[00:22] Man, I'm listening to WDET talking about the city of Detroit [00:22] that's a mistake [00:22] Talk about a fucked city. [00:23] There's no money, and they're fighting over what little is left. [00:24] And it's all more corrupt than a third-world nation [00:27] Um, this is weird. [00:28] Soundjuicer doesn't show a launcher icon [01:44] so the wife isn't warm to the idea of moving to seattle [01:48] Could've told you that. [01:51] but do see a seattle job on python job board [01:53] though there is a google office there it looks like [02:13] score. I'm on the roof of the porch with the laptop. *much* cooler out here [02:29] greg-g: awesome! [02:29] cooler is better [02:30] i need a non code book to read...hmmm... [02:30] I wish I had a porch. My apartment is stinking hot. [02:34] yeah, we don't have the porch, just the roof to the porch :) [02:34] second story apartment and all [02:34] ah [02:34] less buggy up high, good stuff [02:46] Yoooo [02:47] ? [02:48] ...name not found [02:49] what name [02:50] Yoooo :) [02:50] yooo [02:50] you like dank? [02:50] speaking greek to me [02:59] rick_h_: less buggy, but still kinda buggy :) [03:00] yea, we have misquito issues, but have found that 2nd story helps a ton [03:21] rick_h_ does that tagbar plugin work in console vim? [03:21] the screenshots all look to be in gvim [03:22] Running backups on my machine now. :) [03:22] And yes, it's hot as hell out there [03:22] I've got the air conditioning on [03:23] man, run two rsyncs, and watch everything burn [03:23] I finally put in my window unit in the bedroom so we can sleep tonight [03:24] Yeah, we did that last week [03:24] * widox doesn't have central ac [03:24] Neither do we [03:28] heh: http://twitter.com/#!/gortok/status/76647922065883136 [03:29] widox: not tried it yet [03:29] that first link blows my mind [03:29] looks lke it's cool [03:30] Blazeix: ruh roh [03:31] https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/feature%2Fauth/bookie/models/auth.py#L65 if anyone wants me to do anything different lol [03:32] Oh dear god [03:32] I see those things Blazeix and then cry because I know how work does things [03:32] and I've pushed for them to fix it, but hasn't happened on several apps [03:33] I mean, one app, the usernames are $level_$id [03:33] and $id == the password [03:33] "but it's ip limited to only their network space..." :( [03:33] haha, those are some awesome functions in that pastbin... :-/ [03:33] But but but... I replaced ; with '', so it should't run [03:34] any time you see " secureSuperGlobalPOST" you know you're doomed [03:35] The third link is precious too [03:35] yea, so glad there's a mad rush to md5 [03:35] yay for the base64 of our day [03:36] I'm just waiting for the rot13 and md5sum security [04:51] Good night, everyone. See you tomorrow. [12:49] Why does this frighten me? https://identi.ca/notice/75739526 [12:50] http://identi.ca/group/rantofabkuhn [12:52] afraid of competition? [12:52] hardly [12:53] Different goals, and it seems they're not ranting about FLOSS [12:58] This is what the difference between the Ubuntu Conucil and the JCP is in a nutshell: https://identi.ca/notice/75742081 [12:59] ouch, that's a scary podcast [13:01] snap-l: nice, link us to your identica post that links to the article [13:01] you're a real slashdotter [13:01] hah, publicity artist at his best [13:02] Yeah, I need to monetize my identi.ca. ;) [13:14] uh oh, this guy started following me on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/Piracy_Patrol [13:15] greg-g! I never thought you'd be a wrong doer like that [13:16] * greg-g hangs head [13:16] I'm guessing it was because of the court case I tweeted yesterday [13:21] you have angered the man. now he is tracking your every tweet [13:22] can you feel the spy satellite looking through your window? [13:25] luckily, the angle I have of the window goes directly towards another building that is very close (20 feet) away, so the satellites can't see me. but if I peak my head around like this....... then they can see me. [13:34] reflections [13:34] they can take a 1" reflection of you from a window across the street and watch. don't you watch CSI or NCIS? [13:35] "enhance that image. enhance it again. and again. and again." Turning that 4 pixel area into the resolution of a widscreen LCD. [13:39] snap-l: how's natty treating you now that you've got a fresh install? [13:42] man, I am dragging today...ugh [13:43] snap-l: yea, we should do a lococast before you calm down too much :P [13:53] Well, Natty is OK, but there's a lot of rough edges [13:54] "As of today, we have killed 1.75 million files containing our client's content. #copyright www.piracypatrol.com" [13:54] hopefully they got some of the originals too [13:55] I've had to change how I use my machine [13:55] Oh, and upgrading? Yeah... I'd recommend not doing that. [13:55] Reinstall [13:56] At least, not if you're going from LTS to 11.04 [13:58] that sounds so familiar [14:00] I even went so far as to trash my home directory and just copy over what I needed [14:00] though