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AlanBellmorning all06:39
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popeymng07:12
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diploMorning all08:45
MooDoohello all08:56
MartijnVdSHappy IPv6 day, AlanBell08:56
MooDooare the meeting notes up for last nights meeting?08:59
MooDoorats i'm thinking of something else sorry :)09:00
* AlanBell sends MooDoo back to his TARDIS09:04
MooDooAlanBell: i was thinking about a board meeting09:05
scoundrel50aHi, well I have had another suggestion from launchpad, ab olut the backlight, but I dont understand how to implement it. Can somebody help?09:07
scoundrel50ait says The backlight can be turned on by using setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=5009:08
scoundrel50ais that something I should enter into the terminal?09:09
MartijnVdSscoundrel50a: you shuold probably be in X, and open a terminal to enter that09:09
MartijnVdSscoundrel50a: or be in X, then ssh to the machine and run it fro mthere09:09
scoundrel50aMartijnVdS: so how would I open X09:10
wintellectMornin all09:10
MartijnVdSscoundrel50a: X = the graphical interface, the bit that's broken?09:10
MooDoomorning wintellect09:10
scoundrel50aok, I know both machines have openssh installed, but how to get into it using ssh I dont know09:11
MooDooscoundrel50a: ssh -l username ipaddress of machine09:14
scoundrel50aMooDoo: thank you, one question, how do I found out the ip addresses of the machines on the network?09:20
MooDooopen up a terminal on that machine and type ifconfig09:20
MartijnVdSscoundrel50a: ask your router, or use the (short) hostname, that should work if you're using plain desktop ubuntu09:20
MooDooor do that :)09:20
MartijnVdS(the hostname you entered when installing the machine)09:20
scoundrel50aok, will give that a go and see if I can get into the other machine09:21
scoundrel50ayay, I think I am in, but that is a test on the machine using maverick. Need to reboot to oneiric. see if that works, if it does, should the upgrade to Natty work also?09:26
MooDooscoundrel50a: try it and see ;)09:26
scoundrel50aalso, all I need to do it run that command, I posted earlier, and it will work, just copy it, yes?09:27
scoundrel50aok, going to log off, as I need to boot up to oneiric, and will open xchat on this machine09:28
scoundrel50abrb09:28
popeydittomorning all09:29
MooDoopopey: morning09:30
kazademorning popey09:30
DJonesMorning all09:33
scoundrel50aI'm back09:33
scoundrel50ado I just copy and paste that command into the terminal now, I am connected to the Netty machine vis ssh09:34
MooDoogive it a try09:34
scoundrel50aok, one sec09:35
scoundrel50adid that, and got an error09:39
popeywhat error?09:39
scoundrel50aCannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.0/config09:39
popeyok, one moment09:39
scoundrel50asorry, having to work on netbook, and its very slow, should I have entered sudo before the command09:40
popeyyou can certainly try that09:40
scoundrel50ajust did and it, and I think it might just have worked, but it turned the pc back on, but it looks like it went to maverick instead. I'll see09:42
popeyit shouldnt matter what kernel09:43
scoundrel50aook, got something I havent seen before when trying to load oneiric, now have a list of about 6 errors showing eror 71 just before in loads and its not turning the backlight on, I think its oneiric, is there anyway I can load Natty the same way I loaded oneiric, just to test, by using the .deb installation? I think I might completely uninstall oneiric and try again09:45
BigRedSscoundrel50a: you can't (reliably) downgrade through apt if that's what you mean09:46
BigRedSit'd be a fresh install09:46
BigRedSall the automation is geared towards upgrading09:46
scoundrel50ano, its an install on oneiric kernel using .deb install09:47
scoundrel50aI can uninstall it, I did that yesterday, I had a command but I cant remember it09:49
popeyhaving that kernel installed isnt an issue09:49
scoundrel50aits te back light, and why now I am getting errors when I wasnt yesterday09:50
kaushalHi09:50
kaushalI have this script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621598/ is there a way to get output as Debain:bash and Redhat : csh and so on and so forth ?09:51
MooDooscoundrel50a: it's alpha so you could get different errors on a daily basis09:51
popeyhang on MooDoo scoundrel50a09:51
* MooDoo stops moving and is now statue like :)09:52
scoundrel50awhich is why I wondered about deleting that kernel and installing the Natty kernelto see if it might work better on that09:52
popeyscoundrel50a: I would recommend you don't install or uninstall anything right now.09:52
scoundrel50ak09:52
popeywhen you boot oneiric kernel, do you get a dark screen?09:52
scoundrel50ayes09:52
scoundrel50abut like yesterday, I can click on the enter button enter my password and it logs me in but no backlight09:53
popeyOk. boot to that kernel, get the dark screen, ssh in, then run that command, if you get an error, tell us the exact error message09:53
scoundrel50aas soon as the log in screen appears and the rum rolke starts the backlight turns off09:53
popeyrum rolke?09:54
BigRedSsounds tasty09:54
popeydrum roll?09:54
scoundrel50ahehe, sorry, my fingers are too big for me to type fasst on the betbook, drum roll right, yes, lol09:54
shaunohm, ipv6 day .. I R disappoint09:54
MartijnVdSshauno: why?09:55
popeyscoundrel50a: can you please run this command:-09:55
shaunoMartijnVdS: the only v6 connections I'm seeing are the same ones I always see09:55
scoundrel50aok,09:55
BigRedSkaushal: for i in {1..5}; do echo "$Unix[$i]:$Shell[$i]; done  ?09:55
popeylspci | pastebinit09:56
popeyscoundrel50a: assuming you have pastebinit installed09:56
shaunogoogle's mailserver still hits me via v4, ditto yahoo, apple, canonical, etc.  liszt.debian is using 6 tho :)09:57
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scoundrel50apopey:just installing pastebinit on other machine via ssh,09:58
scoundrel50apopey: here are the results09:59
scoundrel50ahttp://pastebin.com/nBg8ZXC009:59
popeyscoundrel50a: ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/config10:00
popeydoes that file exist?10:00
scoundrel50aok, will have a look10:01
