[00:32] <valorie> good meeting, sorry I missed it
[00:32] <valorie> otoh, going to Berlin for the DS!
[00:32] <valorie> got sponsorship word today
[00:37] <ScottK> valorie: Congratulations.
[00:38] <valorie> will you be attending?
[00:38] <valorie> and thanks
[00:38] <ScottK> Nope.  Pesky stuff like work gets in the way.
[00:38] <valorie> boo
[00:39] <ScottK> OTOH I got sent on a work trip for 4 days of meetings a 15 minute drive from my Dad's house last week, so it's not all bad.
[00:39] <valorie> btw, looking for good things between Gnomies and KDE people in the future
[00:39] <valorie> oh, that's cool
[00:40] <valorie> two Gnome people attended the sprint
[00:40] <ScottK> valorie: If Gnome actually was wiling to work on cross-platform stuff that'd be nice.
[00:40] <valorie> and I got to talk with both of them about building ties and cooperation
[00:40] <valorie> that's my goal
[00:40] <ScottK> (See Sebastian Trueg's mail on shared-desktop-ontologies for a recent example)
[00:41] <valorie> past history is past
[00:41] <ScottK> That's current
[00:41] <valorie> link?
[00:41] <ScottK> gimme a minute
[00:41] <valorie> or for what shall I google
[00:44] <ScottK> kde-core-devel <4DEF22C0.3090504@kde.org>
[00:44] <valorie> ah, I'm not on that list
[00:44] <valorie> not being a developer
[00:45] <ScottK> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=130751767302800&w=2
[00:45]  * ScottK isn't a KDE developer either.
[00:46] <ScottK> I can't post to it, but I am subscribed.
[00:48] <valorie> if you have any suggestions of people I should buttonhole, please tell me about it
[00:48] <valorie> I'll set up some meetings in Berlin if necessary, or do it via email, or both
[00:49] <valorie> I see this as part of the mission of the CWG
[00:49] <ScottK> No idea.  I just don't have the impression that they're very interested in cross desktop collaboration on terms other than other people do what they want.
[00:49] <ScottK> Not that I think it's much of a priority for Canonical either.
[00:49] <valorie> right
[00:49] <valorie> but Canonical is a company
[00:49] <ScottK> I get the sense of KDE trying to work with everyone and not having a lot of luck.
[00:49] <valorie> and there I have no influence
[00:50] <valorie> therefore, we need to speak to Gnome people who want the same thing
[00:50] <ScottK> What percentage of Gnome upstream development is done by Red Hat employees?
[00:50] <valorie> and connect them
[00:50] <valorie> gotcha
[00:50] <valorie> but it isn't ALL
[00:50] <ScottK> I think it's not a lot different.
[00:50] <valorie> right
[00:50] <ScottK> There are non-Canonical people that contribute to Unity too.
[00:50] <valorie> but in both communities there are those who want to cooperate
[00:51] <valorie> those people are not necessarily yet talking to one another
[00:51] <ScottK> It would be interesting to see some evidence for this.
[00:51] <valorie> if that can be facilitated, I want to do it
[00:51] <ScottK> Sure.
[00:51] <ScottK> There was a prototype of Evolution using Akonadi at Gran Canaria.
[00:52] <valorie> I'll be spreading the word, and hope to set some useful stuff up in Berlin
[00:52] <ScottK> Akonadi is not tied to any KDE tech.  It can be used by anyone.
[00:52] <ScottK> Now that Kmail has it's Akonadi release, I think it's a good time to renew the push to use it more broadly.
[00:53] <ScottK> (It will be released by the time of the meeting)
[00:53] <valorie> Zeitgeist is becoming cross-platform
[00:53] <ScottK> steveire: Is kdepim going to have a release to go with kdepim 4.7 beta 2?
[00:53] <valorie> I spent quite a bit of time with Seif Lotfy at the sprint
[00:53] <valorie> as did Trever
[00:54] <ScottK> Gnome originally rejected Zeitgeist because it was on Launchpad.
[00:54] <valorie> yeah, he's having some trouble with the Gnome community
[00:54] <ScottK> Apparently the only cross-platform tech they are interested in is on git.gnome.org.
[00:54] <valorie> :(
[00:55] <ScottK> The reason Zeitgeist moved to cross-platform was, at least in part, because Gnome rejected them.
[00:55] <ScottK> Also there was this Kubuntu guy that shared a room with Seif at UDS Brussels and kept showing off his shiny Plasma Netbook stuff.
[00:56] <ScottK> ;-)
[00:56] <valorie> right, and he's giving me some Gnome people to talk to
[00:56] <valorie> Seif now has a KDE desktop installed
[00:56] <valorie> not sure on which distro
[00:57] <valorie> probably fedora, which we can blame trever for
[01:00] <ScottK> debfx: According to his patch pilot report jdstrand took care of it.
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> debfx: turns out pinotree had a 4 line patch that could do the whole thing :P
[06:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://tinyurl.com/3oksd6x
[09:33] <debfx> JontheEchidna: lol, didn't know extractrc could do that too :)
[11:02] <steveire> ScottK: Yep. For 4.7 we should be on the SC schedule
[11:22] <debfx> it's amazing how much useless stuff we have on the dvd, like 185MB latex docs
[11:31] <debfx> why don't we drop that and add useful packages like firefox and thunderbird
[11:59] <ScottK> debfx: I'd be fine with that, but I think it should have some discussion.
[14:13] <didrocks> debfx: ScottK: thanks to agateau, we have now an excellent qt transparent binding for indicator. I just packaged and tested it. As appmenu, it need a Qt patch (successfully built in my ppa) and a new plugin package (sni-qt).
[14:14] <didrocks> ScottK: I think you are the best for NEWing the package once I've pushed it?
[14:14] <ScottK> didrocks: We already have appmenu patches for Qt?
