[00:10] <kdub> ububuntu
[00:12] <seidos> obomobo
[01:21] <pleia2> helizabeth@r2d2:~$ host -t aaaa ubuntu-california.org
[01:21] <pleia2> ubuntu-california.org has IPv6 address 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe96:f4c4
[01:21] <pleia2> \o.
[01:29]  * pleia2 sees some ipv6 addresses she doesn't recognize in the apache logs \o/
[17:17]  * iheartubuntu thinks dave better attend the "burnout" session. he checkmarked "all of the above" on the pdf
[17:19] <seidos> wuzzat dave?  asks HAL-9000
[17:21] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: thanks for updating twitter
[17:21] <pleia2> :)
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> np!
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> i never did ask, should i do the posts for the IRC meetings too?
[17:22] <pleia2> I think DarkwingDuck and I have those covered
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> seidos: computing... computing...
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> ok coolness
[17:24] <akk> If "ping6 -c 5 ubuntu-california.org" says "network unreachable", that means my router or my ISP isn't IPv6 ready?
[17:25] <pleia2> yeah
[17:25] <sn9> crap, my he.net stuff won't be ready in time for ipv6 day
[17:26] <pleia2> http://test-ipv6.com/ will tell you if you have ipv6 connectivity
[17:26] <sn9> oh well, at least i'm doing stuff
[17:26] <pleia2> sn9: ipv6 day started 16.5 hours ago :)
[17:26] <sn9> right
[17:26] <pleia2> I have an he.net tunnel running on my firewall/2nd desktop, so only that machine on my network has ipv6
[17:27] <akk> Actually given that we got our DSL cablemodem something like 8 years ago, I guess I shouldn't be surprised if IPv6 doesn't work.
[17:28] <pleia2> most ISPs in the US haven't rolled it out, and there are only a handful of consumer routers that support it
[17:28] <sn9> i am trying to migrate dns hosting to he.net in the same step
[17:28] <pleia2> you would have gotten a new modem within the past year or so if your isp was rolling it out
[17:28] <pleia2> sn9: ah :)
[17:28] <sn9> editdns and everydns are going away
[17:29] <sn9> although i might still go back to zoneedit
[17:29] <pleia2> I use linode's dns manager for most everything now
[17:29] <pleia2> my sister uses zoneedit, she seems to like them
[17:29] <sn9> but what i see of he.net's dns manager so far i mostly like
[17:30] <sn9> i switched away from zoneedit because they wouldn't support SRV records for google apps
[17:30] <pleia2> ah
[17:30] <sn9> they are starting to support them now
[17:31] <pleia2> I know a lot of the free dns providers weren't offering aaaa records for a while
[17:32] <iheartubuntu> so do you go into your network settings in ubuntu and also change the ipv6 settings?
[17:32] <iheartubuntu> i think google offered its own settings, didnt they? i tried something out months ago and it was blocking websites
[17:32] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: for a tunnel?
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> im not that knowledgeable on the topic... but i was adding in a ipv4 or ipv6 address
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> OMG addressed it like late last year
[17:34] <pleia2> to use ipv6 your isp needs to support it, comcast has done a few trials around the country and a couple small ISPs have deployed it
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> it must have been ipv4 then
[17:34] <pleia2> so you'll get a new modem and you'll need to replace your router at home
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> so i was bypassing my ISP and using googles?
[17:34] <akk> Weird that big ISPs still aren't getting to it.
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> what is ipv6 supposed to do?
[17:35] <pleia2> google doesn't offer tunnels, you think for a while you could sign up to be part of their trial where they'd always try to serve you their ipv6 page first, but w/o ipv6 you'd just fall back to ipv6
[17:36] <pleia2> akk: it's complicated :( comcast has been pouring tons of money into it and they are actually transit providers for IPv6 in the midwest, but it's super expensive to deploy to customers because most sites online still don't support ipv6 so they need to offer both AND have their customers have ipv6 enabled routers
[17:37] <pleia2> most big ISPs are just going to send their customers over a NAT to stretch out their pool of ipv4 addresses, which will be a nightmware too (particularly for support), but doesn't require replacing all hardware
[17:37] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the world ran out of ipv4 addresses earlier this year, ipv6 is a much much larger addressspace, so we shouldn't run out :)
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> ahh ok
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> are there any benefits like speed
[17:38] <pleia2> not speed
[17:39] <pleia2> it was actually designed for the modern internet though (ipv6 was not) so it has things like better header data, is more easily extendable and in theory better security
[17:40] <pleia2> a google search for "advantages of ipv6" can find articles that explain these things more thoroughly than I can though :)
[17:42] <nhaines> pleia2: you keep saying ipv6 when I think you mean ipv4.
