[01:19] *sigh* === gord is now known as Guest99970 === Myrtti is now known as Guest5360 [06:39] morning all [07:00] hiya [07:12] mng [07:14] * AlanBell hugs vowels [07:15] vrrtd [07:23] * dwatkins grns [07:47] happpy IPV6 day everyone === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 9th June 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Libraries, SciFi and Geeknicks 24th July! Happy IPV6 Day === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [08:45] Morning all [08:56] hello all [08:56] Happy IPv6 day, AlanBell [08:59] are the meeting notes up for last nights meeting? [09:00] rats i'm thinking of something else sorry :) [09:04] * AlanBell sends MooDoo back to his TARDIS [09:05] AlanBell: i was thinking about a board meeting [09:07] Hi, well I have had another suggestion from launchpad, ab olut the backlight, but I dont understand how to implement it. Can somebody help? [09:08] it says The backlight can be turned on by using setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=50 [09:09] is that something I should enter into the terminal? [09:09] scoundrel50a: you shuold probably be in X, and open a terminal to enter that [09:09] scoundrel50a: or be in X, then ssh to the machine and run it fro mthere [09:10] MartijnVdS: so how would I open X [09:10] Mornin all [09:10] scoundrel50a: X = the graphical interface, the bit that's broken? [09:10] morning wintellect [09:11] ok, I know both machines have openssh installed, but how to get into it using ssh I dont know [09:14] scoundrel50a: ssh -l username ipaddress of machine [09:20] MooDoo: thank you, one question, how do I found out the ip addresses of the machines on the network? [09:20] open up a terminal on that machine and type ifconfig [09:20] scoundrel50a: ask your router, or use the (short) hostname, that should work if you're using plain desktop ubuntu [09:20] or do that :) [09:20] (the hostname you entered when installing the machine) [09:21] ok, will give that a go and see if I can get into the other machine [09:26] yay, I think I am in, but that is a test on the machine using maverick. Need to reboot to oneiric. see if that works, if it does, should the upgrade to Natty work also? [09:26] scoundrel50a: try it and see ;) [09:27] also, all I need to do it run that command, I posted earlier, and it will work, just copy it, yes? [09:28] ok, going to log off, as I need to boot up to oneiric, and will open xchat on this machine [09:28] brb [09:29] dittomorning all [09:30] popey: morning [09:30] morning popey [09:33] Morning all [09:33] I'm back [09:34] do I just copy and paste that command into the terminal now, I am connected to the Netty machine vis ssh [09:34] give it a try [09:35] ok, one sec [09:39] did that, and got an error [09:39] what error? [09:39] Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.0/config [09:39] ok, one moment [09:40] sorry, having to work on netbook, and its very slow, should I have entered sudo before the command [09:40] you can certainly try that [09:42] just did and it, and I think it might just have worked, but it turned the pc back on, but it looks like it went to maverick instead. I'll see [09:43] it shouldnt matter what kernel [09:45] ook, got something I havent seen before when trying to load oneiric, now have a list of about 6 errors showing eror 71 just before in loads and its not turning the backlight on, I think its oneiric, is there anyway I can load Natty the same way I loaded oneiric, just to test, by using the .deb installation? I think I might completely uninstall oneiric and try again [09:46] scoundrel50a: you can't (reliably) downgrade through apt if that's what you mean [09:46] it'd be a fresh install [09:46] all the automation is geared towards upgrading [09:47] no, its an install on oneiric kernel using .deb install [09:49] I can uninstall it, I did that yesterday, I had a command but I cant remember it [09:49] having that kernel installed isnt an issue [09:50] its te back light, and why now I am getting errors when I wasnt yesterday [09:50] Hi [09:51] I have this script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621598/ is there a way to get output as Debain:bash and Redhat : csh and so on and so forth ? [09:51] scoundrel50a: it's alpha so you could get different errors on a daily basis [09:51] hang on MooDoo scoundrel50a [09:52] * MooDoo stops moving and is now statue like :) [09:52] which is why I wondered about deleting that kernel and installing the Natty kernelto see if it might work better on that [09:52] scoundrel50a: I would recommend you don't install or uninstall anything right now. [09:52] k [09:52] when you boot oneiric kernel, do you get a dark screen? [09:52] yes [09:53] but like yesterday, I can click on the enter button enter my password and it logs me in but no backlight [09:53] Ok. boot to that