[01:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[06:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:00] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:12] <popey> mng
[07:14]  * AlanBell hugs vowels
[07:15] <popey> vrrtd
[07:23]  * dwatkins grns
[07:47] <AlanBell> happpy IPV6 day everyone
[08:45] <diplo> Morning all
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> Happy IPv6 day, AlanBell
[08:59] <MooDoo> are the meeting notes up for last nights meeting?
[09:00] <MooDoo> rats i'm thinking of something else sorry :)
[09:04]  * AlanBell sends MooDoo back to his TARDIS
[09:05] <MooDoo> AlanBell: i was thinking about a board meeting
[09:07] <scoundrel50a> Hi, well I have had another suggestion from launchpad, ab olut the backlight, but I dont understand how to implement it. Can somebody help?
[09:08] <scoundrel50a> it says The backlight can be turned on by using setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=50
[09:09] <scoundrel50a> is that something I should enter into the terminal?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: you shuold probably be in X, and open a terminal to enter that
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: or be in X, then ssh to the machine and run it fro mthere
[09:10] <scoundrel50a> MartijnVdS: so how would I open X
[09:10] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: X = the graphical interface, the bit that's broken?
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning wintellect
[09:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, I know both machines have openssh installed, but how to get into it using ssh I dont know
[09:14] <MooDoo> scoundrel50a: ssh -l username ipaddress of machine
[09:20] <scoundrel50a> MooDoo: thank you, one question, how do I found out the ip addresses of the machines on the network?
[09:20] <MooDoo> open up a terminal on that machine and type ifconfig
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> scoundrel50a: ask your router, or use the (short) hostname, that should work if you're using plain desktop ubuntu
[09:20] <MooDoo> or do that :)
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> (the hostname you entered when installing the machine)
[09:21] <scoundrel50a> ok, will give that a go and see if I can get into the other machine
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> yay, I think I am in, but that is a test on the machine using maverick. Need to reboot to oneiric. see if that works, if it does, should the upgrade to Natty work also?
[09:26] <MooDoo> scoundrel50a: try it and see ;)
[09:27] <scoundrel50a> also, all I need to do it run that command, I posted earlier, and it will work, just copy it, yes?
[09:28] <scoundrel50a> ok, going to log off, as I need to boot up to oneiric, and will open xchat on this machine
[09:28] <scoundrel50a> brb
[09:29] <popey> dittomorning all
[09:30] <MooDoo> popey: morning
[09:30] <kazade> morning popey
[09:33] <DJones> Morning all
[09:33] <scoundrel50a> I'm back
[09:34] <scoundrel50a> do I just copy and paste that command into the terminal now, I am connected to the Netty machine vis ssh
[09:34] <MooDoo> give it a try
[09:35] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec
[09:39] <scoundrel50a> did that, and got an error
[09:39] <popey> what error?
[09:39] <scoundrel50a> Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.0/config
[09:39] <popey> ok, one moment
[09:40] <scoundrel50a> sorry, having to work on netbook, and its very slow, should I have entered sudo before the command
[09:40] <popey> you can certainly try that
[09:42] <scoundrel50a> just did and it, and I think it might just have worked, but it turned the pc back on, but it looks like it went to maverick instead. I'll see
[09:43] <popey> it shouldnt matter what kernel
[09:45] <scoundrel50a> ook, got something I havent seen before when trying to load oneiric, now have a list of about 6 errors showing eror 71 just before in loads and its not turning the backlight on, I think its oneiric, is there anyway I can load Natty the same way I loaded oneiric, just to test, by using the .deb installation? I think I might completely uninstall oneiric and try again
[09:46] <BigRedS> scoundrel50a: you can't (reliably) downgrade through apt if that's what you mean
[09:46] <BigRedS> it'd be a fresh install
[09:46] <BigRedS> all the automation is geared towards upgrading
[09:47] <scoundrel50a> no, its an install on oneiric kernel using .deb install
[09:49] <scoundrel50a> I can uninstall it, I did that yesterday, I had a command but I cant remember it
[09:49] <popey> having that kernel installed isnt an issue
[09:50] <scoundrel50a> its te back light, and why now I am getting errors when I wasnt yesterday
[09:50] <kaushal> Hi
[09:51] <kaushal> I have this script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621598/ is there a way to get output as Debain:bash and Redhat : csh and so on and so forth ?
[09:51] <MooDoo> scoundrel50a: it's alpha so you could get different errors on a daily basis
[09:51] <popey> hang on MooDoo scoundrel50a
[09:52]  * MooDoo stops moving and is now statue like :)
[09:52] <scoundrel50a> which is why I wondered about deleting that kernel and installing the Natty kernelto see if it might work better on that
[09:52] <popey> scoundrel50a: I would recommend you don't install or uninstall anything right now.
[09:52] <scoundrel50a> k
[09:52] <popey> when you boot oneiric kernel, do you get a dark screen?
[09:52] <scoundrel50a> yes
[09:53] <scoundrel50a> but like yesterday, I can click on the enter button enter my password and it logs me in but no backlight
[09:53] <popey> Ok. boot to that kernel, get the dark screen, ssh in, then run that command, if you get an error, tell us the exact error message
[09:53] <scoundrel50a> as soon as the log in screen appears and the rum rolke starts the backlight turns off
[09:54] <popey> rum rolke?
[09:54] <BigRedS> sounds tasty
[09:54] <popey> drum roll?
[09:54] <scoundrel50a> hehe, sorry, my fingers are too big for me to type fasst on the betbook, drum roll right, yes, lol
[09:54] <shauno> hm, ipv6 day .. I R disappoint
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> shauno: why?
[09:55] <popey> scoundrel50a: can you please run this command:-
[09:55] <shauno> MartijnVdS: the only v6 connections I'm seeing are the same ones I always see
[09:55] <scoundrel50a> ok,
[09:55] <BigRedS> kaushal: for i in {1..5}; do echo "$Unix[$i]:$Shell[$i]; done  ?
[09:56] <popey> lspci | pastebinit
[09:56] <popey> scoundrel50a: assuming you have pastebinit installed
[09:57] <shauno> google's mailserver still hits me via v4, ditto yahoo, apple, canonical, etc.  liszt.debian is using 6 tho :)
[09:58] <scoundrel50a> popey:just installing pastebinit on other machine via ssh,
[09:59] <scoundrel50a> popey: here are the results
[09:59] <scoundrel50a> http://pastebin.com/nBg8ZXC0
[10:00] <popey> scoundrel50a: ls /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/config
[10:00] <popey> does that file exist?
[10:01] <scoundrel50a> ok, will have a look
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> I entered what you put there into the command line to look for the file but nothing happened
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> just copied and pasted
[10:02] <popey> can you ...
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> shouldnt I put cd before that, istnead of ls?
