[00:30] <rich__> what do people use as a replacement for jeos and vmbuilder?
[00:31] <rich__> I was using that script and those binaries quite happily a year ago, but it appears they are no longer actively developed?
[00:31] <rich__> what is the quickest way to get a minimal kvm ubuntu machine up these days?
[00:39] <zaclnxnewb> virusuy: it worked by the way
[00:39] <zaclnxnewb> virusuy: thanks
[03:56] <chazz_tsc> Good evening. It would seem I have a badly misconfigured sendmail. Is there someone who would be willing to help a n00b?
[07:54] <isnoop> What is the most commonly used means of creating an apt mirror with "blessed" versions of code for a server group?
[07:54] <twb> I don't know about "common"
[07:54] <isnoop> I'm seeing talk about apt-cacher-ng, approx, apt-proxy and others...
[07:54] <twb> Are you talking about a local mirror of someone else's archive, or are you talking about creating your own archive of your own in-house packages?
[07:55] <isnoop> A mirror of someone else's archive.
[07:55] <twb> A full mirror or an on-demand mirror?
[07:55] <isnoop> Essentially, a subset of only the software we need and only the versions we've approved.
[07:55] <lifeless> custom repository
[07:55] <twb> That is, do you want to fetch all of, say, lucid main up front, or do you want to fetch packages from upstream only when someone actually tries to install them?
[07:56] <twb> The former is IME *far* more reliable, but requires an up-front gigabytes download and ongoing hundreds-megabyte/week downloads
[07:56] <isnoop> Close...  Fetch all of lucid main of front but then only update, say, Apache when we're ready for a bump.
[07:58] <twb> For that there is debmirror (which I use), and IIRC another one that is about as good
[08:04] <sbeattie> twb: debmirror (which I also use) doesn't really let you pick and choose versions of stuff from -updates, though.
[08:04] <isnoop> Looks pretty handy!  I think we can run with that.  Thanks.
[08:04] <twb> sbeattie: granted
[08:05] <twb> sbeattie: what I planned to do (haven't yet), is to have two mirrors
[08:05] <twb> sbeattie: one pulls from upstream, and you test that.  Then, you pull from THAT mirror into the "stable" one that your production machines pull from
[08:05] <twb> I think apt-mirror was the other one
[08:10] <isnoop> sbeattie: Aah, I'm just realizing the same thing.
[08:26] <Xano> My Ubuntu htpc is connected to the network using a WPA2 protected network, which means it needs the keyring to be unlocked every time the machine boots. However, as it also doubles as a server, I need the machine to be able to boot and start all services (including wifi) without any action of my part. I am looking for a way to remove the need for logging in to the keyring.
[08:43] <twb> Remove the passphrase from the cert, then
[08:43] <twb> Wait, is this WPA2-EAP or WPA2-PSK?
[08:44] <Xano> twb: psk
[08:44] <twb> So put the PSK in your wpa_supplicant.conf
[09:16] <koolhead11> TeTeT, hey
[09:20] <Xano> twb: thanks. I'll try that
[09:30] <TeTeT> hi koolhead11
[09:52] <BuenGenio> hello
[09:52] <BuenGenio> are there any builds of dovecot 2.0 for Natty?
[10:42] <BuenGenio> !
[10:42] <BuenGenio> ~help
[10:42] <BuenGenio> !help
[10:42] <BuenGenio> !apt
[10:42] <BuenGenio> !search
[10:42] <BuenGenio> !search dovecot
[12:57] <raul> w
[12:58] <raul> Hello everyone, I need to monitorize a class C network, I have a pretty old computer with ubuntu 6.06 and 250MB, which network monitor program could be fine and light for my purpose? any help or experience form you will be really apreciated
[13:00] <raul> I tried to install the newest ntop release from the scratch but trying to compile it takes lots of time because dependences and I finally gave up
[13:04] <raul> no helps today... :P
[13:06] <_ruben> raul: what exactly are your monitoring requirements/needs/wishes/etc?
[13:06] <_ruben> also, remember this is irc, a place where patience is a requirement
[13:20] <raul> _ruben Hi, I would like to monitor traffic load, which Ip access where , amount of downloads, basically whe are experiencing problems wiht our network and I think ther is someona doing nasty things or maybe a virus , that's more or less what I expect
[13:21] <_ruben> that's a lot of data, depending on the traffic volume
[13:21] <patdk-wk> hopefully you have a monitored layer2 switch?
