[00:24] hey guys [00:24] probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide/ [00:24] it's normally autohide, and now it's stopped - not sure why. It's annoying because it's set above my windows [00:33] sorry to bump - does anyone have any ideas at all? [00:45] probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide when it's randomly stopped doing so [01:22] woa, my surf server spiked up in rank :o [01:22] I'm now the 11th most popular TF2 server in the world \o/ [01:22] popey: ^ It's extra hilarious because it's the surf one, so on the gametracker ranking I'm surrounded by vanilla servers xD [03:23] wow, the xilinx cpld development studio for linux is 4GB [03:23] yes, 4GB [03:31] [Matthew Garrett] IPv6 routers - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137835.html [03:34] xlinix ise was absurdly large too. and insisted on using some download manager :/ [03:34] oh i think that's what i'm downloading [03:35] now download manager though, just a tar file [03:35] you'd think they cold gave gzipped it [03:36] it's a step in the right direction then [03:36] i still had to register [03:36] 123 fake street etc [03:36] yeah. but when I got it, it came via a java applet :/ [03:37] i got some weird error message about akami download manager then it just gave me the download [03:37] apparently broken works better than working. funky. === ujjain is now known as ujjain|afk [07:40] morning all [08:00] Morning [08:08] morning [08:18] Good morning all you sexy people! [08:19] hey seeker [08:19] how are you doing? [08:19] :o it's a gary! Long time no see! [08:20] Not too bad, you? [08:21] pretty good, been hecticly busy with work and play, real life has kinda meant irc has been forced onto a back burner [08:21] I've kept in touch here, but not as much as I'd have liked [08:22] Still in Colchester? [08:22] yeah, still here, off to .de for a fortnight's holiday on Sat :-) [08:23] well really, france, belgium, germany, austria and back again [08:23] Alright for some :P [08:23] a few days visiting a german mate who is getting hitched, then visiting my brother in austria [08:23] Intrepid explorer gary then :P [08:24] the fun will be two guys in a mx5 for two weeks, that car doesn't have much space! [08:25] Haha [08:26] Morning [08:26] So step 1 of my experiment was an extreme failure last night [08:26] morning daubers, how are you doing? [08:26] what experiment? [08:27] cross dressing? [08:27] * Gary hides [08:27] Tried to reinstall windows, recovery partition borked, recovery DVD's I burnt no longer readable in the drive :( [08:27] Gary: Not half so exciting as cross dressing..... [08:27] * daubers is lucky he has an old HDD in his desk drawer with iso files of the recovery DVD's really [08:28] Gary: Not seen you in these parts in _ages_! [08:34] yeah, been a bit busy with real life [08:35] Good things or bad things? [08:36] Hi Gary [08:36] good overall I suppose. hey DJones :-) [08:36] And you still can't have the dog :) [08:38] aww [08:38] Gary: You'll have to come to Oggcamp for cake! [08:39] I seem to have gained a family though [08:40] Family as in people getting married & joining the family, or family as in a baby/pet [08:41] family as in a friends father went a bit mad and I seem to have been promoted to subsitute dad for the kids! [08:42] it's all rather confusing and complicated I suppose [08:42] Right, thats good for you, but I guess the father has some problems [08:43] he does, alcohol, depression and biting the children are just a few of the issues he needs to fix [08:43] eek [08:43] yeah! [08:44] I can understand 2 leading to 1 and 1 leading to 2, but the third thing is just .... odd.... [08:44] Doesn't sound good, but hopefully getting the treatment he needs and most importantly, his friends are standing by him & his family, thats probably the best help & support out of anything [08:44] best not get me too wound up about him, at least I seem to have been promoted to be his replacement, the kids, even after what he was like, are really sweet [08:44] \o/ [08:45] (for the kids being sweet) [08:45] this had gone on for years, a number of attempts to get him fixed, all failed. the mother is now divorcing him. [08:45] I'd also add \o/ for Gary stepping up [08:46] I'm taking the older kid to germany with