[07:28] <sakhi> mornings
[09:20] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[09:20] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:20]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:22] <superfly> morning Kilos
[09:22] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[09:22] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[09:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[09:27] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:27] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[10:23] <Kilos> hi |3o|3 
[10:23] <|3o|3> Sup Kilos
[10:23] <Kilos> same old same old
[10:24] <|3o|3> Yeah...
[10:24] <|3o|3> same old is same old.
[10:24] <Kilos> lol
[10:51] <superfly> old same is old same
[10:51] <superfly> :-P
[10:51] <Kilos> just a different day
[11:38] <Kilos> i just deleted 3 of the 4 /swaps. If i missing for a while i messed up again
[11:58] <Kilos> w00t
[11:59] <Kilos> only one swap partition and also removed the last 2 maverick installs that i used to get grub fixed all on gparted
[11:59] <Kilos> then ran sudo update-grub and here we go
[12:00] <Kilos> took a while but getting there
[12:04] <Kilos> Maaz, middagete
[12:04] <Maaz> Tuis gemaakde bees en groente sop met lekker vars brood
[12:05] <Kilos> yum yum
[12:17] <sakhi> http://ipv6-test.com
[12:18] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[12:18] <sakhi> hi Kilos how is it going?
[12:18] <Kilos> well ty sakhi  and you?
[12:18] <sakhi> good thanks.
[12:29] <superfly> I need to get my home network running IPv6
[12:45] <tumbleweed> is the tenet 6to4 relay still borked?
[12:46] <tumbleweed> miredo  works pretty well, if slow
[15:59] <afrodeity> anybody know where to get the organic beer in ct?
[17:12] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[17:12] <Maaz> Steak , egg and chips. And a free Coke
[17:13] <Kilos> hmm too cold for coke
[17:13] <Kilos> Maaz, what else
[17:13] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:13] <Kilos> grrr
[17:13] <Kilos> hi kingmilo 
[17:14] <kingmilo> howzit
[17:14] <Kilos> havent see you before. welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:15] <kingmilo> yea thanks man
[17:16] <kingmilo> I was thinking of setting up a LoCo for za and then found one ;)
[17:16] <Kilos> there are a few i think
[17:17] <kingmilo> how active is this one, the website doesnt seem to be kept up to date?
[17:17] <Kilos> depends how busy the guys are at work
[17:17] <kingmilo> are there any people here who develop for ubuntu?
[17:17] <Kilos> sometimes very busy
[17:18] <Kilos> methinks tumbleweed  does
[17:18] <kingmilo> Yup for sure :) I know how it is.. .
[17:18] <Kilos> and cocooncrash  is the expert on pc crashes
[17:19] <kingmilo> Alright. Anybody here looking after big Ubuntu installations?
[17:20] <Kilos> kingmilo, you will need to hang on for the sysadmin guys they will know more
[17:20] <Kilos> and superfly 
[17:20] <Kilos> i just say hi to new peeps
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:21] <kingmilo> ha ha alright. thanks boss.
[17:21] <Kilos> yw
[17:21] <Kilos> havva cuppa cybercoffee so long
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:22] <superfly> depends on what you mean by "develop for Ubuntu"
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[17:22] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:23] <kingmilo> superfly, contribute to an official package shipped with Ubuntu
[17:23] <superfly> not yet
[17:23] <superfly> hoping to get my app into Debian, though probably not in time for the next release of Ubuntu
[17:23] <kingmilo> ok superfly 
[17:24] <kingmilo> I am interested in finding out if anybody in SA runs large Ubuntu installations for corporates, LTSP or other.
[17:26] <superfly> that depends on your definition of "large Ubuntu installations"
[17:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:26] <superfly> are you talking server or desktop? managed or unmanaged?
[17:26] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:26] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:26] <tumbleweed> kingmilo: I'm an Ubuntu developer. highvoltage too.
[17:27] <superfly> and what your definition of "large" is as well
[17:27] <kingmilo> Managed server. I am in the business of migrating corporates from Microsoft TS to Ubuntu TS, currently I manage quite a few installations, probably +- 1000 desktops and I am curious to find out if anybody else in SA is involved in the same thing.
[17:27]  * tumbleweed doesn't know of anyone doing things like that, but I probably wouldn't
[17:28] <tumbleweed> highvoltage used to work in that area, you can ask him
[17:28] <kingmilo> alright thanks. Will be nice to share experiences.