[10:04] <scoundrel50a> I put cd in front of that, and its says no such directory
[10:04] <MooDoo> popey: daubers recorded one of your mum buntu talks and put it on blip tv, is it ok to share it with a little blog post?
[10:05] <popey> find ugh
[10:05] <popey> er
[10:05] <popey> ugh
[10:05] <popey> yes
[10:05] <MooDoo> lol
[10:05] <popey> scoundrel50a: hang on
[10:05] <scoundrel50a> sorry, me just looking round
[10:05] <popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit
[10:06] <gord> popey is currently experiencing a technical fault, we apologise for the loss of functionality and have engineers working around the clock to correct this
[10:07] <BigRedS> hah
[10:08] <kaushal> BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621612/
[10:08] <scoundrel50a> ok, I cd to psi and and ran pastebinit and got this
[10:09] <scoundrel50a> http://pastebin.com/hMAYLF9g
[10:09] <popey> scoundrel50a: at no point did I say cd
[10:09] <popey> 10:05:56 < popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit
[10:09] <scoundrel50a> i
[10:09] <kaushal> BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621613/
[10:09] <scoundrel50a> I know, I ried that, but got error that I posted just now
[10:10] <scoundrel50a> says no such directory
[10:10] <scoundrel50a> but there is,
[10:10] <BigRedS> kaushal: oh, wait. I've no idea what declare does
[10:10] <popey> wait
[10:10] <popey> scoundrel50a: find /sys/bus/pci/ | pastebinit
[10:10] <popey> just run that, exactly like that
[10:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, will try again
[10:11] <BigRedS> oh, and it should be ${array[index]} rather than just $array[$index]
[10:11] <BigRedS> I'm sure annoying syntax is an intentional design 'feature' of bash...
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: what kind of language is that?
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> bash?
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> $array[$index] is Perl :)
[10:12] <scoundrel50a> popey: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting
[10:13] <scoundrel50a> popey: http://pastebin.com/P20K9829 try that
[10:13] <scoundrel50a> I left out the find, as I thought that wasnt included, my appologies
[10:13] <popey> scoundrel50a: i just ran that exact command on four separate machines
[10:14] <popey> ok
[10:14] <popey> dont think. type. ☺
[10:14] <scoundrel50a> I'm really sorry,
[10:14] <popey> just kidding
[10:14] <scoundrel50a> no problem, I am frustrated, so I know what you must be freeling
[10:15] <scoundrel50a> brb in two secs
[10:15] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, and bash wants ${array[$index]}
[10:15] <BigRedS> or something with yet *more* non-alphanumeric characters :)
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: hmm executable line noise :)
[10:15] <livingdaylight> are these thinkpads out of date? Would you get a refurbished system?  http://goo.gl/ltW8D
[10:16] <popey> livingdaylight: it's not new
[10:16] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: since I started using eval all over the place I've really noticed that line-noise thing; `if (!$@){ ` *does* look like an expletive
[10:16] <czajkowski> hmm
[10:17] <popey> scoundrel50a: is the box currently logged in?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: TryCatch \o/
[10:17] <scoundrel50a> yes
[10:17] <scoundrel50a> back now
[10:18] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: do things properly?
[10:18] <BigRedS> that's not my way :)
[10:18] <scoundrel50a> even though I cant see anything, I found out that I coud log by clicking on enter and entering my password, and it logged me in, even though I cant see anything
[10:19] <popey> ok
[10:19] <popey> so you're looking at a very dark desktop?
[10:19] <scoundrel50a> yes
[10:19] <livingdaylight> popey, indeed, I don't know how many years old it is, core2duo suggests around 5 years old? Even if I could live with the spec. how much more will one be able to get more out of it? depends how much heavy or not use it has already reveived i suppose.
[10:19] <popey> livingdaylight: my day to day work machine is a 1.6GHz c2d
[10:19] <popey> not out of choice you understand :D
[10:19] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: they don't get worse with age; it's no less usable than a c2d was when they were new :)
[10:20] <scoundrel50a> I can only close the machine down by pressing the on button till it turns off, and for a second, it shows the box with the shutting down options then goes black again
[10:20] <BigRedS> that's an IBM one, too, so certainly within the built-like-a-brick-toilet era
[10:21] <popey> scoundrel50a: i have another command for you...
[10:21] <scoundrel50a> ok
[10:21] <popey> two in fact...
[10:21] <scoundrel50a> ok
[10:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:22] <popey> ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit
[10:22] <popey> ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit
[10:22] <scoundrel50a> http://pastebin.com/2BhtQ1GL
[10:22] <BigRedS> hi brobostigon! How's things?
[10:23] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, that would certainly be true if it was new. As its used though, I do have some question marks as to what's left in the tank. As solid as they are everything has got a life-cycle. But it would do what I need to get done and so why pay +£600 when I can get this beauty for under £200? pros and cons... :s
[10:23] <brobostigon> BigRedS: hi, not bad, various pains, but not bad. and you?
[10:23] <scoundrel50a> http://pastebin.com/ayjdyCW9
[10:23] <scoundrel50a> popey: both reults posted
[10:23] <popey> got it
[10:23] <popey> two more...
[10:23] <scoundrel50a> ok
[10:24] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: it'll probably be fine. I've bought many old & ancient thinkpads off ebay and the worst I've had is dud batteries. In fact, they've all had dud batteries
[10:24] <BigRedS> brobostigon: Ach, I'm not bad. Still got to get over this issue where I don't feel like sleeping at night, but do for most of the morning :/
[10:24] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, does that one look good?
[10:24] <scoundrel50a> just found out from launchpad, openSUSE 11.4 is having thre same problems on some computers
[10:25] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: Looks fine to me. Is much newer than I'm used to buying though :)
[10:25] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, lol... 60gb hd, ugh...
[10:25] <BigRedS> Hah, my last one was a P3
[10:25] <popey> scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.0 | pastebinit
[10:25] <popey> scoundrel50a: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000\:00\0000\:00\:02.1 | pastebinit
[10:25] <BigRedS> I think I completely skipped c2 in thinkpads - work bought be a shiny (well, matte) new one in feb, which is actually *new* and i3 or something
[10:25] <kaushal> BigRedS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/621622/
[10:26] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, maybe I shouldn't be taking advice from you then; you love old relics, lol
[10:26] <brobostigon> BigRedS: ah, i see. hmmm.
[10:26] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: haha, yeah, that's a reasonable point :)
[10:26] <BigRedS> But they have character!
[10:26] <popey> thats no way to talk about his wife!
[10:26] <popey> etc
[10:26] <livingdaylight> but not much style!
