[00:24] <MiLLo> hey guys
[00:24] <MiLLo> probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide/
[00:24] <MiLLo> it's normally autohide, and now it's stopped - not sure why.  It's annoying because it's set above my windows
[00:33] <MiLLo> sorry to bump - does anyone have any ideas at all?
[00:45] <MiLLo> probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide when it's randomly stopped doing so
[01:22] <Azelphur> woa, my surf server spiked up in rank :o
[01:22] <Azelphur> I'm now the 11th most popular TF2 server in the world \o/
[01:22] <Azelphur> popey: ^ It's extra hilarious because it's the surf one, so on the gametracker ranking I'm surrounded by vanilla servers xD
[03:23] <ali1234> wow, the xilinx cpld development studio for linux is 4GB
[03:23] <ali1234> yes, 4GB
[03:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] IPv6 routers - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137835.html
[03:34] <shauno> xlinix ise was absurdly large too.  and insisted on using some <expletive> download manager :/
[03:34] <ali1234> oh i think that's what i'm downloading
[03:35] <ali1234> now download manager though, just a tar file
[03:35] <ali1234> you'd think they cold gave gzipped it
[03:36] <shauno> it's a step in the right direction then
[03:36] <ali1234> i still had to register
[03:36] <ali1234> 123 fake street etc
[03:36] <shauno> yeah.  but when I got it, it came via a java applet :/
[03:37] <ali1234> i got some weird error message about akami download manager then it just gave me the download
[03:37] <shauno> apparently broken works better than working.  funky.
[07:40] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:00] <DJones> Morning
[08:08] <Apacheuk> morning
[08:18] <Gary> Good morning all you sexy people!
[08:19] <Gary> hey seeker
[08:19] <Gary> how are you doing?
[08:19] <seeker> :o it's a gary! Long time no see!
[08:20] <seeker> Not too bad, you?
[08:21] <Gary> pretty good, been hecticly busy with work and play, real life has kinda meant irc has been forced onto a back burner
[08:21] <Gary> I've kept in touch here, but not as much as I'd have liked
[08:22] <seeker> Still in Colchester?
[08:22] <Gary> yeah, still here, off to .de for a fortnight's holiday on Sat :-)
[08:23] <Gary> well really, france, belgium, germany, austria and back again
[08:23] <seeker> Alright for some :P
[08:23] <Gary> a few days visiting a german mate who is getting hitched, then visiting my brother in austria
[08:23] <seeker> Intrepid explorer gary then :P
[08:24] <Gary> the fun will be two guys in a mx5 for two weeks, that car doesn't have much space!
[08:25] <seeker> Haha
[08:26] <daubers> Morning
[08:26] <daubers> So step 1 of my experiment was an extreme failure last night
[08:26] <Gary> morning daubers, how are you doing?
[08:26] <Gary> what experiment?
[08:27] <Gary> cross dressing?
[08:27]  * Gary hides
[08:27] <daubers> Tried to reinstall windows, recovery partition borked, recovery DVD's I burnt no longer readable in the drive :(
[08:27] <daubers> Gary: Not half so exciting as cross dressing.....
[08:27]  * daubers is lucky he has an old HDD in his desk drawer with iso files of the recovery DVD's really
[08:28] <daubers> Gary: Not seen you in these parts in _ages_!
[08:34] <Gary> yeah, been a bit busy with real life
[08:35] <daubers> Good things or bad things?
[08:36] <DJones> Hi Gary
[08:36] <Gary> good overall I suppose.  hey DJones :-)
[08:36] <DJones> And you still can't have the dog :)
[08:38] <Gary> aww
[08:38] <daubers> Gary: You'll have to come to Oggcamp for cake!
[08:39] <Gary> I seem to have gained a family though
[08:40] <DJones> Family as in people getting married & joining the family, or family as in a baby/pet
[08:41] <Gary> family as in a friends father went a bit mad and I seem to have been promoted to subsitute dad for the kids!
[08:42] <Gary> it's all rather confusing and complicated I suppose
[08:42] <DJones> Right, thats good for you, but I guess the father has some problems
[08:43] <Gary> he does, alcohol, depression and biting the children are just a few of the issues he needs to fix
[08:43] <daubers> eek
[08:43] <Gary> yeah!