kernel, get the dark screen, ssh in, then run that command, if you get an error, tell us the exact error message [09:53] as soon as the log in screen appears and the rum rolke starts the backlight turns off [09:54] rum rolke? [09:54] sounds tasty [09:54] drum roll? [09:54] hehe, sorry, my fingers are too big for me to type fasst on the betbook, drum roll right, yes, lol [09:54] hm, ipv6 day .. I R disappoint [09:55] shauno: why? [09:55] scoundrel50a: can you please run this command:- [09:55] MartijnVdS: the only v6 connections I'm seeing are the same ones I always see [09:55] ok, [09:55] kaushal: for i in {1..5}; do echo "$Unix[$i]:$Shell[$i]; done ? [09:56] lspci | pastebinit [09:56] scoundrel50a: assuming you have pastebinit installed [09:57] google's mailserver still hits me via v4, ditto yahoo, apple, canonical, etc. liszt.debian is using 6 tho :) === Guest99970 is now known as gord [09:58] popey:just installing pastebinit on other machine via ssh, [09:59] popey: here are the results [09:59] http://pastebin.com/nBg8ZXC0 [10:00] scoundrel50a: ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/config [10:00] does that file exist? [10:01] ok, will have a look [10:02] I entered what you put there into the command line to look for the file but nothing happened [10:02] just copied and pasted [10:02] can you ... [10:03] shouldnt I put cd before that, istnead of ls? [10:04] I put cd in front of that, and its says no such directory [10:04] popey: daubers recorded one of your mum buntu talks and put it on blip tv, is it ok to share it with a little blog post? [10:05] find ugh [10:05] er [10:05] ugh [10:05] yes [10:05] lol [10:05] scoundrel50a: hang on [10:05] sorry, me just looking round [10:05] scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit [10:06] popey is currently experiencing a technical fault, we apologise for the loss of functionality and have engineers working around the clock to correct this [10:07] hah [10:08] BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621612/ [10:08] ok, I cd to psi and and ran pastebinit and got this [10:09] http://pastebin.com/hMAYLF9g [10:09] scoundrel50a: at no point did I say cd [10:09] 10:05:56 < popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit [10:09] i [10:09] BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621613/ [10:09] I know, I ried that, but got error that I posted just now [10:10] says no such directory [10:10] but there is, [10:10] kaushal: oh, wait. I've no idea what declare does [10:10] wait [10:10] scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit [10:10] just run that, exactly like that [10:11] ok, will try again [10:11] oh, and it should be ${array[index]} rather than just $array[$index] [10:11] I'm sure annoying syntax is an intentional design 'feature' of bash... [10:12] BigRedS: what kind of language is that? [10:12] bash? [10:12] $array[$index] is Perl :) [10:12] popey: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting [10:13] popey: http://pastebin.com/P20K9829 try that [10:13] I left out the find, as I thought that wasnt included, my appologies [10:13] scoundrel50a: i just ran that exact command on four separate machines [10:14] ok [10:14] dont think. type. ☺ [10:14] I'm really sorry, [10:14] just kidding [10:14] no problem, I am frustrated, so I know what you must be freeling [10:15] brb in two secs [10:15] MartijnVdS: yeah, and bash wants ${array[$index]} [10:15] or something with yet *more* non-alphanumeric characters :) [10:15] BigRedS: hmm executable line noise :) [10:15] are these thinkpads out of date? Would you get a refurbished system? http://goo.gl/ltW8D [10:16] livingdaylight: it's not new [10:16] MartijnVdS: since I started using eval all over the place I've really noticed that line-noise thing; `if (!$@){ ` *does* look like an expletive [10:16] hmm [10:17] scoundrel50a: is the box currently logged in? [10:17] BigRedS: TryCatch \o/ [10:17] yes [10:17] back now [10:18] MartijnVdS: do things properly? [10:18] that's not my way :) [10:18] even though I cant see anything, I found out that I coud log by clicking on enter and entering my password, and it logged me in, even though I cant see anything [10:19] ok [10:19] so you're looking at a very dark desktop? [10:19] yes [10:19] popey, indeed, I don't know how many years old it is, core2duo suggests around 5 years old? Even if I could live with the spec. how much more will one be able to get more out of it? depends how much heavy or not use it has already reveived i suppose. [10:19] livingdaylight: my day to day work machine is a 1.6GHz c2d [10:19] not out of choice you understand :D [10:19] livingdaylight: they don't get worse with age; it's no less usable than a c2d was when they were new :) [10:20] I can only close the machine down by pressing the on button till it turns off, and for a