[10:27] <BigRedS> kaushal: I'm not really sure; all I can suggest is googling something like "bash arrays" and reading what comes up
[10:27] <livingdaylight> popey, I didn't know he was married to his machine :p
[10:27] <scoundrel50a> popey: keep getting this back from entering those commands.....You are trying to send an empty document, exiting
[10:27] <scoundrel50a> I'll try again, one sec
[10:28] <popey> hmm
[10:28] <popey> scoundrel50a: this would be a lot quicker/easier if you just let me ssh into your machine :D
[10:28] <scoundrel50a> popey: now I get this.....ls: cannot access /sys/devices/pci0000:000000:00:02.0: No such file or directory
[10:28] <popey> scoundrel50a: you missed a /
[10:28] <scoundrel50a> ok, if you watn please do
[10:29] <scoundrel50a> what do you need,
[10:29] <scoundrel50a> can I give you information in private mesage
[10:29] <popey> you'd probably need to open port 22 on your router/firewall and point it to the IP your broken machine has
[10:29] <popey> and then create a user
[10:29] <popey> and let me know the password in pm
[10:30] <scoundrel50a> not done that before, but you can go in as me, I trust you, its just opening the port, how do I do that
[10:31] <popey> depends on the router you have
[10:31] <popey> http://portforward.com/ can help you there :D
[10:31] <scoundrel50a> netgear
[10:31] <popey> look for your model on that page
[10:31] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: it's more of a harem...
[10:31] <scoundrel50a> ok, give me a sec,and I'll see if I can get it to work
[10:31] <popey> ok
[10:32] <popey> no hurry
[10:32] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, ^^
[10:43] <scoundrel50a> ok, I am on sky,and for some reason there is nowhere on the router that shows the model number, been looking and even in the router settings I can find the number, might be a bit longer than a couple of secs, sorry
[10:44] <popey> ahh, sky router
[10:44] <popey> no idea how you do it on that
[10:44]  * popey pokes gord 
[10:44] <diplo> You can do it on sky
[10:45] <diplo> admin and sky is username and pass
[10:45] <diplo> By default
[10:45] <scoundrel50a> in router settings
[10:45] <diplo> Port access sucks though
[10:45] <scoundrel50a> how do I port forward
[10:45] <diplo> Just trying to remember, not re-enabled mine yet but have done in the past
[10:45] <diplo> It's maybe under advanced ?
[10:46] <diplo> See if I can find you a tutorial a sec
[10:46] <gord> not used a sky router for years and years sorry
[10:46] <gord> didn't use one when i was with sky
[10:46] <scoundrel50a> sky make things really difficult
[10:47] <diplo> Depends if you have the DG834 Netgear one or the other brand that I have that name has totally left me for a second
[10:48] <diplo> All tuts are for DG834 atm
[10:48] <diplo> Small black router ?
[10:48] <scoundrel50a> black router, yes
[10:48] <scoundrel50a> but there is no model number anywhere
[10:48] <diplo> Yep, SAGEM I think, same as mine
[10:49] <diplo> Two secs, getting you a link
[10:49] <scoundrel50a> this is definatgely netgear, but wouldnt the router settings be the same, I had a sagem for a week and I thing they seemed the same
[10:49] <diplo> oh right, use a black netgear now then
[10:49] <diplo> :P
[10:49] <diplo> Ok, so it's under firewall settings
[10:50] <diplo> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9998/clipboard07xg8.gif
[10:51] <scoundrel50a> um, will take a look
[10:52] <diplo> Or could just use TeamViewer ?
[10:53] <popey> no, i want to use ssh
[10:54] <diplo> :)
[10:55] <scoundrel50a> that doesnt give an option for ports, just LAN settings, could it be the option that has start port, finish port options?
[10:55] <diplo> Or if you get stuck scoundrel50a, you could enable Remote Management and get some one else to change, then change pass after
[10:55] <scoundrel50a> diplo: that sounds easier,
[10:56] <scoundrel50a> I am in the RM settings now, what do I need to do?
[10:57] <diplo> Seems your settings are different than the tutorial, so will have to say what it says ?
[10:57] <diplo> Normally enable, and some times allows you to lock down what IP it comes from
[10:58] <diplo> And whether you have http/ssh access
[10:58] <diplo> to the router
[10:58] <diplo> All depends on router
[10:59] <scoundrel50a> I entered the IP of the computer that needs accessing, I can change the port to 20, as it has that option, would that be right then?
[11:00] <diplo> RM is normally to access the router, so that would be the port you want people to connect to your router on
[11:00] <diplo> So someones IP from here, and port 80 ?
[11:00] <scoundrel50a> why is it so complicated........makes me want to bang my head against the wall
[11:02] <popey> security is complicated :D
[11:02] <popey> the port should be 22
[11:02] <popey> thats the ssh port
[11:02] <diplo> This was for remote management of router popey
[11:02] <diplo> So could set up portforwarding for him
[11:02] <popey> oh sorry
[11:03] <diplo> No stickers @ all on the bottom of the router scoundrel50a ?
[11:05] <scoundrel50a> just sticker giving serial no and mac address
[11:05] <scoundrel50a> even looking at box and no details on there either, sky makes it really difficult
[11:06] <diplo> heh, mac address can get manaf but that's it I suppose
[11:06] <diplo> Did you have a link to Firewall rules ?
[11:07] <scoundrel50a> no
[11:07] <popey> one day someone will make an easy remote ssh connection thing with zero effort
[11:08] <davmor2> morning all
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning slur ;) er i mean sir....now i think i was right the first time
[11:09] <diplo> Sounds good popey
[11:09] <diplo> :D
[11:09] <diplo> I doubt it though
[11:09] <davmor2> Mez: POKE!!!!!!!!
[11:09] <diplo> scoundrel50a, want me to poke around on the router, could jump on using teamviewer and fix router and enable ssh for popey  ?
[11:10] <scoundrel50a> could you, that would help
[11:10] <diplo> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[11:10] <diplo> PM me id/pass
[11:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, give me a sec
[11:12] <scoundrel50a> it says its a .exe, how will that work, via wine, yes?
[11:12] <popey> there is a linux version too
[11:12] <diplo> http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb
[11:13] <popey> (which is actually a windows app bundled with wine libraries)
[11:13] <diplo> 32 bit ^^
[11:13] <scoundrel50a> ok
[11:13] <scoundrel50a> yes this is a 32 bit machine I am typing on, and which is accessing the router
[11:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning you old bald hippy ;)
[11:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: how very dare you.....hippy?? ;)
[11:17] <davmor2> haha MooDoo flower power to you man ;)
[11:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: cheeky ******************* :)
[11:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: Does that mean SuperStar?