[13:21] <_ruben> i use a homegrown system based on pmacct, but i only care about my own ip addresses, not the addreses they connect to/from
[13:21] <patdk-wk> that will tell you how much traffic from each port
[13:22] <patdk-wk> that is normally how I can track down evil stuff easily, a port that suddently increases a lot
[13:22] <raul> _ruben, I used to use ntop, but on my local computer, ntop does what I would like to monitorize but the machine I have to put close to the CPD has only 250MB I don't care about nice graphs but want to have some details
[13:23] <_ruben> put more mem in it :)
[13:24] <raul> patdk-wk Hi well I want to monitorize a Intelligent Switch (label2 and 3) I have a trunk port ready
[13:25] <patdk-wk> hmm? trunk port?
[13:25] <raul> _ruben estamos en crissi
[13:25] <patdk-wk> you use snmp to monitor a switch
[13:26] <patdk-wk> there is no way your going to monitor all traffic that goes over a switch
[13:26] <raul> patdk-wk it is a Cisco Label3 switch, which is our gateway
[13:26] <patdk-wk> ah, so you wanted to setup like a mirror port to monitor your internet side?
[13:26] <raul> patdk-wk and a trunk port allows to see all trafic from any VLAN
[13:26] <sommer> hi hi
[13:27] <raul> patdk-wk exactlly
[13:28] <_ruben> trunk port != mirror port in my book :)
[13:28] <_ruben> unless this switch is actually a hub
[13:30] <patdk-wk> ya, defently not the same things
[13:30] <raul> _ruben well I don't care about the mirror port and such details it just works what I wanted to know is if anybody could suggest me a light and powerfull network monitor
[13:31] <_ruben> pmacct has some ready to use frontends to use i think
[13:31] <patdk-wk> there is no such thing as light when talking about traffic
[13:31] <_ruben> patdk-wk: depends on the traffic :)
[13:32] <patdk-wk> heh, we wheren't talking dialup modems :)
[13:32] <_ruben> and then there's fiber... also kinda light :)
[13:32] <xampart> =)
[13:32] <patdk-wk> not when it's a 3" bundle :)
[13:32] <raul> patdk-wk yes, it looks like, then the only way is just find a more powerfull computer
[13:32] <_ruben> patdk-wk: that'd be a lot of light! :)
[13:32] <patdk-wk> raul, ram normally isn't required too much
[13:33] <patdk-wk> it's normally bus speed and cpu
[13:33] <raul> patdk-wk, I know... I did not mention that my toy computer is an old dell laptop
[13:35] <raul> anyway which network monitors do you use in case of whole network monitoring? any favorite tool?
[13:36] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, I love rev25... :)  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/cobbler/oneiric-201106090005/+merge/63942
[13:36] <_ruben> raul: like i said, i use pmacct myself, but a quite common solution is the various netflow/sflow/etc based stuff
[13:36] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx,  Your commit and upload were different, therefore your commit was popped and a merge request created.
[13:37] <raul> _ruben, thanks I will take an eye on it
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey ah?
[14:09] <orudie>  I downloaded a program which is .run extension. How can I install it ?
[14:11] <luite> orudie: bash file.run
[14:18] <m_tadeu> should start-stop-daemon create the pid file by itself?
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey was this done automatically?
[14:21] <orudie> I just copied over some files to the wrong place, is there a way to undo this copy operation ?
[14:22] <greppy> orudie: move them to the correct location?
[14:23] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, yeah.. if the package-importer disagrees with your commit it pops it and raises a merge proposal
[14:23] <Daviey> james_w confuses the effort by the bot doing it under his launchpad-id.
[14:25] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey right snd how can i compraeDaviey right and how.can I compare in what they differ cause I'm pretty sure they don't....
[14:26] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey i'd even say that there was something wrong going as the upload took too much time to.get processed when it shouldnt have caise i pushed the branch way after i made the upload and seconds later and announcement in lp saying that there would be.maintenance appeared
[14:26] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, did you push patches applied?
