | which is the same as what they do with music: make the contrast in quiet parts equal to the contrast in loud parts | 15:14 |
| popey | ali1234: you saw that nasa video i tweeted? | 15:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 15:14 |
| popey | yeah, i wondered who would pick up on that :D | 15:14 |
| popey | you win! | 15:14 |
| scoundrel50a | hi popey: would you be able to take a look at my laptop today, could leave it for another time, if so, I need to change router settings. Its not a problem if you want to leave it. | 15:15 |
| popey | i can ssh in now | 15:16 |
| popey | pm me the details | 15:16 |
| scoundrel50a | ok | 15:16 |
| andylockran | /win 6 | 15:21 |
| MooDoo | cooor i think the ubuntu-uk members page needs a bit of love - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members lots of missing images :) | 15:23 |
| popey | well volunteered MooDoo ! | 15:24 |
| popey | "It *is* a wiki!" | 15:24 |
| popey | etc | 15:24 |
| MooDoo | lol ok :) | 15:24 |
| MooDoo | popey: do you know if there is a generic avatar image somewhere on the server i can put in place of the missing images on the members page? | 15:29 |
| Laney | crufty old wiki pages! yay! | 15:30 |
| Laney | replace it with a link to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+mugshots :-) | 15:31 |
| MooDoo | Laney: in fact i'll just use that avatar, it will be ok to link to it won't it? - https://launchpad.net/@@/person-mugshot | 15:32 |
| Laney | I wouldn't bother, but if you insist then it's better to copy it | 15:32 |
| MooDoo | the page on the wiki is in the style of the site which is why i don't want to linkg to the mugshots page :D | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | i see "keep in launcher" is getting closer to working | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | before it didn't work at all. now the icon stays, but when i click on it nothing happens | 15:36 |
| ali1234 | it's progress i suppose | 15:36 |
| ali1234 | if i rerun the program from the shell i get a second copy of the icon | 15:37 |
| ali1234 | oh nice, now unity has gone invisible | 15:40 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: you need a level 23 cloak of unity viewing... | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | it's ok. compiz crashed immediately afterwards | 15:42 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: get past my level 23 mage and i'll pass you one over ;) | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | then it became visible again | 15:42 |
| * MooDoo is defeated | 15:42 | |
| ali1234 | lol the crashdump is 500mb | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | i might send it to launchpad just to be an ass | 15:42 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: you ass ;) | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | looks like there's already about 10 bugs for this | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_lock_full() | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | ah, it happens every time you do "unity --replace" | 15:45 |
| andylockran | wow | 15:52 |
| andylockran | just found a machine that allows ssh logins with the incorrect password | 15:52 |
| andylockran | you just need to guess the correct username | 15:52 |
| Lcawte | lol'? | 15:57 |
| popey | you sure it's sshd running on the box? | 15:59 |
| popey | and not a bot sat harvesting passwords :D | 15:59 |
| BigRedS | man. Virtualmin *loves* restarting apache | 16:00 |
| shauno | andylockran: it's not kippo is it ? | 16:02 |
| MooDoo | did AlanBell just get voted in as POC seeing as there was no more entries on the election page? | 16:15 |
| popey | no | 16:16 |
| popey | he got voted because he was the best person for the job :D | 16:16 |
| MooDoo | lol ok :) | 16:16 |
| davmor2 | popey: No you said it wrong, He's the only man for the job :D | 16:17 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: czajkowski for president? | 16:17 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: in fact where is she hiding....? | 16:17 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: that's just scary | 16:17 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: you'd spot us at meetings that you see that lot over there with the black eyes that'll be the Ubuntu-UK posse | 16:19 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: black eyes? due to the kickings from czajkowski | 16:19 |
| MooDoo | ? | 16:19 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: well if she is president who'd be there to stop her :D | 16:20 |
| daubers | £51.16 for a set of recovery cds!!!! | 16:20 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: power to the people, the popular peoples front of Tooting :) | 16:20 |
| popey | davmor2: for what? | 16:20 |
| popey | er daubers | 16:20 |
| daubers | popey: My PB laptop | 16:20 |
| popey | PB? | 16:20 |
| MooDoo | packard hell | 16:21 |
| davmor2 | packard bell | 16:21 |
| MooDoo | er bell :) | 16:21 |