[08:44] <daubers> I can understand 2 leading to 1 and 1 leading to 2, but the third thing is just .... odd....
[08:44] <DJones> Doesn't sound good, but hopefully getting the treatment he needs and most importantly, his friends are standing by him & his family, thats probably the best help & support out of anything
[08:44] <Gary> best not get me too wound up about him, at least I seem to have been promoted to be his replacement, the kids, even after what he was like, are really sweet
[08:44] <daubers> \o/
[08:45] <daubers> (for the kids being sweet)
[08:45] <Gary> this had gone on for years, a number of attempts to get him fixed, all failed.  the mother is now divorcing him.
[08:45] <DJones> I'd also add \o/ for Gary stepping up
[08:46] <Gary> I'm taking the older kid to germany with me, he is 17 but often acts older than I am! be a good chance for him to act his age
[08:57] <Gary> I was round there for dinner last night and the five year old said I was "better than her real daddy" which made me have tears in my eyes
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> Gary: aww :)
[08:58] <DJones> How cute :)
[08:58] <Gary> anyways, is Daviey alive? I have a contact for him
[08:59] <seeker> Gary: Will you be acting his age too?
[08:59] <Gary> whose age?
[09:00] <Gary> ah, Adam's, why yes, yes I will
[09:01] <Gary> I am finding it fun, but difficult to play the sub father and be their "mate" the two other teenagers make me act (and feel) a lot younger than I am/should be acting
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> Gary: I hear that from lots of real dads as well -- that they feel younger somehow ;)
[09:06] <Gary> MartijnVdS: yeah, it's really making me enjoy life again, I know the whole situation started really badly, what with their real dad going a bit lala, but it has given me a new outlook on life and made me a lot more cheerful, I think mostly as I need to be there for the kids, so "have" to act strong/balanced/stable
[09:06] <Gary> my life was becoming rather boring, all work work work, what with the break up of me and my ex and living in my house alone.
[09:07] <Gary> the best bit is, if I do want a break, I can go home and have that break - something S cannot do (S is the mother)
[09:12] <danfish> morning
[09:12] <danfish> \o/ I have a zombie process - what's that when it's a home?
[09:12] <danfish> s/a/st
[09:12] <danfish> bah s/a/at
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: kill its parent, that'll reparent the zombie to init, which reaps it
[09:13] <danfish> do I need to feed it brains? ;)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Only tiny ones.
[09:13] <JGJones> A process that is killed but is waiting for the parent to exit before it goes away. It also want braaaaaains
[09:13] <danfish> MartijnVdS: my brain should do then :)
[09:14] <JGJones> It's a shame the zombies in Walking Dead didn't say brraaaaaaaiiins not even once ;-)
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: it doesn't wait for the parent to exit as such, it waits for the parent to acknowledge its kid's death (or explicity set the signal handler to ignore dieing kids)
[09:15] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, ah...better explaination than me anyway - not such a tiny brain after all then? :P
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: I've written some forking pieces of code lately
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: that tends to make you too familiar with zombies and SIGCHLD en waitpid()
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> s/en/and
[09:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] From Linux to Windows for 30 days - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/
[09:42] <daubers> Urgh, can't concentrate today
[09:47] <gord> daubers, maybe its because your on windows?
[09:48] <daubers> gord: Can't do that for work. Writing SW that only runs on linux, so have to do that on linux
[09:48] <daubers> gord: Also... windows hasn't finished installing yet
[09:49] <livingdaylight> greetings comrades
[09:54] <oimon> can you still run openbox/fluxbox on MS windows
[10:24] <daubers> Urgh... update, reboot, update, reboot
[10:25] <dogmatic69> daubers: on ubuntu?
[10:27] <daubers> dogmatic69: No :(
[10:28] <dogmatic69> well, theres your problem
[10:28] <dutchie> daubers: the experiment not going well?