[14:26] <RoAkSoAx> or is bzr no longer sllowjng pushing branches without .pc
[14:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey no.... the .pc wasnt even created when i created the source
[14:27] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, I don't think /not/ pushing .pc was supported for deb src 3 branches
[14:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i've done this before with deb src 3 branches with no issues whatsoever
[14:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but regardless of whether the branch was pushed, the dput should have been processed regardless of the branch been uploaded or not
[14:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but it wasn't until several hours later
[14:31] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: and I'm guessing this was due to maintenance in LP
[14:40] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i guess we'll have to try it again in next upload
[14:43] <zul> i just uploaded the gpxe stuff for cobbler
[14:46] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: even edit-patch leaves the branch with patches un-applied
[14:46] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: which is why I found surprising why this happened
[14:46] <RoAkSoAx> zul: yay!
[14:50] <Daviey> hmm
 Daviey: but regardless of whether the branch was pushed, the dput should have been processed regardless of the branch been uploaded or not
[14:51] <Daviey> ^^ i don't understand that
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i uploaded the package with dput cobbler_baklblabla_source.changes
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: and it took like 4 hours for it to be processed
[14:52] <Daviey> Hmm.. i've been finding processing of incoming to be really fast lately.
[14:52] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yes that's why I was surprised yesterday, and that's why I think it was LP's issue as right after I uploaded, a message showing that there was gonna be maintenance appeared
[14:53] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: so I guess that's why everything ended up being a mess :)
[15:21] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: the divergence would have happend regardless
[15:21] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: The auto merge proposal would only happen if there is a diff between what you uploaded and what is in the branch.
[15:22] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: What you uploaded, as in if you do a diff between dpkg-source x cobbler*dsc and the bzr branch
[15:22] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but there wasn't... as I said the changes in the source package do not include patch applied nor the .pc dir
[15:22] <Daviey> dpkg-source -x rather
[15:22] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: when you do a dpkg-source -x it applies the patches
[15:22] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but as I said, even edit-patch leaves patches un-applied
[15:22] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Hmm.. the .pc is created as part of the package extraction - not what you uplload
[15:23] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: so for example, we edit-patch a branch, it will leave patches un-applied, then you build de source, upload, then debcommit the branch with patches un-applied, then divergence
[15:23] <RoAkSoAx> ?
[15:23] <RoAkSoAx> cuase the branch has patches un-applied while dpkg-source -x will apply the patches on extraction
[15:24] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Yeah, edit-path isn't perfect
[15:24] <Daviey> for example, it offers to commit whilst leaving boilerplate patch headers
[15:25] <Daviey> I think edit-patch needs fixing in that regard.
[15:25] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: well I agree with edit-patch on leaving patches un-applied as applying patches in a branch leaves with diff's that are useless IMHO
[15:25] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Actually, a pre-commit bzr hook should check if it is deb src 3 and apply before commit IMO.
[15:25] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah maybe :)
[15:25] <Daviey> The bzr team are cracking through a fix to beter handle the deb src 3 (quilt) mess
[15:26] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah that's really what we need... but IMO updating a patch leaves lot of useless diff in the branch which we don't really need
[15:26] <RoAkSoAx> and for that reason, I believe patches should not be applied in the branch
[15:26] <RoAkSoAx> because every single time that we edit a new patch, a huge diff with not relevant stuff will be created
[15:26] <RoAkSoAx> and that causes confusion
[15:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but either way, I'll always find a solution for that :)
[15:28] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: i entirelly agree, i think having patches applied on extraction was a mistake :)
[15:29] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i always have to quilt pop -a after extraction
[15:33] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: well if i'm honestly, i do the same... but you shouldn't need to..
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: indeed
[15:54] <BuenGenio> anyone know how to get sed to replace a whole line that matches a certain substring?
[16:39] <ADEX> hola buen dia busco ayuda
[16:39] <ADEX> quiero implementar un server
[16:40] <ADEX> con ubuntu 10.04
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> !es | ADEX
[16:49] <ADEX> [RoAkSoAx] de hay me mandaron a esta sal
[16:49] <ADEX> no me puede ayudar nadie
[16:50] <jamespage> SpamapS: around?
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: que necesitaS?
[16:50] <queso> When I do a dpkg -l package* the full package name isn't displayed in the results, it's cut off by the width of the column that lists the names.  Is there a way to see the full names?
