[00:00] It's been hung at Keyboard config for a very long time... [00:01] Then it broke [00:01] force restart or shutdown [00:02] Restarting the install won't help? [00:02] not that I recall. I think if you don't restart, it will hang again [00:02] isn't it in VBox? [00:03] click the close button, check "power down" [00:04] Bad wording... The alt cd is borked? Or just user/luck error? [00:05] bad luck. I would try the cd again, to verify it wasn't just a one-time glitch [03:01] charlie-tca still isn't back yet... [14:11] Good morning [14:12] We broke the live cd's today [14:12] lightDM won't quite work yet with the live desktop login [14:23] kernel panic [14:24] wheeee! [14:25] Unit193: did you see the bit about the live cd today? [15:11] live cd sessions are bad. There is no xubuntu session, even though it is a choice. It always goes to xfce session. We can choose the user, choose the session, then click login. [15:29] mr_pouit: When you have time, I want to learn how to pull the lightdm stuff and add / fix it for us and put it where you can add it back. [15:48] Where are the desktop wallpapers in Xubuntu? [16:28] charlie-tca: I pushed the changes from micahg this morning [16:29] so lightdm should already be there, and no gdm anymore [16:33] desktop wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I think [16:33] sometimes /usr/share/backgrounds, it depends [17:10] Hi guys, my turn to do the 32-bit tests? [17:21] mr_pouit: yes, lightdm is there, but we have to now set it up to auto-login and run a xubuntu session. [17:21] It only runs an xfce session now [17:21] a [17:22] astraljava: sure, can you do 64bit alternate, manual partitioning today? [17:22] charlie-tca: Unfortunately not, as I only have one hard disk on my only 64-bit machine. :( [17:23] If you saw my email to xubuntu-devel, you can try the 32bit whole disk install [17:23] with live cd [17:23] charlie-tca: Well, unless I do it virtually. [17:23] but it is a bit of a hassel using the live cd today. [17:23] charlie-tca: Sorry, I forgot to sign up for the mailing lists. Will do it now. [17:23] no problem [17:24] want me to send it to ubuntustudio-devel ml? [17:24] or what is it called? [17:25] If i join yours, I can send the messages to both that applky [17:25] apply, and you don't all have to subscribe to our ML [17:25] charlie-tca: That's alright, I can check up the archives. [17:25] charlie-tca: I did it already. :) [17:25] great [17:25] I will catch the 64bit tests then [17:26] Okay then. :) [17:37] Gah! Must get a new system. This AMD64 3000+ almost dies while creating the usb boot stick. :-/ [17:37] heh, and mine is only an AMD64 2200 [17:37] load average: 6.13, 5.18, 2.99 [17:38] That's high [17:38] load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 [17:39] Yep, that's what it's normally for me too. This was during the operation. [17:39] with the main system running, firefox with 27 open tabs, xchat, geany, and a VBox machine [17:40] I have never been able to get the load average above 1.5 even when I get three VBox machines installing at one time [17:41] Almost similarly to mine, except switch firefox to chrome, xchat to 5 irssi-screen-ssh sessions and 1 centerim-screen-ssh and 1 mutt-ssh session. What does geany do? [17:41] oh, I forget those ssh-fuse mounts completely. I mount 8 folders with it [17:41] Yeah, either there's something seriously wrong with the usb bus, or there's a bug somewhere. [17:41] geany is an editor, much more advanced than mousepad, and less gnome then gedit [17:42] Ahh... that's right. [17:42] I am learning how to use it. [17:43] it is probably way more than I need, but since it works at least as good as gedit for me, I will learn [17:46] mr_pouit: thanks for the pointer on the wallpaper. [17:48] charlie-tca: Good to check other editors every once in a while, even though not ending up using them regularly, might pick up on some cool tricks. [17:49] live doesn't seem to take me to the desktop, just shows the background image with a mouse pointer. Will do a reboot. [17:49] I got a login at least. then it does go to the desktop for me [17:50] You remembered to pick a session? [17:50] Ahhh... sorry, was misleading. I did get the login too. [17:50] Err... sorry, I must have taken the "Install Xubuntu" option. [17:50] that fails today [17:50] I'll try again with "Try Xubuntu without installing" option now. [17:50] although it does go to the login screen for some reason [17:50] Right, yeah that's weird. [17:51] and you can not restart from there, either [17:51] probably have to do the power off thing [17:52] Maybe I should be doing my changes in VBox instead of my live system. It keeps breaking it. [17:58] charlie-tca: Nah, VT2 worked, did `sudo reboot'. However, that option gives me the same thing as the former. [17:58] wait and try again tomorrow, then. [17:58] I will try here and see what I get [17:59] Are you on hardware or VBox? [18:01] astraljava: which