[00:22] <snap-l> Man, I'm listening to WDET talking about the city of Detroit
[00:22] <rick_h_> that's a mistake
[00:22] <snap-l> Talk about a fucked city.
[00:23] <snap-l> There's no money, and they're fighting over what little is left.
[00:24] <snap-l> And it's all more corrupt than a third-world nation
[00:27] <snap-l> Um, this is weird.
[00:28] <snap-l> Soundjuicer doesn't show a launcher icon
[01:44] <rick_h_> so the wife isn't warm to the idea of moving to seattle
[01:48] <snap-l> Could've told you that.
[01:51] <rick_h_> but do see a seattle job on python job board
[01:53] <rick_h_> though there is a google office there it looks like
[02:13] <greg-g> score. I'm on the roof of the porch with the laptop. *much* cooler out here
[02:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome!
[02:29] <rick_h_> cooler is better
[02:30] <rick_h_> i need a non code book to read...hmmm...
[02:30] <devinheitmueller> I wish I had a porch.  My apartment is stinking hot.
[02:34] <greg-g> yeah, we don't have the porch, just the roof to the porch :)
[02:34] <greg-g> second story apartment and all
[02:34] <devinheitmueller> ah
[02:34] <rick_h_> less buggy up high, good stuff
[02:46] <slapshot> Yoooo
[02:47] <slapshot> ?
[02:48] <rick_h_> ...name not found
[02:49] <slapshot> what name
[02:50] <rick_h_> Yoooo :)
[02:50] <slapshot> yooo
[02:50] <slapshot> you like dank?
[02:50] <rick_h_> speaking greek to me
[02:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: less buggy, but still kinda buggy :)
[03:00] <rick_h_> yea, we have misquito issues, but have found that 2nd story helps a ton
[03:21] <widox>  rick_h_ does that tagbar plugin work in console vim?
[03:21] <widox> the screenshots all look to be in gvim
[03:22] <snap-l> Running backups on my machine now. :)
[03:22] <snap-l> And yes, it's hot as hell out there
[03:22] <snap-l> I've got the air conditioning on
[03:23] <snap-l> man, run two rsyncs, and watch everything burn
[03:23] <widox> I finally put in my window unit in the bedroom so we can sleep tonight
[03:24] <snap-l> Yeah, we did that last week
[03:24]  * widox doesn't have central ac
[03:24] <snap-l> Neither do we
[03:28] <Blazeix> heh: http://twitter.com/#!/gortok/status/76647922065883136
[03:29] <rick_h_> widox: not tried it yet
[03:29] <Blazeix> that first link blows my mind
[03:29] <rick_h_> looks lke it's cool
[03:30] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ruh roh
[03:31] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/feature%2Fauth/bookie/models/auth.py#L65 if anyone wants me to do anything different lol
[03:32] <snap-l> Oh dear god
[03:32] <rick_h_> I see those things Blazeix and then cry because I know how work does things
[03:32] <rick_h_> and I've pushed for them to fix it, but hasn't happened on several apps
[03:33] <rick_h_> I mean, one app, the usernames are $level_$id
[03:33] <rick_h_> and $id == the password
[03:33] <rick_h_> "but it's ip limited to only their network space..." :(
[03:33] <widox> haha, those are some awesome functions in that pastbin... :-/
[03:33] <snap-l> But but but... I replaced ; with '', so it should't run
[03:34] <rick_h_> any time you see " secureSuperGlobalPOST" you know you're doomed
[03:35] <snap-l> The third link is precious too
[03:35] <rick_h_> yea, so glad there's a mad rush to md5
[03:35] <rick_h_> yay for the base64 of our day
[03:36] <snap-l> I'm just waiting for the rot13 and md5sum security
[04:51] <snap-l> Good night, everyone. See you tomorrow.
[12:49] <snap-l> Why does this frighten me? https://identi.ca/notice/75739526
[12:50] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/group/rantofabkuhn
[12:52] <brousch> afraid of competition?
[12:52] <snap-l> hardly
[12:53] <snap-l> Different goals, and it seems they're not ranting about FLOSS
[12:58] <snap-l> This is what the difference between the Ubuntu Conucil and the JCP is in a nutshell: https://identi.ca/notice/75742081
[12:59] <rick_h_> ouch, that's a scary podcast
[13:01] <brousch> snap-l: nice, link us to your identica post that links to the article
[13:01] <brousch> you're a real slashdotter
[13:01] <rick_h_> hah, publicity artist at his best
[13:02] <snap-l> Yeah, I need to monetize my identi.ca. ;)
[13:14] <greg-g> uh oh, this guy started following me on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/Piracy_Patrol
[13:15] <rick_h_> greg-g! I never thought you'd be a wrong doer like that
[13:16]  * greg-g hangs head
[13:16] <greg-g> I'm guessing it was because of the court case I tweeted yesterday
[13:21] <brousch> you have angered the man. now he is tracking your every tweet
[13:22] <brousch> can you feel the spy satellite looking through your window?