[16:50] <ADEX> ayuda
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: por eso te pregunto :).. en que te puedo ayudar... no preguntas si puedes preguntar o si alguien te puede ayudar, solo has tu pregunta
[16:51] <ADEX> quiero montar el server ubuntu 10.04
[16:51] <ADEX> para poner un proxy cache
[16:52] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: ok...
[16:54] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: y cual es la ayuda que necesitas entonceS?
[16:54] <ADEX> como montarlo orientacion y pues soy novato
[16:55] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: pues en realidad no te vamos a decir como montor un proxy cache desde cero, sino mas bien vas a tener que investigarlo tu mismo, y de paso asi aprendes. En lo que te podemos ayudar es a resolver problemas o orientarte con documentacion
[16:55] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/squid.html
[16:56] <ADEX> eso quieroexactamente
[16:56] <ADEX> donde leer
[16:56] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: http://www.tutoriales-ubuntu.com/archives/configurar-un-proxy-transparente-con-squid
[16:56] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: y google te puede ayudar tb :)
[16:57] <ADEX> uuuuu
[16:57] <ADEX> pues entonses para q son estas salas
[16:57] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: y tambien tienes www.howtoforge.com
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: estas sala en especifico es para desarrollo de Ubuntu server (programacion) asi como tambien ayudar a resolver problemas, pero lo que no podemos hacer es decirte como configurar un proxy cache desde cero mas bien te podemos orientar en donde puedes aprenderlo..., es por esa razon que te he enviado los enlaces para que tu
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> argh..
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: para que tu puedas leer y hacerlo
[17:00] <ADEX> si gracias
[17:00] <ADEX> puedo platicarles un proyecto
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: http://beginlinux.com/blog/2010/04/ubuntu-10-04-squid-proxy/
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: en realidad si buscas un poquito en google vas a encontrar bastante informacion de como hacer un proxy
[17:02] <ADEX> en mi pueblo estoi implementando una red inalambrica de oni direccional de 15 km
[17:02] <ADEX> y el proxy chace para eso lo quiero
[17:03] <ADEX> que negativo eres
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: entonces necesitas un proxy transparente
[17:03] <ADEX> nop
[17:03] <ADEX> por q si es trasparente
[17:03] <ADEX> lo q quiero es tener las paginas pre cargadas
[17:03] <ADEX> para q no tengan q estar lenta las paginas cuando las carguen
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: ahi arriba te he puesto bastante informacion en donde puesde leer y aprender de squid.. lamentablemente yo no te puedo hacer el proxy, ni decirte como configurarlo desde cero y no es por ser negativo, porque no lo soy, sino simplemente porque yo tambien trabajo asi como tu y tengo cosas que hacer ...
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: para eso funciona un proxy, no importa si es transparente o no transparent
[17:04] <ADEX> si si lo se
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: transparente signifca que tus clientes no sabran que hay un proxy, mientras que NO transparente significa que tendras que configurar en tus clientes el Proxy
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: pero al final, los dos tiene el mismo objetivo
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> ADEX: te recomiendo que veas http://www.tutoriales-ubuntu.com/archives/configurar-un-proxy-transparente-con-squid ya que ahi te explica detalladamente como montar un proxy transparent
[17:12] <SpamapS> jamespage: here now whats up?
[17:12] <jamespage> hey SpamapS: I have a licensing question - do you have time?
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?
[17:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong (in a meeting, though)
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: quick thingy... how are you testing how much time a set of code is taking to execute?
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: python code
[17:19] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: using the shell "time" command
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: k thanks
[17:22] <jamespage> SpamapS: did I lose you there?
[17:24] <SpamapS> yes sorry
[17:24] <SpamapS> 8 conversations all started at once
[17:24] <SpamapS> jamespage: also I don't get highlights unless its "^SpamapS: "
[17:24] <SpamapS> something I proably should change
[17:24] <jamespage> ah-ha
[17:24] <jamespage> so are you OK to chat now (or do you need to finish the other 7?
[17:30] <SpamapS> jamespage: yeah just fire away
[17:51] <nigelb> what's the channel for ensemble and orchestra stuff?
[18:07] <SpamapS> nigelb: #ubuntu-ensemble for ensemble. Here is a good place for Orchestra.