[11:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: seeing as it's you then yes....woooaoooah your my heroooooo la la la :)
[11:21] <MooDoo> ooooo more jobs on canonicals careers page
[11:21] <scoundrel50a> ok, problem with intalling this, when I click on it, it says cannot open package called file. Why does Softwware Ware centre open now. I am using Netty
[11:22] <diplo> Not tried it on Natty I'm afraid
[11:22] <diplo> running Mav here
[11:22] <MooDoo> customer support specialist....hmm interesting
[11:23] <scoundrel50a> wont work on Natty, even using .exe via wine
[11:23] <scoundrel50a> off to bang head against wall
[11:23] <popey> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=125 looks interesting
[11:24] <MooDoo> popey: i don't have the developer skills for that, but seeing as i've been in customer services for lots of years :D
[11:24] <scoundrel50a> what I will do is, log out of other machine, into Maverick, and you can do it from there, just thought about that now
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: waaasaaaaaap
[11:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: Wot no job?
[11:29] <BigRedS> my panel's stopped updating (specifically the empathy icon)
[11:30] <scoundrel50a> ok, connected to network, transfered teamweaver to other machine and now installing it
[11:30] <BigRedS> in the olden days I'd do `killall gnome-panel` to fix it; what's the unity version?
[11:30] <BigRedS> oh
[11:30] <BigRedS> unity-panel-service
[11:31] <scoundrel50a> wont install because its 32 bit package, my laptop is 64bit, grrrrr
[11:34] <diplo> scoundrel50a, http://www.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux_x64.deb
[11:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've got a job, i've just seen that one at canonical that sounds interesting
[11:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: is it at home or in one of the offices though?
[11:40] <MooDoo> home
[11:41] <scoundrel50a> sorry, was on other machine trying to look for this and didnt see you, thank you
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a home based one
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh I though most of the tech support was office based :)
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: you going for it?
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's not specifically tech support it's more like customer support
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm interested so far
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=228
[11:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: So are you going for it?
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah probably lol
[11:46] <scoundrel50a> diplo: finally installing it on other machine
[11:47] <diplo> :)
[11:49] <scoundrel50a> ok, its opened up, what do I for you to connect?
[11:50] <scoundrel50a> can I open private message, to give you id
[11:50] <diplo> yup shoot
[12:27] <scoundrel50a> diplo and popey: got the port forwarded, that was hard work
[12:28] <scoundrel50a> popey: are you still available to connect to my machine
[12:32] <scoundrel50a> anybody around?
[12:39] <MooDoo> scoundrel50a: probably lots of it, it's just lunch time :D
[12:39] <MooDoo> s/it/us
[12:40] <scoundrel50a_> juat bwondered, was hoping I hadnt broken anything messing with the router settings
[12:42] <MooDoo> ooops may of now lol
[12:43] <scoundrel50a> sorry, using netbook, and way too small for fingers
[12:54] <popey> scoundrel50a: just having lunch, back in a bit
[12:55] <scoundrel50a> ok, no problem, the connection works so you can get into the machine
[12:58] <diplo> http://pastebin.com/A0NW9PjX  <-- Popey
[12:58] <diplo> Will let you take over as I don't know what you are looking for
[13:07] <MooDoo> MichealH: i see your up for membership :D
[13:38] <scoundrel50a> have to reboot
[13:42] <scoundrel50a> had some updates, and needed to reboot
[13:44] <MooDoo> scoundrel50a: needed to reboot?
[13:46] <scoundrel50a> had a load of updates, and the update manager after the updates finished, said need reboot in order for updates to finish.
[13:46] <MooDoo> groovy :)
[13:56] <JGJones> there was kernel updates recently hence the need for update.
[13:59] <MooDoo> JGJones: that explains that then :D
[13:59] <JGJones> I mean reboot(!)
[14:06] <scoundrel50a> is there a way I can either hide a directory, or make it so that I have to log in to view it
[14:07] <scoundrel50a> or both
[14:10] <BigRedS> er
[14:10] <BigRedS> how're you accessing the machine?
[14:10] <BigRedS> over the web? ftp? console?
[14:13] <scoundrel50a> this is my laptop, just wanted to know if it could be hidden. I am
[14:14] <scoundrel50a> I very rarely access it from anywhere else, now I have openssh, Imight try, but most of the time its accessed from the computer itself
[14:17] <scoundrel50a> can you access the machine via ftp? that is interesting
[14:17] <ikonia> hardware gurus, does matx boards fit/line up in an atx case, or does it have to be an matx case
[14:17] <BigRedS> scoundrel50a: well, you can install an FTP server. The access bit depends upon where you're accessing it from
[14:17] <daubers> Afternoons
[14:18] <BigRedS> and the network in-between. Firewalls do not like FTP
[14:18] <daubers> also, FTP sucks
[14:18] <BigRedS> and scp (whish is essentially ssh) is almost always a better option anyway
[14:19] <daubers> Question...... I see lots of these "Windows user tries to use Linux" stories around, but how many "Linux user tries to use Windows" stories have people seen around?
[14:19] <BigRedS> I've been one
[14:19] <BigRedS> it's _hard_
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> I've tried
[14:20] <BigRedS> I kept meaning to write about it, but I didn't particularly enjoy reliving it
[14:20] <MooDoo> daubers: speak to popey :)  he's using windows 7 at the moment
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> Can't use it for anything other than games :)
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> and configuring my Logitech Harmony
[14:20] <daubers> I was considering trying it for a month and seeing how far I get
[14:20] <MooDoo> i quite like windows to be honest
[14:21] <BakedBean> Windows is not yet ready for the average desktop user.  It's too easy to make mistakes, get spyware/malware, etc
[14:21] <BigRedS> I'm finding Windows 7 a lot less offensive than I found XP/2003
[14:21] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I think I'll hit a big barrier of "I want to through together a quick program to do this but don't want to shell out £xxx for Visual Studio" quite quickly
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: eclipse works
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: putty to a Linux machine works
[14:21] <MooDoo> BakedBean: the os is ready, it's the users that need educating
[14:21] <daubers> MartijnVdS: With windows native forms and things?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have Strawberry Perl and Python installed on my W7 machine
[14:21] <BigRedS> If windows had repos those wouldn't be anywhere near the issues they are now
[14:22] <MooDoo> BakedBean: although the next time my mum or sister get a virus on their machine i'm moving them to ubuntu :)
[14:22] <diplo> BigRedS, coming to a windows machine near you soon
[14:22] <daubers> Might declare cygwin as cheating too
[14:22] <BigRedS> diplo: they keep saying that
[14:23] <JGJones> for a "Linux to Windows story to work - you need someone that never have used Windows but use Linux.