scoundrel50aI entered what you put there into the command line to look for the file but nothing happened10:02
scoundrel50ajust copied and pasted10:02
popeycan you ...10:02
scoundrel50ashouldnt I put cd before that, istnead of ls?10:03
scoundrel50aI put cd in front of that, and its says no such directory10:04
MooDoopopey: daubers recorded one of your mum buntu talks and put it on blip tv, is it ok to share it with a little blog post?10:04
popeyfind ugh10:05
popeyer10:05
popeyugh10:05
popeyyes10:05
MooDoolol10:05
popeyscoundrel50a: hang on10:05
scoundrel50asorry, me just looking round10:05
popeyscoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit10:05
gordpopey is currently experiencing a technical fault, we apologise for the loss of functionality and have engineers working around the clock to correct this10:06
BigRedShah10:07
kaushalBigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621612/10:08
scoundrel50aok, I cd to psi and and ran pastebinit and got this10:08
scoundrel50ahttp://pastebin.com/hMAYLF9g10:09
popeyscoundrel50a: at no point did I say cd10:09
popey10:05:56 < popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit10:09
scoundrel50ai10:09
kaushalBigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621613/10:09
scoundrel50aI know, I ried that, but got error that I posted just now10:09
scoundrel50asays no such directory10:10
scoundrel50abut there is,10:10
BigRedSkaushal: oh, wait. I've no idea what declare does10:10
popeywait10:10
popeyscoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit10:10
popeyjust run that, exactly like that10:10
scoundrel50aok, will try again10:11
BigRedSoh, and it should be ${array[index]} rather than just $array[$index]10:11
BigRedSI'm sure annoying syntax is an intentional design 'feature' of bash...10:11
MartijnVdSBigRedS: what kind of language is that?10:12
MartijnVdSbash?10:12
MartijnVdS$array[$index] is Perl :)10:12
scoundrel50apopey: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting10:12
scoundrel50apopey: http://pastebin.com/P20K9829 try that10:13
scoundrel50aI left out the find, as I thought that wasnt included, my appologies10:13
popeyscoundrel50a: i just ran that exact command on four separate machines10:13
popeyok10:14
popeydont think. type. ☺10:14
scoundrel50aI'm really sorry,10:14
popeyjust kidding10:14
scoundrel50ano problem, I am frustrated, so I know what you must be freeling10:14
scoundrel50abrb in two secs10:15
BigRedSMartijnVdS: yeah, and bash wants ${array[$index]}10:15
BigRedSor something with yet *more* non-alphanumeric characters :)10:15
MartijnVdSBigRedS: hmm executable line noise :)10:15
livingdaylightare these thinkpads out of date? Would you get a refurbished system?  http://goo.gl/ltW8D10:15
popeylivingdaylight: it's not new10:16
BigRedSMartijnVdS: since I started using eval all over the place I've really noticed that line-noise thing; `if (!$@){ ` *does* look like an expletive10:16
czajkowskihmm10:16
popeyscoundrel50a: is the box currently logged in?10:17
MartijnVdSBigRedS: TryCatch \o/10:17
scoundrel50ayes10:17
scoundrel50aback now10:17
BigRedSMartijnVdS: do things properly?10:18
BigRedSthat's not my way :)10:18
scoundrel50aeven though I cant see anything, I found out that I coud log by clicking on enter and entering my password, and it logged me in, even though I cant see anything10:18
popeyok10:19
popeyso you're looking at a very dark desktop?10:19
scoundrel50ayes10:19
livingdaylightpopey, indeed, I don't know how many years old it is, core2duo suggests around 5 years old? Even if I could live with the spec. how much more will one be able to get more out of it? depends how much heavy or not use it has already reveived i suppose.10:19
popeylivingdaylight: my day to day work machine is a 1.6GHz c2d10:19
popeynot out of choice you understand :D10:19
BigRedSlivingdaylight: they don't get worse with age; it's no less usable than a c2d was when they were new :)10:19
scoundrel50aI can only close the machine down by pressing the on button till it turns off, and for a second, it shows the box with the shutting down options then goes black again10:20
BigRedSthat's an IBM one, too, so certainly within the built-like-a-brick-toilet era10:20
popeyscoundrel50a: i have another command for you...10:21
scoundrel50aok10:21
popeytwo in fact...10:21
scoundrel50aok10:21
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:22
popeyls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit10:22
popeyls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit10:22
scoundrel50ahttp://pastebin.com/2BhtQ1GL10:22
BigRedShi brobostigon! How's things?10:22
livingdaylightBigRedS, that would certainly be true if it was new. As its used though, I do have some question marks as to what's left in the tank. As solid as they are everything has got a life-cycle. But it would do what I need to get done and so why pay +£600 when I can get this beauty for under £200? pros and cons... :s10:23
brobostigonBigRedS: hi, not bad, various pains, but not bad. and you?10:23
scoundrel50ahttp://pastebin.com/ayjdyCW910:23
scoundrel50apopey: both reults posted10:23
popeygot it10:23
popeytwo more...10:23
scoundrel50aok10:23
BigRedSlivingdaylight: it'll probably be fine. I've bought many old & ancient thinkpads off ebay and the worst I've had is dud batteries. In fact, they've all had dud batteries10:24
BigRedSbrobostigon: Ach, I'm not bad. Still got to get over this issue where I don't feel like sleeping at night, but do for most of the morning :/10:24
livingdaylightBigRedS, does that one look good?10:24
scoundrel50ajust found out from launchpad, openSUSE 11.4 is having thre same problems on some computers10:24
BigRedSlivingdaylight: Looks fine to me. Is much newer than I'm used to buying though :)10:25
livingdaylightBigRedS, lol... 60gb hd, ugh...10:25
BigRedSHah, my last one was a P310:25
popeyscoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit10:25
popeyscoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit10:25
BigRedSI think I completely skipped c2 in thinkpads - work bought be a shiny (well, matte) new one in feb, which is actually *new* and i3 or something10:25
kaushalBigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621622/10:25
livingdaylightBigRedS, maybe I shouldn't be taking advice from you then; you love old relics, lol10:26