[18:07] <nigelb> SpamapS: ensemble is the one where we can have recipies right?
[18:10] <SpamapS> nigelb: s/recipes/formulas/ ;)
[18:10] <nigelb> SpamapS: Right :)
[18:13] <ADEX> una pregunta ya instale ubuntu server 10.04 y me pide el login cuando quiero ponerlo las letras escrive mu estraño pongo luis y meescribemrhk
[18:14] <SpamapS> ADEX: puedes hablar en íngles por favor? No hay muchos habladeros de español aquí.
[18:14]  * SpamapS should write a google translator plugin for irssi
[18:14] <Delemas> I've got a 10.04 server with openssh 5.3p1-3ubuntu6 setup with sftponly chroots. It stopped working two days ago. i.e. transfers just hang with nothing useful in max debug output on client/server. Has anyone else had similar problems?
[18:15] <SpamapS> Delemas: whats your NIC driver?
[18:18] <Delemas> It should be virtio_net in the VM the underlying server is a Intel 82576 GbE.
[18:20] <ADEX> [SpamapS] el problema que no hablo ingles
[18:34] <Delemas> The failure seems to have started happening only with chrooted sftp users and after these packages were updated: snmp man-db subversion libc-bin sysv-rc sysvinit-utils initscripts libsvn1
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/622738/ -> port ranges for TCPMonitor
[18:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: neat
[18:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: is it backwards compatible?
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will work either for 1 or a range of ports in the way 1-10
[18:46] <RoAkSoAx> or 1 - 10
[19:09] <Delemas> Weird attempting to do apt-get installl libc-bin=2.11.1-0ubuntu7.7 (a minor downgrade) wants to remove most of the packages on the server...
[19:11]  * RoyK guesses dependencies, broken or too strict
[19:11] <Delemas> Well that version was happily installed three days ago :/
[19:12] <RoyK> duh
[19:18] <bsg_kwolf> Hello... Anyone have any tips or tricks to get NIC bonding and bridging to work on Natty for kvm guests?
[19:19] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: ping?
[19:19] <bsg_kwolf> Having all kinds of problems.  Have tried all the interfaces recommendations I could find, but so far haven't had much luck.
[19:19] <RoyK> bsg_kwolf: never done it myself, but I guess it's just a matter of setting up a LA group and tying the bridge to that
[19:19] <bsg_kwolf> I've gotten them to work for a bit but as soon as I restart the server, it comes back up in a bad state.
[19:20] <bsg_kwolf> from what I can tell when the system comes up, the bridge isn't picking up bond0... I think.
[19:23] <aliverius> how can i change the name of the nic? i changed a nic and now instead of it being eth0 it is eth2
[19:35] <Delemas> aliverius, hmm I've had that issue before. There is a hardware address to device name mapping cached somewhere and you need to delete the file. I'm not finding the path at the moment though...
[19:36] <Delemas> Ah there it is.... To fix this clear our all the
[19:36] <Delemas>    eth entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot.
[19:38] <ScottK> RoyK: Pong.
[19:38] <ScottK> Oops
[19:38] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Pong
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: howdy! I seek your advice!
[19:38] <RoyK> ScottK: pang
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: I change one package from pycentral to dh7 and dh_python2
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: however, now that I did that, whenever I remove --purge the package, it fails to remove the *.pyc files
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: debian/rules: http://paste.ubuntu.com/622771/
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: debian/control: http://paste.ubuntu.com/622774/
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: install file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/622775/
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: any ideas of why this might be happening?
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: this is how it used to be: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~powernap/powernap/trunk/revision/236
[19:47] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: I'd look at pyspf.  It uses dh_python2 and has an install file that installs to pyshared.
[19:47] <ScottK> I don't see anything obvoius
[19:50] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: I seem to be doing mpretty much the same thing, though 'm pretty much doing the same but
[19:51] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: I seem to be doing mpretty much the same thing, though the pyc's are not cleaned in my case, causing the removal to not be completely clean
[19:51] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: See pyyaml for what I did to override clean
[19:52]  * RoAkSoAx looks
[19:58] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Is there a utility to change my default repository to ftp.utexas.edu where I don't have to directly edit the repository file?
