| Unit193 | It's been hung at Keyboard config for a very long time... | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| charlie-tca | Then it broke | 00:01 |
| charlie-tca | force restart or shutdown | 00:01 |
| Unit193 | Restarting the install won't help? | 00:02 |
| charlie-tca | not that I recall. I think if you don't restart, it will hang again | 00:02 |
| charlie-tca | isn't it in VBox? | 00:02 |
| charlie-tca | click the close button, check "power down" | 00:03 |
| Unit193 | Bad wording... The alt cd is borked? Or just user/luck error? | 00:04 |
| charlie-tca | bad luck. I would try the cd again, to verify it wasn't just a one-time glitch | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca still isn't back yet... | 03:01 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 14:11 |
| charlie-tca | We broke the live cd's today | 14:12 |
| charlie-tca | lightDM won't quite work yet with the live desktop login | 14:12 |
| charlie-tca | kernel panic | 14:23 |
| charlie-tca | wheeee! | 14:24 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: did you see the bit about the live cd today? | 14:25 |
| charlie-tca | live cd sessions are bad. There is no xubuntu session, even though it is a choice. It always goes to xfce session. We can choose the user, choose the session, then click login. | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: When you have time, I want to learn how to pull the lightdm stuff and add / fix it for us and put it where you can add it back. | 15:29 |
| charlie-tca | Where are the desktop wallpapers in Xubuntu? | 15:48 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: I pushed the changes from micahg this morning | 16:28 |
| mr_pouit | so lightdm should already be there, and no gdm anymore | 16:29 |
| mr_pouit | desktop wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I think | 16:33 |
| mr_pouit | sometimes /usr/share/backgrounds, it depends | 16:33 |
| astraljava | Hi guys, my turn to do the 32-bit tests? | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: yes, lightdm is there, but we have to now set it up to auto-login and run a xubuntu session. | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | It only runs an xfce session now | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | a | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: sure, can you do 64bit alternate, manual partitioning today? | 17:22 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Unfortunately not, as I only have one hard disk on my only 64-bit machine. :( | 17:22 |
| charlie-tca | If you saw my email to xubuntu-devel, you can try the 32bit whole disk install | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | with live cd | 17:23 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Well, unless I do it virtually. | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | but it is a bit of a hassel using the live cd today. | 17:23 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Sorry, I forgot to sign up for the mailing lists. Will do it now. | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 17:23 |
| charlie-tca | want me to send it to ubuntustudio-devel ml? | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | or what is it called? | 17:24 |
| charlie-tca | If i join yours, I can send the messages to both that applky | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | apply, and you don't all have to subscribe to our ML | 17:25 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: That's alright, I can check up the archives. | 17:25 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: I did it already. :) | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | great | 17:25 |
| charlie-tca | I will catch the 64bit tests then | 17:25 |
| astraljava | Okay then. :) | 17:26 |
| astraljava | Gah! Must get a new system. This AMD64 3000+ almost dies while creating the usb boot stick. :-/ | 17:37 |
| charlie-tca | heh, and mine is only an AMD64 2200 | 17:37 |
| astraljava | load average: 6.13, 5.18, 2.99 | 17:37 |
| charlie-tca | That's high | 17:38 |
| charlie-tca | load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 | 17:38 |
| astraljava | Yep, that's what it's normally for me too. This was during the operation. | 17:39 |
| charlie-tca | with the main system running, firefox with 27 open tabs, xchat, geany, and a VBox machine | 17:39 |
| charlie-tca | I have never been able to get the load average above 1.5 even when I get three VBox machines installing at one time | 17:40 |
| astraljava | Almost similarly to mine, except switch firefox to chrome, xchat to 5 irssi-screen-ssh sessions and 1 centerim-screen-ssh and 1 mutt-ssh session. What does geany do? | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | oh, I forget those ssh-fuse mounts completely. I mount 8 folders with it | 17:41 |
| astraljava | Yeah, either there's something seriously wrong with the usb bus, or there's a bug somewhere. | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | geany is an editor, much more advanced than mousepad, and less gnome then gedit | 17:41 |
| astraljava | Ahh... that's right. | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | I am learning how to use it. | 17:42 |
| charlie-tca | it is probably way more than I need, but since it works at least as good as gedit for me, I will learn | 17:43 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: thanks for the pointer on the wallpaper. | 17:46 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Good to check other editors every once in a while, even though not ending up using them regularly, might pick up on some cool tricks. | 17:48 |
| astraljava | live doesn't seem to take me to the desktop, just shows the background image with a mouse pointer. Will do a reboot. | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | I got a login at least. then it does go to the desktop for me | 17:49 |
| charlie-tca | You remembered to pick a session? | 17:50 |
| astraljava | Ahhh... sorry, was misleading. I did get the login too. | 17:50 |
| astraljava | Err... sorry, I must have taken the "Install Xubuntu" option. | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | that fails today | 17:50 |
| astraljava | I'll try again with "Try Xubuntu without installing" option now. | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | although it does go to the login screen for some reason | 17:50 |
| astraljava | Right, yeah that's weird. | 17:50 |
| charlie-tca | and you can not restart from there, either | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | probably have to do the power off thing | 17:51 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I should be doing my changes in VBox instead of my live system. It keeps breaking it. | 17:52 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Nah, VT2 worked, did `sudo reboot'. However, that option gives me the same thing as the former. | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | wait and try again tomorrow, then. | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | I will try here and see what I get | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | Are you on hardware or VBox? | 17:59 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: which background image? xubuntu wallpaper or Ubuntu login? | 18:01 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I got it all | 18:01 |