that's mostly because certain apps were acting wonky (banshee apparently doesn't behave well when you delete a bunch of files) [14:00] i love that armin ronacher (flask) is at djangocon europe. he is providing much material for me [14:00] (who knew?) [14:01] Ugh, it's already 86 in this room [14:01] ouch [14:01] and it's not even 9am [14:01] AC [14:02] basement time here for sure [14:02] what are you, Dutch? turn on the air! [14:02] brousch: Air is in... in the bedroom [14:02] not the computer room. :) [14:02] laptops ftw [14:03] * rick_h_ is chillin in the recliner with pandora on the roku going [14:03] you guys are just full of answers. ;) [14:03] s/answers/shit/ ;) [14:05] i would not want to work from home without AC [14:06] tomorrow high 82 [14:06] should be more reasonable [14:06] brousch: started to try to get to seattle [14:06] wife isn't warming up to it, but checked out and there's a google office hiring out there [14:06] more important to find work for her though [14:07] maybe I'd apply for those canonical jobs and do the fulltime remote again [14:08] i think there's a big software company in seattle [14:08] did you see if they're hiring? [14:09] man, good looking weekend coming [14:09] 71, 77, 75 [14:09] rick_h_: i would also like to draw your attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Climate [14:10] I'm not cool enough to be in CA [14:14] Good morning, Wolfger [14:15] * snap-l is glad he bought some CDs from Bandcamp, because unfortunately you can't re-download albums after a certain period [14:16] not really it isn't :-/ [14:16] but at least I'm back in the good ol' USA :-) [14:36] anyone play with google music yet? trying to understand why i would want google music instead of amazon music [14:37] jjesse: nope, no interest. Can't buy music so not interested [14:37] theres some free music to start you out with that you can stream, then you upload all your music to them [14:37] and i doubt there is a *nix friendly version of the uploaded [14:38] uploader [14:38] I guess my big question about that is since I rip to FLAC, how much space is available? [14:38] there was a ppa of a wine packaged uploader [14:38] and does it support FLAC? [14:38] 20k songs [14:38] not sure on flac [14:38] but if i buy an album w/ amazon i get 20gigs of cloud storage for amazon music [14:38] right, but that's not promised for next year [14:39] coule be initial offer, but who knows [14:41] so i upload my music to either google/amazon/apple or Ubuntu One [14:42] yes [14:42] but apple doesn't have streaming [14:42] it does 'sycning' [14:42] http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20069418-12.html [14:47] snap-l: looks like natty's not the only problem upgrade: mitsuhiko 9:34am via Echofon: When upgrading to iOS5, make sure to do backups. Lost a month of contact's worth [14:47] Oh that's brilliant [15:16] gamerchick02: dude, totally do an Ubuntu Hour up there with Matt! [15:16] gamerchick02: Also, congrats on the interview! [15:17] yeah, ditto on that too [15:17] madison heights eh? That's awful close to CHC land :) [15:17] I wish bands would make it easier for me to give them money for their album [15:17] Trying to find a link, download, or God-knows-what for MIND:|:SHREDDER [15:18] :) [15:18] thanks! [15:18] AND, my internet was turned ON this morning!!! [15:18] *happydance* [15:18] *boogie down* [15:18] CHC, rick_h_? [15:18] gamerchick02: What the hell was with that? [15:19] CHC == CoffeeHouseCoders [15:19] I've never heard of an ISP taking 12 days to get internet reconnected. [15:19] coffeehousecoders [15:19] AT&T shut off our phone for no reason [15:19] earthlink shut off our internet due to no dialtone [15:19] sorry, UH:CHC now [15:19] earthlink has been trying to get us back online, but AT&T was blocking their setup. [15:19] lame [15:20] i think my friend Zack talked to his sister, she kicked some union ass, and they put the order through [15:20] because Earthlink has to get AT&T to release the line for DSL [15:20] Zack's sister works for AT&T. [15:20] thanks, greg-g and rick_h_. [15:20] CHC would be fun to attend [15:25] good interview: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2011/06/07/whats-your-start-up-bus-count-7-myths-of-entrepreneurship-and-programming/ [15:29] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/system76-serval-professional-review massive review from the OMG!Ubuntu guys of the Serval Pro. not sure if everyone has seen this or not already. i'm a little late. *ahem* [15:31] rick_h_: I like it [15:32] the interview or the review, greg-g? [15:37] the interview [15:38] oh. i'm catching up on articles that i haven't had a chance to read. i'll get to it... [15:39] what's the correct way to check if a list has something at a certain index? if list[2]: do_stuff [15:40] that gives a key error if the index doesn't exist. do i really have to wrap this in a try except? [15:40] if len(list) >= X? [15:41] well, i'm actually grabbing from the end of the list [15:41] try: except? [15:41] huh? they're sequential [15:41] Do you care what the index