[14:15] <didrocks> ScottK: this one is for application indicators (systray)
[14:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:15] <didrocks> yeah Qt and KDE apps doesn't use the same API
[14:15] <didrocks> so only KDE apps are exposed in appindicator
[14:16] <didrocks> not Qt apps like mumble/skype
[14:16] <ScottK> So I know KDE is interested in trying to migrate the new systray protocol to Qt.
[14:16] <ScottK> This should be coordinated with them.
[14:17] <didrocks> so, that will give another reason to use the sni protocole :)
[14:17] <ScottK> What is sni protocol?
[14:17] <didrocks> yeah, I think agateau is already aware?
[14:17] <ScottK> Yes, I'm sure.
[14:17] <didrocks> System Notification I(nterface?)
[14:18] <didrocks> Systray rather
[14:18] <ScottK> How is this different than what we already did for systray/dbusmenu in KDE (I know it's in Qt, but design wise)?
[14:18] <didrocks> ScottK: it seems similar to me, adding a directory with plugins (where the new package install one)
[14:18] <ScottK> I thought the goal was to move KStatusNotifier to QstatusNotifier
[14:18] <didrocks> but let's wait for agateau :)
[14:19]  * didrocks makes some additional tests meanwhile
[14:21] <didrocks> StatusNotifierItems in fact
[14:21] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's it.
[14:22] <ScottK> So is what you're proposing the QStatusNotifierItem implementation?
[14:22] <agateau> not exactly
[14:23] <agateau> ScottK: it turns existing Qt systemtray icons into StatusNotifierItems
[14:23] <agateau> ScottK: applications do not know about it
[14:23] <ScottK> OK.
[14:23] <agateau> ScottK: which is quite interesting for a certain proprietary VoIP application icon
[14:23] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:24] <ScottK> Might be useful a useful concept for Wine and Java too (not in a Qt context)
[14:24] <agateau> indeed
[14:24] <ScottK> So this is somewhat the opposite of QStatusNotifierItem?
[14:24] <agateau> I don't see it like that
[14:25] <ScottK> OK.
[14:25] <agateau> I think there is a need for an explicit QStatusNotifierItem class/library
[14:25] <ScottK> Which apps would have to port to.
[14:25] <ScottK> (I got that)
[14:25] <agateau> because right now I am mapping the QSystemTrayIcon API to the SNI protocol
[14:25] <ScottK> Is this SNI protocol documented anywhere?
[14:25] <agateau> but there are features in SNI you can't reach with QSystemTrayIcon
[14:26] <ScottK> Has it been discussed outside Ubuntu?
[14:26] <agateau> Yes:
[14:26] <agateau> SNI comes from Plasma: http://www.notmart.org/misc/statusnotifieritem/index.html
[14:27] <agateau> It has been discussed with Qt devs, but nowhere else yet
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  What's Qt's position on this?
[14:28] <agateau> They want it
[14:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'd like for fabo to review the patch if he has time.
[14:29] <agateau> sounds good to me
[14:29]  * ScottK recommends the last 15 minutes of backscroll to fabo.
[14:29] <agateau> patch is quite invasive on the QSystemTrayIcon class though
[14:29] <ScottK> So we should get an upstream review/ack on the patch I think.
[14:29] <ScottK> We don't want to regress other use cases.
[14:29]  * fabo looks
[14:31] <agateau> ScottK: fabo: regarding regressions, it is important to understand that as long as the sni-qt package is not installed, Qt should behave as before
[14:31] <debfx> agateau: do you think upstreams wants to make QSystemTrayIcon use SNI or only provide a separate SNI class?
[14:31] <ScottK> As long as the patch is correct I'd imagine.
[14:32] <didrocks> ScottK: agateau: I tested mumble and skype (had to install it for that :/) with and without the sni-qt package and confirm that I have it as an indicator in the first case and in the systray without it
[14:32] <ScottK> agateau: True, but I expect if it works well we'll want to include it for many of the same reasons unity-2d would want it.
[14:33] <agateau> debfx: the problem for upstream is that creating a QSystemTrayIcon class in QtGui is that it would introduce a dependency from QtGui on QtDBus which they don't want
[14:33] <ScottK> didrocks: OK. Keep in mind that from our (Kubuntu) view it's all systray, just two different implementations.
[14:33] <agateau> debfx: having it done has plugins (like appmenu) avoids that
[14:33] <didrocks> ScottK: that's the reason why I tried the systray in unity and gnome-panel, should work in kubuntu I guess
[14:34] <ScottK> It'd be interesting to test in lxde.
[14:34] <agateau> ScottK: what I meant with "should behave as before" is that the patch "just" introduce a plugin system for QSystemTrayIcon
[14:34] <ScottK> That's make should tell you if you got your dependencies right.
[14:34] <agateau> ScottK: then the sni-qt provides a plugin which implements SNI support
[14:34] <ScottK> agateau: OK.
[14:35] <agateau> ScottK: regarding KDE support, I developed most of it running KDE :)
[14:35] <ScottK> agateau: Of course.
[14:35] <agateau> :)
[14:37] <didrocks> ScottK: I can already push the sni-qt package if you want to make a review of it
[14:37] <ScottK> didrocks: Let's get fabo's review of the Qt patch first.
[14:37] <didrocks> sure then :)
[14:38] <ScottK> Also I can review the packaging, but I'm not qualified to review the upstream code.
[14:38] <didrocks> ScottK: I got a look at agateau's code (to prepare the review I'll do as MIR team member), seems good to me
[14:38] <ScottK> OK.
[14:39] <ScottK> This is poor timing to introduce any new Qt features upstream.
[14:39] <ScottK> I'd like to understand the plan for this though.