me, he is 17 but often acts older than I am! be a good chance for him to act his age [08:57] I was round there for dinner last night and the five year old said I was "better than her real daddy" which made me have tears in my eyes [08:57] Gary: aww :) [08:58] How cute :) [08:58] anyways, is Daviey alive? I have a contact for him [08:59] Gary: Will you be acting his age too? [08:59] whose age? [09:00] ah, Adam's, why yes, yes I will [09:01] I am finding it fun, but difficult to play the sub father and be their "mate" the two other teenagers make me act (and feel) a lot younger than I am/should be acting [09:04] Gary: I hear that from lots of real dads as well -- that they feel younger somehow ;) [09:06] MartijnVdS: yeah, it's really making me enjoy life again, I know the whole situation started really badly, what with their real dad going a bit lala, but it has given me a new outlook on life and made me a lot more cheerful, I think mostly as I need to be there for the kids, so "have" to act strong/balanced/stable [09:06] my life was becoming rather boring, all work work work, what with the break up of me and my ex and living in my house alone. [09:07] the best bit is, if I do want a break, I can go home and have that break - something S cannot do (S is the mother) [09:12] morning [09:12] \o/ I have a zombie process - what's that when it's a home? [09:12] s/a/st [09:12] bah s/a/at [09:13] danfish: kill its parent, that'll reparent the zombie to init, which reaps it [09:13] do I need to feed it brains? ;) [09:13] danfish: Only tiny ones. [09:13] A process that is killed but is waiting for the parent to exit before it goes away. It also want braaaaaains [09:13] MartijnVdS: my brain should do then :) [09:14] It's a shame the zombies in Walking Dead didn't say brraaaaaaaiiins not even once ;-) [09:14] JGJones: it doesn't wait for the parent to exit as such, it waits for the parent to acknowledge its kid's death (or explicity set the signal handler to ignore dieing kids) === balor__ is now known as balor [09:15] MartijnVdS, ah...better explaination than me anyway - not such a tiny brain after all then? :P [09:15] JGJones: I've written some forking pieces of code lately [09:15] JGJones: that tends to make you too familiar with zombies and SIGCHLD en waitpid() [09:15] s/en/and [09:31] [Matt Daubney] From Linux to Windows for 30 days - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ [09:42] Urgh, can't concentrate today [09:47] daubers, maybe its because your on windows? [09:48] gord: Can't do that for work. Writing SW that only runs on linux, so have to do that on linux [09:48] gord: Also... windows hasn't finished installing yet [09:49] greetings comrades [09:54] can you still run openbox/fluxbox on MS windows [10:24] Urgh... update, reboot, update, reboot [10:25] daubers: on ubuntu? [10:27] dogmatic69: No :( [10:28] well, theres your problem [10:28] daubers: the experiment not going well? [10:29] i turn windows update off, i'd rather not have them if its going to be that annoying about it [10:30] You can turn off the force-reboots [10:30] but that does seem to make it feel a bit mistreated [10:30] it still pops up a little thing all the time [10:30] got a mac mini the other day, took 4 updates + reboots from 10.4 -> 10.5 or something like that [10:30] nah, that you can turn off too [10:30] it's a registry and/or group policy edit [10:31] worse than windows [10:31] BigRedS, id rather just press the option to turn them off all together [10:31] one restart was due to updating safari... o.o [10:31] well, yeah, that's what mine does [10:33] It was hilarious when I started doing my windowsy admin job and I was trying to explain why arbitrarily-timed reboots during the day might be suboptimal... [10:34] gord: First install, so needs to be done :) [10:34] dutchie: After the fiasco with recovery DVD's.... no [10:34] Thing is, once you've expended the effort to get AD/GP right, and you've got an AD domain with which to do it, Windows can be quite manageable [10:35] dogmatic69: Apple do a combo update on their support site. You can do it with that in one jump [10:35] daubers: or the could just do it properly like ubuntu :) [10:36] 10:36:57 up 20 days [10:36] dogmatic69: Indeed! But at least there is a way to do so [10:36] pet