[10:29] <gord> i turn windows update off, i'd rather not have them if its going to be that annoying about it
[10:30] <BigRedS> You can turn off the force-reboots
[10:30] <BigRedS> but that does seem to make it feel a bit mistreated
[10:30] <gord> it still pops up a little thing all the time
[10:30] <dogmatic69> got a mac mini the other day, took 4 updates + reboots from 10.4 -> 10.5 or something like that
[10:30] <BigRedS> nah, that you can turn off too
[10:30] <BigRedS> it's a registry and/or group policy edit
[10:31] <dogmatic69> worse than windows
[10:31] <gord> BigRedS, id rather just press the option to turn them off all together
[10:31] <dogmatic69> one restart was due to updating safari... o.o
[10:31] <BigRedS> well, yeah, that's what mine does
[10:33] <BigRedS> It was hilarious when I started doing my windowsy admin job and I was trying to explain why arbitrarily-timed reboots during the day might be suboptimal...
[10:34] <daubers> gord: First install, so needs to be done :)
[10:34] <daubers> dutchie: After the fiasco with recovery DVD's.... no
[10:34] <BigRedS> Thing is, once you've expended the effort to get AD/GP right, and you've got an AD domain with which to do it, Windows can be quite manageable
[10:35] <daubers> dogmatic69: Apple do a combo update on their support site. You can do it with that in one jump
[10:35] <dogmatic69> daubers: or the could just do it properly like ubuntu :)
[10:36] <dogmatic69> 10:36:57 up 20 days
[10:36] <daubers> dogmatic69: Indeed! But at least there is a way to do so
[10:36] <dogmatic69> pet peeve, waiting for a pc to boot
[10:39] <gord> BigRedS, yes once your an expert in it and know all the things to turn off and spend months learning it, its manageable, awesome, i'm not doing all that :P using windows will continue to be a pain in the arse for me
[10:43] <BigRedS> gord: Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's *good*. I'm just sort-of aware of how companies manage to not give it up :)
[10:43] <BigRedS> That first year or so was great. I made *every* complaint I've ever seen levelled at Linux by new linux users, but about Windows
[10:45] <gord> my pet peeve with windows now its its control panel, there are so many options hidden and tucked away, you have to follow a specific order of clicks to unlock them, its like a horrid game
[10:46] <dogmatic69> gord: just click classic view
[10:46] <dogmatic69> shows all of em
[10:46] <daubers> dogmatic69: Getting to things is still a pain. Like getting to the networking interfaces to set static ips
[10:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <gord> dogmatic69, nope :( it shows some of them, there are options hidden inside them through a twisted loop of zork-esque logic
[10:47] <gord> it honestly took me about 5 months to figure out how to uninstall things in windows 7
[10:47] <BigRedS> oh man, I've done so little with windows 7 yet
[10:48] <BigRedS> I installed steam and that put me off it for about a week
[10:48] <BigRedS> since then I don't think I've used anything but steam in it
[10:48] <gord> yeah, i basically just want it to run steam ;) but it gets in the way, filters my games, pulls me out of games to say "hey, do you want to turn off effects?! oh were you playing a game? oh well, now the games in a window"
[10:53] <BigRedS> Oooh, I've had none of that
[10:54] <BigRedS> I did get some windows guy to put it together for me
[10:54] <BigRedS> maybe he fixed those things
[10:54] <BigRedS> I felt like such a technophobe, asking soemone else to install the OS on my PC...
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <davmor2> morning MooDoo and czajkowski
[11:08] <davmor2> has anyone heard from mr pope?  is he okay I know his car isn't
[11:08] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, hi, I'm still looking at thinkpads on ebay. I'm learning as I go along, the variation in x60 and x61 and even the 's' derivatives. Do you have an opinion on which you like?
[11:08] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: not really. The Xs in general are pretty good but I never followed them closely enough to know which are better than the others
[11:08] <BigRedS> also, all I wanted was soemthign to run fluxbox and an ssh client
[11:08] <BigRedS> so I didn't really mind what was in them
[11:09] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, ok... thanks.
[11:10] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, there seems to be a trade off between performance and battery life and amount of heat they emit between the different versions which is what is getting my head in a spin.
[11:43] <Daviey> popey is still offline. :o
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> The world, it must be ending!