| daubers | almost cheaper to buy windows through work | 16:21 |
| popey | oh dear | 16:21 |
| popey | almost cheaper to buy a mac :D | 16:21 |
| MooDoo | daubers: it's been pricey like that for 10+ years | 16:21 |
| JGJones | daubers - hmm Sony wanted £35 for their recovery disk | 16:23 |
| JGJones | so I got it slightly easier. | 16:23 |
| JGJones | Didn't buy it though. I just got an OEM ISO by magic and just used the serial that came with the laptop along with drivers off the support page. | 16:24 |
| ujjain | What's the English term for "monk work", extremely much work that is not useful? | 16:25 |
| daubers | JGJones: How do you do that? | 16:25 |
| JGJones | daubers, get the ISO? | 16:25 |
| daubers | JGJones: from where? | 16:25 |
| JGJones | The Power of Google | 16:26 |
| JGJones | (it's a torrent) | 16:26 |
| popey | ujjain: never heard the phrase monk work | 16:26 |
| daubers | JGJones: I'm trying to be good :( | 16:26 |
| davmor2 | daubers: see my pm | 16:26 |
| MooDoo | donkey work? | 16:26 |
| popey | ujjain: and googling "monk work" doesn't show up any reliable hits | 16:26 |
| JGJones | daubers, I know. I just looked for a uncracked OEM | 16:26 |
| JGJones | daubers, the way I see it, the ISO I have, I'm not breaking any licences - I already have a OEM serial number that was on the laptop so I'm just using this same serial number. | 16:27 |
| popey | You see it wrong. | 16:27 |
| daubers | and MS wonder why piracy is a problem | 16:27 |
| popey | Torrenting the ISO is _not_ legal how ever you "look" at it | 16:27 |
| ujjain | popey: hmm, I think it's related to a Greek person in Hell that puts up bolders up on a rock. | 16:28 |
| JGJones | popey, I know it's wrong. Still, I've done it anyway. | 16:28 |
| BigRedS | ujjain: there's definitely an entry inthe jargon file for that | 16:28 |
| BigRedS | but I don't remember what it is | 16:28 |
| popey | heh | 16:29 |
| BigRedS | useful as ever :) | 16:29 |
| ujjain | but the rock falls down again, before he reaches the top. | 16:29 |
| ujjain | he has to get a rock upon a hill or something. | 16:29 |
| popey | so tedious repetitive work? | 16:30 |
| JGJones | popey, anyway, piracy for MS is much worse in China ;-) | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | sisyphus | 16:30 |
| popey | ahhh | 16:30 |
| popey | bless you | 16:30 |
| popey | etc | 16:30 |
| ujjain | Yes!! Sisyphus! :D | 16:30 |
| daubers | I think you're talking about promethius | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus | 16:31 |
| ujjain | well, my explanations are often horribly wrong, but I meant sisyphus. | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | ujjain: lots of people wouldn't understand this reference, normally you'd just say "busy work" ie work meant only to keep someone busy, and without point to it | 16:32 |
| ujjain | I see, I have to import 150 albums manually in a gallery script. | 16:32 |
| ujjain | I uploaded it, it requires manual addition of each album, it takes 2min for each page to loda, because it generates thumbnails. | 16:33 |
| ujjain | Is that not Sisyphus work? | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | not really | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | it's more like painting the forth bridge | 16:33 |
| ujjain | Ah, but that's not really an international English idiom. | 16:34 |
| ujjain | but it's a pretty cool one. | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | the point about sisyphus is he never had anothing to show from his work, it was the same rock over and over :) | 16:34 |
| ujjain | Yes, it's not really the same. | 16:34 |
| ali1234 | what's really cool is that the sisyphus episode of ulysses 31 (an anime retelling with spaceships and robots) is on youtube, and this is the place where i first heard of the story | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zERnjEQUA | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | first part ^ | 16:37 |
| ujjain | I'll bookmark it and watch it during dinner. | 16:37 |
| daubers | PB's justification effectually falls down to the fact that they invalidate the licence for that copy of windows and sell you a new one | 16:50 |
| daubers | Promethius was the guy who had his liver eaten every day.... must have got my wires crossed :) Sorry! | 16:51 |
| MooDoo | blimey have i been in launchpad since 2006? woah!! | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: you're getting old ;) | 17:12 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: well i know that already :) | 17:12 |
| MooDoo | big 40 next year lol | 17:12 |
| MartijnVdS | awww | 17:12 |
| * oimon has returned to the real world after a 3 day ITIL course :) | 17:12 | |
| MooDoo | oimon: how exciting :) | 17:12 |
| oimon | i need a lobotomy | 17:13 |
| MooDoo | full frontal lobotomy or full bottls in front o me! | 17:13 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: Expert or back-alley job? | 17:13 |