brobostigonBigRedS: ah, i see. hmmm.10:26
BigRedSlivingdaylight: haha, yeah, that's a reasonable point :)10:26
BigRedSBut they have character!10:26
popeythats no way to talk about his wife!10:26
popeyetc10:26
livingdaylightbut not much style!10:26
BigRedSkaushal: I'm not really sure; all I can suggest is googling something like "bash arrays" and reading what comes up10:27
livingdaylightpopey, I didn't know he was married to his machine :p10:27
scoundrel50apopey: keep getting this back from entering those commands.....You are trying to send an empty document, exiting10:27
scoundrel50aI'll try again, one sec10:27
popeyhmm10:28
popeyscoundrel50a: this would be a lot quicker/easier if you just let me ssh into your machine :D10:28
scoundrel50apopey: now I get this.....ls: cannot access /sys/devices/pci0000:000000:00:02.0: No such file or directory10:28
popeyscoundrel50a: you missed a /10:28
scoundrel50aok, if you watn please do10:28
scoundrel50awhat do you need,10:29
scoundrel50acan I give you information in private mesage10:29
popeyyou'd probably need to open port 22 on your router/firewall and point it to the IP your broken machine has10:29
popeyand then create a user10:29
popeyand let me know the password in pm10:29
scoundrel50anot done that before, but you can go in as me, I trust you, its just opening the port, how do I do that10:30
popeydepends on the router you have10:31
popeyhttp://portforward.com/ can help you there :D10:31
scoundrel50anetgear10:31
popeylook for your model on that page10:31
BigRedSlivingdaylight: it's more of a harem...10:31
scoundrel50aok, give me a sec,and I'll see if I can get it to work10:31
popeyok10:31
popeyno hurry10:32
livingdaylightBigRedS, ^^10:32
scoundrel50aok, I am on sky,and for some reason there is nowhere on the router that shows the model number, been looking and even in the router settings I can find the number, might be a bit longer than a couple of secs, sorry10:43
popeyahh, sky router10:44
popeyno idea how you do it on that10:44
* popey pokes gord 10:44
diploYou can do it on sky10:44
diploadmin and sky is username and pass10:45
diploBy default10:45
scoundrel50ain router settings10:45
diploPort access sucks though10:45
scoundrel50ahow do I port forward10:45
diploJust trying to remember, not re-enabled mine yet but have done in the past10:45
diploIt's maybe under advanced ?10:45
diploSee if I can find you a tutorial a sec10:46
gordnot used a sky router for years and years sorry10:46
gorddidn't use one when i was with sky10:46
scoundrel50asky make things really difficult10:46
diploDepends if you have the DG834 Netgear one or the other brand that I have that name has totally left me for a second10:47
diploAll tuts are for DG834 atm10:48
diploSmall black router ?10:48
scoundrel50ablack router, yes10:48
scoundrel50abut there is no model number anywhere10:48
diploYep, SAGEM I think, same as mine10:48
diploTwo secs, getting you a link10:49
scoundrel50athis is definatgely netgear, but wouldnt the router settings be the same, I had a sagem for a week and I thing they seemed the same10:49
diplooh right, use a black netgear now then10:49
diplo:P10:49
diploOk, so it's under firewall settings10:49
diplohttp://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9998/clipboard07xg8.gif10:50
scoundrel50aum, will take a look10:51
diploOr could just use TeamViewer ?10:52
popeyno, i want to use ssh10:53
diplo:)10:54
scoundrel50athat doesnt give an option for ports, just LAN settings, could it be the option that has start port, finish port options?10:55
diploOr if you get stuck scoundrel50a, you could enable Remote Management and get some one else to change, then change pass after10:55
scoundrel50adiplo: that sounds easier,10:55
scoundrel50aI am in the RM settings now, what do I need to do?10:56
diploSeems your settings are different than the tutorial, so will have to say what it says ?10:57
diploNormally enable, and some times allows you to lock down what IP it comes from10:57
diploAnd whether you have http/ssh access10:58
diploto the router10:58
diploAll depends on router10:58
scoundrel50aI entered the IP of the computer that needs accessing, I can change the port to 20, as it has that option, would that be right then?10:59
diploRM is normally to access the router, so that would be the port you want people to connect to your router on11:00
diploSo someones IP from here, and port 80 ?11:00
scoundrel50awhy is it so complicated........makes me want to bang my head against the wall11:00
popeysecurity is complicated :D11:02
popeythe port should be 2211:02
popeythats the ssh port11:02
diploThis was for remote management of router popey11:02
diploSo could set up portforwarding for him11:02
popeyoh sorry11:02
diploNo stickers @ all on the bottom of the router scoundrel50a ?11:03
scoundrel50ajust sticker giving serial no and mac address11:05
scoundrel50aeven looking at box and no details on there either, sky makes it really difficult11:05
diploheh, mac address can get manaf but that's it I suppose11:06
diploDid you have a link to Firewall rules ?11:06
scoundrel50ano11:07
popeyone day someone will make an easy remote ssh connection thing with zero effort11:07
davmor2morning all11:08
MooDoodavmor2: morning slur ;) er i mean sir....now i think i was right the first time11:09
diploSounds good popey11:09
diplo:D11:09
diploI doubt it though11:09
davmor2Mez: POKE!!!!!!!!11:09
diploscoundrel50a, want me to poke around on the router, could jump on using teamviewer and fix router and enable ssh for popey  ?11:09
scoundrel50acould you, that would help11:10
diplohttp://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx11:10
diploPM me id/pass11:10
scoundrel50aok, give me a sec11:11
scoundrel50ait says its a .exe, how will that work, via wine, yes?11:12
popeythere is a linux version too11:12
diplohttp://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb11:12
popey(which is actually a windows app bundled with wine libraries)11:13
diplo32 bit ^^11:13
scoundrel50aok11:13
scoundrel50ayes this is a 32 bit machine I am typing on, and which is accessing the router11:13
davmor2MooDoo: Morning you old bald hippy ;)11:16
MooDoodavmor2: how very dare you.....hippy?? ;)11:17
davmor2haha MooDoo flower power to you man ;)11:17