[11:49] <oimon> maybe he's trapped inside the matrix/minecraft
[11:52] <davmor2> Daviey: seemingly so
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the MINETRIX
[11:52] <davmor2> oimon: he had a crash this morning on the way to work
[11:52] <oimon> oh :(
[11:52] <oimon> is he ok
[11:53] <davmor2> oimon: on twitter he said so but then he isn't online yet to confirm
[11:53] <dwatkins> eek, hope he's alright
[11:54] <davmor2> I'm assuming he has had to stay with his car till it's moved etc etc etc
[11:58] <czajkowski> can anyone shed light on http://askubuntu.com/questions/47813/dual-screen-monitor-not-working-after-11-04-upgrade
[12:03] <BigRedS> czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there?
[12:04] <czajkowski> ebel: 12:02 < BigRedS> czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there?
[12:04] <czajkowski> ebel: meet BigRedS
[12:04] <ebel> yo
[12:04] <czajkowski> BigRedS: it's ebel issue
[12:04]  * ebel 's dual screen monitor doesn't work anymore with 11.04
[12:05] <BigRedS> what do you mean by 'work'? Do either show up in the monitors dialog thing?
[12:05] <ebel> 2 monitors plugged into 1 nvideo graphics card, using open source drivers. pre11.04 could have a split screen thing. now acts like only one monitor plugged in
[12:05] <BigRedS> what's the output of `xrandr`? (do   xrandr | pastebinit  ) probably
[12:05] <BigRedS> er
[12:05] <BigRedS> do
[12:05] <ebel> BigRedS: http://pastebin.com/51ZEuRDV
[12:06] <BigRedS> oooh, peculiar. I think I've just turned useless :(
[12:06] <ebel> Now only one monitor shows up on monitor preferences. this is using unity and the default gnome 'shell' (classic mode)
[12:06] <BigRedS> it's like it's only found one output for some reason
[12:06] <BigRedS> I'd suggest the problem's lower than the window manager - kernely or drivery
[12:07] <ebel> I have rebooted several times. and both monitors have power and i've reseated the cable to video card to the one that's not showing up
[12:07] <BigRedS> but, yeah, I know so little about X; if xrandr doesn't mention it I don't know to make it find it
[12:07] <ebel> yeah i figure it's a driver issue. shame it stopped working. :(
[12:08] <BigRedS> yeah, have you checked launchpad for similar bugs?
[12:08] <BigRedS> perhaps there's a workaround on there
[12:10] <ebel> i /submitted/ a bug.... ;)
[12:10] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[12:10] <BigRedS> :)
[12:11] <ebel> hmmm actually maybe I am using closed source drivers....
[12:11] <ebel> [   23.374713] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[12:12] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone help please?? just uninstalled crappy vista and installed 11.04 but the problem i got is that my screen is massive! i cant seem to get it smaller. tried the monitor settings but it keeps coming up with 'unknown'. help!!!
[12:12] <czajkowski> ebel: if you ask in ubuntu-bugs they help triage bugs there
[12:12]  * ebel wonders how to make sure I'm using FLOSS drivers...
[12:12] <Daviey> turn your computer off. :)
[12:13] <ebel> Daviey: I've rebooted a few times. :P
[12:13] <Daviey> ebel: i mean, if your computer is off - there is only a small chance you are using non-free drivers
[12:14] <Daviey> ebel: the tool vrms gives a reasonable guide of what non-free stuff you have installed
[12:14] <ebel> hehe figlet is non-free
[12:14] <jonsaint> anyone about to help?
[12:15] <BigRedS> can you paste the output of xrandr?   do    xrandr | pastebinit
[12:15] <BigRedS> I might be useless for you, too, but it's worht a try :)
[12:17] <jonsaint> :(
[12:17] <BigRedS> well, paste the output adn we'll see if I can be handy :)
[12:18] <jonsaint> anyone about to help?
[12:18] <BigRedS> er
[12:19] <ebel> huzzah fixed
[12:19] <ebel> turns out I was using non-floss drivers
[12:19] <BigRedS> ah, that's always a bad idea :)
[12:19] <ebel> apt-get removing them and restarting and I now have 2 monitors
[12:20] <czajkowski> ebel: w00t
[12:20] <czajkowski> :D
[12:20] <czajkowski> ebel: go update ask ubuntu :)
[12:20] <jonsaint> need monitor help.