[14:45] <agateau> ScottK: not sure there is much of a plan: it's just that lack of SNI support in Qt apps was considered a problem to fix
[14:46] <agateau> ScottK: I agree the fact that Qt 4.8 is branched and there won't be 4.9 is unfortunate from a timing point of view
[14:46] <agateau> ScottK: but I expect Qt 5 will still come with systemtray support and it won't be much different from Qt 4, so this work can be re-used/adapted
[14:47] <ScottK> agateau: Agreed, but I'd like (as we did with the appmenue work) to get them on board before we patch our stuff.
[14:48] <agateau> ScottK: sure. I am going to Qt contributor summit next week, and will probably discuss this then
[14:48] <agateau> ScottK: it's a bit early to request a merge though, I think
[14:48] <agateau> brb
[14:49] <Quintasan> I AM A FREE MAN
[14:49] <jussi> Quintasan: did you get your parcel yet? 
[14:49] <Quintasan> nah
[14:49] <Quintasan> not yet, Freescale is being lazy and my support request is still unassigned
[14:50] <Quintasan> But I'm apparently done with my tests
[14:50] <yofel> Quintasan: if you're free do kdenetwork 4.6.4, it's the only thing left and has patch rejects, and I'm a bit busy currently
[14:50] <Quintasan> sure, let me go to shop and buy myself a beer
[14:50] <yofel> ^^
[14:51] <Quintasan> jussi: Do you think it is worth calling them and annoying them about my support request?
[14:51] <jussi> yes
[14:51] <jussi> Quintasan: thought to try their online chat? 
[14:51] <Quintasan> nah, phone call
[14:52] <jussi> Quintasan: it may be quicker and cheaper to try it first
[14:53] <Quintasan> jussi: pestering mode on
[14:53] <jussi> Quintasan: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=05
[14:54]  * jussi disappears for a bit
[15:36] <maco> ScottK: KC approved the blueprints right? so skaet can mark the kubuntu accessibility one as approved for oneiric?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> valorie: wohoo i'm coming as well!!!
[15:40]  * Sput notest that he had to put a lot of work into Quassel in order to support SNI properly (including fallbacks and whatnot), and would be really glad if that stuff moved into Qt proper so he could just use QSystemTrayIcon
[16:07] <ScottK> maco: Sure.
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> neat, now we're not only undersized for i386, but for amd64 and amd64+mac as well
[16:30] <ScottK> Kewl.  Wait 'til 4.7 hits.
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[16:32] <afiestas> apachelogger: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ Xd...
[16:33]  * apachelogger wonders whether clicking that is a good idea ^^
[16:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how did that happen?
[16:42] <debfx> I hope we don't have to ship gtk2 and 3
[16:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-oneiric-kubuntu
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think that booting firefox and jiggling around the langpack order fixed things
[16:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: to make it work all our specs need to be in a state of approved, can you please take care of that
[16:43] <ScottK> Yes.  In just a bit.
[16:43] <apachelogger> despite KC being approver for most of them it appears I cannot approve stuff
[16:43]  * apachelogger finds that rubbish
[16:43] <ScottK> Interesting.
[16:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: awesome, thanks
[16:43] <davmor2> apachelogger: it's a great song but it will be stuck in your head for months
[16:44]  * apachelogger wonders where to get food today
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> can't be worse than nyan cat
[16:45] <davmor2> apachelogger: Some where that sells food, don't try a diy store for gods sake ;)
[16:45] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:45] <maco> yeah, despite the evidence kindergarteners like to provide, paste isn't really food
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5PiXt6INSM (earworm warning)
[16:47] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: did you hear the narwhal song?
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: yes
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> reminded me of the badger song
[16:57] <apachelogger> who wants to minute the meeting? 
[17:09] <steveire> afiestas_office: pong btw
[17:11] <afiestas_office> steveire: kdelibs is not building because a kdeuiproxy test
[17:11] <afiestas_office> let me get the error
[17:13] <afiestas_office> kdelibs/kdeui/tests/kselectionproxymodeltestsuite.h:84:7: error: ‘TestData’ is not a template type
[17:15] <steveire> Ok, I'll check it out later
[17:17] <steveire> git dif
[17:17] <steveire> Oops. Focus follows mind again :)
[17:19] <apachelogger> someone should use a webcam to implement focus follows eyes 
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> libqt4-dbg lost some weight, I think something's broken.
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/LJGbc.png
[17:25] <debfx> didrocks: ^
[17:26] <didrocks> debfx: on "debfx | I hope we don't have to ship gtk2 and 3" or something else?
[17:26] <debfx> didrocks: about libqt4-dbg
[17:26] <debfx> didrocks: CXXFLAGS := $(shell dpkg-buildflags --get CXXFLAGS) -fno-strict-aliasing
[17:27] <debfx> should fix it
[17:27] <didrocks> oh yeah, right
[17:27] <didrocks> fixing this then if you want sorry about it
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[17:29] <didrocks> yw, sorry for it in the first place ;)
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> 400 MiB space freed on any upgrade makes me paranoid to go through each of the packages looking for space changes :P
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> after of course scanning the list to see if half my packages are being removed
[17:30] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: you always install the -dbg package btw, not the -dbgsym?
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah. -dbg is a convention within some packaging teams in debian
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> and since I do development on KDE apps for Kubuntu, I always have the -dbgs installed
[17:31] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: sure, in all package, no need to create delta removing them, but I'm used to only install dbgsym in ubuntu :)
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> it's a thing of convenience. I don't have the -dbgsym repo enabled, actually
[17:32] <didrocks> as we don't handle Replaces: on them automatically AFAIK
[17:32] <didrocks> yeah, make sense then :)
[17:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think I did them all.  Please let me know if I missed anything.
[17:35]  * debfx wishes one could unsubscribe from blueprint metadata changes
[18:02] <mgraesslin> ScottK: just an idea: would you be interested to pull in the KWin-Wayland patches for 11.10?
