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Unit193It's been hung at Keyboard config for a very long time...00:00
charlie-tcaThen it broke00:01
charlie-tcaforce restart or shutdown00:01
Unit193Restarting the install won't help?00:02
charlie-tcanot that I recall. I think if you don't restart, it will hang again00:02
charlie-tcaisn't it in VBox?00:02
charlie-tcaclick the close button, check "power down"00:03
Unit193Bad wording... The alt cd is borked? Or just user/luck error?00:04
charlie-tcabad luck. I would try the cd again, to verify it wasn't just a one-time glitch00:05
Unit193charlie-tca still isn't back yet...03:01
charlie-tcaGood morning14:11
charlie-tcaWe broke the live cd's today14:12
charlie-tcalightDM won't quite work yet with the live desktop login14:12
charlie-tcakernel panic14:23
charlie-tcawheeee!14:24
charlie-tcaUnit193: did you see the bit about the live cd today?14:25
charlie-tcalive cd sessions are bad. There is no xubuntu session, even though it is a choice. It always goes to xfce session. We can choose the user, choose the session, then click login.15:11
charlie-tcamr_pouit: When you have time, I want to learn how to pull the lightdm stuff and add / fix it for us and put it where you can add it back.15:29
charlie-tcaWhere are the desktop wallpapers in Xubuntu?15:48
mr_pouitcharlie-tca: I pushed the changes from micahg this morning16:28
mr_pouitso lightdm should already be there, and no gdm anymore16:29
mr_pouitdesktop wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I think16:33
mr_pouitsometimes /usr/share/backgrounds, it depends16:33
astraljavaHi guys, my turn to do the 32-bit tests?17:10
charlie-tcamr_pouit: yes, lightdm is there, but we have to now set it up to auto-login and run a xubuntu session. 17:21
charlie-tcaIt only runs an xfce session now17:21
charlie-tcaa17:21
charlie-tcaastraljava: sure, can you do 64bit alternate, manual partitioning today?17:22
astraljavacharlie-tca: Unfortunately not, as I only have one hard disk on my only 64-bit machine. :(17:22
charlie-tcaIf you saw my email to xubuntu-devel, you can try the 32bit whole disk install17:23
charlie-tcawith live cd17:23
astraljavacharlie-tca: Well, unless I do it virtually.17:23
charlie-tcabut it is a bit of a hassel using the live cd today.17:23
astraljavacharlie-tca: Sorry, I forgot to sign up for the mailing lists. Will do it now.17:23
charlie-tcano problem17:23
charlie-tcawant me to send it to ubuntustudio-devel ml?17:24
charlie-tcaor what is it called?17:24
charlie-tcaIf i join yours, I can send the messages to both that applky17:25
charlie-tcaapply, and you don't all have to subscribe to our ML17:25
astraljavacharlie-tca: That's alright, I can check up the archives.17:25
astraljavacharlie-tca: I did it already. :)17:25
charlie-tcagreat17:25
charlie-tcaI will catch the 64bit tests then17:25
astraljavaOkay then. :)17:26
astraljavaGah! Must get a new system. This AMD64 3000+ almost dies while creating the usb boot stick. :-/17:37
charlie-tcaheh, and mine is only an AMD64 220017:37
astraljavaload average: 6.13, 5.18, 2.9917:37
charlie-tcaThat's high17:38
charlie-tcaload average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.0517:38
astraljavaYep, that's what it's normally for me too. This was during the operation.17:39
charlie-tcawith the main system running, firefox with 27 open tabs, xchat, geany, and a VBox machine17:39
charlie-tcaI have never been able to get the load average above 1.5 even when I get three VBox machines installing at one time17:40
astraljavaAlmost similarly to mine, except switch firefox to chrome, xchat to 5 irssi-screen-ssh sessions and 1 centerim-screen-ssh and 1 mutt-ssh session. What does geany do?17:41
charlie-tcaoh, I forget those ssh-fuse mounts completely. I mount 8 folders with it17:41
astraljavaYeah, either there's something seriously wrong with the usb bus, or there's a bug somewhere.17:41
charlie-tcageany is an editor, much more advanced than mousepad, and less gnome then gedit17:41
astraljavaAhh... that's right.17:42
charlie-tcaI am learning how to use it.17:42
charlie-tcait is probably way more than I need, but since it works at least as good as gedit for me, I will learn17:43
charlie-tcamr_pouit: thanks for the pointer on the wallpaper. 17:46
astraljavacharlie-tca: Good to check other editors every once in a while, even though not ending up using them regularly, might pick up on some cool tricks.17:48
astraljavalive doesn't seem to take me to the desktop, just shows the background image with a mouse pointer. Will do a reboot.17:49
charlie-tcaI got a login at least. then it does go to the desktop for me17:49
charlie-tcaYou remembered to pick a session?17:50
astraljavaAhhh... sorry, was misleading. I did get the login too.17:50
astraljavaErr... sorry, I must have taken the "Install Xubuntu" option.17:50
charlie-tcathat fails today17:50
astraljavaI'll try again with "Try Xubuntu without installing" option now.17:50
charlie-tcaalthough it does go to the login screen for some reason17:50
astraljavaRight, yeah that's weird.17:50
charlie-tcaand you can not restart from there, either17:51
charlie-tcaprobably have to do the power off thing17:51
charlie-tcaMaybe I should be doing my changes in VBox instead of my live system. It keeps breaking it.17:52
astraljavacharlie-tca: Nah, VT2 worked, did `sudo reboot'. However, that option gives me the same thing as the former.17:58
charlie-tcawait and try again tomorrow, then. 17:58
charlie-tcaI will try here and see what I get17:58
charlie-tcaAre you on hardware or VBox?17:59