MooDoodavmor2: cheeky ******************* :)11:18
davmor2MooDoo: Does that mean SuperStar?11:19
MooDoodavmor2: seeing as it's you then yes....woooaoooah your my heroooooo la la la :)11:19
MooDooooooo more jobs on canonicals careers page11:21
scoundrel50aok, problem with intalling this, when I click on it, it says cannot open package called file. Why does Softwware Ware centre open now. I am using Netty11:21
diploNot tried it on Natty I'm afraid11:22
diplorunning Mav here11:22
MooDoocustomer support specialist....hmm interesting11:22
scoundrel50awont work on Natty, even using .exe via wine11:23
scoundrel50aoff to bang head against wall11:23
popeyhttps://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=125 looks interesting11:23
MooDoopopey: i don't have the developer skills for that, but seeing as i've been in customer services for lots of years :D11:24
scoundrel50awhat I will do is, log out of other machine, into Maverick, and you can do it from there, just thought about that now11:24
MooDoodavmor2: waaasaaaaaap11:28
davmor2MooDoo: Wot no job?11:29
BigRedSmy panel's stopped updating (specifically the empathy icon)11:29
scoundrel50aok, connected to network, transfered teamweaver to other machine and now installing it11:30
BigRedSin the olden days I'd do `killall gnome-panel` to fix it; what's the unity version?11:30
BigRedSoh11:30
BigRedSunity-panel-service11:30
scoundrel50awont install because its 32 bit package, my laptop is 64bit, grrrrr11:31
diploscoundrel50a, http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux_x64.deb11:34
MooDoodavmor2: i've got a job, i've just seen that one at canonical that sounds interesting11:39
davmor2MooDoo: is it at home or in one of the offices though?11:39
MooDoohome11:40
scoundrel50asorry, was on other machine trying to look for this and didnt see you, thank you11:41
MooDoodavmor2: it's a home based one11:41
davmor2MooDoo: Oh I though most of the tech support was office based :)11:42
davmor2MooDoo: you going for it?11:42
MooDoodavmor2: it's not specifically tech support it's more like customer support11:43
MooDoodavmor2: i'm interested so far11:43
MooDoodavmor2: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=22811:43
davmor2MooDoo: So are you going for it?11:43
MooDoodavmor2: yeah probably lol11:43
scoundrel50adiplo: finally installing it on other machine11:46
diplo:)11:47
scoundrel50aok, its opened up, what do I for you to connect?11:49
scoundrel50acan I open private message, to give you id11:50
diployup shoot11:50
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scoundrel50adiplo and popey: got the port forwarded, that was hard work12:27
scoundrel50apopey: are you still available to connect to my machine12:28
scoundrel50aanybody around?12:32
MooDooscoundrel50a: probably lots of it, it's just lunch time :D12:39
MooDoos/it/us12:39
scoundrel50a_juat bwondered, was hoping I hadnt broken anything messing with the router settings12:40
MooDooooops may of now lol12:42
scoundrel50asorry, using netbook, and way too small for fingers12:43
popeyscoundrel50a: just having lunch, back in a bit12:54
scoundrel50aok, no problem, the connection works so you can get into the machine12:55
diplohttp://pastebin.com/A0NW9PjX  <-- Popey12:58
diploWill let you take over as I don't know what you are looking for12:58
MooDooMichealH: i see your up for membership :D13:07
scoundrel50ahave to reboot13:38
scoundrel50ahad some updates, and needed to reboot13:42
MooDooscoundrel50a: needed to reboot?13:44
scoundrel50ahad a load of updates, and the update manager after the updates finished, said need reboot in order for updates to finish.13:46
MooDoogroovy :)13:46
JGJonesthere was kernel updates recently hence the need for update.13:56
MooDooJGJones: that explains that then :D13:59
JGJonesI mean reboot(!)13:59
scoundrel50ais there a way I can either hide a directory, or make it so that I have to log in to view it14:06
scoundrel50aor both14:07
BigRedSer14:10
BigRedShow're you accessing the machine?14:10
BigRedSover the web? ftp? console?14:10
scoundrel50athis is my laptop, just wanted to know if it could be hidden. I am14:13
scoundrel50aI very rarely access it from anywhere else, now I have openssh, Imight try, but most of the time its accessed from the computer itself14:14
scoundrel50acan you access the machine via ftp? that is interesting14:17
ikoniahardware gurus, does matx boards fit/line up in an atx case, or does it have to be an matx case14:17
BigRedSscoundrel50a: well, you can install an FTP server. The access bit depends upon where you're accessing it from14:17
daubersAfternoons14:17
BigRedSand the network in-between. Firewalls do not like FTP14:18
daubersalso, FTP sucks14:18
BigRedSand scp (whish is essentially ssh) is almost always a better option anyway14:18
daubersQuestion...... I see lots of these "Windows user tries to use Linux" stories around, but how many "Linux user tries to use Windows" stories have people seen around?14:19
BigRedSI've been one14:19
BigRedSit's _hard_14:19
MartijnVdSI've tried14:20
BigRedSI kept meaning to write about it, but I didn't particularly enjoy reliving it14:20
MooDoodaubers: speak to popey :)  he's using windows 7 at the moment14:20
MartijnVdSCan't use it for anything other than games :)14:20
MartijnVdSand configuring my Logitech Harmony14:20
daubersI was considering trying it for a month and seeing how far I get14:20
MooDooi quite like windows to be honest14:20
BakedBeanWindows is not yet ready for the average desktop user.  It's too easy to make mistakes, get spyware/malware, etc14:21
BigRedSI'm finding Windows 7 a lot less offensive than I found XP/200314:21
daubersMartijnVdS: I think I'll hit a big barrier of "I want to through together a quick program to do this but don't want to shell out £xxx for Visual Studio" quite quickly14:21
MartijnVdSdaubers: eclipse works14:21
MartijnVdSdaubers: putty to a Linux machine works14:21
MooDooBakedBean: the os is ready, it's the users that need educating14:21
daubersMartijnVdS: With windows native forms and things?14:21
MartijnVdSdaubers: I have Strawberry Perl and Python installed on my W7 machine14:21
BigRedSIf windows had repos those wouldn't be anywhere near the issues they are now14:21