[17:42] <pleia2> err, yeah, (ipv4 was not)
[17:43] <nhaines> IPv6 is more secure because no one understands the new addressing scheme so it's harder to hack you.
[17:43] <akk> heh
[17:43] <pleia2> pratically we were running out of space anyway so while we're changing it it all we might as well add new shiny bits to it as well to make the internet better
[17:43] <pleia2> haha
[17:44] <nhaines> pleia2: is there an evil bit in IPv6?
[17:44] <pleia2> there is always an evil bit
[17:44] <pleia2> I mean, of course not, ipv6 is the best thing ever and all good and ponies :)
[17:45] <nhaines> RFC 3514 came out at just the right time during my networking classes to enjoy and share with the class.  :)
[17:45] <pleia2> hehe
[17:45] <pleia2> we had a talk at plug once about all the april fools rfcs
[17:45] <pleia2> good times
[17:49] <seidos> connected vs unconnected might be considered a "speed" improvement
[17:50] <nhaines> I also loved IP over avian carrier, but my CCNA teacher scoffed when, a couple years later, the article came out that some students had actually implemented it and sent ICMP ECHO packets.
[17:51] <nhaines> IP via avian carrier is also affected by collisions and congestion, but it also implements self-correcting routing and the roundtrip ping time was something like 3.5 hours.  :)
[17:51] <pleia2> hehe
[17:55] <crashsystems> don't want to play WOW over that connection
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> no?
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> computer joke: A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!
[17:57] <akk> As they say, IPvAvian can have fairly good bandwidth but the latency is terrible.
[18:00] <nhaines> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes speeding down the highway.
[18:08] <nhaines> akk: IPvAvian is also affected by worms.
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> seidos anyone else here who might attend the Pasadena Ubuntu Hour this thurs... aftwards is the monthly SGVLUG meeting at Cal Tech which will have a presentation from the Cal Tech Solar Decathlon discussing solar energy and solar powered net-zero house.
[19:27] <seidos> iheartubuntu: i don't think so
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> i gonna be there for the UH but not the LUG
[19:36] <seidos> i'd like to be there, but getting there is a problem for me right now
[19:37] <seidos> maybe i should just watch real genius
[19:37] <seidos> why would someone need a laser with that kind of power that only lasts for 14 seconds anyway?
[19:37] <seidos> :P
[23:12] <dragon> I just heard again from my army friend. The Commanding Officer of his chalk has made Linux mandatory for all work computers.
[23:13] <kdub> whats a chalk
[23:13] <dragon> It's a unit of the size of about a company.
[23:14] <dragon> It is a company, basically, of about 60-80.
[23:18] <kdub> thats pretty cool. the military has been saying they're switching over for some time now
[23:19] <kdub> jono: looking forward to that presentation tomorrow
[23:20]  * kdub feels oss burnout :(
[23:20]  * pleia2 hugs kdub 
[23:20] <kdub> haha, thanks pleia2
[23:21] <pleia2> :)
[23:21] <nhaines> OSS isn't a way of life, it's just a set of really handy tools.
[23:21] <nhaines> So take a step back, a deep breath, and enjoy the technology.  :)
[23:21] <nhaines> All the "fun" event stuff will still be around later.
[23:36] <kdub> right, of course. that statement probably had a sadder connotation than i actually wanted to convey :P
[23:37] <kdub> err, impression
[23:37] <kdub> i guess words have connotations, sentences have more of an impression
[23:44] <nhaines> Something like that.  But we know what you meant.  :)