[12:21] <ebel> though it shows a bug in the closed source nvidia drivers :P
[12:21] <BigRedS> yeah, there's always bugs in teh closed source drivers :)
[12:22] <BigRedS> jonsaint: if you fancy posting the output of xrandr I'll see if I can help. Can't really do much without more info, though
[12:23] <jonsaint> anyone in here that can lend a hand?
[12:24] <brobostigon> jonsaint: what with?
[12:25] <jonsaint> ive uninstalled crappy vista and done a fresh install of 11.04 but problem i got now is the screen is bloody masive! gone into monitor settings in prefs but i cant get it smaller. it keeps saying 'unknown monitor' yet its worked ok before on ubuntu
[12:28] <jonsaint> any ideas??
[12:29] <brobostigon> jonsaint: so, you mean the resolution, is wrong?
[12:29] <jonsaint> yes. way too big. when i go to change the settings its only got the setting thats on it now
[12:30] <Myrtti> install grandr
[12:30] <Myrtti> use that
[12:31] <brobostigon> !info grandr
[12:31] <Myrtti> wfm better that way
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[12:31] <BigRedS> Ah, handy
[12:31] <brobostigon> !info xrandr
[12:31] <BigRedS> it's a bit of X I thought?
[12:31] <oimon> g
[12:32] <Myrtti> xrandr is commandline and a bit unintuitive
[12:32] <jonsaint> huh????
[12:32] <brobostigon> Myrtti: so that is a semi-automated way, of specifying things in xorg.conf etc?
[12:33] <Myrtti> it doesnt touch or create xorg.conf
[12:33] <oimon> !x11-xserver-utils
[12:33] <oimon> !info x11-xserver-utils
[12:33] <brobostigon> Myrtti: what does it do?
[12:33] <BigRedS> configures X
[12:33] <BigRedS> it's what you're (now) supposed to use to configure your monitors rather than xorg.conf
[12:33] <Myrtti> it is a gui to probe what the hardware can do and configure it
[12:34] <brobostigon> Myrtti: ah, i see.
[12:34] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i simplymanuallyedited the files in # nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf
[12:34] <Myrtti> i hope he got helped
[12:35] <brobostigon>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
[12:35] <BigRedS> Oh, I didn't realise you could do that
[12:35] <BigRedS> xrandr's pretty quick and easy, though. And doesn't require restarting X (I suspect that way does?)
[12:36] <BigRedS> but you do then need to do something to make the config take on boot, probably editing those files
[12:36] <brobostigon> BigRedS: which is apparentlywhere some of the new config's are, insted of being in the traditional, xorg.conf place.
[12:36] <brobostigon> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg i have found useful.
[12:37] <BigRedS> ooh
[12:38] <BigRedS> handy
[12:38] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:41]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello kiddo
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: you're online everything okay
[12:42] <popey> hmm?
[12:42] <popey> haha
[12:42] <popey> my VPS oofed
[12:44] <brobostigon> :(
[12:45]  * oimon is trying out elementary os 0.2 onthe eee pc
[12:46] <davmor2> popey: Yeah let's repeat the question obviously still dazed, Are you okay?
[12:46] <popey> heh, fine
[12:47] <davmor2> popey: other than you're now poorly car
[12:47] <davmor2> what happened :)
[12:47] <oimon> reminds me of the scene in star wars ....luke you turned off your radar..everything OK
[12:48] <davmor2> oimon: man it was a targeting computer not radar, these star wars rookies
[12:49] <oimon> sorry, i didn't see star wars in the cinema ...only from empire strikes back onwards :)
[12:56] <popey> davmor2: driving down the road, other driver backed out of their drive. I braked, swerved and still managed to hit it.
[12:57] <dogmatic69> ditching ubuntu...
[12:57] <dogmatic69> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
[12:57] <davmor2> popey: Arse,  there fault though as you were on the road yay :)
[12:57] <daubers> popey: :( No-one hurt I hope?