MooDooBakedBean: although the next time my mum or sister get a virus on their machine i'm moving them to ubuntu :)14:22
diploBigRedS, coming to a windows machine near you soon14:22
daubersMight declare cygwin as cheating too14:22
BigRedSdiplo: they keep saying that14:22
JGJonesfor a "Linux to Windows story to work - you need someone that never have used Windows but use Linux.14:23
diploBeen written now14:23
BigRedSI've seen many projects pop up, they always trip up on licensing14:23
diploA MS guy started it as a project in his own time, now doing it full time I believe14:23
diploFor MS14:23
MooDooJGJones: in this day and age you'll fine that hard unless it your grandparents etc14:23
BigRedSJGJones: My intro to WinXP was my windows admin job that I did for three years until about a year ago14:23
BigRedSthat seemed remote enough from old windows for me14:23
diploMy ex-father in law was using Crunchbang & WinXP, got on fine14:24
JGJonesMy daughter would qualify...she used Windows for the first time in school recently. Said it was rubbish.14:24
daubersheh :)14:24
MooDooJGJones: linux user at home?14:24
JGJonesshe use Ubuntu and OSX14:24
MooDoosilly question really lol14:24
Catbuskriswhy linux not more popular?14:25
JGJonesshe prefer OSX slightly over Ubuntu, but I haven't introduced her to Unity yet ;-) She have her dock on the left.14:25
JGJonesCatbuskris, buy a computer.14:25
BigRedSCatbuskris: because for the average user there's no compelling reason to switch to it14:25
JGJonesthey come with Windows.14:25
MooDooJGJones: my son loves tuxpaint14:25
Catbuskrismy GF paid £50 for antivirus software, before i could stop her14:25
BigRedSwindows is basically free, does what whoever wants and has support *everywhere*. why would anyone bother looking elsewhere?14:25
BigRedS(free as in free beer, obv.)14:26
MooDooBigRedS: +114:26
MooDoowith my parents it's well it works why do i need to change.14:26
Catbuskrisit's not basically free, it's basically just unavoidable to pay for14:26
JGJonesyup - you go to buy a computer....average joe will just buy a computer...they don't even get that Windows is a operating system. It's just "part of computer".14:26
BigRedSCatbuskris: Er, if you like. Same difference at the end of the day14:27
MooDooyou're never going to get people to change unless they are seriously sick of windows14:27
MooDooor want something differnt14:27
scoundrel50aOh I liked xp, if it wass one OS that I would like to still use it would be that, for windows anyway, I like '98 even better. I wont bother with ftp, I think I have enough ways of accessing my computer, if I need to. One thing though, is there a way to hide/set up a password for a directory?14:27
Catbuskrisi guess the govt doesn't give a toss about it?  i mean, i did "ICT" in school but all we did was screw around with MS excel, never really learned anything about computers14:27
BigRedSscoundrel50a: you'd need to encrypt it14:27
hamitronwe could get loads of crapware for a linux distro and pay people to use it? ;)14:28
Catbuskrisit makes me buy into the paranoia that governments want their populace to be stupid...14:28
scoundrel50ahow would I do that?14:28
BigRedSCatbuskris: no, governments are slow14:28
daubersscoundrel50a: You can "hide" a folder by putting a . at the beggining of the name.... but that's not secure at all really14:28
JGJonesCatbuskris, it's not easy buying a computer without Windows - there's not much places you can get a PC with a linux OS on it.14:28
MooDooCatbuskris: i think the gvmt does care about it, but i bet MS is saying "here's a million quid for your schools to use MS products" :)14:28
Catbuskrisheh yeah14:28
Catbuskrisall good points14:28
JGJonesYeah that's how Apple started out - it was used a lot in schools.14:29
BigRedSCatbuskris: the government don't see much need to pour the money in to changing it. Where are all these competent IT teachers going to come from? there's already a shortage of IT workers14:29
JGJonesUntil Microsoft threw money around.14:29
JGJonesBigRedS, shortage?14:29
scoundrel50aI should have ticked on the option to encrypt when i installed, it givesthat option and I always say no. :(14:29
* JGJones ponders...why am I STILl looking for a job then? Must be doing something wrong there.14:29
BigRedSJGJones: Well, I keep hearing people moan about getting hold of good admins14:29
scoundrel50abrb14:30
Catbuskrisif we're short on something, shouldn't we put more emphasis on it in education?  i guess that's a much mroe general question though14:30
Catbuskrisbut i suppose the status quo has a lot of intertia in this case14:30
BigRedSCatbuskris: only if you perceive school as employment prep. University is, traditionally, where you train teachers14:30
MooDooBring back Y T S :)14:30
Catbuskriswell school is a whole society prep.14:30
daubersJGJones: What kind of job are you after?14:30
MooDoolol14:30
JGJonesdaubers, at this point - flexible - sysadmin for example.14:31
daubersJGJones: Ah, ok.14:32
BigRedSJGJones: whereaboutS?14:32
JGJonesLeeds14:32
BigRedSah, all I've seen is London, and a quick scroll through my mail client doesn't find much14:33
MooDooJGJones: ever thought of going contracting?14:33
JGJonesMoodoo - yeah...just started looking at that...14:34
JGJoneshowever I was informed a lot of these rely on quick access via telephone?14:34
JGJonesie ring up and ask "you available for this"14:34
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BigRedSI've known people earn a fair bit through that. Pays well but is quite ephermal14:35
BigRedS"I need you for four days starting in forty-five minutes. Have several £K"14:36
MooDooyeah and then nothing for 2 months14:36
JGJonesthat can be difficult for me - people can't really ring me.14:36
JGJonesYou can text me, IM me, email me, tweet to me etc etc, but my experience tells me too often, if they can't ring me for a voice call, they'll just move on to someone else.14:37
MooDooJGJones: how come they can't ring?  not allowed at work?14:37
JGJonesnah, more that I'm deaf :)14:38
MooDooJGJones: ah!14:38
JGJonesCan be a pain in the arse - I go out of my way to be as contactable as possible but like I say...can't speak on phone? Bye!14:39
MooDooyeah that must suck :(14:39
MooDooJGJones: so what about setting up yourself...consultancy?14:40