[14:23] <diplo> Been written now
[14:23] <BigRedS> I've seen many projects pop up, they always trip up on licensing
[14:23] <diplo> A MS guy started it as a project in his own time, now doing it full time I believe
[14:23] <diplo> For MS
[14:23] <MooDoo> JGJones: in this day and age you'll fine that hard unless it your grandparents etc
[14:23] <BigRedS> JGJones: My intro to WinXP was my windows admin job that I did for three years until about a year ago
[14:23] <BigRedS> that seemed remote enough from old windows for me
[14:24] <diplo> My ex-father in law was using Crunchbang & WinXP, got on fine
[14:24] <JGJones> My daughter would qualify...she used Windows for the first time in school recently. Said it was rubbish.
[14:24] <daubers> heh :)
[14:24] <MooDoo> JGJones: linux user at home?
[14:24] <JGJones> she use Ubuntu and OSX
[14:24] <MooDoo> silly question really lol
[14:25] <Catbuskris> why linux not more popular?
[14:25] <JGJones> she prefer OSX slightly over Ubuntu, but I haven't introduced her to Unity yet ;-) She have her dock on the left.
[14:25] <JGJones> Catbuskris, buy a computer.
[14:25] <BigRedS> Catbuskris: because for the average user there's no compelling reason to switch to it
[14:25] <JGJones> they come with Windows.
[14:25] <MooDoo> JGJones: my son loves tuxpaint
[14:25] <Catbuskris> my GF paid £50 for antivirus software, before i could stop her
[14:25] <BigRedS> windows is basically free, does what whoever wants and has support *everywhere*. why would anyone bother looking elsewhere?
[14:26] <BigRedS> (free as in free beer, obv.)
[14:26] <MooDoo> BigRedS: +1
[14:26] <MooDoo> with my parents it's well it works why do i need to change.
[14:26] <Catbuskris> it's not basically free, it's basically just unavoidable to pay for
[14:26] <JGJones> yup - you go to buy a computer....average joe will just buy a computer...they don't even get that Windows is a operating system. It's just "part of computer".
[14:27] <BigRedS> Catbuskris: Er, if you like. Same difference at the end of the day
[14:27] <MooDoo> you're never going to get people to change unless they are seriously sick of windows
[14:27] <MooDoo> or want something differnt
[14:27] <scoundrel50a> Oh I liked xp, if it wass one OS that I would like to still use it would be that, for windows anyway, I like '98 even better. I wont bother with ftp, I think I have enough ways of accessing my computer, if I need to. One thing though, is there a way to hide/set up a password for a directory?
[14:27] <Catbuskris> i guess the govt doesn't give a toss about it?  i mean, i did "ICT" in school but all we did was screw around with MS excel, never really learned anything about computers
[14:27] <BigRedS> scoundrel50a: you'd need to encrypt it
[14:28] <hamitron> we could get loads of crapware for a linux distro and pay people to use it? ;)
[14:28] <Catbuskris> it makes me buy into the paranoia that governments want their populace to be stupid...
[14:28] <scoundrel50a> how would I do that?
[14:28] <BigRedS> Catbuskris: no, governments are slow
[14:28] <daubers> scoundrel50a: You can "hide" a folder by putting a . at the beggining of the name.... but that's not secure at all really
[14:28] <JGJones> Catbuskris, it's not easy buying a computer without Windows - there's not much places you can get a PC with a linux OS on it.
[14:28] <MooDoo> Catbuskris: i think the gvmt does care about it, but i bet MS is saying "here's a million quid for your schools to use MS products" :)
[14:28] <Catbuskris> heh yeah
[14:28] <Catbuskris> all good points
[14:29] <JGJones> Yeah that's how Apple started out - it was used a lot in schools.
[14:29] <BigRedS> Catbuskris: the government don't see much need to pour the money in to changing it. Where are all these competent IT teachers going to come from? there's already a shortage of IT workers
[14:29] <JGJones> Until Microsoft threw money around.
[14:29] <JGJones> BigRedS, shortage?
[14:29] <scoundrel50a> I should have ticked on the option to encrypt when i installed, it givesthat option and I always say no. :(
[14:29]  * JGJones ponders...why am I STILl looking for a job then? Must be doing something wrong there.
[14:29] <BigRedS> JGJones: Well, I keep hearing people moan about getting hold of good admins
[14:30] <scoundrel50a> brb
[14:30] <Catbuskris> if we're short on something, shouldn't we put more emphasis on it in education?  i guess that's a much mroe general question though
[14:30] <Catbuskris> but i suppose the status quo has a lot of intertia in this case
[14:30] <BigRedS> Catbuskris: only if you perceive school as employment prep. University is, traditionally, where you train teachers
[14:30] <MooDoo> Bring back Y T S :)
[14:30] <Catbuskris> well school is a whole society prep.
[14:30] <daubers> JGJones: What kind of job are you after?
[14:30] <MooDoo> lol
[14:31] <JGJones> daubers, at this point - flexible - sysadmin for example.
[14:32] <daubers> JGJones: Ah, ok.
[14:32] <BigRedS> JGJones: whereaboutS?
[14:32] <JGJones> Leeds
[14:33] <BigRedS> ah, all I've seen is London, and a quick scroll through my mail client doesn't find much
[14:33] <MooDoo> JGJones: ever thought of going contracting?
[14:34] <JGJones> Moodoo - yeah...just started looking at that...
[14:34] <JGJones> however I was informed a lot of these rely on quick access via telephone?
[14:34] <JGJones> ie ring up and ask "you available for this"
[14:35] <BigRedS> I've known people earn a fair bit through that. Pays well but is quite ephermal
[14:36] <BigRedS> "I need you for four days starting in forty-five minutes. Have several £K"
[14:36] <MooDoo> yeah and then nothing for 2 months
[14:36] <JGJones> that can be difficult for me - people can't really ring me.
[14:37] <JGJones> You can text me, IM me, email me, tweet to me etc etc, but my experience tells me too often, if they can't ring me for a voice call, they'll just move on to someone else.
[14:37] <MooDoo> JGJones: how come they can't ring?  not allowed at work?
[14:38] <JGJones> nah, more that I'm deaf :)
[14:38] <MooDoo> JGJones: ah!
[14:39] <JGJones> Can be a pain in the arse - I go out of my way to be as contactable as possible but like I say...can't speak on phone? Bye!
[14:39] <MooDoo> yeah that must suck :(
[14:40] <MooDoo> JGJones: so what about setting up yourself...consultancy?
[14:40] <JGJones> That's what I'm doing now actually :) going to bank this week for business advice.
[14:40] <MooDoo> groovy :)
[14:41] <JGJones> found this - moneypenny.co.uk which might work for me regarding telephone answering.
[14:41] <MooDoo> JGJones: speak to AlanBell about consultancy he does it :)
[14:41] <JGJones> ta I will do that...would be useful to get advice.
[14:42] <MooDoo> JGJones: he does this - http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/
[14:43]  * daubers backs up his home folder
[14:43] <JGJones> daubers, what do you use for doing that? Or just rsync?