peeve, waiting for a pc to boot [10:39] BigRedS, yes once your an expert in it and know all the things to turn off and spend months learning it, its manageable, awesome, i'm not doing all that :P using windows will continue to be a pain in the arse for me [10:43] gord: Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's *good*. I'm just sort-of aware of how companies manage to not give it up :) [10:43] That first year or so was great. I made *every* complaint I've ever seen levelled at Linux by new linux users, but about Windows [10:45] my pet peeve with windows now its its control panel, there are so many options hidden and tucked away, you have to follow a specific order of clicks to unlock them, its like a horrid game [10:46] gord: just click classic view [10:46] shows all of em [10:46] dogmatic69: Getting to things is still a pain. Like getting to the networking interfaces to set static ips [10:47] good morning everyone, [10:47] dogmatic69, nope :( it shows some of them, there are options hidden inside them through a twisted loop of zork-esque logic [10:47] it honestly took me about 5 months to figure out how to uninstall things in windows 7 [10:47] oh man, I've done so little with windows 7 yet [10:48] I installed steam and that put me off it for about a week [10:48] since then I don't think I've used anything but steam in it [10:48] yeah, i basically just want it to run steam ;) but it gets in the way, filters my games, pulls me out of games to say "hey, do you want to turn off effects?! oh were you playing a game? oh well, now the games in a window" [10:53] Oooh, I've had none of that [10:54] I did get some windows guy to put it together for me [10:54] maybe he fixed those things [10:54] I felt like such a technophobe, asking soemone else to install the OS on my PC... [10:59] morning all [11:00] morning MooDoo and czajkowski [11:08] has anyone heard from mr pope? is he okay I know his car isn't [11:08] BigRedS, hi, I'm still looking at thinkpads on ebay. I'm learning as I go along, the variation in x60 and x61 and even the 's' derivatives. Do you have an opinion on which you like? [11:08] livingdaylight: not really. The Xs in general are pretty good but I never followed them closely enough to know which are better than the others [11:08] also, all I wanted was soemthign to run fluxbox and an ssh client [11:08] so I didn't really mind what was in them [11:09] BigRedS, ok... thanks. [11:10] BigRedS, there seems to be a trade off between performance and battery life and amount of heat they emit between the different versions which is what is getting my head in a spin. === Daviey is now known as Da === Da is now known as Daviey [11:43] popey is still offline. :o [11:45] The world, it must be ending! [11:49] maybe he's trapped inside the matrix/minecraft [11:52] Daviey: seemingly so [11:52] oimon: the MINETRIX [11:52] oimon: he had a crash this morning on the way to work [11:52] oh :( [11:52] is he ok === denny- is now known as denny [11:53] oimon: on twitter he said so but then he isn't online yet to confirm [11:53] eek, hope he's alright [11:54] I'm assuming he has had to stay with his car till it's moved etc etc etc [11:58] can anyone shed light on http://askubuntu.com/questions/47813/dual-screen-monitor-not-working-after-11-04-upgrade [12:03] czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there? [12:04] ebel: 12:02 < BigRedS> czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there? [12:04] ebel: meet BigRedS [12:04] yo [12:04] BigRedS: it's ebel issue [12:04] * ebel 's dual screen monitor doesn't work anymore with 11.04 [12:05] what do you mean by 'work'? Do either show up in the monitors dialog thing? [12:05] 2 monitors plugged into 1 nvideo graphics card, using open source drivers. pre11.04 could have a split screen thing. now acts like only one monitor plugged in [12:05] what's the output of `xrandr`? (do xrandr | pastebinit ) probably [12:05] er [12:05] do [12:05] BigRedS: http://pastebin.com/51ZEuRDV [12:06] oooh, peculiar. I think I've just turned useless :( [12:06] Now only one monitor shows up on monitor preferences. this is using unity and the default gnome 'shell' (classic mode) [12:06] it's like it's only found one output for some reason [12:06] I'd suggest the problem's lower than the window