JGJonesThat's what I'm doing now actually :) going to bank this week for business advice.14:40
MooDoogroovy :)14:40
JGJonesfound this - moneypenny.co.uk which might work for me regarding telephone answering.14:41
MooDooJGJones: speak to AlanBell about consultancy he does it :)14:41
JGJonesta I will do that...would be useful to get advice.14:41
MooDooJGJones: he does this - http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/14:42
* daubers backs up his home folder14:43
JGJonesdaubers, what do you use for doing that? Or just rsync?14:43
daubersJGJones: Just rsync as it's to a USB disk14:43
daubersUSB disk is bigger than my laptop disk :)14:44
* daubers loves rsync14:44
MooDoodaubers: how big is the disk? *shocked*14:44
MooDoosorry read that wrong14:44
MooDoolol14:44
MooDooi read disk as pendrive ;) lol14:44
daubersMooDoo: 1TB USB disk14:44
daubershah :)14:45
MooDoodaubers: sorry being a bit dumb14:45
daubersIf I was worried about capacity I'd back it up to the office RAID which has got a few 10's of TB free14:45
daubersMight need to raid my parents roof for some of my old books I think14:51
MooDoohmmm think i need to upgrade my switch to gigabit14:52
PeteBAnyone know how to delete all instances of files beginning with '.~lock'? I thought I'd use 'rm -ri .~lock*' but this doesn't work15:00
daubersMooDoo: Best future proof yourself, get one of these http://stordis.com/catalogue/product/s=fujitsu-xg260015:00
MartijnVdSdaubers: ...15:01
MartijnVdSdaubers: there's no kill like overkill15:01
MooDoodaubers: bit of overkill for my home network lol15:01
daubersMartijnVdS: I have 2 in the office at the moment......15:01
MartijnVdSdaubers: didn't you work with robots?15:01
daubersMartijnVdS: No, that sounds more fun though15:02
MartijnVdSdaubers: they'd need 10GigE15:02
daubersMartijnVdS: I build storage servers for video editing :) When working with uncompressed stuff, you need 10GigE15:02
MooDooi think i'll just get a gigabit 8port netgear thanks all the same15:02
MartijnVdSdaubers: Well.. maybe. :)15:02
daubersHmm... rather than mucking around with project management software I made myself a spreadsheet.... I can see why people spend ages writing software for this now15:03
ali1234popey: fun fact. what people refer to as "HDR" photography is in fact dynamic range compression (the thing that makes pop music sound so obnoxious) applied to imaging15:11
MooDooali1234: under exposed, over exposed and normal all rolled into one :D15:12
ali1234yes, and then compressed into the colour space of the medium15:13
MooDooyaya for photohgraphy :)15:13
ali1234the end result is to make the contrast between objects in dark areas equal to the contrast between objects in light areas15:13
ali1234which is the same as what they do with music: make the contrast in quiet parts equal to the contrast in loud parts15:14
popeyali1234: you saw that nasa video i tweeted?15:14
ali1234yeah15:14
popeyyeah, i wondered who would pick up on that :D15:14
popeyyou win!15:14
scoundrel50ahi popey: would you be able to take a look at my laptop today, could leave it for another time, if so, I need to change router settings. Its not a problem if you want to leave it.15:15
popeyi can ssh in now15:16
popeypm me the details15:16
scoundrel50aok15:16
andylockran /win 615:21
MooDoocooor i think the ubuntu-uk members page needs a bit of love - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members  lots of missing images :)15:23
popeywell volunteered MooDoo !15:24
popey"It *is* a wiki!"15:24
popeyetc15:24
MooDoolol ok :)15:24
MooDoopopey: do you know if there is a generic avatar image somewhere on the server i can put in place of the missing images on the members page?15:29
Laneycrufty old wiki pages! yay!15:30
Laneyreplace it with a link to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+mugshots :-)15:31
MooDooLaney: in fact i'll just use that avatar, it will be ok to link to it won't it? - https://launchpad.net/@@/person-mugshot15:32
LaneyI wouldn't bother, but if you insist then it's better to copy it15:32
MooDoothe page on the wiki is in the style of the site which is why i don't want to linkg to the mugshots page :D15:33
ali1234i see "keep in launcher" is getting closer to working15:35
ali1234before it didn't work at all. now the icon stays, but when i click on it nothing happens15:36
ali1234it's progress i suppose15:36
ali1234if i rerun the program from the shell i get a second copy of the icon15:37
ali1234oh nice, now unity has gone invisible15:40
MooDooali1234: you need a level 23 cloak of unity viewing...15:41
ali1234it's ok. compiz crashed immediately afterwards15:42
MooDooali1234: get past my level 23 mage and i'll pass you one over ;)15:42
ali1234then it became visible again15:42
* MooDoo is defeated15:42
ali1234lol the crashdump is 500mb15:42
ali1234i might send it to launchpad just to be an ass15:42
MooDooali1234: you ass ;)15:43
ali1234looks like there's already about 10 bugs for this15:44
ali1234compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_lock_full()15:45
ali1234ah, it happens every time you do "unity --replace"15:45
andylockranwow15:52
andylockranjust found a machine that allows ssh logins with the incorrect password15:52
andylockranyou just need to guess the correct username15:52
Lcawtelol'?15:57
popeyyou sure it's sshd running on the box?15:59
popeyand not a bot sat harvesting passwords :D15:59
BigRedSman. Virtualmin *loves* restarting apache16:00
shaunoandylockran: it's not kippo is it ?16:02
MooDoodid AlanBell just get voted in as POC seeing as there was no more entries on the election page?16:15
popeyno16:16
popeyhe got voted because he was the best person for the job :D16:16
MooDoolol ok  :)16:16
davmor2popey: No you said it wrong, He's the only man for the job :D16:17
MooDoodavmor2: czajkowski for president?16:17
MooDoodavmor2: in fact where is she hiding....?16:17
davmor2MooDoo: that's just scary16:17
davmor2MooDoo: you'd spot us at meetings that you see that lot over there with the black eyes that'll be the Ubuntu-UK posse16:19
MooDoodavmor2: black eyes?  due to the kickings from czajkowski16:19
MooDoo?16:19
davmor2MooDoo: well if she is president who'd be there to stop her :D16:20
daubers£51.16 for a set of recovery cds!!!!16:20