[14:43] <daubers> JGJones: Just rsync as it's to a USB disk
[14:44] <daubers> USB disk is bigger than my laptop disk :)
[14:44]  * daubers loves rsync
[14:44] <MooDoo> daubers: how big is the disk? *shocked*
[14:44] <MooDoo> sorry read that wrong
[14:44] <MooDoo> lol
[14:44] <MooDoo> i read disk as pendrive ;) lol
[14:44] <daubers> MooDoo: 1TB USB disk
[14:45] <daubers> hah :)
[14:45] <MooDoo> daubers: sorry being a bit dumb
[14:45] <daubers> If I was worried about capacity I'd back it up to the office RAID which has got a few 10's of TB free
[14:51] <daubers> Might need to raid my parents roof for some of my old books I think
[14:52] <MooDoo> hmmm think i need to upgrade my switch to gigabit
[15:00] <PeteB> Anyone know how to delete all instances of files beginning with '.~lock'? I thought I'd use 'rm -ri .~lock*' but this doesn't work
[15:00] <daubers> MooDoo: Best future proof yourself, get one of these http://stordis.com/catalogue/product/s=fujitsu-xg2600
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ...
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> daubers: there's no kill like overkill
[15:01] <MooDoo> daubers: bit of overkill for my home network lol
[15:01] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I have 2 in the office at the moment......
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> daubers: didn't you work with robots?
[15:02] <daubers> MartijnVdS: No, that sounds more fun though
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> daubers: they'd need 10GigE
[15:02] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I build storage servers for video editing :) When working with uncompressed stuff, you need 10GigE
[15:02] <MooDoo> i think i'll just get a gigabit 8port netgear thanks all the same
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Well.. maybe. :)
[15:03] <daubers> Hmm... rather than mucking around with project management software I made myself a spreadsheet.... I can see why people spend ages writing software for this now
[15:11] <ali1234> popey: fun fact. what people refer to as "HDR" photography is in fact dynamic range compression (the thing that makes pop music sound so obnoxious) applied to imaging
[15:12] <MooDoo> ali1234: under exposed, over exposed and normal all rolled into one :D
[15:13] <ali1234> yes, and then compressed into the colour space of the medium
[15:13] <MooDoo> yaya for photohgraphy :)
[15:13] <ali1234> the end result is to make the contrast between objects in dark areas equal to the contrast between objects in light areas
[15:14] <ali1234> which is the same as what they do with music: make the contrast in quiet parts equal to the contrast in loud parts
[15:14] <popey> ali1234: you saw that nasa video i tweeted?
[15:14] <ali1234> yeah
[15:14] <popey> yeah, i wondered who would pick up on that :D
[15:14] <popey> you win!
[15:15] <scoundrel50a> hi popey: would you be able to take a look at my laptop today, could leave it for another time, if so, I need to change router settings. Its not a problem if you want to leave it.
[15:16] <popey> i can ssh in now
[15:16] <popey> pm me the details
[15:16] <scoundrel50a> ok
[15:21] <andylockran>  /win 6
[15:23] <MooDoo> cooor i think the ubuntu-uk members page needs a bit of love - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members  lots of missing images :)
[15:24] <popey> well volunteered MooDoo !
[15:24] <popey> "It *is* a wiki!"
[15:24] <popey> etc
[15:24] <MooDoo> lol ok :)
[15:29] <MooDoo> popey: do you know if there is a generic avatar image somewhere on the server i can put in place of the missing images on the members page?
[15:30] <Laney> crufty old wiki pages! yay!
[15:31] <Laney> replace it with a link to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+mugshots :-)
[15:32] <MooDoo> Laney: in fact i'll just use that avatar, it will be ok to link to it won't it? - https://launchpad.net/@@/person-mugshot
[15:32] <Laney> I wouldn't bother, but if you insist then it's better to copy it
[15:33] <MooDoo> the page on the wiki is in the style of the site which is why i don't want to linkg to the mugshots page :D
[15:35] <ali1234> i see "keep in launcher" is getting closer to working
[15:36] <ali1234> before it didn't work at all. now the icon stays, but when i click on it nothing happens
[15:36] <ali1234> it's progress i suppose
[15:37] <ali1234> if i rerun the program from the shell i get a second copy of the icon
[15:40] <ali1234> oh nice, now unity has gone invisible
[15:41] <MooDoo> ali1234: you need a level 23 cloak of unity viewing...
[15:42] <ali1234> it's ok. compiz crashed immediately afterwards
[15:42] <MooDoo> ali1234: get past my level 23 mage and i'll pass you one over ;)
[15:42] <ali1234> then it became visible again
[15:42]  * MooDoo is defeated
[15:42] <ali1234> lol the crashdump is 500mb
[15:42] <ali1234> i might send it to launchpad just to be an ass
[15:43] <MooDoo> ali1234: you ass ;)
[15:44] <ali1234> looks like there's already about 10 bugs for this
[15:45] <ali1234> compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_lock_full()
[15:45] <ali1234> ah, it happens every time you do "unity --replace"
[15:52] <andylockran> wow
[15:52] <andylockran> just found a machine that allows ssh logins with the incorrect password
[15:52] <andylockran> you just need to guess the correct username
[15:57] <Lcawte> lol'?
[15:59] <popey> you sure it's sshd running on the box?
[15:59] <popey> and not a bot sat harvesting passwords :D
[16:00] <BigRedS> man. Virtualmin *loves* restarting apache
[16:02] <shauno> andylockran: it's not kippo is it ?
[16:15] <MooDoo> did AlanBell just get voted in as POC seeing as there was no more entries on the election page?
[16:16] <popey> no
[16:16] <popey> he got voted because he was the best person for the job :D
[16:16] <MooDoo> lol ok  :)
[16:17] <davmor2> popey: No you said it wrong, He's the only man for the job :D
[16:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski for president?
[16:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: in fact where is she hiding....?
[16:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's just scary
[16:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: you'd spot us at meetings that you see that lot over there with the black eyes that'll be the Ubuntu-UK posse
[16:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: black eyes?  due to the kickings from czajkowski
[16:19] <MooDoo> ?
[16:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: well if she is president who'd be there to stop her :D
[16:20] <daubers> £51.16 for a set of recovery cds!!!!
[16:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: power to the people, the popular peoples front of Tooting :)
[16:20] <popey> davmor2: for what?
[16:20] <popey> er daubers
[16:20] <daubers> popey: My PB laptop
[16:20] <popey> PB?
[16:21] <MooDoo> packard hell
[16:21] <davmor2> packard bell
[16:21] <MooDoo> er bell :)
[16:21] <daubers> almost cheaper to buy windows through work
[16:21] <popey> oh dear
[16:21] <popey> almost cheaper to buy a mac :D
[16:21] <MooDoo> daubers: it's been pricey like that for 10+ years
[16:23] <JGJones> daubers - hmm Sony wanted £35 for their recovery disk
[16:23] <JGJones> so I got it slightly easier.