[19:59] <zul> jdstrand: have you done the upload for libvirt yet?
[20:01] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: ok so If the application that uses the modules are not executed, then remove --purge the package will remove it correctly because there's no *.pyc's... I don't think it would make any difference if i override dh_clean right?
[20:01] <incidence> can I set "default" virtual host for IRC-connections? With oidentd or something
[20:08] <aliverius> i have  a problem with a recent atom board. i cannot load module kvm-intel
[20:17] <zoopster> aliverius: does that atom board support vt?
[20:18] <aliverius> i just found out it doesnt
[20:18] <aliverius> this means i am doomed
[20:19] <aliverius> i used to run an ubuntu server containing the router for the whole house inside a kvm
[20:19] <aliverius> now no router...
[20:19] <WinstonSmith> aliverius: virtualbox?
[20:20] <aliverius> mmmmm not a bad idea
[20:22] <Delemas> it will be chunky without vt...
[20:22] <SpamapS> aliverius: try lxc
[20:23] <SpamapS> VB and KVM and Xen will all suck w/o vt
[20:23] <aliverius> vmware?
[20:23] <SpamapS> LXC won't provide you quite the same amount of isolation, but you get the management at least.
[20:23] <Daviey> hmm.. Xen doesn't suck if you have a modified guest to avoid HVM.
[20:23] <SpamapS> Daviey: you're still ultimately taxing hardware that really isn't capable of doing what you're asking it to do.
[20:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: i /really/ disagree.
[20:24] <SpamapS> I guess I don't understand Xen well enough to speak strongly about it. My experience with Xen before VT was 20% loss of performance.
[20:25] <Daviey> wow.
[20:25] <SpamapS> Xen 2.x .. on CentOS 5.0 .. long time ago. They probably figured a lot of that out.
[20:25] <Daviey> I understood xen only used VT extensions if you were using HVM.
[20:25] <Daviey> 20% loss is massive.
[20:26] <SpamapS> Daviey: hence my reservation about ever suggesting its use. ;)
[20:26] <Daviey> I don't blame you.
[20:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: My experience wasn't the same tho.
[20:26] <SpamapS> It was still quite useful for what we were doing, which was running a simulated parallel environment for unit testing.
[20:26] <Daviey> pah, who tests?
[20:26] <SpamapS> To be able to duplicate our 90 machine setup on 3 cheap machines was quite useful.
[20:27] <SpamapS> Today, I'd use LXC tho
[20:39] <aliverius> so far i have been using pfsense inside kvm. now that i dont have kvm, would opwnert at least do?
[20:40] <giovani> openwrt is meant to run on embedded hardware
[20:40] <giovani> do they have an x86 release?
[20:41] <giovani> I don't know why you'd want to ...
[20:43] <bsg_kwolf> natty seems to be ignoring 'mtu 9000' on a bridge interface on boot.
[20:43] <bsg_kwolf> Anyone else seen this?
[20:43] <bsg_kwolf> just comes up with a default 1500 mtu.
[20:45] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Right.  It shouldn't.
[20:45] <bsg_kwolf> known issue?
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: this is exactly what happens when purging, which didn't happen when I was using dh_pycentral: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/622813/
[20:47] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Pleae ask #POX on #debian-python on OFTC.
[20:47] <ScottK> ..s..
[20:48] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK: ok, thanks!
[20:48] <Delemas> aliverius, setup pfsense on a separate box...
[21:04] <bsg_kwolf> Alright, so to get mtu 9000 to stick it seems I have to do this:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/622829/  That doesn't seem right.
[21:04] <bsg_kwolf> Otherwise after a reboot, it goes back to 1500.
[21:06] <bsg_kwolf> still can't seem to get bonding in the mix.
[21:45] <thisismygame> I've installed minimal ubuntu on 2 computers in the last 24hrs. They both install fine, reboot and get to Grub, where after that they have nothing but a blank black screen. Am I missing something here?
[22:56] <raubvogel> Quick samba4 on ubuntu question: I see /var/lib/samba/private/krb5.conf is already nicely configured. Does the kerberos server knows to use that config file?
[22:56] <raubvogel> s/knows/know/
[22:57] <raubvogel> And is it installed with samba4?
[23:29] <zul> jamespage: i editted your wiki page