[18:02]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[18:03] <Quintasan> yofel: PING
[18:03] <mgraesslin> the impact on KWin codebase is rather low (luckily) and my current approach is to automatically compile Wayland support if present in EGL mode
[18:05] <apachelogger> wayland ftw
[18:06] <Quintasan> We have rejects in kdefilesharing patches
[18:06]  * Quintasan is working on it
[18:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: one of kubuntu users suggested on identi.ca that we approach luckybackup as our backup application
[18:14]  * Quintasan looked at it
[18:14] <Quintasan> I won't spoil the fun for you apachelogger
[18:23] <yofel> Quintasan: thanks
[18:24] <cnd> I want to fix the qt + wacom bug, but krita just spins in a loop pegging my processor in oneiric
[18:24] <cnd> anyone know of a fix?
[18:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do we want kubuntu_05_samba_sharing.diff to remove desktop files from kdenetwork?
[18:26] <Quintasan> oh wait
[18:26] <apachelogger> eh?
[18:26] <Quintasan> this is one hellish patch
[18:27] <Quintasan> kubuntu_05_samba_sharing.diff 
[18:27] <Quintasan> this
[18:27] <apachelogger> supposedly it should go away in 4.7
[18:27] <apachelogger> that patch is part of rbelem's filesharing work IIRC
[18:27] <Quintasan> tries removing desktop files from filesharing/simple and somehow fails at it
[18:28] <ScottK> cnd: I'd try to fix it in Natty.  Probably easier to bring a fix forward than the reverse.
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> you could just remove that chunk and put any new filesharing .desktop files that appear in not-installed
[18:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you haz time to prescreen a blog post?
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I am still funemployed, so yes
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> though hopefully not for long, I might have a lead
[18:29] <cnd> ScottK, too late, had to update my develop machine to oneiric for other work :)
[18:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you becoming engineer at boeing?
[18:29] <ScottK> cnd: vm?
[18:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mail is on the way
[18:29] <cnd> ScottK, can't easily do multitouch in a vm
[18:30] <ScottK> OK
[18:30] <ScottK> koffice hasn't changed and kde hasn't changed much yet, so I suspect something lower in the stack is causing problems.
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I don't think KDE SC is an acceptable term any more :P
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> yay brand confusion
[18:31] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Those desktop files are in source tree, not in final package
[18:31] <Quintasan> Well, what ever
[18:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You are supposed to say KDE Frameworks, KDE workspaces, and KDE applications instead.
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: right, the patch removes them by anti-diffing them, but if those change even slightly things breaks. better to just leave them alone in the source and not install them
[18:32] <Quintasan> k
[18:33] <apachelogger> the reason that is confusing is because the whole module stuff is utterly pointless and actually bad for all sorts of stuff
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> I just call it KDE, tbh
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> ENOCRAPSGIVEN
[18:34]  * rbelem kicks Quintasan 
[18:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: too much awesome? can that be possible at all? 
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:34]  * apachelogger kicks Quintasan too
[18:34] <rbelem> :-D
[18:34] <ScottK> Odd
[18:34]  * Quintasan kicks apachelogger back with a round house
[18:35] <apachelogger> zomg
[18:35] <Quintasan> rbelem: What the hell?
[18:35] <ScottK> apachelogger kicks Quintasan and rbelem wakes up.
[18:35] <apachelogger> magic
[18:35] <rbelem> :-D
[18:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you notice my subtle doctor who reference?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> uhh! I have failed
[18:36] <apachelogger> lol
[18:36] <apachelogger> wanna try again? :P
[18:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/80227
[18:36] <Quintasan> like this?
[18:37] <Quintasan> rbelem: What did I do? Why are you kicking me?
[18:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  He's just waking up. It's apachelogger.
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: presumably
[18:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: 
[18:37] <Quintasan> [19:34:29] -*- rbelem kicks Quintasan 
[18:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: actually two of them, combined they make for the overall image
[18:37] <Quintasan> sup
[18:37] <rbelem> Quintasan, coz you were talking about my patch :-D
[18:37] <ScottK> Oh.  Missed that one.
[18:38] <Quintasan> rbelem: Yeah, you remove desktop by anti-diffing and it breaks :P
[18:38] <Quintasan> desktop files*
[18:38] <rbelem> Quintasan, hum...
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, Lord President is one of them
[18:39]  * JontheEchidna slaps self
[18:39] <apachelogger> *nod*
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> not sure about the other one
[18:40] <Quintasan> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk
[18:40] <apachelogger> "Ascend into creates of pure awesome" ... in end of time p2 lord president says "we will ascend, to become creatures of consciousness alone"
[18:40] <Quintasan> not found
[18:40] <Quintasan> wtf
[18:40] <Quintasan> !package pkg-kde-tools
[18:40] <apachelogger> also mind my typo there
[18:41] <Quintasan> !info pkg-kde-tools
[18:41] <Quintasan> !info pkg-kde-tools oneiric
[18:41] <Quintasan> lol
[18:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: /2/ is only in one-eye-rick
[18:41] <Quintasan> !@#$##$%@#
[18:42] <yofel> and natty-backports
[18:42] <Quintasan> DAMN YOU WIKI
[18:49] <bambee> evening
[18:54] <Quintasan> Y U NO SAVE SOURCES.LIST PBUILDER?
[18:57] <Quintasan> GRRRRRRR
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> did you do --save-after-login?
[18:59] <Quintasan> of course
[19:03] <Quintasan> !info libktorrent-dev
[19:03] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm not sure if pkg-kde-tools are in natty-backports :/
[19:04] <yofel>      0.14.0ubuntu1~natty1 0
[19:04] <yofel>         500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-backports/main i386 Packages
[19:06] <Quintasan> why the hell it is lower that 0.9 then?
[19:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: natty-backports is not-automatic.  You need to specify you want the package from it.