[17:29] <tumbleweed> superfly: so how are our grand plans to pull you in going? :)
[17:29] <kingmilo> tumbleweed, what package/s do you contribute towards?
[17:30] <superfly> tumbleweed: I've been plagued by sickness, computer hardware problems, and commercial work
[17:30] <superfly> I need another one of me just to be able to handle the work I'm currently doing!
[17:30] <tumbleweed> kingmilo: mostly python stuff (mostly in Debian: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stefanor ), and in Ubuntu I work on developer tools, helping new developers, and MOTU stuff
[17:31] <tumbleweed> superfly: heh, yeah we'd all love one of those
[17:31] <tumbleweed> kingmilo: if you'd like to help out, we could always use more people in MOTU
[17:31] <kingmilo> tumbleweed, ok nice.
[17:33] <kingmilo> tumbleweed, I would like to help out where I can, at the moment I am setting up an opensource company that will provide opensource solutions/services to the south african business sector. I am also looking into setting up a full local software mirror, similiar to mirror.ac.za, we could always do with more.
[17:34] <kingmilo> And then I would like to lend my python skills to a project within ubuntu.
[17:34] <tumbleweed> ubuntu uses a lot of python
[17:34]  * tumbleweed doesn't know if ZA needs more mirrors, but something I'd like to see is a security.debian.org in ZA
[17:37] <kingmilo> I think we could do with more, there are some repositories not available on our mirrors and the popular mirrors are IS and university driven none really by a independent NPO
[17:39] <kingmilo> What is the status of this loCo, how are you guys doing in SA, what do you guys do, whats this loCo all about
[17:39] <tumbleweed> yes, mirror.ac.za isn't as reliable as it could be. But they have more than enough bandwith
[17:39] <tumbleweed> it's not like the US where there isn't a single mirror that can take the load for the country
[17:41] <tumbleweed> the loco isn't doing too much, basically just release parties and some ubuntu hours
[17:42] <tumbleweed> I'll try and make the next global jam happen again (we missed the last one)
[17:44] <kingmilo> alright, are you in charge tumbleweed ? Id like to help where/if I can to get it a more active if possible.
[17:44]  * tumbleweed is not incharge
[17:44] <marcog> kingmilo: where are you based?
[17:45] <kingmilo> Cape town marcog 
[17:45] <tumbleweed> kingmilo: like any community, it needs people to take initiative and organise things. The team contacts (who are about as in charge as you get) can't do everything and we shouldn't expect them too
[17:45] <superfly> kingmilo: no one is in charge... it's a "do-ocracy"
[17:45] <marcog> tumbleweed: has michiel spoken to you yet about doing some open source dev?
[17:46] <tumbleweed> marcog: yes
[17:46] <kingmilo> alright.
[17:46] <marcog> kingmilo: same as me and tumbleweed :)
[17:46] <tumbleweed> cape town is pretty active for open source, compared to the rest of the country
[17:47] <marcog> tumbleweed: cool, maybe also see if kieren is interested? i know he's been looking hard for an internship even after #btr didn't get him one and he hasn't been successful yet
[17:47] <kingmilo> marcog nice :)
[17:48] <kingmilo> I wonder how many people in this channel I have probably met.
[17:49] <kingmilo> is there anybody in this LoCo who is without employment ?
[17:49] <marcog> quite a few of us are still studying
[17:49] <marcog> if that counts
[17:50] <kingmilo> Ahh ok. Im probably the grampa here then at 31
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <marcog> Kilos will disagree :P
[17:51] <Kilos> and inetpro  and superfly i think
[17:51] <kingmilo> ha ha ok
[17:52] <tumbleweed> kingmilo: that doesn't put you that much older than marcog and me
[17:53] <kingmilo> alright I dont feel too bad then.
[17:53] <kingmilo> Gents it's been real. I will pop in more often and see where i can get involved. Thanks for answering all my random questions. cheers.
[18:44] <kbmonkey> weee!
[19:34] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey 
[19:34] <kbmonkey> lo Kilos 
[19:40] <kbmonkey> koud!
[19:40] <Kilos> baie
[19:42] <nuvolari> aloha
[19:42] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos , kbmonkey 
[19:43] <Kilos> naand nuvolari 
[19:43] <kbmonkey> hello hello nuvolari :)
[19:43] <Kilos> wens ek was daare by julle nou
[19:43] <Kilos> vrek koud jier
[19:43] <nuvolari> :P ja is lekker hier oom 
[19:43] <nuvolari> koud genoeg vir 'n baadjie, maar warm genoeg om nie te dood van die koue nie
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <nuvolari> my inbox is a disgrace. 75 unread emails.