| oimon | has anything exciting in the world happened since monday morning? i haven't taken in any other infromation for the last 72 hours | 17:13 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: it's IPv6 day | 17:13 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: have a celebratory beer/whiskey/drink of choice | 17:14 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: my employer paid for training course | 17:14 |
| oimon | looking forard to glass of port and shortbread | 17:14 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: no the lobotomy.. do you want an expert to do it, or a shady figure in a dark alley | 17:14 |
| oimon | although results take 4 weeks to appear | 17:14 |
| oimon | hopefully spending an hour with my 1 yr old should restore me to huimanity | 17:15 |
| oimon | i also managed to access twitter/facebook only couple of times a day, and not touch irc since friday :) | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | welcome back though | 17:16 |
| oimon | ta | 17:18 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Alan Pope] Finding live music with Songkick - http://popey.com/blog/2011/06/08/finding-live-music-with-songkick/ | 17:29 |
| daubers | \o/ for my ADSL line today | 17:30 |
| daubers | 1.39M/s ETA 18:53 | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: woo 14mbit | 17:30 |
| dutchie | woo, janet | 17:30 |
| dutchie | :P | 17:31 |
| daubers | should finish downloading by the time I get home :p | 17:32 |
| * daubers heads home | 17:34 | |
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| Core_UK | Evening all | 17:50 |
| jacobw | evening Core_UK | 17:54 |
| Core_UK | hey jacobw | 17:55 |
| Core_UK | Can I asked, what does ubuntu-uk do? | 17:56 |
| Azelphur | Core_UK: http://ubuntu-uk.org/ | 17:56 |
| Core_UK | Yeah I read that | 17:56 |
| Core_UK | Advocating | 17:57 |
| Core_UK | and support | 17:57 |
| Core_UK | etc | 17:57 |
| Core_UK | But as members, what does that involve/ | 17:57 |
| davmor2 | Core_UK: How do you mean? As members that is what we do? | 17:58 |
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| Core_UK | As members of the LoCo, what activities do you do? | 18:01 |
| Core_UK | if that makes sense? | 18:01 |
| davmor2 | Core_UK: Right so as a Loco we have geeknics, days together, mostly down South as that is where the bulk of the users are etc etc etc why? | 18:03 |
| Core_UK | Whats a geeknic? | 18:03 |
| Core_UK | Just interested | 18:04 |
| Core_UK | I live in the UK so.. :) | 18:04 |
| davmor2 | Picnic for geeks | 18:04 |
| Core_UK | haha | 18:04 |
| Core_UK | nice | 18:04 |
| Core_UK | a guess wifi makes them possible? :) | 18:04 |
| Core_UK | I* | 18:04 |
| jacobw | I'm not there's much use of WiFi goes on. | 18:05 |
| Core_UK | food and beer? | 18:05 |
| Core_UK | and banter | 18:05 |
| jacobw | I think so :) | 18:05 |
| Core_UK | ^.^ | 18:05 |
| Core_UK | I live in Blackpool though | 18:06 |
| jacobw | I live in Leed | 18:06 |
| jacobw | s | 18:06 |
| Core_UK | not too far away :) | 18:06 |
| jacobw | There's quite a lot of Linux groups in Manchester | 18:07 |
| jacobw | I go to Bradford LUG over here | 18:07 |
| Core_UK | There is a LUG in Blackpool | 18:07 |
| Core_UK | feel a bit silly turning up by myself though | 18:07 |
| jacobw | I felt like that first time I went | 18:09 |
| jacobw | Have they got a mailing list? (I'm certain they will have) | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | Yeah | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | I presume so | 18:09 |
| Core_UK | I will go look now :) | 18:10 |
| jacobw | Send a mail the list saying you'd like to come to a meeting, someone will mail back saying "Welcome aboard, this is how you find us" etc. | 18:10 |
| jacobw | Then you'll know a few names and a few people will know your name | 18:11 |
| Core_UK | What kind of activities take place at LUG meetings? | 18:12 |
| jacobw | Talks and tutorials | 18:14 |
| jacobw | People organising further meetings to do other things etc | 18:14 |
| jacobw | The last one I went to, someone was doing a talk on mapping with QuantumGIS | 18:15 |
| jacobw | A few of the group are in to mapping so they've organised to meet and map an area of Bradford | 18:15 |
| jacobw | Quite a lot of "Where is Linux now?" and "What can we do to spread Linux in our area?" | 18:16 |
| Core_UK | I see | 18:17 |
| Core_UK | How long do the meetings you attend tend to last jacobw ? | 18:17 |
| Azelphur | I live in margate, no Linux down here :( | 18:19 |
| jacobw | 2 hours, although there's coffee and food beforehand as well as a pub visit afterwards for interested parties | 18:19 |
| Core_UK | ^^ | 18:21 |
| Core_UK | Not heard of Margate before :) | 18:21 |
| Core_UK | that's not bad | 18:22 |
| jacobw | It's like the Blackpool of the south isn't it? | 18:22 |
| Core_UK | oo of course | 18:22 |
| Core_UK | I have | 18:22 |
| Core_UK | Just didn't click reading it lol | 18:22 |
| daubers | Evening | 19:02 |
| bigcalm | Feels like midnight | 19:05 |
