[00:00] <Unit193> It's been hung at Keyboard config for a very long time...
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Then it broke
[00:01] <charlie-tca> force restart or shutdown
[00:02] <Unit193> Restarting the install won't help?
[00:02] <charlie-tca> not that I recall. I think if you don't restart, it will hang again
[00:02] <charlie-tca> isn't it in VBox?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> click the close button, check "power down"
[00:04] <Unit193> Bad wording... The alt cd is borked? Or just user/luck error?
[00:05] <charlie-tca> bad luck. I would try the cd again, to verify it wasn't just a one-time glitch
[03:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca still isn't back yet...
[14:11] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:12] <charlie-tca> We broke the live cd's today
[14:12] <charlie-tca> lightDM won't quite work yet with the live desktop login
[14:23] <charlie-tca> kernel panic
[14:24] <charlie-tca> wheeee!
[14:25] <charlie-tca> Unit193: did you see the bit about the live cd today?
[15:11] <charlie-tca> live cd sessions are bad. There is no xubuntu session, even though it is a choice. It always goes to xfce session. We can choose the user, choose the session, then click login.
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: When you have time, I want to learn how to pull the lightdm stuff and add / fix it for us and put it where you can add it back.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Where are the desktop wallpapers in Xubuntu?
[16:28] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I pushed the changes from micahg this morning
[16:29] <mr_pouit> so lightdm should already be there, and no gdm anymore
[16:33] <mr_pouit> desktop wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I think
[16:33] <mr_pouit> sometimes /usr/share/backgrounds, it depends
[17:10] <astraljava> Hi guys, my turn to do the 32-bit tests?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: yes, lightdm is there, but we have to now set it up to auto-login and run a xubuntu session. 
[17:21] <charlie-tca> It only runs an xfce session now
[17:21] <charlie-tca> a
[17:22] <charlie-tca> astraljava: sure, can you do 64bit alternate, manual partitioning today?
[17:22] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Unfortunately not, as I only have one hard disk on my only 64-bit machine. :(
[17:23] <charlie-tca> If you saw my email to xubuntu-devel, you can try the 32bit whole disk install
[17:23] <charlie-tca> with live cd
[17:23] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Well, unless I do it virtually.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> but it is a bit of a hassel using the live cd today.
[17:23] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sorry, I forgot to sign up for the mailing lists. Will do it now.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:24] <charlie-tca> want me to send it to ubuntustudio-devel ml?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> or what is it called?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> If i join yours, I can send the messages to both that applky
[17:25] <charlie-tca> apply, and you don't all have to subscribe to our ML
[17:25] <astraljava> charlie-tca: That's alright, I can check up the archives.
[17:25] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I did it already. :)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> great
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I will catch the 64bit tests then
[17:26] <astraljava> Okay then. :)
[17:37] <astraljava> Gah! Must get a new system. This AMD64 3000+ almost dies while creating the usb boot stick. :-/
[17:37] <charlie-tca> heh, and mine is only an AMD64 2200
[17:37] <astraljava> load average: 6.13, 5.18, 2.99
[17:38] <charlie-tca> That's high
[17:38] <charlie-tca> load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[17:39] <astraljava> Yep, that's what it's normally for me too. This was during the operation.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> with the main system running, firefox with 27 open tabs, xchat, geany, and a VBox machine
[17:40] <charlie-tca> I have never been able to get the load average above 1.5 even when I get three VBox machines installing at one time
[17:41] <astraljava> Almost similarly to mine, except switch firefox to chrome, xchat to 5 irssi-screen-ssh sessions and 1 centerim-screen-ssh and 1 mutt-ssh session. What does geany do?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> oh, I forget those ssh-fuse mounts completely. I mount 8 folders with it
[17:41] <astraljava> Yeah, either there's something seriously wrong with the usb bus, or there's a bug somewhere.
[17:41] <charlie-tca> geany is an editor, much more advanced than mousepad, and less gnome then gedit
[17:42] <astraljava> Ahh... that's right.
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I am learning how to use it.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> it is probably way more than I need, but since it works at least as good as gedit for me, I will learn
[17:46] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thanks for the pointer on the wallpaper. 
[17:48] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Good to check other editors every once in a while, even though not ending up using them regularly, might pick up on some cool tricks.
[17:49] <astraljava> live doesn't seem to take me to the desktop, just shows the background image with a mouse pointer. Will do a reboot.
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I got a login at least. then it does go to the desktop for me
[17:50] <charlie-tca> You remembered to pick a session?
[17:50] <astraljava> Ahhh... sorry, was misleading. I did get the login too.
[17:50] <astraljava> Err... sorry, I must have taken the "Install Xubuntu" option.
[17:50] <charlie-tca> that fails today
[17:50] <astraljava> I'll try again with "Try Xubuntu without installing" option now.
[17:50] <charlie-tca> although it does go to the login screen for some reason
[17:50] <astraljava> Right, yeah that's weird.
[17:51] <charlie-tca> and you can not restart from there, either
[17:51] <charlie-tca> probably have to do the power off thing
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Maybe I should be doing my changes in VBox instead of my live system. It keeps breaking it.
[17:58] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Nah, VT2 worked, did `sudo reboot'. However, that option gives me the same thing as the former.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> wait and try again tomorrow, then. 