[13:25] <greg-g> luckily, the angle I have of the window goes directly towards another building that is very close (20 feet) away, so the satellites can't see me. but if I peak my head around like this....... then they can see me.
[13:34] <brousch> reflections
[13:34] <brousch> they can take a 1" reflection of you from a window across the street and watch. don't you watch CSI or NCIS?
[13:35] <greg-g> "enhance that image. enhance it again. and again. and again." Turning that 4 pixel area into the resolution of a widscreen LCD.
[13:39] <brousch> snap-l: how's natty treating you now that you've got a fresh install?
[13:42] <rick_h_> man, I am dragging today...ugh
[13:43] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, we should do a lococast before you calm down too much :P
[13:53] <snap-l> Well, Natty is OK, but there's a lot of rough edges
[13:54] <snap-l> "As of today, we have killed 1.75 million files containing our client's content. #copyright www.piracypatrol.com"
[13:54] <snap-l> hopefully they got some of the originals too
[13:55] <snap-l> I've had to change how I use my machine
[13:55] <snap-l> Oh, and upgrading? Yeah... I'd recommend not doing that.
[13:55] <snap-l> Reinstall
[13:56] <snap-l> At least, not if you're going from LTS to 11.04
[13:58] <rick_h_> that sounds so familiar
[14:00] <snap-l> I even went so far as to trash my home directory and just copy over what I needed
[14:00] <snap-l> though that's mostly because certain apps were acting wonky (banshee apparently doesn't behave well when you delete a bunch of files)
[14:00] <brousch> i love that armin ronacher (flask) is at djangocon europe. he is providing much material for me
[14:00] <snap-l> (who knew?)
[14:01] <snap-l> Ugh, it's already 86 in this room
[14:01] <rick_h_> ouch
[14:01] <snap-l> and it's not even 9am
[14:01] <brousch> AC
[14:02] <rick_h_> basement time here for sure
[14:02] <brousch> what are you, Dutch? turn on the air!
[14:02] <snap-l> brousch: Air is in... in the bedroom
[14:02] <snap-l> not the computer room. :)
[14:02] <rick_h_> laptops ftw
[14:03]  * rick_h_ is chillin in the recliner with pandora on the roku going
[14:03] <snap-l> you guys are just full of answers. ;)
[14:03] <snap-l> s/answers/shit/ ;)
[14:05] <brousch> i would not want to work from home without AC
[14:06] <rick_h_> tomorrow high 82
[14:06] <rick_h_> should be more reasonable
[14:06] <rick_h_> brousch: started to try to get to seattle
[14:06] <rick_h_> wife isn't warming up to it, but checked out and there's a google office hiring out there
[14:06] <rick_h_> more important to find work for her though
[14:07] <rick_h_> maybe I'd apply for those canonical jobs and do the fulltime remote again
[14:08] <brousch> i think there's a big software company in seattle
[14:08] <brousch> did you see if they're hiring?
[14:09] <rick_h_> man, good looking weekend coming
[14:09] <rick_h_> 71, 77, 75
[14:09] <brousch> rick_h_: i would also like to draw your attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Climate
[14:10] <rick_h_> I'm not cool enough to be in CA
[14:14] <snap-l> Good morning, Wolfger
[14:15]  * snap-l is glad he bought some CDs from Bandcamp, because unfortunately you can't re-download albums after a certain period
[14:16] <Wolfger> not really it isn't :-/
[14:16] <Wolfger> but at least I'm back in the good ol' USA :-)
[14:36] <jjesse> anyone play with google music yet?  trying to understand why i would want google music instead of amazon music
[14:37] <rick_h_> jjesse: nope, no interest. Can't buy music so not interested
[14:37] <jjesse> theres some free music to start you out with that you can stream, then you upload all your music to them
[14:37] <jjesse> and i doubt there is a *nix friendly version of the uploaded
[14:38] <jjesse> uploader
[14:38] <snap-l> I guess my big question about that is since I rip to FLAC, how much space is available?
[14:38] <rick_h_> there was a ppa of a wine packaged uploader
[14:38] <snap-l> and does it support FLAC?
[14:38] <rick_h_> 20k songs
[14:38] <rick_h_> not sure on flac
[14:38] <jjesse> but if i buy an album w/ amazon i get 20gigs of cloud storage for amazon  music
[14:38] <rick_h_> right, but that's not promised for next year
[14:39] <rick_h_> coule be initial offer, but who knows
[14:41] <jjesse> so i upload my music to either google/amazon/apple or Ubuntu One
[14:42] <rick_h_> yes
[14:42] <rick_h_> but apple doesn't have streaming
[14:42] <rick_h_> it does 'sycning'
[14:42] <rick_h_> http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20069418-12.html
[14:47] <brousch> snap-l: looks like natty's not the only problem upgrade: mitsuhiko 9:34am via Echofon: When upgrading to iOS5, make sure to do backups. Lost a month of contact's worth
[14:47] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant
[15:16] <greg-g> gamerchick02: dude, totally do an Ubuntu Hour up there with Matt!