[16:24] <JGJones> Didn't buy it though. I just got an OEM ISO by magic and just used the serial that came with the laptop along with drivers off the support page.
[16:25] <ujjain> What's the English term for "monk work", extremely much work that is not useful?
[16:25] <daubers> JGJones: How do you do that?
[16:25] <JGJones> daubers, get the ISO?
[16:25] <daubers> JGJones: from where?
[16:26] <JGJones> The Power of Google
[16:26] <JGJones> (it's a torrent)
[16:26] <popey> ujjain: never heard the phrase monk work
[16:26] <daubers> JGJones: I'm trying to be good :(
[16:26] <davmor2> daubers: see my pm
[16:26] <MooDoo> donkey work?
[16:26] <popey> ujjain: and googling "monk work" doesn't show up any reliable hits
[16:26] <JGJones> daubers, I know. I just looked for a uncracked OEM
[16:27] <JGJones> daubers, the way I see it, the ISO I have, I'm not breaking any licences - I already have a OEM serial number that was on the laptop so I'm just using this same serial number.
[16:27] <popey> You see it wrong.
[16:27] <daubers> and MS wonder why piracy is a problem
[16:27] <popey> Torrenting the ISO is _not_ legal how ever you "look" at it
[16:28] <ujjain> popey: hmm, I think it's related to a Greek person in Hell that puts up bolders up on a rock.
[16:28] <JGJones> popey, I know it's wrong. Still, I've done it anyway.
[16:28] <BigRedS> ujjain: there's definitely an entry inthe jargon file for that
[16:28] <BigRedS> but I don't remember what it is
[16:29] <popey> heh
[16:29] <BigRedS> useful as ever :)
[16:29] <ujjain> but the rock falls down again, before he reaches the top.
[16:29] <ujjain> he has to get a rock upon a hill or something.
[16:30] <popey> so tedious repetitive work?
[16:30] <JGJones> popey, anyway, piracy for MS is much worse in China ;-)
[16:30] <ali1234> sisyphus
[16:30] <popey> ahhh
[16:30] <popey> bless you
[16:30] <popey> etc
[16:30] <ujjain> Yes!! Sisyphus! :D
[16:31] <daubers> I think you're talking about promethius
[16:31] <ali1234> no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus
[16:31] <ujjain> well, my explanations are often horribly wrong, but I meant sisyphus.
[16:32] <ali1234> ujjain: lots of people wouldn't understand this reference, normally you'd just say "busy work" ie work meant only to keep someone busy, and without point to it
[16:32] <ujjain> I see, I have to import 150 albums manually in a gallery script.
[16:33] <ujjain> I uploaded it, it requires manual addition of each album, it takes 2min for each page to loda, because it generates thumbnails.
[16:33] <ujjain> Is that not Sisyphus work?
[16:33] <ali1234> not really
[16:33] <ali1234> it's more like painting the forth bridge
[16:34] <ujjain> Ah, but that's not really an international English idiom.
[16:34] <ujjain> but it's a pretty cool one.
[16:34] <ali1234> the point about sisyphus is he never had anothing to show from his work, it was the same rock over and over :)
[16:34] <ujjain> Yes, it's not really the same.
[16:36] <ali1234> what's really cool is that the sisyphus episode of ulysses 31 (an anime retelling with spaceships and robots) is on youtube, and this is the place where i first heard of the story
[16:37] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zERnjEQUA
[16:37] <ali1234> first part ^
[16:37] <ujjain> I'll bookmark it and watch it during dinner.
[16:50] <daubers> PB's justification effectually falls down to the fact that they invalidate the licence for that copy of windows and sell you a new one
[16:51] <daubers> Promethius was the guy who had his liver eaten every day.... must have got my wires crossed :) Sorry!
[17:11] <MooDoo> blimey have i been in launchpad since 2006?  woah!!
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you're getting old ;)
[17:12] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: well i know that already :)
[17:12] <MooDoo> big 40 next year lol
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> awww
[17:12]  * oimon has returned to the real world after a 3 day ITIL course :)
[17:12] <MooDoo> oimon: how exciting :)
[17:13] <oimon> i need a lobotomy
[17:13] <MooDoo> full frontal lobotomy or full bottls in front o me!
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Expert or back-alley job?
[17:13] <oimon> has anything exciting in the world happened since monday morning? i haven't taken in any other infromation for the last 72 hours
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's IPv6 day
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon: have a celebratory beer/whiskey/drink of choice
[17:14] <oimon> MartijnVdS: my employer paid for training course
[17:14] <oimon> looking forard to glass of port and shortbread
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon: no the lobotomy.. do you want an expert to do it, or a shady figure in a dark alley
[17:14] <oimon> although results take 4 weeks to appear
[17:15] <oimon> hopefully spending an hour with my 1 yr old should restore me to huimanity
[17:15] <oimon> i also managed to access twitter/facebook only couple of times a day, and not touch irc since friday :)
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> welcome back though
[17:18] <oimon> ta
[17:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Finding live music with Songkick - http://popey.com/blog/2011/06/08/finding-live-music-with-songkick/
[17:30] <daubers> \o/ for my ADSL line today
[17:30] <daubers> 1.39M/s    ETA 18:53
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> daubers: woo 14mbit
[17:30] <dutchie> woo, janet
[17:31] <dutchie> :P
[17:32] <daubers> should finish downloading by the time I get home :p
[17:34]  * daubers heads home
[17:50] <Core_UK> Evening all
[17:54] <jacobw> evening Core_UK
[17:55] <Core_UK> hey jacobw
[17:56] <Core_UK> Can I asked, what does ubuntu-uk do?
[17:56] <Azelphur> Core_UK: http://ubuntu-uk.org/
[17:56] <Core_UK> Yeah I read that
[17:57] <Core_UK> Advocating
[17:57] <Core_UK> and support
[17:57] <Core_UK> etc
[17:57] <Core_UK> But as members, what does that involve/
[17:58] <davmor2> Core_UK: How do you mean?  As members that is what we do?
[18:01] <Core_UK> As members of the LoCo, what activities do you do?
[18:01] <Core_UK> if that makes sense?
[18:03] <davmor2> Core_UK: Right so as a Loco we have geeknics, days together, mostly down South as that is where the bulk of the users are etc etc etc why?
[18:03] <Core_UK> Whats a geeknic?
[18:04] <Core_UK> Just interested
[18:04] <Core_UK> I live in the UK so.. :)
[18:04] <davmor2> Picnic for geeks
[18:04] <Core_UK> haha
[18:04] <Core_UK> nice
[18:04] <Core_UK> a guess wifi makes them possible? :)
[18:04] <Core_UK> I*
[18:05] <jacobw> I'm not there's much use of WiFi goes on.