[19:07] <ScottK> (or mess with pinning)
[19:08]  * Quintasan reverts to older boost and ktorrent
[19:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm building against libboost1.42 and ktorrent 1.0.5
[19:09] <Quintasan> is this what we want?
[19:09] <ScottK> No.
[19:09] <ScottK> Wait
[19:09] <ScottK> Natty or Oneiric?
[19:09] <Quintasan> for natty
[19:10] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:10] <Quintasan> Cool
[19:10] <Quintasan> yofel: Will upload to PPA soonish
[19:11] <yofel> Quintasan: er wait, which packaging did you use?
[19:11] <Quintasan> bzr
[19:11] <Quintasan> and downgraded deps
[19:11] <yofel> bzr from 4.6.3-0ubuntu1 right?
[19:12] <yofel> we don't want the oneiric packaging in natty
[19:12] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/80263
[19:12] <Quintasan> rules
[19:12] <Quintasan> we want old ones or not?
[19:13] <yofel> we want the natty packaging for the natty packages
[19:13] <yofel> if you're trying to use pkg-kde-tools from O then you've got the wrong one
[19:13] <Quintasan> hurrr
[19:14]  * Quintasan abandons the warship
[19:22] <Quintasan> WTF IS THIS
[19:22] <Quintasan> yofel: this is confusing
[19:23] <Quintasan> where the hell is the old pacakging ~_~
[19:24] <yofel> either older bzr rev, or ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[19:35]  * Quintasan testbuilds and uploads
[19:35] <apachelogger> sheytan_: pingy
[19:36] <sheytan> apachelogger pongy
[19:36] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Would you please join #ubuntu-x and talk to tjaalton about it?
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: can I get a blog header for kde multimedia
[19:37] <apachelogger> perhaps just http://apachelog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/headerphonon.png?w=940&h=198&crop=1 with KDE instead of phonon everywhere?
[19:38] <sheytan> apachelogger you didn't deserve one!
[19:38] <apachelogger> awww :(
[19:38] <apachelogger> y not? :'(
[19:38] <sheytan> yeah, cause you don't like python.
[19:39] <apachelogger> well, it is a horrible language :P
[19:39] <apachelogger> java > pyth0rn
[19:41] <sheytan> apachelogger we all know that you're coding in python, somwhere in a basement, only to not let one know. You even bought a python snake. I saw you in a petshow :D
[19:41] <sheytan> admit it :D
[19:41] <Quintasan> @_@
[19:41]  * Quintasan found out something very interesting about apachelogger
[19:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^^
[19:42] <apachelogger> yes, I am addicted to .prn, get over it
[19:42] <Quintasan> .py rather
[19:42] <sheytan> apachelogger you see? Wasn't so hard to get the header :D
[19:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: even if I did, I'd do so under contract and probably non disclosure agreement :P
[19:44] <sheytan> ooh :D 
[19:44] <sheytan> you'll get one in a minute
[19:44] <Quintasan> sheytan: reupload business cards please
[19:44] <Quintasan> yofel: uploads to ppa:ninjas/ppa?
[19:45] <sheytan> Quintasan oh, i forgot. Sorry. sec
[19:45] <shadeslayer> okay so ... in another 18 hours, i shall be free of exams \o/
[19:45] <shadeslayer> 2 months of holidays, dedicated to GSoC and Kubuntu <3
[19:45]  * Quintasan has a party tomorrow
[19:45] <Quintasan> yofel: Uploadan
[19:47] <Quintasan> brb
[19:47] <Quintasan> tea
[19:47] <yofel> yeah, ninjas
[19:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: holidays?
[19:48] <apachelogger> lolwut?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:49] <apachelogger> never heared of that
[19:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: summer holidays ... well .. technically ... 
[19:49]  * apachelogger googles
[19:49] <sheytan> apachelogger living in a basement made you that kind of men. Trust me. 
[19:49] <apachelogger> reads like "time so that one can waste time" *shrug*
[19:49] <sheytan> with a python snake ;D
[19:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am going to berlinz btw
[19:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kool :)
[19:49] <apachelogger> sheytan: snakes are all sorts of awesome
[19:50] <Quintasan> REKONQ CRASHES FTW
[19:50] <sheytan> apachelogger no, i hate them.
[19:50] <apachelogger> awww :(
[19:50] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: ping
[19:51] <Quintasan> yofel: uploaded
[19:54] <yofel> good, if that builds and someone tests I can release it
[19:55] <sheytan> apachelogger :http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/4855/headerkde.png
[19:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: thank you :*
[19:56] <sheytan> apachelogger you'll thank me when you come back home :*
[19:56] <sheytan> i'm waitin' :)
[19:57] <Quintasan> lol
[19:57]  * sheytan fuck! Forgot that this chat is logged ;/
[19:57] <apachelogger> plenty of ways to interpret both statements right there
[19:58] <Quintasan> :O
[19:58] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/the-future-of-kde-multimedia/
[20:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: we want a snapshot of plasma-active in repos?
[20:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes
[20:05] <apachelogger> for that we need 4.7 first though
[20:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, you've still not replied what the targets for ARM + Kubuntu are this cycle
[20:09] <apachelogger> failed to compute
[20:09] <apachelogger> what do you mean?
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anything particular that we are supposed to do for ARM this cycle?
[20:09] <apachelogger> see blog post & mobile todo
[20:10] <apachelogger> KRF: is all amarok sexy in master yet?
[20:10]  * Quintasan is yet to receive his AAARRRRRM device
[20:11] <shadeslayer> omg
[20:11] <shadeslayer> xoom has a unlocked bootloader?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> aw
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Worth try to support : No
[20:12] <Quintasan> ofc
[20:12] <apachelogger> apparently my arm device should be waiting in upper austria already
[20:12] <apachelogger> or some arm device at least ^^
[20:12] <shadeslayer> i hear tegra has linux support coming soonish
[20:12] <Quintasan> jussi: lol @ Freescale
[20:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: define linux support
[20:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: proper kernel builds etc
[20:13]  * apachelogger points out that android uses linux
[20:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: proper kernel builds?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> which support powermanagement and other important bits like sound etc
[20:13] <apachelogger> from nvidia?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, they had something called linux4tegra
[20:14] <apachelogger> ehm, I think l4t is something different
[20:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ... what is it?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so .... if we have a unlocked bootloader ... can we sensibily boot kubuntu on it and make plasma active run?