| charlie-tca | all? the desktop? | 18:02 |
| Unit193 | LightDM worked for me yesterday... | 18:02 |
| Unit193 | All the info | 18:02 |
| charlie-tca | I got that. Today we threw lightdm as default login manager, completely replaced GDM. | 18:02 |
| charlie-tca | It is much more fun now ;-) | 18:02 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: see my email today to the xubuntu-devel ML | 18:03 |
| knome | pleia2, ? | 18:03 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: Read it. Manual install works but seed doesn't? | 18:04 |
| charlie-tca | no, autologin fails | 18:05 |
| charlie-tca | you have manually log in to get the desktop | 18:05 |
| charlie-tca | and if you don't it exactly the way I outlined, it fails | 18:05 |
| Unit193 | I understand this. I was asking something else... | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | What do you mean seed doesn't? | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | expand please | 18:07 |
| Unit193 | You removed GDM on the CD for today and added LightDM. I installed LightDM yesterday (In VM, apt-get) and it seemed to work, what's different? | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, it is there by default now. You no longer have GDM at all | 18:07 |
| charlie-tca | It works, but it doesn't autolog | 18:08 |
| charlie-tca | It does not automatically go the live desktop now | 18:08 |
| charlie-tca | but astraljava was not even able to get to the desktop | 18:08 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: This is hardware. It's the purple-ish with some reflections etc. | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | That's the lightdm background | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | I get through that to the Xfce session desktop in VBox, will have to try in hardware. | 18:09 |
| charlie-tca | It suspect an issue with the video card/video buffer, but we will give it a day or two to settle down | 18:10 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Alright then. | 18:11 |
| astraljava | I will try to debug my sound card issue then. :) | 18:11 |
| charlie-tca | one of those, too? ;-( | 18:12 |
| astraljava | Which just resolved itself. | 18:13 |
| astraljava | And again, I have no idea why, how, and what to do to reproduce the solution. | 18:13 |
| charlie-tca | doesn't that make debugging harder? | 18:15 |
| astraljava | Sorta does. | 18:16 |
| astraljava | It's the ICE958 S/PDIF issue. Whenever I use digital in, the master clock will get stuck on S/PDIF, and I cannot use other audio applications for playback. | 18:17 |
| astraljava | The first time when it happened on Natty I was able to get it back by tweaking alsamixer to all possible positions, but now the second time I was unable to. | 18:17 |
| charlie-tca | weird | 18:17 |
| astraljava | Someone told me to get some other input, which at first didn't make any difference. | 18:18 |
| astraljava | Now, it just suddenly decided "Oh yay, I think he wants me to do something else today!" | 18:18 |
| astraljava | And suddenly, it's possible again. | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | I hate those type of things | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | It just makes it so much harder to solve when it does happen again | 18:19 |
| astraljava | Exactly. | 18:25 |
| astraljava | Well, I will have to use this machine for recording only once I get another multimedia machine for living room stereos. | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | That'll teach it to behave | 18:35 |
| astraljava | Yep. :) | 18:36 |
| astraljava | Though, to be honest, I do need to upgrade this one anyway, too. Might get another sound card as well. | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | finally, I got my computer to work again | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Congrats! How is Oneiric? Did I need to do any testing? (With the failing that is) | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | Not unless you really want to fight with it | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | Testing at this stage requires knowing how to fix what breaks, since you can't really access anything when it breaks. | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | That is all I been doing for two hours, trying to get Oneiric to login again | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | and yes, it is lightDM | 22:03 |
| Unit193 | I had it working yesterday... | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, that was then | 22:04 |
| Unit193 | I understand things break from day to day | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | We try to change a lot of stuff daily, to see if it will keep working | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | Probably doesn't help that I modified the lightdm files, too | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: are you using lightdm now? | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | Not on the main computer... | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | aw, com'n | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | what fun is testing if it doesn't break the main computer? | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | I already have issues with Natty on it... (Have to randomly reboot it because of screen lockups!) | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, yeah, testing Oneiric does require a backup machine, too. When the main system really won't work, you use the backup system | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | that's gonna get worse, too. I read the ati driver will have to be 915 or higher now | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | also trying to stay with nvidia 04 and above, if possible, for best results. | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | no, intel has to -915 now | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | Can't even file bugs for less then that in launchpad | 22:11 |
| Unit193 | That's crap | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | ATI hasn't been determined yet, I guess. It has to use radeon or fglrx | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | no, that's progress | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | Intel dropped support for less than -915 almost a year ago | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | But you should dump working computers just because they are old? | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | no, you should find something that works on them, if possible. | 22:15 |
| Unit193 | product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device | configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | I still got a working 386 here | 22:16 |
| Unit193 | If I read that correct, I'll be fine? | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | That makes it. -915 | 22:16 |
| Unit193 | Sweet! I just did all updates and I still get the normal Xubuntu session! (Updated from yesterday when I installed LightDM) | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | that's the way it should work! | 23:57 |
| charlie-tca | Now to make the live cd do that... | 23:57 |
| iHaku | Do what, exactly? | 23:58 |
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