MooDoodavmor2: power to the people, the popular peoples front of Tooting :)16:20
popeydavmor2: for what?16:20
popeyer daubers16:20
dauberspopey: My PB laptop16:20
popeyPB?16:20
MooDoopackard hell16:21
davmor2packard bell16:21
MooDooer bell :)16:21
daubersalmost cheaper to buy windows through work16:21
popeyoh dear16:21
popeyalmost cheaper to buy a mac :D16:21
MooDoodaubers: it's been pricey like that for 10+ years16:21
JGJonesdaubers - hmm Sony wanted £35 for their recovery disk16:23
JGJonesso I got it slightly easier.16:23
JGJonesDidn't buy it though. I just got an OEM ISO by magic and just used the serial that came with the laptop along with drivers off the support page.16:24
ujjainWhat's the English term for "monk work", extremely much work that is not useful?16:25
daubersJGJones: How do you do that?16:25
JGJonesdaubers, get the ISO?16:25
daubersJGJones: from where?16:25
JGJonesThe Power of Google16:26
JGJones(it's a torrent)16:26
popeyujjain: never heard the phrase monk work16:26
daubersJGJones: I'm trying to be good :(16:26
davmor2daubers: see my pm16:26
MooDoodonkey work?16:26
popeyujjain: and googling "monk work" doesn't show up any reliable hits16:26
JGJonesdaubers, I know. I just looked for a uncracked OEM16:26
JGJonesdaubers, the way I see it, the ISO I have, I'm not breaking any licences - I already have a OEM serial number that was on the laptop so I'm just using this same serial number.16:27
popeyYou see it wrong.16:27
daubersand MS wonder why piracy is a problem16:27
popeyTorrenting the ISO is _not_ legal how ever you "look" at it16:27
ujjainpopey: hmm, I think it's related to a Greek person in Hell that puts up bolders up on a rock.16:28
JGJonespopey, I know it's wrong. Still, I've done it anyway.16:28
BigRedSujjain: there's definitely an entry inthe jargon file for that16:28
BigRedSbut I don't remember what it is16:28
popeyheh16:29
BigRedSuseful as ever :)16:29
ujjainbut the rock falls down again, before he reaches the top.16:29
ujjainhe has to get a rock upon a hill or something.16:29
popeyso tedious repetitive work?16:30
JGJonespopey, anyway, piracy for MS is much worse in China ;-)16:30
ali1234sisyphus16:30
popeyahhh16:30
popeybless you16:30
popeyetc16:30
ujjainYes!! Sisyphus! :D16:30
daubersI think you're talking about promethius16:31
ali1234no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus16:31
ujjainwell, my explanations are often horribly wrong, but I meant sisyphus.16:31
ali1234ujjain: lots of people wouldn't understand this reference, normally you'd just say "busy work" ie work meant only to keep someone busy, and without point to it16:32
ujjainI see, I have to import 150 albums manually in a gallery script.16:32
ujjainI uploaded it, it requires manual addition of each album, it takes 2min for each page to loda, because it generates thumbnails.16:33
ujjainIs that not Sisyphus work?16:33
ali1234not really16:33
ali1234it's more like painting the forth bridge16:33
ujjainAh, but that's not really an international English idiom.16:34
ujjainbut it's a pretty cool one.16:34
ali1234the point about sisyphus is he never had anothing to show from his work, it was the same rock over and over :)16:34
ujjainYes, it's not really the same.16:34
ali1234what's really cool is that the sisyphus episode of ulysses 31 (an anime retelling with spaceships and robots) is on youtube, and this is the place where i first heard of the story16:36
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zERnjEQUA16:37
ali1234first part ^16:37
ujjainI'll bookmark it and watch it during dinner.16:37
daubersPB's justification effectually falls down to the fact that they invalidate the licence for that copy of windows and sell you a new one16:50
daubersPromethius was the guy who had his liver eaten every day.... must have got my wires crossed :) Sorry!16:51
MooDooblimey have i been in launchpad since 2006?  woah!!17:11
MartijnVdSMooDoo: you're getting old ;)17:12
MooDooMartijnVdS: well i know that already :)17:12
MooDoobig 40 next year lol17:12
MartijnVdSawww17:12
* oimon has returned to the real world after a 3 day ITIL course :)17:12
MooDoooimon: how exciting :)17:12
oimoni need a lobotomy17:13
MooDoofull frontal lobotomy or full bottls in front o me!17:13
MartijnVdSoimon: Expert or back-alley job?17:13
oimonhas anything exciting in the world happened since monday morning? i haven't taken in any other infromation for the last 72 hours17:13
MartijnVdSoimon: it's IPv6 day17:13
MartijnVdSoimon: have a celebratory beer/whiskey/drink of choice17:14
oimonMartijnVdS: my employer paid for training course17:14
oimonlooking forard to glass of port and shortbread17:14
MartijnVdSoimon: no the lobotomy.. do you want an expert to do it, or a shady figure in a dark alley17:14
oimonalthough results take 4 weeks to appear17:14
oimonhopefully spending an hour with my 1 yr old should restore me to huimanity17:15
oimoni also managed to access twitter/facebook only couple of times a day, and not touch irc since friday :)17:15
MartijnVdSwelcome back though17:16
oimonta17:18
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Pope] Finding live music with Songkick - http://popey.com/blog/2011/06/08/finding-live-music-with-songkick/17:29
daubers\o/ for my ADSL line today17:30
daubers1.39M/s    ETA 18:5317:30
MartijnVdSdaubers: woo 14mbit17:30
dutchiewoo, janet17:30
dutchie:P17:31
daubersshould finish downloading by the time I get home :p17:32
* daubers heads home17:34
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Core_UKEvening all17:50
jacobwevening Core_UK17:54
Core_UKhey jacobw17:55
Core_UKCan I asked, what does ubuntu-uk do?17:56
AzelphurCore_UK: http://ubuntu-uk.org/17:56
Core_UKYeah I read that17:56
Core_UKAdvocating17:57
Core_UKand support17:57
Core_UKetc17:57
Core_UKBut as members, what does that involve/17:57
davmor2Core_UK: How do you mean?  As members that is what we do?17:58
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Core_UKAs members of the LoCo, what activities do you do?18:01
Core_UKif that makes sense?18:01
davmor2Core_UK: Right so as a Loco we have geeknics, days together, mostly down South as that is where the bulk of the users are etc etc etc why?18:03
Core_UKWhats a geeknic?18:03
Core_UKJust interested18:04
Core_UKI live in the UK so.. :)18:04