| bigcalm | Not being able to use skype while in France is really hampering my homeward communications | 19:10 |
| Core_UK | czn you not use gtalk or yahoo etc | 19:13 |
| bigcalm | Family don't use those | 19:13 |
| bigcalm | Skype was working | 19:13 |
| * bigcalm blames something or other | 19:13 | |
| Core_UK | only a few clicks to install it :) | 19:14 |
| Core_UK | think you can do VoIP in gmail also | 19:14 |
| Core_UK | I know I have used webcam in gmail | 19:14 |
| Core_UK | while the wife is in the US | 19:14 |
| Core_UK | Didn't ubuntu software centre used to have reviews? | 19:23 |
| davmor2 | Core_UK: It does now didn't before | 19:25 |
| Core_UK | 11.04 only? | 19:25 |
| davmor2 | yeap | 19:26 |
| davmor2 | Core_UK: why do you ask? | 19:28 |
| * popey wonders if anyone is actually looking at bug 649809 | 19:29 | |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Natty) "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809 | 19:29 |
| popey | and the many duplicates | 19:29 |
| * bigcalm reboots to windows for a giggle | 19:34 | |
| Core_UK | davmor2, Because I remember seeing them but now I dont | 19:36 |
| Core_UK | davmor2, I had to revert to 10.10 though | 19:36 |
| davmor2 | Core_UK: yeap that would do it :) | 19:36 |
| shauno | heh, the "windows 2000" bug .. that hasn't been squished yet? | 19:43 |
| JGJones | jacobw - for those LUG meetings - what usually happen? Wouldn't mind going to one, but I'm crap at lipreading but if being geeks, they bring laptops and setup local chat, then that's great. | 19:49 |
| Core_UK | lol | 19:49 |
| JGJones | bigcalm - it would be a good idea for you to do gtalk video - it's very good...as good as skype and you can use it with Empathy (video/voice included) | 19:50 |
| Core_UK | JGJones, you can do it via gmail also (webmail) just need a plugin but its packaged for ubuntu (by google) | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | empathy gtalk only works with other empathy users | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | if you use the flash web plugin, you can't call empathy users, and they can't call you | 19:52 |
| JGJones | ali1234, ah I didn't realise that...I've used Empathy to talk to Google Talk on Android I think... | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | you can do audio i think | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | just not video | 19:53 |
| JGJones | Android 3.1 that is as that comes with video support for google talk | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | it's down to supported codecs | 19:53 |
| JGJones | I'll have to check again, but I'm sure I did it Empathy to Google Talk? | 19:53 |
| JGJones | Flash intend to support WebM, and it's open...I'm sure that would solve the codecs issues. | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | yes, i suppose it would | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | when they get around to implementing it | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | which, knowing adobe, will take about 3 years | 19:54 |
| JGJones | and then.....it'll be The Year of Linux Desktop! | 19:55 |
| jibadeeha | nice to see chrome now supports GNOME global menu bar | 19:55 |
| dwatkins | hooray | 19:58 |
| dwatkins | I like it when it's the year of the linux desktop. | 19:58 |
| dwatkins | seriously, though, that sounds really good for video in general | 20:01 |
| JGJones | dunno why Google still keep h264 support in chrome though. Majority of browsers in use that can do html5 video all support WebM, while H264 in HTML5 video is in a very very small minority | 20:05 |
| JGJones | The only holdout would be Safari really (IE9 can support WebM via a google codec installer) | 20:06 |
| dwatkins | It all confuses me, as there are so many codecs and it's not a 1-to-1 mapping with file extensions. | 20:08 |
| dwatkins | I know there are codecs and containers, I just don't often have cause to get into the details of it. | 20:08 |
| dwatkins | I should really get more familiar with it as I support a product which uses video conferencing. | 20:11 |
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| === frank_ is now known as Paingiver | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E08 Caught Somewhere in Time - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/06/08/s04e08-caught-somewhere-in-time/ | 22:31 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Burnout Prevention Tutorial Session Tomorrow - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/08/burnout-prevention-tutorial-session-tomorrow/ | 22:31 |
| shauno | that deb-proxy stuff that kashul was playing with for so long .. is any of that setup by default? | 23:01 |
| _luke_skywalker_ | howdy peeps | 23:16 |
| shauno | seems I totalled 3 hosts sending mail via v6 today :/ and going back thru my logs, seems they didn't just start today | 23:48 |
| shauno | gmail and yahoo stuck with v4, despite being some of the bigger names to ipv6day. all a bit meh really | 23:49 |
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