[15:16] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Also, congrats on the interview!
[15:17] <greg-g> yeah, ditto on that too
[15:17] <rick_h_> madison heights eh? That's awful close to CHC land :)
[15:17] <snap-l> I wish bands would make it easier for me to give them money for their album
[15:17] <snap-l> Trying to find a link, download, or God-knows-what for MIND:|:SHREDDER
[15:18] <gamerchick02> :)
[15:18] <gamerchick02> thanks!
[15:18] <gamerchick02> AND, my internet was turned ON this morning!!!
[15:18] <gamerchick02> *happydance*
[15:18] <gamerchick02> *boogie down*
[15:18] <gamerchick02> CHC, rick_h_?
[15:18] <snap-l> gamerchick02: What the hell was with that?
[15:19] <greg-g> CHC == CoffeeHouseCoders
[15:19] <snap-l> I've never heard of an ISP taking 12 days to get internet reconnected.
[15:19] <rick_h_> coffeehousecoders
[15:19] <gamerchick02> AT&T shut off our phone for no reason
[15:19] <gamerchick02> earthlink shut off our internet due to no dialtone
[15:19] <rick_h_> sorry, UH:CHC now
[15:19] <gamerchick02> earthlink has been trying to get us back online, but AT&T was blocking their setup.
[15:19] <greg-g> lame
[15:20] <gamerchick02> i think my friend Zack talked to his sister, she kicked some union ass, and they put the order through
[15:20] <gamerchick02> because Earthlink has to get AT&T to release the line for DSL
[15:20] <gamerchick02> Zack's sister works for AT&T.
[15:20] <gamerchick02> thanks, greg-g and rick_h_.
[15:20] <gamerchick02> CHC would be fun to attend
[15:25] <rick_h_> good interview: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2011/06/07/whats-your-start-up-bus-count-7-myths-of-entrepreneurship-and-programming/
[15:29] <gamerchick02> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/system76-serval-professional-review massive review from the OMG!Ubuntu guys of the Serval Pro. not sure if everyone has seen this or not already. i'm a little late. *ahem*
[15:31] <greg-g> rick_h_: I like it
[15:32] <gamerchick02> the interview or the review, greg-g?
[15:37] <greg-g> the interview
[15:38] <gamerchick02> oh. i'm catching up on articles that i haven't had a chance to read. i'll get to it...
[15:39] <brousch> what's the correct way to check if a list has something at a certain index? if list[2]: do_stuff
[15:40] <brousch> that gives a key error if the index doesn't exist. do i really have to wrap this in a try except?
[15:40] <rick_h_> if len(list) >= X?
[15:41] <brousch> well, i'm actually grabbing from the end of the list
[15:41] <snap-l> try: except?
[15:41] <rick_h_> huh? they're sequential
[15:41] <snap-l> Do you care what the index is?
[15:41] <rick_h_> the list is either longer than your idx or not
[15:41] <snap-l> or just the contents of the end of the list?
[15:41] <brousch> i have a list and want the last 3 items, but sometimes there's only 1 item in the list
[15:41] <snap-l> I'd use pop
[15:41] <snap-l> with a try / except
[15:41] <rick_h_> if len(list) >= abs(idx)
[15:42] <rick_h_> if you're doing idx == -3 or someting
[15:43] <brousch> ah, i see
[15:43] <brousch> getting them from the end was messing with my head
[15:43] <rick_h_> cool
[15:44] <snap-l> Are you treating this like a queue?
[15:44] <snap-l> or a stack?
[15:48] <brousch> a list
[15:48] <brousch> appending items to it, but not really removing them
[15:48] <rick_h_> lol
[15:49] <rick_h_> using a list as a list?! how dare you!
[15:49] <brousch> i realized my data is so small i can stick it in a list instead of a real database
[15:49] <snap-l> why not use append?
[15:49] <brousch> i do use append
[15:50] <snap-l> OK...
[15:50] <brousch> but i really only care about the 3 newest ones
[15:50] <brousch> until one of them goes bad, then i'll remove it
[15:51] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[15:52] <snap-l> Whenever I see something where someone is using the end of a list for something, I start wondering if they're trying to implement a stack or queue or ...
[15:52]  * snap-l better get out his "jump to conclusions mat"
[15:56] <snap-l> Anyone know of a way to get SoundJuicer / Banshee to do local lookups for CDDB?
[15:56] <gamerchick02> change the database location?