manager - kernely or drivery [12:07] I have rebooted several times. and both monitors have power and i've reseated the cable to video card to the one that's not showing up [12:07] but, yeah, I know so little about X; if xrandr doesn't mention it I don't know to make it find it [12:07] yeah i figure it's a driver issue. shame it stopped working. :( [12:08] yeah, have you checked launchpad for similar bugs? [12:08] perhaps there's a workaround on there [12:10] i /submitted/ a bug.... ;) [12:10] ah, cool [12:10] :) [12:11] hmmm actually maybe I am using closed source drivers.... [12:11] [ 23.374713] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. [12:12] hi all. anyone help please?? just uninstalled crappy vista and installed 11.04 but the problem i got is that my screen is massive! i cant seem to get it smaller. tried the monitor settings but it keeps coming up with 'unknown'. help!!! [12:12] ebel: if you ask in ubuntu-bugs they help triage bugs there [12:12] * ebel wonders how to make sure I'm using FLOSS drivers... [12:12] turn your computer off. :) [12:13] Daviey: I've rebooted a few times. :P [12:13] ebel: i mean, if your computer is off - there is only a small chance you are using non-free drivers [12:14] ebel: the tool vrms gives a reasonable guide of what non-free stuff you have installed [12:14] hehe figlet is non-free [12:14] anyone about to help? [12:15] can you paste the output of xrandr? do xrandr | pastebinit [12:15] I might be useless for you, too, but it's worht a try :) [12:17] :( [12:17] well, paste the output adn we'll see if I can be handy :) [12:18] anyone about to help? [12:18] er [12:19] huzzah fixed [12:19] turns out I was using non-floss drivers [12:19] ah, that's always a bad idea :) [12:19] apt-get removing them and restarting and I now have 2 monitors [12:20] ebel: w00t [12:20] :D [12:20] ebel: go update ask ubuntu :) [12:20] need monitor help. [12:21] though it shows a bug in the closed source nvidia drivers :P [12:21] yeah, there's always bugs in teh closed source drivers :) [12:22] jonsaint: if you fancy posting the output of xrandr I'll see if I can help. Can't really do much without more info, though [12:23] anyone in here that can lend a hand? [12:24] jonsaint: what with? [12:25] ive uninstalled crappy vista and done a fresh install of 11.04 but problem i got now is the screen is bloody masive! gone into monitor settings in prefs but i cant get it smaller. it keeps saying 'unknown monitor' yet its worked ok before on ubuntu [12:28] any ideas?? [12:29] jonsaint: so, you mean the resolution, is wrong? [12:29] yes. way too big. when i go to change the settings its only got the setting thats on it now [12:30] install grandr [12:30] use that [12:31] !info grandr [12:31] wfm better that way [12:31] [Simos Xenitellis] 20th Anniversary of Linux T-shirt Design Finalists Vote now! - http://simos.info/blog/archives/1210?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=20th-anniversary-of-linux-t-shirt-design-finalists-vote-now [12:31] grandr (source: grandr): gtk interface to xrandr. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1+git20080326-1ubuntu2 (natty), package size 25 kB, installed size 128 kB [12:31] Ah, handy [12:31] !info xrandr [12:31] Package xrandr does not exist in natty [12:31] it's a bit of X I thought? [12:31] g [12:32] xrandr is commandline and a bit unintuitive [12:32] huh???? [12:32] Myrtti: so that is a semi-automated way, of specifying things in xorg.conf etc? [12:33] it doesnt touch or create xorg.conf [12:33] !x11-xserver-utils [12:33] oimon: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [12:33] !info x11-xserver-utils [12:33] x11-xserver-utils (source: x11-xserver-utils): X server utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 7.6+2 (natty), package size 164 kB, installed size 536 kB [12:33] Myrtti: what does it do? [12:33] configures X [12:33] it's what you're (now) supposed to use to configure your monitors rather than xorg.conf [12:33] it is a gui to probe what the hardware can do and configure it [12:34] Myrtti: ah, i see. [12:34] BigRedS: i simplymanuallyedited the files in # nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf [12:34] i hope he got helped [12:35] /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* [12:35] Oh, I