background image? xubuntu wallpaper or Ubuntu login? [18:01] charlie-tca: I got it all [18:02] all? the desktop? [18:02] LightDM worked for me yesterday... [18:02] All the info [18:02] I got that. Today we threw lightdm as default login manager, completely replaced GDM. [18:02] It is much more fun now ;-) [18:03] Unit193: see my email today to the xubuntu-devel ML [18:03] pleia2, ? [18:04] charlie-tca: Read it. Manual install works but seed doesn't? [18:05] no, autologin fails [18:05] you have manually log in to get the desktop [18:05] and if you don't it exactly the way I outlined, it fails [18:06] I understand this. I was asking something else... [18:06] What do you mean seed doesn't? [18:07] expand please [18:07] You removed GDM on the CD for today and added LightDM. I installed LightDM yesterday (In VM, apt-get) and it seemed to work, what's different? [18:07] Oh, it is there by default now. You no longer have GDM at all [18:08] It works, but it doesn't autolog [18:08] It does not automatically go the live desktop now [18:08] but astraljava was not even able to get to the desktop [18:09] charlie-tca: This is hardware. It's the purple-ish with some reflections etc. [18:09] That's the lightdm background [18:09] I get through that to the Xfce session desktop in VBox, will have to try in hardware. [18:10] It suspect an issue with the video card/video buffer, but we will give it a day or two to settle down [18:11] charlie-tca: Alright then. [18:11] I will try to debug my sound card issue then. :) [18:12] one of those, too? ;-( [18:13] Which just resolved itself. [18:13] And again, I have no idea why, how, and what to do to reproduce the solution. [18:15] doesn't that make debugging harder? [18:16] Sorta does. [18:17] It's the ICE958 S/PDIF issue. Whenever I use digital in, the master clock will get stuck on S/PDIF, and I cannot use other audio applications for playback. [18:17] The first time when it happened on Natty I was able to get it back by tweaking alsamixer to all possible positions, but now the second time I was unable to. [18:17] weird [18:18] Someone told me to get some other input, which at first didn't make any difference. [18:18] Now, it just suddenly decided "Oh yay, I think he wants me to do something else today!" [18:18] And suddenly, it's possible again. [18:18] heh [18:18] I hate those type of things [18:19] It just makes it so much harder to solve when it does happen again [18:25] Exactly. [18:34] Well, I will have to use this machine for recording only once I get another multimedia machine for living room stereos. [18:35] That'll teach it to behave [18:36] Yep. :) [18:36] Though, to be honest, I do need to upgrade this one anyway, too. Might get another sound card as well. [21:49] finally, I got my computer to work again [21:51] Congrats! How is Oneiric? Did I need to do any testing? (With the failing that is) [22:02] Not unless you really want to fight with it [22:03] Testing at this stage requires knowing how to fix what breaks, since you can't really access anything when it breaks. [22:03] That is all I been doing for two hours, trying to get Oneiric to login again [22:03] and yes, it is lightDM [22:04] I had it working yesterday... [22:04] yeah, that was then [22:04] I understand things break from day to day [22:05] We try to change a lot of stuff daily, to see if it will keep working [22:05] Probably doesn't help that I modified the lightdm files, too [22:07] Unit193: are you using lightdm now? [22:08] Not on the main computer... [22:08] aw, com'n [22:08] what fun is testing if it doesn't break the main computer? [22:09] I already have issues with Natty on it... (Have to randomly reboot it because of screen lockups!) [22:09] Oh, yeah, testing Oneiric does require a backup machine, too. When the main system really won't work, you use the backup system [22:10] that's gonna get worse, too. I read the ati driver will have to be 915 or higher now [22:10] also trying to stay with nvidia 04 and above, if possible, for best results. [22:10] no, intel has to -915 now [22:11] Can't even file bugs for less then that in launchpad [22:12] That's crap [22:12] ATI hasn't been determined yet, I guess. It has to use radeon or fglrx [22:13] no, that's progress [22:13] Intel dropped support for less than -915 almost a year ago [22:15] But you should dump working computers just because they are old? [22:15] no, you should find something that works on them, if possible. [22:16] product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device | configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 [22:16] I still got a working 386 here [22:16] If I read that correct, I'll be fine? [22:16] That makes it. -915 [22:57] Sweet! I just did all updates and I still get the normal Xubuntu session! (Updated from yesterday when I installed LightDM) [23:57] that's the way it should work! [23:57] Now to make the live cd do that... [23:58] Do what, exactly?