[16:42] <Wolfger> Sheesh... watch out for flying bears, now. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/2-people-die-as-bear-flies-through-suv/?hpt=hp_t2
[16:46] <snap-l> OK< I did not see that coming.
[17:01] <binbrain> wolfger: I love that in the article they mentioned that no alcohol or drugs were involved
[17:04] <rick_h_> man, porting to postgrs is a lesson on the absolute crap sqlite/mysql let you get away with
[17:07] <brousch> it's not crap if it works. it's fertalizer!
[17:14] <Wolfger> binbrain: I'm wondering if they tested the bear...
[17:50] <snap-l> Why is MusicBrainz so impenetrable?
[18:01] <brousch> snap-l: the z on the end should have tipped you off
[18:10] <greg-g> have you ever met/seen the guy who started MusicBrainz?
[18:12] <greg-g> I'll let you guess which one of these Robert Kayes he is: http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=962&q=Robert+Kaye
[18:14] <brousch> the one with the nice ass and the red skirt?
[18:28] <snap-l> I'm sure he's the one with the shaved head art
[18:28] <snap-l> I think it's a neat concept, but damn if it isn't frustrating as hell to get info in and or out of it
[18:29] <snap-l> doing my part by trying to update the indo
[18:29] <snap-l> info, even
[18:29] <snap-l> But it's a real hassle
[18:32] <snap-l> If Banshee doesn't have the right disc ID, it'll just bomb out
[18:33] <brousch> i think CHC/UH is about to fire up in GR
[18:33] <snap-l> even though all of the results are the same damn album from Picard.
[18:33] <brousch> jean luc?
[18:34] <snap-l> No, the music brainz lookup program
[18:34] <snap-l> Which, incidentally, is the only way to do any lookups of CD IDs
[18:39] <snap-l> But, I'm sure like most OSS things, my right to bitch is directly proportional to how far my sleeves are rolled up. :)
[18:52] <snap-l> ARGH! http://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/cfw1kqALZW8hKA7bvh1womooApk-
[18:54] <snap-l> Something tells me Banshee can't handle multiple releases
[18:54] <brousch> what about it?
[19:34] <snap-l> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110531/00303814468/dubious-record-label-insists-it-has-patent-pending-method-to-guarantee-platinum-selling-album.shtml
[19:34] <snap-l> Wasn't the schmoo at CHC selling Zer01 VOIP?
[19:34] <snap-l> Or was that something else?
[19:35] <brousch> schmoo?
[19:36] <rick_h_> snap-l: no idea
[19:36] <rick_h_> I tried hard ot block it all out
[19:47] <brousch> rick_h_: you follow ossmichigan rss feed?
[19:47] <rick_h_> brousch: yea
[19:48] <brousch> hm, wait, these came from decafbad, isn't that snap-l?
[19:48] <rick_h_> no
[19:48] <rick_h_> lmorchord
[19:48] <brousch> a couple of old posts about delicious popped up there
[19:49] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/#!/lmorchard
[19:49] <rick_h_> yea, he's the guy that gave me the massive.xml for testing
[19:49] <rick_h_> 16k bookmarks and 7k tags
[19:49] <brousch> ok
[19:53] <snap-l> Yeah, decafbad.com is lmorchard.
[19:53] <brousch> ignore me. he must've changed something so the ossmichigan planet reposted his stuff.
[19:54] <rick_h_> yea, he's been updating his block to jeckell
[19:54] <rick_h_> or whatever it is
[19:54] <brousch> these posts are from december
[21:19] <snap-l> OK, I have a quick quiz for everyone here
[21:19] <snap-l> this is a 30 second quiz. No fair googling
[21:19] <snap-l> 30 seconds begins after I post the question.
[21:19] <snap-l> ready?
[21:20] <snap-l> What's the command for the Disk Utility that ships with Ubuntu.
[21:20] <snap-l> Time's UP!
[21:20] <snap-l> Pencils down
[21:21] <snap-l> If you guessed palimpsest, you are correct.
[21:21] <Blazeix> I was going to guess 'du'...
[21:21] <Blazeix> or maybe df
[21:22] <snap-l> Well, considering those actually have "disk" somewhere in the name, that would make sense.
[21:22] <snap-l> "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again. "
[21:23] <Blazeix> alias blimpiset=palimpsest
[21:24] <snap-l> Now, granted, I do like it when a command teaches me something about the world we live in
[21:25] <snap-l> but not when I'm trying to figure out what said command is. ;)
[22:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: what happened to boabab?
[22:21] <rick_h_> I thoght that was the thing, hated that name as well
[23:12] <snap-l> byobu?
[23:16] <Blazeix> baobab, the disk usage gui
[23:21] <Lledargo> baobab appears to only be a disk analyzer, disk utility can mount, format, etc.
[23:29] <snap-l> Still a badly named utility.