didn't realise you could do that [12:35] xrandr's pretty quick and easy, though. And doesn't require restarting X (I suspect that way does?) [12:36] but you do then need to do something to make the config take on boot, probably editing those files [12:36] BigRedS: which is apparentlywhere some of the new config's are, insted of being in the traditional, xorg.conf place. [12:36] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg i have found useful. [12:37] ooh [12:38] handy [12:38] yes. [12:41] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [12:41] czajkowski: hello kiddo [12:41] popey: you're online everything okay [12:42] hmm? [12:42] haha [12:42] my VPS oofed [12:44] :( [12:45] * oimon is trying out elementary os 0.2 onthe eee pc [12:46] popey: Yeah let's repeat the question obviously still dazed, Are you okay? [12:46] heh, fine [12:47] popey: other than you're now poorly car [12:47] what happened :) [12:47] reminds me of the scene in star wars ....luke you turned off your radar..everything OK [12:48] oimon: man it was a targeting computer not radar, these star wars rookies [12:49] sorry, i didn't see star wars in the cinema ...only from empire strikes back onwards :) [12:56] davmor2: driving down the road, other driver backed out of their drive. I braked, swerved and still managed to hit it. [12:57] ditching ubuntu... [12:57] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html [12:57] popey: Arse, there fault though as you were on the road yay :) [12:57] popey: :( No-one hurt I hope? [12:57] dogmatic69: I give you a day before you crawl back cap in hand [12:58] no, everyone fine [12:59] davmor2: yeah, thats the theory. in fact my insurance company has already given me a hire car paid for by her company [13:00] popey: Yay! so mobile again [13:00] yeah [13:00] they're taking the car to look at it [13:00] i expect they will write it off [13:00] so will need to rush around to get another car [13:01] Was that the volvo? [13:02] Also, does anyone remember who did the talk about Open Source in places like Africa at the last Oggcamp? [13:03] no [13:03] A friend of the inlaws does a lot of work at an indian school who don't have mains leccy, and were offered some 'puters [13:03] ahhh, i know someone who might be able to help you there daubers [13:03] \o/ [13:03] http://www.aleutia.com/ [13:03] them [13:04] they came to the ubuntu release party [13:04] Cool :) [13:04] * daubers bookmarks [13:05] popey: I was worried you had died. [13:12] o_O [13:13] Good news! [13:13] ? [13:14] Daviey: getting a lot of "reestablishing connection" to pad.ubuntu-uk.org ☹ [13:15] hmm [13:15] * Daviey investigates [13:16] Go go gadget sherlock! [13:16] popey, odd.. the load is 0.01 (which is unusually low) [13:17] and seems to be running for me :/ [13:17] * Daviey monitors [13:18] * czajkowski Daviey *pokes* [13:19] czajkowski, ? [13:19] its what one does to monitors [13:19] heh [13:37] hi all. can anyone recommend a decent torrent client plz? transmission is a bit on the slow, rubbish side! [13:38] slow in what sense? [13:38] but whatever Azureus is called now is often recommended [13:38] Vuze? [13:38] dunno. i always used it before and it took forever compared to others ive used on microsoft [13:38] jonsaint: Transmission often gives me 10M/s dowmload. [13:39] is it secure daviey? [13:39] jonsaint: In what sense? [13:39] well i used to use peer block with my last lot of software [13:39] jonsaint: I suspect you are comparing well seeded torrents to poorer ones. [13:39] jonsaint: transmission does support that. [13:39] yeah, I can't say I've noticed problems with transmission, but I've not really benchmarked it either [13:40] il give it another try [13:44] ./get_iplayer --nopurge --get 12680 docu about syd barrett [13:45] load of good music. [13:47] brobostigon: lot of pink floyds earlier stuff then I take it :) [13:47] davmor2: yes, :) [13:47] davmor2: shine on, still makes me feel alittle sad. [13:48] brobostigon: I still love the fact that they got the the 1979 xmas number 1 :D [13:48] priceless [13:48] davmor2: yes,:) === ujjain|afk is now known as ujjain [14:08] Ahhhhhhhh addicted to love what a video [14:38] bugger lost my giffgaff sim [14:38] feck [14:39] :( [14:40] "oops" [14:40] czajkowski: language timothy! [14:41] aye [14:41] it's somewhere in a bag but for the life of me I cannot find it [14:41] rather annoying [14:41] popey: tried your site to find the link to order one to give you the reference [14:42] http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/jshholland ;) [14:44] hmm - I have a giffgaff sim which I've not tried yet and my vodafone contract runs out at the end of the month [14:44] have people had good expeiences with giffgaff? [14:44] yes [14:46] I don't want a new monthly contract so I think I'll given them a go for a couple of months :) [14:46] dutchie: I've read lots of positive reviews [14:46] If I needed a UK SIM, I'd get a Giffgaff one :) [14:49] I have a Natty "proposed update" kernel running on my laptop - 2.6.38-9-generic. I don't know how I ended up with it. I'd like to have the proper 2.6.38-10 that I've got on my desktop. Is there a way to get that kernel with apt-get or aptitude? [14:51] davmor2: can always get an o2 monthly [14:51] and top up each month [14:51] danfish: ^^^^ [14:52] czajkowski: I was gonna say I'm on contract with Orange why would I do that :D [14:52] I blame tab completion [14:53] ugh really? "Microsoft ® Office Starter 2010 includes reduced-functionality versions of Word and Excel with advertising. Purchase an Office 2010 license for full-featured Office software" [14:53] oimon: Yep really [14:56] I guess MS realised that Works was a bit out of date & they could see potential competition from LIbre/Open Office & decided to offer that [14:57] DJones: that's been on offer since they rolled out Windows 7 [14:57] i have never used works , or seen what it looks like in my entire life of working in IT === kris_ is now known as Guest67201 [15:00] davmor2: hadn't realised that was when it started [15:00] Did they give out Works with Vista? [15:00] and it is limited too [15:00] someone was asking em the other day about transferring an OEM copy of windows..apparently it's not legally possible [15:01] sorry i mean OEM copy of Office [15:01] no, OEM licenses are tied to the machine [15:01] for soem SM definition of 'machine' [15:01] er, 'some' and 'MS' [15:01] depends on your durisdiction and doctrine of sale rules or something I expect [15:01] either way, use LibreOffice [15:01] jurisdiction [15:02] I've seen it installed on new Win 7 machines but not used it, don't know how limited it is [15:02] DJones: only works with docx (or what ever it is called) and txt iirc [15:03] davmor2: Right, my parents have got it on their machines, but all they ever use is the basic word & excel functions so they wouldn't notice any problem [15:04] DJones: ehat about the adverts? [15:04] oimon: They've never commented about them [15:05] Hi [15:05] i hate it when i receive something in docx format..it means 75% of my users can't read it, and nor can any mobile devices [15:05] Is there a way to monitor CPU and MEMORY Usage for a specific period of time and story it in a file for future reference [15:05] kaushal: sar [15:05] i keep telling people who install office on windows to change the option so that it doesn't save in docx by default [15:06] popey: but that doesnot tell about memory usage [15:06] hmm, vmstat [15:06] ok [15:07] * Gary passes popey some autoglym car polish [15:07] * popey passes Gary a brick [15:07] you okay? [15:07] yeah [15:08] I always thought your commute to work was a wander down the garden path [15:09] sadly not [15:09] unles my house was in farnborough and the garden was in uxbridge [15:10] I went for a job interview where the company's offices were based in a (largeish) wooden summerhouse in the back garden, they ran a (small) webfarm from servers in there, which meant nice heating in winter, but not so great in the summer [15:11] sounds fun [15:11] kinda glad I did not get that job [15:11] was the salary paid in garden produce? [15:11] * czajkowski tickles Gary [15:11] oimon: no idea, but the only loo's were in the main house! [15:11] hey ya cz [15:11] * Gary hides [15:11] hey guys [15:12] I have worked for a company where the office was in the bosses back garden [15:12] btrfs will be defauly filesystem in fedora 16 :-| [15:12] I have a Maxtor USB disk plugged into a remote linux box [15:12] yeah oimon [15:12] fun huh :D [15:12] I think fedoras aiming to be a liveCD comedy act [15:12]