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I will try here and see what I get
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Are you on hardware or VBox?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> astraljava: which background image? xubuntu wallpaper or Ubuntu login?
[18:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I got it all
[18:02] <charlie-tca> all? the desktop?
[18:02] <Unit193> LightDM worked for me yesterday...
[18:02] <Unit193> All the info
[18:02] <charlie-tca> I got that. Today we threw lightdm as default login manager, completely replaced GDM. 
[18:02] <charlie-tca> It is much more fun now ;-)
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Unit193: see my email today to the xubuntu-devel ML
[18:03] <knome> pleia2, ?
[18:04] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Read it. Manual install works but seed doesn't?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> no, autologin fails
[18:05] <charlie-tca> you have manually log in to get the desktop
[18:05] <charlie-tca> and if you don't it exactly the way I outlined, it fails
[18:06] <Unit193> I understand this. I was asking something else...
[18:06] <charlie-tca> What do you mean seed doesn't?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> expand please 
[18:07] <Unit193> You removed GDM on the CD for today and added LightDM. I installed LightDM yesterday (In VM, apt-get) and it seemed to work, what's different?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Oh, it is there by default now. You no longer have GDM at all
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It works, but it doesn't autolog
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It does not automatically go the live desktop now
[18:08] <charlie-tca> but astraljava was not even able to get to the desktop
[18:09] <astraljava> charlie-tca: This is hardware. It's the purple-ish with some reflections etc.
[18:09] <charlie-tca> That's the lightdm background
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I get through that to the Xfce session desktop in VBox, will have to try in hardware.
[18:10] <charlie-tca> It suspect an issue with the video card/video buffer, but we will give it a day or two to settle down
[18:11] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Alright then.
[18:11] <astraljava> I will try to debug my sound card issue then. :)
[18:12] <charlie-tca> one of those, too? ;-(
[18:13] <astraljava> Which just resolved itself.
[18:13] <astraljava> And again, I have no idea why, how, and what to do to reproduce the solution.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> doesn't that make debugging harder?
[18:16] <astraljava> Sorta does.
[18:17] <astraljava> It's the ICE958 S/PDIF issue. Whenever I use digital in, the master clock will get stuck on S/PDIF, and I cannot use other audio applications for playback.
[18:17] <astraljava> The first time when it happened on Natty I was able to get it back by tweaking alsamixer to all possible positions, but now the second time I was unable to.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> weird
[18:18] <astraljava> Someone told me to get some other input, which at first didn't make any difference.
[18:18] <astraljava> Now, it just suddenly decided "Oh yay, I think he wants me to do something else today!"
[18:18] <astraljava> And suddenly, it's possible again.
[18:18] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I hate those type of things
[18:19] <charlie-tca> It just makes it so much harder to solve when it does happen again
[18:25] <astraljava> Exactly.
[18:34] <astraljava> Well, I will have to use this machine for recording only once I get another multimedia machine for living room stereos.
[18:35] <charlie-tca> That'll teach it to behave
[18:36] <astraljava> Yep. :)
[18:36] <astraljava> Though, to be honest, I do need to upgrade this one anyway, too. Might get another sound card as well.
[21:49] <charlie-tca> finally, I got my computer to work again
[21:51] <Unit193> Congrats! How is Oneiric? Did I need to do any testing? (With the failing that is)
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Not unless you really want to fight with it
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Testing at this stage requires knowing how to fix what breaks, since you can't really access anything when it breaks.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That is all I been doing for two hours, trying to get Oneiric to login again
[22:03] <charlie-tca> and yes, it is lightDM
[22:04] <Unit193> I had it working yesterday...
[22:04] <charlie-tca> yeah, that was then
[22:04] <Unit193> I understand things break from day to day
[22:05] <charlie-tca> We try to change a lot of stuff daily, to see if it will keep working
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Probably doesn't help that I modified the lightdm files, too
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Unit193: are you using lightdm now?
[22:08] <Unit193> Not on the main computer...
[22:08] <charlie-tca> aw, com'n
[22:08] <charlie-tca> what fun is testing if it doesn't break the main computer?
[22:09] <Unit193> I already have issues with Natty on it... (Have to randomly reboot it because of screen lockups!)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah, testing Oneiric does require a backup machine, too. When the main system really won't work, you use the backup system
[22:10] <charlie-tca> that's gonna get worse, too. I read the ati driver will have to be 915 or higher now
[22:10] <charlie-tca> also trying to stay with nvidia 04 and above, if possible, for best results.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> no, intel has to -915 now
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Can't even file bugs for less then that in launchpad
[22:12] <Unit193> That's crap
[22:12] <charlie-tca> ATI hasn't been determined yet, I guess. It has to use radeon or fglrx
[22:13] <charlie-tca> no, that's progress
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Intel dropped support for less than -915 almost a year ago
[22:15] <Unit193> But you should dump working computers just because they are old?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> no, you should find something that works on them, if possible.
[22:16] <Unit193> product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device |  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[22:16] <charlie-tca> I still got a working 386 here
[22:16] <Unit193> If I read that correct, I'll be fine?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> That makes it. -915 
[22:57] <Unit193> Sweet! I just did all updates and I still get the normal Xubuntu session! (Updated from yesterday when I installed LightDM)
[23:57] <charlie-tca> that's the way it should work!
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Now to make the live cd do that...
[23:58] <iHaku> Do what, exactly?