davmor2Picnic for geeks18:04
Core_UKhaha18:04
Core_UKnice18:04
Core_UKa guess wifi makes them possible? :)18:04
Core_UKI*18:04
jacobwI'm not there's much use of WiFi goes on.18:05
Core_UKfood and beer?18:05
Core_UKand banter18:05
jacobwI think so :)18:05
Core_UK^.^18:05
Core_UKI live in Blackpool though18:06
jacobwI live in Leed18:06
jacobws18:06
Core_UKnot too far away :)18:06
jacobwThere's quite a lot of Linux groups in Manchester18:07
jacobwI go to Bradford LUG over here18:07
Core_UKThere is a LUG in Blackpool18:07
Core_UKfeel a bit silly turning up by myself though18:07
jacobwI felt like that first time I went18:09
jacobwHave they got a mailing list? (I'm certain they will have)18:09
Core_UKYeah18:09
Core_UKI presume so18:09
Core_UKI will go look now :)18:10
jacobwSend a mail the list saying you'd like to come to a meeting, someone will mail back saying "Welcome aboard, this is how you find us" etc.18:10
jacobwThen you'll know a few names and a few people will know your name18:11
Core_UKWhat kind of activities take place at LUG meetings?18:12
jacobwTalks and tutorials18:14
jacobwPeople organising further meetings to do other things etc18:14
jacobwThe last one I went to, someone was doing a talk on mapping with QuantumGIS18:15
jacobwA few of the group are in to mapping so they've organised to meet and map an area of Bradford18:15
jacobwQuite a lot of "Where is Linux now?" and "What can we do to spread Linux in our area?"18:16
Core_UKI see18:17
Core_UKHow long do the meetings you attend tend to last jacobw ?18:17
AzelphurI live in margate, no Linux down here :(18:19
jacobw2 hours, although there's coffee and food beforehand as well as a pub visit afterwards for interested parties18:19
Core_UK^^18:21
Core_UKNot heard of Margate before :)18:21
Core_UKthat's not bad18:22
jacobwIt's like the Blackpool of the south isn't it?18:22
Core_UKoo of course18:22
Core_UKI have18:22
Core_UKJust didn't click reading it lol18:22
daubersEvening19:02
bigcalmFeels like midnight19:05
bigcalmNot being able to use skype while in France is really hampering my homeward communications19:10
Core_UKczn you not use gtalk or yahoo etc19:13
bigcalmFamily don't use those19:13
bigcalmSkype was working19:13
* bigcalm blames something or other19:13
Core_UKonly a few clicks to install it :)19:14
Core_UKthink you can do VoIP in gmail also19:14
Core_UKI know I have used webcam in gmail19:14
Core_UKwhile the wife is in the US19:14
Core_UKDidn't ubuntu software centre used to have reviews?19:23
davmor2Core_UK: It does now didn't before19:25
Core_UK11.04 only?19:25
davmor2yeap19:26
davmor2Core_UK: why do you ask?19:28
* popey wonders if anyone is actually looking at bug 64980919:29
lubotu3Launchpad bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Natty) "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64980919:29
popeyand the many duplicates19:29
* bigcalm reboots to windows for a giggle19:34
Core_UKdavmor2, Because I remember seeing them but now I dont19:36
Core_UKdavmor2, I had to revert to 10.10 though19:36
davmor2Core_UK: yeap that would do it :)19:36
shaunoheh, the "windows 2000" bug .. that hasn't been squished yet?19:43
JGJonesjacobw - for those LUG meetings - what usually happen? Wouldn't mind going to one, but I'm crap at lipreading but if being geeks, they bring laptops and setup local chat, then that's great.19:49
Core_UKlol19:49
JGJonesbigcalm - it would be a good idea for you to do gtalk video - it's very good...as good as skype and you can use it with Empathy (video/voice included)19:50
Core_UKJGJones, you can do it via gmail also (webmail) just need a plugin but its packaged for ubuntu (by google)19:51
ali1234empathy gtalk only works with other empathy users19:51
ali1234if you use the flash web plugin, you can't call empathy users, and they can't call you19:52
JGJonesali1234, ah I didn't realise that...I've used Empathy to talk to Google Talk on Android I think...19:52
ali1234you can do audio i think19:53
ali1234just not video19:53
JGJonesAndroid 3.1 that is as that comes with video support for google talk19:53
ali1234it's down to supported codecs19:53
JGJonesI'll have to check again, but I'm sure I did it Empathy to Google Talk?19:53
JGJonesFlash intend to support WebM, and it's open...I'm sure that would solve the codecs issues.19:54
ali1234yes, i suppose it would19:54
ali1234when they get around to implementing it19:54
ali1234which, knowing adobe, will take about 3 years19:54
JGJonesand then.....it'll be The Year of Linux Desktop!19:55
jibadeehanice to see chrome now supports GNOME global menu bar19:55
dwatkinshooray19:58
dwatkinsI like it when it's the year of the linux desktop.19:58
dwatkinsseriously, though, that sounds really good for video in general20:01
JGJonesdunno why Google still keep h264 support in chrome though. Majority of browsers in use that can do html5 video all support WebM, while H264 in HTML5 video is in a very very small minority20:05
JGJonesThe only holdout would be Safari really (IE9 can support WebM via a google codec installer)20:06
dwatkinsIt all confuses me, as there are so many codecs and it's not a 1-to-1 mapping with file extensions.20:08
dwatkinsI know there are codecs and containers, I just don't often have cause to get into the details of it.20:08
dwatkinsI should really get more familiar with it as I support a product which uses video conferencing.20:11
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ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E08  Caught Somewhere in Time - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/06/08/s04e08-caught-somewhere-in-time/22:31
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Burnout Prevention Tutorial Session Tomorrow - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/08/burnout-prevention-tutorial-session-tomorrow/22:31
shaunothat deb-proxy stuff that kashul was playing with for so long .. is any of that setup by default?23:01
_luke_skywalker_howdy peeps23:16
shaunoseems I totalled 3 hosts sending mail via v6 today :/  and going back thru my logs, seems they didn't just start today23:48
shaunogmail and yahoo stuck with v4, despite being some of the bigger names to ipv6day.  all a bit meh really23:49

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