charlie-tcaastraljava: which background image? xubuntu wallpaper or Ubuntu login?18:01
Unit193charlie-tca: I got it all18:01
charlie-tcaall? the desktop?18:02
Unit193LightDM worked for me yesterday...18:02
Unit193All the info18:02
charlie-tcaI got that. Today we threw lightdm as default login manager, completely replaced GDM. 18:02
charlie-tcaIt is much more fun now ;-)18:02
charlie-tcaUnit193: see my email today to the xubuntu-devel ML18:03
knomepleia2, ?18:03
Unit193charlie-tca: Read it. Manual install works but seed doesn't?18:04
charlie-tcano, autologin fails18:05
charlie-tcayou have manually log in to get the desktop18:05
charlie-tcaand if you don't it exactly the way I outlined, it fails18:05
Unit193I understand this. I was asking something else...18:06
charlie-tcaWhat do you mean seed doesn't?18:06
charlie-tcaexpand please 18:07
Unit193You removed GDM on the CD for today and added LightDM. I installed LightDM yesterday (In VM, apt-get) and it seemed to work, what's different?18:07
charlie-tcaOh, it is there by default now. You no longer have GDM at all18:07
charlie-tcaIt works, but it doesn't autolog18:08
charlie-tcaIt does not automatically go the live desktop now18:08
charlie-tcabut astraljava was not even able to get to the desktop18:08
astraljavacharlie-tca: This is hardware. It's the purple-ish with some reflections etc.18:09
charlie-tcaThat's the lightdm background18:09
charlie-tcaI get through that to the Xfce session desktop in VBox, will have to try in hardware.18:09
charlie-tcaIt suspect an issue with the video card/video buffer, but we will give it a day or two to settle down18:10
astraljavacharlie-tca: Alright then.18:11
astraljavaI will try to debug my sound card issue then. :)18:11
charlie-tcaone of those, too? ;-(18:12
astraljavaWhich just resolved itself.18:13
astraljavaAnd again, I have no idea why, how, and what to do to reproduce the solution.18:13
charlie-tcadoesn't that make debugging harder?18:15
astraljavaSorta does.18:16
astraljavaIt's the ICE958 S/PDIF issue. Whenever I use digital in, the master clock will get stuck on S/PDIF, and I cannot use other audio applications for playback.18:17
astraljavaThe first time when it happened on Natty I was able to get it back by tweaking alsamixer to all possible positions, but now the second time I was unable to.18:17
charlie-tcaweird18:17
astraljavaSomeone told me to get some other input, which at first didn't make any difference.18:18
astraljavaNow, it just suddenly decided "Oh yay, I think he wants me to do something else today!"18:18
astraljavaAnd suddenly, it's possible again.18:18
charlie-tcaheh18:18
charlie-tcaI hate those type of things18:18
charlie-tcaIt just makes it so much harder to solve when it does happen again18:19
astraljavaExactly.18:25
astraljavaWell, I will have to use this machine for recording only once I get another multimedia machine for living room stereos.18:34
charlie-tcaThat'll teach it to behave18:35
astraljavaYep. :)18:36
astraljavaThough, to be honest, I do need to upgrade this one anyway, too. Might get another sound card as well.18:36
charlie-tcafinally, I got my computer to work again21:49
Unit193Congrats! How is Oneiric? Did I need to do any testing? (With the failing that is)21:51
charlie-tcaNot unless you really want to fight with it22:02
charlie-tcaTesting at this stage requires knowing how to fix what breaks, since you can't really access anything when it breaks.22:03
charlie-tcaThat is all I been doing for two hours, trying to get Oneiric to login again22:03
charlie-tcaand yes, it is lightDM22:03
Unit193I had it working yesterday...22:04
charlie-tcayeah, that was then22:04
Unit193I understand things break from day to day22:04
charlie-tcaWe try to change a lot of stuff daily, to see if it will keep working22:05
charlie-tcaProbably doesn't help that I modified the lightdm files, too22:05
charlie-tcaUnit193: are you using lightdm now?22:07
Unit193Not on the main computer...22:08
charlie-tcaaw, com'n22:08
charlie-tcawhat fun is testing if it doesn't break the main computer?22:08
Unit193I already have issues with Natty on it... (Have to randomly reboot it because of screen lockups!)22:09
charlie-tcaOh, yeah, testing Oneiric does require a backup machine, too. When the main system really won't work, you use the backup system22:09
charlie-tcathat's gonna get worse, too. I read the ati driver will have to be 915 or higher now22:10
charlie-tcaalso trying to stay with nvidia 04 and above, if possible, for best results.22:10
charlie-tcano, intel has to -915 now22:10
charlie-tcaCan't even file bugs for less then that in launchpad22:11
Unit193That's crap22:12
charlie-tcaATI hasn't been determined yet, I guess. It has to use radeon or fglrx22:12
charlie-tcano, that's progress22:13
charlie-tcaIntel dropped support for less than -915 almost a year ago22:13
Unit193But you should dump working computers just because they are old?22:15
charlie-tcano, you should find something that works on them, if possible.22:15
Unit193product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device |  configuration: driver=i915 latency=022:16
charlie-tcaI still got a working 386 here22:16
Unit193If I read that correct, I'll be fine?22:16
charlie-tcaThat makes it. -915 22:16
Unit193Sweet! I just did all updates and I still get the normal Xubuntu session! (Updated from yesterday when I installed LightDM)22:57
charlie-tcathat's the way it should work!23:57
charlie-tcaNow to make the live cd do that...23:57
iHakuDo what, exactly?23:58

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