[18:05] <Core_UK> food and beer?
[18:05] <Core_UK> and banter
[18:05] <jacobw> I think so :)
[18:05] <Core_UK> ^.^
[18:06] <Core_UK> I live in Blackpool though
[18:06] <jacobw> I live in Leed
[18:06] <jacobw> s
[18:06] <Core_UK> not too far away :)
[18:07] <jacobw> There's quite a lot of Linux groups in Manchester
[18:07] <jacobw> I go to Bradford LUG over here
[18:07] <Core_UK> There is a LUG in Blackpool
[18:07] <Core_UK> feel a bit silly turning up by myself though
[18:09] <jacobw> I felt like that first time I went
[18:09] <jacobw> Have they got a mailing list? (I'm certain they will have)
[18:09] <Core_UK> Yeah
[18:09] <Core_UK> I presume so
[18:10] <Core_UK> I will go look now :)
[18:10] <jacobw> Send a mail the list saying you'd like to come to a meeting, someone will mail back saying "Welcome aboard, this is how you find us" etc.
[18:11] <jacobw> Then you'll know a few names and a few people will know your name
[18:12] <Core_UK> What kind of activities take place at LUG meetings?
[18:14] <jacobw> Talks and tutorials
[18:14] <jacobw> People organising further meetings to do other things etc
[18:15] <jacobw> The last one I went to, someone was doing a talk on mapping with QuantumGIS
[18:15] <jacobw> A few of the group are in to mapping so they've organised to meet and map an area of Bradford
[18:16] <jacobw> Quite a lot of "Where is Linux now?" and "What can we do to spread Linux in our area?"
[18:17] <Core_UK> I see
[18:17] <Core_UK> How long do the meetings you attend tend to last jacobw ?
[18:19] <Azelphur> I live in margate, no Linux down here :(
[18:19] <jacobw> 2 hours, although there's coffee and food beforehand as well as a pub visit afterwards for interested parties
[18:21] <Core_UK> ^^
[18:21] <Core_UK> Not heard of Margate before :)
[18:22] <Core_UK> that's not bad
[18:22] <jacobw> It's like the Blackpool of the south isn't it?
[18:22] <Core_UK> oo of course
[18:22] <Core_UK> I have
[18:22] <Core_UK> Just didn't click reading it lol
[19:02] <daubers> Evening
[19:05] <bigcalm> Feels like midnight
[19:10] <bigcalm> Not being able to use skype while in France is really hampering my homeward communications
[19:13] <Core_UK> czn you not use gtalk or yahoo etc
[19:13] <bigcalm> Family don't use those
[19:13] <bigcalm> Skype was working
[19:13]  * bigcalm blames something or other
[19:14] <Core_UK> only a few clicks to install it :)
[19:14] <Core_UK> think you can do VoIP in gmail also
[19:14] <Core_UK> I know I have used webcam in gmail
[19:14] <Core_UK> while the wife is in the US
[19:23] <Core_UK> Didn't ubuntu software centre used to have reviews?
[19:25] <davmor2> Core_UK: It does now didn't before
[19:25] <Core_UK> 11.04 only?
[19:26] <davmor2> yeap
[19:28] <davmor2> Core_UK: why do you ask?
[19:29]  * popey wonders if anyone is actually looking at bug 649809
[19:29] <popey> and the many duplicates
[19:34]  * bigcalm reboots to windows for a giggle
[19:36] <Core_UK> davmor2, Because I remember seeing them but now I dont
[19:36] <Core_UK> davmor2, I had to revert to 10.10 though
[19:36] <davmor2> Core_UK: yeap that would do it :)
[19:43] <shauno> heh, the "windows 2000" bug .. that hasn't been squished yet?
[19:49] <JGJones> jacobw - for those LUG meetings - what usually happen? Wouldn't mind going to one, but I'm crap at lipreading but if being geeks, they bring laptops and setup local chat, then that's great.
[19:49] <Core_UK> lol
[19:50] <JGJones> bigcalm - it would be a good idea for you to do gtalk video - it's very good...as good as skype and you can use it with Empathy (video/voice included)
[19:51] <Core_UK> JGJones, you can do it via gmail also (webmail) just need a plugin but its packaged for ubuntu (by google)
[19:51] <ali1234> empathy gtalk only works with other empathy users
[19:52] <ali1234> if you use the flash web plugin, you can't call empathy users, and they can't call you
[19:52] <JGJones> ali1234, ah I didn't realise that...I've used Empathy to talk to Google Talk on Android I think...
[19:53] <ali1234> you can do audio i think
[19:53] <ali1234> just not video
[19:53] <JGJones> Android 3.1 that is as that comes with video support for google talk
[19:53] <ali1234> it's down to supported codecs
[19:53] <JGJones> I'll have to check again, but I'm sure I did it Empathy to Google Talk?
[19:54] <JGJones> Flash intend to support WebM, and it's open...I'm sure that would solve the codecs issues.
[19:54] <ali1234> yes, i suppose it would
[19:54] <ali1234> when they get around to implementing it
[19:54] <ali1234> which, knowing adobe, will take about 3 years
[19:55] <JGJones> and then.....it'll be The Year of Linux Desktop!
[19:55] <jibadeeha> nice to see chrome now supports GNOME global menu bar
[19:58] <dwatkins> hooray
[19:58] <dwatkins> I like it when it's the year of the linux desktop.
[20:01] <dwatkins> seriously, though, that sounds really good for video in general
[20:05] <JGJones> dunno why Google still keep h264 support in chrome though. Majority of browsers in use that can do html5 video all support WebM, while H264 in HTML5 video is in a very very small minority
[20:06] <JGJones> The only holdout would be Safari really (IE9 can support WebM via a google codec installer)
[20:08] <dwatkins> It all confuses me, as there are so many codecs and it's not a 1-to-1 mapping with file extensions.
[20:08] <dwatkins> I know there are codecs and containers, I just don't often have cause to get into the details of it.
[20:11] <dwatkins> I should really get more familiar with it as I support a product which uses video conferencing.
[22:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E08  Caught Somewhere in Time - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/06/08/s04e08-caught-somewhere-in-time/
[22:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Burnout Prevention Tutorial Session Tomorrow - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/08/burnout-prevention-tutorial-session-tomorrow/
[23:01] <shauno> that deb-proxy stuff that kashul was playing with for so long .. is any of that setup by default?
[23:16] <_luke_skywalker_> howdy peeps
[23:48] <shauno> seems I totalled 3 hosts sending mail via v6 today :/  and going back thru my logs, seems they didn't just start today
[23:49] <shauno> gmail and yahoo stuck with v4, despite being some of the bigger names to ipv6day.  all a bit meh really