[20:16] <apachelogger> oh indeed l4t is the drivers
[20:16] <bambee> shadeslayer: linux4tegra ? it's an outdated base system based on karmic :D
[20:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:17] <shadeslayer> saddness
[20:17] <bambee> linux4tegra is actually dead, see the page
[20:17] <apachelogger> an unlocked bootloader is only the first requirement
[20:17] <apachelogger> in a long chain of requirements
[20:17] <shadeslayer> bambee: yes, but another page says they're going to revive it soon
[20:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like>
[20:17] <apachelogger> kernel support
[20:17] <apachelogger> if you dont have a kernel there is no way to run kubuntu on it
[20:18] <apachelogger> graphics driver (with gles support), touch screen driver, powermanagement, sound driver etc. etc.
[20:18] <shadeslayer> well ... like i said
[20:18] <shadeslayer> does not have loads of critical features that nvidia is required to provide 
[20:18] <shadeslayer> bbiab call
[20:22] <shadeslayer> right so
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Tegra is out of the question
[20:23] <shadeslayer> bambee: http://developer.nvidia.com/node/19086 >> RETURNING
[20:23] <shadeslayer> SOON
[20:25] <bambee> shadeslayer: the ac100 devs are waiting it since few months now :'(
[20:25] <shadeslayer> :'(
[20:25] <shadeslayer> bambee: i'm thinking of picking up a wetab when i'm in berlin in August
[20:26] <bambee> wetab <3
[20:27] <bambee> so you will test kubuntu for tablets :)
[20:27] <shadeslayer> because thats the only tablet that looks feasible   right now
[20:29] <bambee> I don't know If I want an omap4 or a wetab.... (ARM ftw)
[20:29] <jussi> Quintasan: wot? 
[20:29] <shadeslayer> bambee: i'm stuck in the same situation
[20:30] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: pong
[20:30] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: aw, we had a meeting about 30 minutes ago
[20:31] <mgraesslin> sorry was watching Big Bang Theory :-(
[20:31] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: basically QA stuff
[20:31] <shadeslayer> <3 BBT
[20:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: whats the cheapest price you can find on the wetab?
[20:32] <apachelogger> bambee: wetab is insanely heavy
[20:32] <apachelogger> not a particular consumer device
[20:32] <apachelogger> developers: yes, consumers: no
[20:33] <apachelogger> it is like having a tablet pc without keyboard really
[20:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wow really?
[20:33] <bambee> apachelogger: really?
[20:33] <shadeslayer> okay
[20:34] <apachelogger> bambee: yeah, not something I'd like to hold with one hand for long
[20:34] <bambee> but wetab is x86-based. omap4 is arm-based :P
[20:35] <bambee> ARM is for lord users 
[20:35] <bambee> :P
[20:35] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[20:35] <apachelogger> bambee: the only sensible omap4 tab at this time is the HTC flyer
[20:35] <apachelogger> and that hits with 600 EUR
[20:35] <bambee> I was talking about the development board. (pandaboard)
[20:35] <bambee> :)
[20:36] <apachelogger> that is not very much for lord user though :P
[20:36] <bambee> well :P
[20:37] <shadeslayer> bambee: there's no sane way to get touch input in the pandaboard
[20:38] <apachelogger> sure there is
[20:38] <apachelogger> usb touch screen
[20:38] <apachelogger> ah
[20:38] <apachelogger> unlike beagle the panda has a usb port IIRC ^^
[20:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure, but try finding a 10" touch screen with a usb inpuit
[20:38] <shadeslayer> *input
[20:39] <apachelogger> why 10"?
[20:39] <apachelogger> 7 is very sufficient
[20:39] <apachelogger> and about 50 EUR
[20:39] <apachelogger> http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/607
[20:39] <apachelogger> first hit on google
[20:39]  * shadeslayer looks
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do we have drivers for that?
[20:40] <jussi> apachelogger: and if you take the times to make a few comments and ratings you get free moneyz :P
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the only usb touchscreen  i have available in india is like 2.5
[20:40]  * apachelogger points out that many touchscreens built into tablets appear to be usb screens
[20:40] <apachelogger> like my tablet has one I think
[20:40] <jussi> shadeslayer: its compatible with eepc, so I guess we do
[20:41] <shadeslayer> quite interesting, i thought mostly touchscreens had proprietary connectors
[20:41] <shadeslayer> alrighty, i have to finish this last chapter and revise
[20:41] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:41] <apachelogger> usb
[20:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: surely you should be able to find cheap usb touch screens sold by some company in china
[20:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .. import duties here are like 35%
[20:43] <shadeslayer> so even if there's some cheap device, shipping + imports make it quite expensieve
[20:43] <apachelogger> I am decently sure you should be able to find one for like 10 USD
[20:43] <shadeslayer> i mostly order whatever i need via http://9circuits.com/
[20:43] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:43] <shadeslayer> will check later on
[20:44] <apachelogger> it is not like there is a lot of tech in that thing :P
[20:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:45] <shadeslayer> will talk tomorrow, cya
[21:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer for d_ed
[21:12]  * kubotu gives d_ed a nice frosty mug of beer.
[21:13] <d_ed> hey mr apachelogger
[21:13] <apachelogger> you just made my day
[21:13] <d_ed> I introduced 3 KDE developers to "pink fluffy unicorns" today.