is? [15:41] the list is either longer than your idx or not [15:41] or just the contents of the end of the list? [15:41] i have a list and want the last 3 items, but sometimes there's only 1 item in the list [15:41] I'd use pop [15:41] with a try / except [15:41] if len(list) >= abs(idx) [15:42] if you're doing idx == -3 or someting [15:43] ah, i see [15:43] getting them from the end was messing with my head [15:43] cool [15:44] Are you treating this like a queue? [15:44] or a stack? [15:48] a list [15:48] appending items to it, but not really removing them [15:48] lol [15:49] using a list as a list?! how dare you! [15:49] i realized my data is so small i can stick it in a list instead of a real database [15:49] why not use append? [15:49] i do use append [15:50] OK... [15:50] but i really only care about the 3 newest ones [15:50] until one of them goes bad, then i'll remove it [15:51] Ah, OK [15:52] Whenever I see something where someone is using the end of a list for something, I start wondering if they're trying to implement a stack or queue or ... [15:52] * snap-l better get out his "jump to conclusions mat" [15:56] Anyone know of a way to get SoundJuicer / Banshee to do local lookups for CDDB? [15:56] change the database location? [16:42] Sheesh... watch out for flying bears, now. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/2-people-die-as-bear-flies-through-suv/?hpt=hp_t2 [16:46] OK< I did not see that coming. [17:01] wolfger: I love that in the article they mentioned that no alcohol or drugs were involved [17:04] man, porting to postgrs is a lesson on the absolute crap sqlite/mysql let you get away with [17:07] it's not crap if it works. it's fertalizer! [17:14] binbrain: I'm wondering if they tested the bear... [17:50] Why is MusicBrainz so impenetrable? === DBO is now known as DBOut [18:01] snap-l: the z on the end should have tipped you off [18:10] have you ever met/seen the guy who started MusicBrainz? [18:12] I'll let you guess which one of these Robert Kayes he is: http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=962&q=Robert+Kaye [18:14] the one with the nice ass and the red skirt? [18:28] I'm sure he's the one with the shaved head art [18:28] I think it's a neat concept, but damn if it isn't frustrating as hell to get info in and or out of it [18:29] doing my part by trying to update the indo [18:29] info, even [18:29] But it's a real hassle [18:32] If Banshee doesn't have the right disc ID, it'll just bomb out [18:33] i think CHC/UH is about to fire up in GR [18:33] even though all of the results are the same damn album from Picard. [18:33] jean luc? [18:34] No, the music brainz lookup program [18:34] Which, incidentally, is the only way to do any lookups of CD IDs [18:39] But, I'm sure like most OSS things, my right to bitch is directly proportional to how far my sleeves are rolled up. :) [18:52] ARGH! http://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/cfw1kqALZW8hKA7bvh1womooApk- [18:54] Something tells me Banshee can't handle multiple releases [18:54] what about it? [19:34] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110531/00303814468/dubious-record-label-insists-it-has-patent-pending-method-to-guarantee-platinum-selling-album.shtml [19:34] Wasn't the schmoo at CHC selling Zer01 VOIP? [19:34] Or was that something else? [19:35] schmoo? [19:36] snap-l: no idea [19:36] I tried hard ot block it all out [19:47] rick_h_: you follow ossmichigan rss feed? [19:47] brousch: yea [19:48] hm, wait, these came from decafbad, isn't that snap-l? [19:48] no [19:48] lmorchord [19:48] a couple of old posts about delicious popped up there [19:49] https://twitter.com/#!/lmorchard [19:49] yea, he's the guy that gave me the massive.xml for testing [19:49] 16k bookmarks and 7k tags [19:49] ok [19:53] Yeah, decafbad.com is lmorchard. [19:53] ignore me. he must've changed something so the ossmichigan planet reposted his stuff. [19:54] yea, he's been updating his block to jeckell [19:54] or whatever it is [19:54] these posts are from december [21:19] OK, I have a quick quiz for everyone here [21:19] this is a 30 second quiz. No fair googling [21:19] 30 seconds begins after I post the question. [21:19] ready? [21:20] What's the command for the Disk Utility that ships with Ubuntu. [21:20] Time's UP! [21:20] Pencils down [21:21] If you guessed palimpsest, you are correct. [21:21] I was going to guess 'du'... [21:21] or maybe df [21:22] Well, considering those actually have "disk" somewhere in the name, that would make sense. [21:22] "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again. " [21:23] alias blimpiset=palimpsest [21:24] Now, granted, I do like it when a command teaches me something about the world we live in [21:25] but not when I'm trying to figure out what said command is. ;) [22:21] snap-l: what happened to boabab? [22:21] I thoght that was the thing, hated that name as well [23:12] byobu? [23:16] baobab, the disk usage gui [23:21] baobab appears to only be a disk analyzer, disk utility can mount, format, etc. [23:29] Still a badly named utility.