second, it shows the box with the shutting down options then goes black again [10:20] that's an IBM one, too, so certainly within the built-like-a-brick-toilet era [10:21] scoundrel50a: i have another command for you... [10:21] ok [10:21] two in fact... [10:21] ok [10:22] good morning everyone. [10:22] ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit [10:22] ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit [10:22] http://pastebin.com/2BhtQ1GL [10:22] hi brobostigon! How's things? [10:23] BigRedS, that would certainly be true if it was new. As its used though, I do have some question marks as to what's left in the tank. As solid as they are everything has got a life-cycle. But it would do what I need to get done and so why pay +£600 when I can get this beauty for under £200? pros and cons... :s [10:23] BigRedS: hi, not bad, various pains, but not bad. and you? [10:23] http://pastebin.com/ayjdyCW9 [10:23] popey: both reults posted [10:23] got it [10:23] two more... [10:23] ok [10:24] livingdaylight: it'll probably be fine. I've bought many old & ancient thinkpads off ebay and the worst I've had is dud batteries. In fact, they've all had dud batteries [10:24] brobostigon: Ach, I'm not bad. Still got to get over this issue where I don't feel like sleeping at night, but do for most of the morning :/ [10:24] BigRedS, does that one look good? [10:24] just found out from launchpad, openSUSE 11.4 is having thre same problems on some computers [10:25] livingdaylight: Looks fine to me. Is much newer than I'm used to buying though :) [10:25] BigRedS, lol... 60gb hd, ugh... [10:25] Hah, my last one was a P3 [10:25] scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit [10:25] scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit [10:25] I think I completely skipped c2 in thinkpads - work bought be a shiny (well, matte) new one in feb, which is actually *new* and i3 or something [10:25] BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621622/ [10:26] BigRedS, maybe I shouldn't be taking advice from you then; you love old relics, lol [10:26] BigRedS: ah, i see. hmmm. [10:26] livingdaylight: haha, yeah, that's a reasonable point :) [10:26] But they have character! [10:26] thats no way to talk about his wife! [10:26] etc [10:26] but not much style! [10:27] kaushal: I'm not really sure; all I can suggest is googling something like "bash arrays" and reading what comes up [10:27] popey, I didn't know he was married to his machine :p [10:27] popey: keep getting this back from entering those commands.....You are trying to send an empty document, exiting [10:27] I'll try again, one sec [10:28] hmm [10:28] scoundrel50a: this would be a lot quicker/easier if you just let me ssh into your machine :D [10:28] popey: now I get this.....ls: cannot access /sys/devices/pci0000:000000:00:02.0: No such file or directory [10:28] scoundrel50a: you missed a / [10:28] ok, if you watn please do [10:29] what do you need, [10:29] can I give you information in private mesage [10:29] you'd probably need to open port 22 on your router/firewall and point it to the IP your broken machine has [10:29] and then create a user [10:29] and let me know the password in pm [10:30] not done that before, but you can go in as me, I trust you, its just opening the port, how do I do that [10:31] depends on the router you have [10:31] http://portforward.com/ can help you there :D [10:31] netgear [10:31] look for your model on that page [10:31] livingdaylight: it's more of a harem... [10:31] ok, give me a sec,and I'll see if I can get it to work [10:31] ok [10:32] no hurry [10:32] BigRedS, ^^ [10:43] ok, I am on sky,and for some reason there is nowhere on the router that shows the model number, been looking and even in the router settings I can find the number, might be a bit longer than a couple of secs, sorry [10:44] ahh, sky router [10:44] no idea how you do it on that [10:44] * popey pokes gord [10:44] You can do it on sky [10:45] admin and sky is username and pass [10:45] By default [10:45] in router settings [10:45] Port access sucks though [10:45] how do I port forward [10:45] Just trying to remember, not re-enabled mine yet but have done in the past [10:45] It's maybe under advanced ? [10:46] See if I can find you a tutorial a sec [10:46] not used a sky router for years and years sorry [10:46] didn't use one when i was with sky [10:46] sky make things really difficult [10:47] Depends if you have the DG834 Netgear one or the other brand that I have that name has totally left me for a second [10:48] All tuts are for DG834 atm [10:48] Small black router ? [10:48] black router, yes [10:48] but there is no model number anywhere [10:48] Yep, SAGEM I think, same as mine [10:49] Two secs, getting you a link [10:49] this is definatgely netgear, but wouldnt the router settings be the