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <kbmonkey> that's when you start killing off mailing lists lol
[19:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: hmm, that's excluding my mailing lists and other email subscriptions 
[19:47] <nuvolari> ok, some of them don't have filters yet
[19:47] <kbmonkey> ja nee info overload is n probleem partykeer ;P
[19:47] <nuvolari> dan praat ek nog nie van twitter nie.
[19:48]  * nuvolari knip sy sim-kaart op
[20:33] <getack> Evening all
[20:34] <kbmonkey> evening getack 
[20:34] <kbmonkey> say which video editor actually works? :p
[20:34] <getack> Doing well?
[20:34] <getack> Adobe Premiere Pro :-/
[20:34] <kbmonkey> *nervous laugh*
[20:35] <getack> :-) And then It only works some of the time.
[20:36] <kbmonkey> yes fine getack and you?
[20:36] <getack> Im well thanks. Just rather cold...
[20:37] <getack> The clothing companies should invent a keyboard friendly glove.
[20:39] <kbmonkey> yeah something like theperegrine!
[20:39] <kbmonkey> google that ;D
[20:40] <getack> w.a.n.t 0_o
[20:41] <kbmonkey> I cant find a working video editor :( awe shucks
[20:41] <kbmonkey> the _one_ area of linux apps in serious want
[20:41] <getack> agreed. What is it that you want?
[20:41] <getack> to do
[20:42] <kbmonkey> I mean blender can be used for video editing but I cant learn that all just to make a quick video
[20:44] <getack> Blender for video editing?! That's like using a spade to stir your coffee...
[20:44] <getack> What's wrong with the default one? (not that I used it before)
[21:11] <Kilos> night all sleep tight\
[21:55] <Symmetria> lo all
[21:56] <kbmonkey> greets
[22:00] <Symmetria> heh, afrinic policy meetings today were... crazy 
[22:01] <kbmonkey> say do you know anyhow on converting videos with ffmep Symmetria ?
[22:01] <kbmonkey> *ffmpeg
[22:03] <Symmetria> *HRM* Ive done it before but its been 2 long to remeber any details
[22:04] <kbmonkey> trying to edit some videos together, cannot find an editor that works. I suspect the videos need rencoding. *headaches*
[22:08] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: kdenlive is supposed to be good. pitivi can work with everything, but pretty flaky. people are saying good things about openshot
[22:09] <kbmonkey> openmovieeditor works but its playback function doesnt work so its like editing blind :p
[22:10] <kbmonkey> I'll try those other two thank tumbleweed :)
[22:18] <Symmetria> heh
[22:18] <Symmetria> my mind is still spinning from the grilling I took at this meeting today
[22:19] <Symmetria> took an hour of solid questions from a very riled up audience
[22:27] <kbmonkey> doesn't sound like my cup of tea ;P
[22:28] <Symmetria> heh it was necessary
[22:28] <Symmetria> I had to get the audience angry and worked up and pissed off 
[22:28] <Symmetria> because it was the only way to get the discussion going
[22:28] <Symmetria> and it was the only way to give me an opening to slam them for general apathy 
[22:28] <Symmetria> so I took the abuse for an hour, and then turned the tables on them, HARD 
[22:29] <Symmetria> and it worked
[22:29] <Symmetria> (they actually APPLAUDED afterwards, I thought i was gonna get stabbed hahaha)
[22:30] <kbmonkey> whoa
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh, was a risky move 
[22:31] <Symmetria> but *shrug* it needed tio be done
[22:31] <Symmetria> but to deliberately set myself up for an hour of grilling in order to do that, was pretty scary
[22:32] <Symmetria> when you stand up and deliberately rile up a room of 150 people to the point where people are chewing nails because of what you've said, just to prove a point, lol, I was kinda terrified walking up there knowing what I had planned
[22:32] <Symmetria> heh, social engineering on a grand and very scary scale for high stakes
[22:35] <kbmonkey> thanks tumbleweed it looks like pitivi is a winner :)
[22:42] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: cool
[22:43] <kbmonkey> funnily, some videos were taken sideways, so I use mencoder to transpose then 90 deg CCW, but the result is not usable in the editor :p
[22:44] <kbmonkey> ooh well, lets make a sideways video then :0
[23:06] <Kerbero> Symmetria: so what did you get done?
[23:08] <Kerbero> will it be in the newspaper tomorrow? :P