[21:13] <apachelogger> uhh
[21:13] <d_ed> as well as a song about narwhals.
[21:13] <apachelogger> :D
[21:13] <apachelogger> you are awesome!
[21:14] <d_ed> well I like to think so
[21:14] <d_ed> thanks very much
[21:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: you should have a look at kubuntu-devel list and make a mockup for awesome ligthdm theme :P
[21:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I might have to poke you about a mockup for a KDE soundmenu
[21:16] <apachelogger> i.e. like that thing https://github.com/Caccc/Gnome-shell-extension-Mediasplayers/raw/master/screenshot.png
[21:16] <apachelogger> except bettar
[21:16] <apachelogger> s/bettar/bettarrr/g
[21:16] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "except bettarrr"
[21:16] <d_ed> ooh, wow. I like your bot.
[21:17] <d_ed> I assume kubotu is a bot
[21:17] <d_ed> otherwise I've just offended someone
[21:17] <DarkwingDuck> LD
[21:17] <DarkwingDuck> Hey apachelogger, We are switching to whiteboards on the blueprints or, are we keeping up with the wiki?
[21:18] <apachelogger> skaet is working on getting us a setup, so I suppose we might as well switch
[21:19] <apachelogger> once I figured out how that stuff handles unassigned items
[21:19] <apachelogger> cause if they do not show up that breaks the "browsing for things to do" use case
[21:19] <apachelogger> d_ed: lol, like people always mistake me for a bot ^^
[21:20] <skaet> apachelogger, can you just assign them to kubuntu-dev team?  when there isn't someone already signed up.  Would that work?
[21:20] <sheytan> apachelogger login mockup already done, not one time. I did some for KDM-plasma. let me show you
[21:21] <apachelogger> skaet: yep, would be an option I suppose
[21:22] <skaet> apachelogger, that's what robbiew did for the ubuntu server ones.
[21:22] <apachelogger> skaet: I'd still think it should be able to handle no assignee though ;)
[21:23] <skaet> apachelogger, no arguments,  patches welcome...  ;)
[21:23] <yofel> folks: natty 4.6.4 packages in ninja PPA need some testing
[21:23]  * apachelogger runs as he fears python might be involved
[21:24] <apachelogger> yofel: will they break my system, cause I am tyring to do important work :P
[21:24] <yofel> as they'll go into the updates ppa they shouldn't :P (I would rather brake your system though than the one of lord user :PP)
[21:25] <DarkwingDuck> sometimes I hate apt
[21:25] <yofel> er.. break
[21:25] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: huh?
[21:25] <DarkwingDuck> How do you install recommended packages automagiclly?
[21:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it does that by default
[21:26] <yofel> should at least
[21:26] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7461/basegi.jpg
[21:26] <apachelogger> d__ed: http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7461/basegi.jpg
[21:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: for documentation purposes you might actually want to send that to david's mail on the kubuntu-devel ml
[21:27] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger, yofel It's not... http://paste.ubuntu.com/622848/
[21:27] <apachelogger> suggested != recommended
[21:27] <sheytan> apachelogger i need to remake it still :)
[21:27] <d__ed> *clicks*
[21:27] <DarkwingDuck> rather... Suggested packages
[21:28] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: for apt-get --install-suggests
[21:28] <yofel> (see manpage)
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> HAH
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, i was digging manpages.
[21:28] <apachelogger> or if you want you can also make that permanent
[21:28]  * DarkwingDuck hates those too
[21:28] <apachelogger> APT::Install-Suggests "true";
[21:28] <apachelogger> probably
[21:28] <apachelogger> in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[21:28] <apachelogger> you might want to consult lord google though
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ^that is correct
[21:29] <apachelogger> < not as forgetful as he thought
[21:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: where am I staying for DS?
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> you can also just do this: http://i.imgur.com/sbLB2.png
[21:30] <yofel> nice :)
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I just did a fresh install (HD Went out) Have not replaced Muon yet.
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> But I refuse to open kpackagekit
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> heh
[21:31] <d__ed> I like the mockup, I can make that.
[21:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: dude, use imgur
[21:31] <shadeslayer> imageshack blocks me :/
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> Muon uses/sets the system APT settings, so you'll have to give your password to change those, but it's otherwise just as simple as hitting a checkbox
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> I decided not to RAID my HDs. I think I'm going to use the second bay as a dev HD
[21:31] <yofel> sheytan: nice mockup :O
[21:32] <shadeslayer> someone post that mockup to imgur will ya
[21:32]  * JontheEchidna drags link to pastebin plasma widget
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> <3 pastebin plasma widget
[21:32] <apachelogger> clearly plasma is a drag
[21:32] <apachelogger> ...
[21:32] <apachelogger> :P
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[21:33] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> the image is a bit big...
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm, the applet gave me the red circle-and-slash of death
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> oh!
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/bthLW.jpg
[21:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: wait a bit
[21:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:35] <shadeslayer> :O
[21:35] <apachelogger> totally weird bug that is
[21:35] <shadeslayer> ^^ indeed
[21:36] <shadeslayer> d__ed: plz2make that mockup a reality
[21:36] <apachelogger> hm
[21:36] <apachelogger> I have not used the private ppas in ages
[21:36] <apachelogger> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[21:36] <apachelogger> must ahve done something wrong :(
[21:36] <sheytan> shadeslayer wait till tomorrow :)
[21:36] <shadeslayer> oooh
[21:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are you accomodating for DS?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the hostel
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats pretty much all i know about accomodation, Claudia hasn't sent me the details yet
[21:38] <sheytan> apachelogger if you could talk to someone who's writing the menu bar plasmoid to allow make the font bold and change it's color for oneric, i would make more mockups for ya :D
[21:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: testing
[21:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, I should poke claudia about accomodation then I suppose
[21:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaik everyone is getting accomodation ... 