same, I had a sagem for a week and I thing they seemed the same [10:49] oh right, use a black netgear now then [10:49] :P [10:49] Ok, so it's under firewall settings [10:50] http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9998/clipboard07xg8.gif [10:51] um, will take a look [10:52] Or could just use TeamViewer ? [10:53] no, i want to use ssh [10:54] :) [10:55] that doesnt give an option for ports, just LAN settings, could it be the option that has start port, finish port options? [10:55] Or if you get stuck scoundrel50a, you could enable Remote Management and get some one else to change, then change pass after [10:55] diplo: that sounds easier, [10:56] I am in the RM settings now, what do I need to do? [10:57] Seems your settings are different than the tutorial, so will have to say what it says ? [10:57] Normally enable, and some times allows you to lock down what IP it comes from [10:58] And whether you have http/ssh access [10:58] to the router [10:58] All depends on router [10:59] I entered the IP of the computer that needs accessing, I can change the port to 20, as it has that option, would that be right then? [11:00] RM is normally to access the router, so that would be the port you want people to connect to your router on [11:00] So someones IP from here, and port 80 ? [11:00] why is it so complicated........makes me want to bang my head against the wall [11:02] security is complicated :D [11:02] the port should be 22 [11:02] thats the ssh port [11:02] This was for remote management of router popey [11:02] So could set up portforwarding for him [11:02] oh sorry [11:03] No stickers @ all on the bottom of the router scoundrel50a ? [11:05] just sticker giving serial no and mac address [11:05] even looking at box and no details on there either, sky makes it really difficult [11:06] heh, mac address can get manaf but that's it I suppose [11:06] Did you have a link to Firewall rules ? [11:07] no [11:07] one day someone will make an easy remote ssh connection thing with zero effort [11:08] morning all [11:09] davmor2: morning slur ;) er i mean sir....now i think i was right the first time [11:09] Sounds good popey [11:09] :D [11:09] I doubt it though [11:09] Mez: POKE!!!!!!!! [11:09] scoundrel50a, want me to poke around on the router, could jump on using teamviewer and fix router and enable ssh for popey ? [11:10] could you, that would help [11:10] http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx [11:10] PM me id/pass [11:11] ok, give me a sec [11:12] it says its a .exe, how will that work, via wine, yes? [11:12] there is a linux version too [11:12] http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb [11:13] (which is actually a windows app bundled with wine libraries) [11:13] 32 bit ^^ [11:13] ok [11:13] yes this is a 32 bit machine I am typing on, and which is accessing the router [11:16] MooDoo: Morning you old bald hippy ;) [11:17] davmor2: how very dare you.....hippy?? ;) [11:17] haha MooDoo flower power to you man ;) [11:18] davmor2: cheeky ******************* :) [11:19] MooDoo: Does that mean SuperStar? [11:19] davmor2: seeing as it's you then yes....woooaoooah your my heroooooo la la la :) [11:21] ooooo more jobs on canonicals careers page [11:21] ok, problem with intalling this, when I click on it, it says cannot open package called file. Why does Softwware Ware centre open now. I am using Netty [11:22] Not tried it on Natty I'm afraid [11:22] running Mav here [11:22] customer support specialist....hmm interesting [11:23] wont work on Natty, even using .exe via wine [11:23] off to bang head against wall [11:23] https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=125 looks interesting [11:24] popey: i don't have the developer skills for that, but seeing as i've been in customer services for lots of years :D [11:24] what I will do is, log out of other machine, into Maverick, and you can do it from there, just thought about that now [11:28] davmor2: waaasaaaaaap [11:29] MooDoo: Wot no job? [11:29] my panel's stopped updating (specifically the empathy icon) [11:30] ok, connected to network, transfered teamweaver to other machine and now installing it [11:30] in the olden days I'd do `killall gnome-panel` to fix it; what's the unity version? [11:30] oh [11:30] unity-panel-service [11:31] wont install because its 32 bit package, my laptop is 64bit, grrrrr [11:34] scoundrel50a, http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux_x64.deb [11:39] davmor2: i've got a job, i've just seen that one at canonical that sounds interesting [11:39] MooDoo: is it at home or in one of the offices though? [11:40] home [11:41] sorry, was on other machine trying to look for this and didnt see you, thank you [11:41] davmor2: it's a home based one [11:42] MooDoo: Oh I though most of the tech support was office based :) [11:42] MooDoo: you going for it? [11:43] davmor2: it's not specifically tech support it's more like customer support [11:43] davmor2: i'm interested so far [11:43] davmor2: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=228 [11:43] MooDoo: So are you going for it? [11:43] davmor2: yeah probably lol [11:46] diplo: finally installing it on other machine [11:47] :) [11:49] ok, its opened up, what do I for you to connect? [11:50] can I open private message, to give you id [11:50] yup shoot === eightbitraptor_ is now known as eightbitraptor === denny_ is now known as denny [12:27] diplo and popey: got the port forwarded, that was hard work [12:28] popey: are you still available to connect to my machine [12:32] anybody around? [12:39] scoundrel50a: probably lots of it, it's just lunch time :D [12:39] s/it/us [12:40] juat bwondered, was hoping I hadnt broken anything messing with the router settings [12:42] ooops may of now lol [12:43] sorry, using netbook, and way too small for fingers [12:54] scoundrel50a: just having lunch, back in a bit [12:55] ok, no problem, the connection works so you can get into the machine [12:58] http://pastebin.com/A0NW9PjX <-- Popey [12:58] Will let you take over as I don't know what you are looking for [13:07] MichealH: i see your up for membership :D [13:38] have to reboot [13:42] had some updates, and needed to reboot [13:44] scoundrel50a: needed to reboot? [13:46] had a load of updates, and the update manager after the updates finished, said need reboot in order for updates to finish. [13:46] groovy :) [13:56] there was kernel updates recently hence the need for update. [13:59] JGJones: that explains that then :D [13:59] I mean reboot(!) [14:06] is there a way I can either hide a directory, or make it so that I have to log in to view it [14:07] or both [14:10] er [14:10] how're you accessing the machine? [14:10] over the web? ftp? console? [14:13] this is my laptop, just wanted to know if it could be hidden. I am [14:14] I very rarely access it from anywhere else, now I have openssh, Imight try, but most of the time its accessed from the computer itself [14:17] can you access the machine via ftp? that is interesting [14:17] hardware gurus, does matx boards fit/line up in an atx case, or does it have to be an matx case [14:17] scoundrel50a: well, you can install an FTP server. The access bit depends upon where you're accessing it from [14:17] Afternoons [14:18] and the network in-between. Firewalls do not like FTP [14:18] also, FTP sucks [14:18] and scp (whish is essentially ssh) is almost always a better option anyway [14:19] Question...... I see lots of these "Windows user tries to use Linux" stories around, but how many "Linux user tries to use Windows" stories have people seen around? [14:19] I've been one [14:19] it's _hard_ [14:20] I've tried [14:20] I kept meaning to write about it, but I didn't particularly enjoy reliving it [14:20] daubers: speak to popey :) he's using windows 7 at the moment [14:20] Can't use it for anything other than games :) [14:20] and configuring my Logitech Harmony [14:20] I was considering trying it for a month and seeing how far I get [14:20] i quite like windows to be honest [14:21] Windows is not yet ready for the average desktop user. It's too easy to make mistakes, get spyware/malware, etc [14:21] I'm finding Windows 7 a lot less offensive than I found XP/2003 [14:21] MartijnVdS: I think I'll hit a big barrier of "I want to through together a quick program to do this but don't want to shell out £xxx for Visual Studio" quite quickly [14:21] daubers: eclipse works [14:21] daubers: putty to a Linux machine works [14:21] BakedBean: the os is ready, it's the users that need educating [14:21] MartijnVdS: With windows native forms and things? [14:21] daubers: I have Strawberry Perl and Python installed on my W7 machine [14:21] If windows had repos those wouldn't be anywhere near the issues they are now [14:22] BakedBean: although the next time my mum or sister get a virus on their machine i'm moving them to ubuntu :) [14:22] BigRedS, coming to a windows machine near you soon [14:22] Might declare cygwin as cheating too [14:22] diplo: they keep saying that [14:23] for a "Linux to Windows story to work - you need someone that never have used Windows but use Linux. [14:23] Been written now [14:23] I've seen many projects pop up, they always trip up on licensing [14:23] A MS guy started it as a project in his own time, now doing it full time I believe [14:23] For MS [14:23] JGJones: in this day and age you'll fine that hard unless it your grandparents etc [14:23] JGJones: My intro to WinXP was my windows admin job that I did for three years until about a year ago [14:23] that seemed remote enough from old windows for me [14:24] My ex-father in law was using Crunchbang & WinXP, got on fine [14:24]