[21:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: meet agateau, author fo the menubar plasmoid
[21:40] <shadeslayer> unless you didn't apply for it
[21:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh dunno
[21:40] <Nightrose> chose one of the hotels on desktopsummit.org?
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I wouldn't even know where to apply
[21:41]  * apachelogger notes that workflows are all messed up these days
[21:41] <shadeslayer> fooey : Need to get 790 MB/880 MB of archives.
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you had to send a email to kde ev
[21:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about appartment for a selected few?
[21:41]  * apachelogger likes the appartment accomodation style
[21:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: could also work of course
[21:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but i already have a room - just fyi
[21:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, I did that, though only about travel reimbursment
[21:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: awww :(
[21:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also, Mamarok was complaining that we are still not married
[21:42] <Nightrose> *nod*
[21:42] <apachelogger> we should fix that, even though there is no bug report
[21:42] <Nightrose> i agree
[21:45]  * apachelogger finds the ds site very confusing
[21:46] <apachelogger> "Please note: Booking of accommodation for sponsored attendees is done by the travel committees of GNOME and KDE, so if you have applied for sponsorship or are planning to do so, you need to contact the travel committees who will make the booking for you in a hostel close to the location. Do not book the accommodation yourself, or else the travel committee will not be able to reimburse you."
[21:46]  * apachelogger wonders whether he is a sponsored attendee
[21:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what qualifies a sponsored attendee?
[21:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: did you get an email from claudia saying the eV will reimburse you?
[21:47] <apachelogger> travel, yes
[21:47] <Nightrose> then you'll likely not get one of those rooms
[21:47] <apachelogger> I see
[21:48] <apachelogger> I should apply for a job at canonical and go to DS on work time ^^
[21:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but you're only 18 right? :P
[21:48] <apachelogger> 19!
[21:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:49] <shadeslayer> 19 in human years or 19 in unicorn years>?
[21:50] <apachelogger> txwikinger: can I crush on your couch? ^^
[21:51] <apachelogger> ah, right wrong person
[21:51] <apachelogger> Blizzz: can I crush on your couch? :P
[21:52]  * apachelogger should really not split attention between 3 screens
[21:58] <sheytan> ping me someone for a test please
[22:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ping
[22:00] <sheytan> shadeslayer thanks :)
[22:01] <sheytan> bet time, bye all :)
[22:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you see the "No more release schedules" thread?
[22:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from what i've seen in the 2 mails that are on kde devel, from a upstream POV it looks tempting, but its a packagers nightmare 
[22:07] <yofel> is it? If everyone does releases when they think it's best it would be so. But if they still coordinate and give us a batch to package it would be managable
[22:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: the problems would happen post archive freeze imo
[22:10] <shadeslayer> would be kind of a mess
[22:11] <shadeslayer> we have kdelibs 4.7 but kdeedu is 4.6 xD
[22:12] <yofel> true, as long distros have a fixed schedule having a random release mess would make stuff hard to package (in time)
[22:12] <yofel> if you can talk about time there
[22:12] <shadeslayer> yep, but i guess its for the best for distro's like Arch who have a rolling release schedule
[22:13] <yofel> true, but that doesn't help us
[22:13] <shadeslayer> ^ only creates more issues for us
[22:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: i wish we had a rolling release pocket tho :P
[22:14] <yofel> well, our PPAs are something like that, and makin a rolling-release fork of kubuntu isn't something I want to maintain
[22:14] <yofel> then again, unstable is a rolling-release too in a sense
[22:19] <shadeslayer> PPA's get disabled on upgrades, and then you have to go add them again when we have a new release and then you spend 5 minutes figuring out which PPA to add and what not
[22:20] <yofel> didn't they add the possiblity to not disable a PPA? If we had that it might be managable. We would essentially have to develop for 2 releases in parallel though
[22:21] <shadeslayer> :O
[22:21] <yofel> well, let's see what they decide on. I can live with a messy 4.7/8, but please make 5.0 something sane
[22:21] <shadeslayer> Germany's legal drinking age limit is 18? 
[22:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: KDE 5 does not exsist
[22:21] <yofel> dunno, frameworks 5 and apps 5012 then
[22:22] <yofel> I'll keep calling it KDE
[22:22] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:22] <shadeslayer> Platform 11 xD
[22:22] <yofel> as long as 'KDE' exists in that sense
[22:22] <shadeslayer> s/exsist/exist
[22:23] <shadeslayer> so i can come and drink in germany \o/
[22:23] <yofel> and yeah, age is 18, at least for things stronger than beer I think (been a while since I was at that age ^^)
[22:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i delegate alcohol mentorship to you
[22:23] <yofel> lol
[22:25] <yofel> k, 4.6.4 doesn't crash at login, good sign
[22:26] <shadeslayer> i haven't opened stable in quite a while
[22:26] <shadeslayer> neon ftw
[22:26] <yofel> I have my desktop on natty, helps in these cases ^^
[22:26] <yofel> hehe
[22:27] <shadeslayer> i'll run oneiric on my next laptop ... which i'm going buy soonish
[22:27] <yofel> I would use neon once someone of us fixes gtk theming there, not sure how that is done (or do we need an oxygen-gtk build?)
[22:27] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[22:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: doesn't work
[22:27] <shadeslayer> i've manually built it
[22:27] <yofel> ah, guess I could do that too
[22:27] <shadeslayer> dunno why firefox doesn't pick it up
[22:28] <shadeslayer> probably need to set some var or something else
[22:28] <shadeslayer> ok i'm sleeping, night all
[22:28] <yofel> gn
[22:28]  * Quintasan goes to bed as well
[22:29] <yofel> hm, can't see anything broken so I guess I'll write up a release announce and copy it over
[23:54] <yofel> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-464
[23:55] <yofel> can someone with a kde svn acc. edit www/sites/www/info/binary-4.6.4.inc so the page shows we have packages please? Thanks