[12:57] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I give you a day before you crawl back cap in hand
[12:58] <popey> no, everyone fine
[12:59] <popey> davmor2: yeah, thats the theory. in fact my insurance company has already given me a hire car paid for by her company
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: Yay!   so mobile again
[13:00] <popey> yeah
[13:00] <popey> they're taking the car to look at it
[13:00] <popey> i expect they will write it off
[13:00] <popey> so will need to rush around to get another car
[13:01] <daubers> Was that the volvo?
[13:02] <daubers> Also, does anyone remember who did the talk about Open Source in places like Africa at the last Oggcamp?
[13:03] <popey> no
[13:03] <daubers> A friend of the inlaws does a lot of work at an indian school who don't have mains leccy, and were offered some 'puters
[13:03] <popey> ahhh, i know someone who might be able to help you there daubers
[13:03] <daubers> \o/
[13:03] <popey> http://www.aleutia.com/
[13:03] <popey> them
[13:04] <popey> they came to the ubuntu release party
[13:04] <daubers> Cool :)
[13:04]  * daubers bookmarks
[13:05] <Daviey> popey: I was worried you had died.
[13:12] <popey> o_O
[13:13] <popey> Good news!
[13:13] <popey> ?
[13:14] <popey> Daviey: getting a lot of "reestablishing connection" to pad.ubuntu-uk.org ☹
[13:15] <Daviey> hmm
[13:15]  * Daviey investigates
[13:16] <popey> Go go gadget sherlock!
[13:16] <Daviey> popey, odd.. the load is 0.01 (which is unusually low)
[13:17] <Daviey> and seems to be running for me :/
[13:17]  * Daviey monitors
[13:18]  * czajkowski Daviey *pokes*
[13:19] <Daviey> czajkowski, ?
[13:19] <czajkowski> its what one does to monitors
[13:19] <Daviey> heh
[13:37] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a decent torrent client plz? transmission is a bit on the slow, rubbish side!
[13:38] <BigRedS> slow in what sense?
[13:38] <BigRedS> but whatever Azureus is called now is often recommended
[13:38] <BigRedS> Vuze?
[13:38] <jonsaint> dunno. i always used it before and it took forever compared to others ive used on microsoft
[13:38] <Daviey> jonsaint: Transmission often gives me 10M/s dowmload.
[13:39] <jonsaint> is it secure daviey?
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: In what sense?
[13:39] <jonsaint> well i used to use peer block with my last lot of software
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: I suspect you are comparing well seeded torrents to poorer ones.
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: transmission does support that.
[13:39] <BigRedS> yeah, I can't say I've noticed problems with transmission, but I've not really benchmarked it either
[13:40] <jonsaint> il give it another try
[13:44] <brobostigon> ./get_iplayer --nopurge --get 12680    docu about syd barrett
[13:45] <brobostigon> load of good music.
[13:47] <davmor2> brobostigon: lot of pink floyds earlier stuff then I take it :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> davmor2: shine on, still makes me feel alittle sad.
[13:48] <davmor2> brobostigon: I still love the fact that they got the the 1979 xmas number 1 :D
[13:48] <davmor2> priceless
[13:48] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes,:)
[14:08] <davmor2> Ahhhhhhhh addicted to love what a video
[14:38] <czajkowski> bugger lost my giffgaff sim
[14:38] <czajkowski> feck
[14:39] <dutchie> :(
[14:40] <popey> "oops"
[14:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: language timothy!
[14:41] <czajkowski> aye
[14:41] <czajkowski> it's somewhere in a bag but for the life of me I cannot find it
[14:41] <czajkowski> rather annoying
[14:41] <czajkowski> popey: tried your site to find the link to order one to give you the reference
[14:42] <dutchie> http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/jshholland ;)
[14:44] <danfish> hmm - I have a giffgaff sim which I've not tried yet and my vodafone contract runs out at the end of the month
[14:44] <danfish> have people had good expeiences with giffgaff?
[14:44] <dutchie> yes
[14:46] <danfish> I don't want a new monthly contract so I think I'll given them a go for a couple of months :)
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: I've read lots of positive reviews
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> If I needed a UK SIM, I'd get a Giffgaff one :)
[14:49] <siliconmeadow> I have a Natty "proposed update" kernel running on my laptop - 2.6.38-9-generic. I don't know how I ended up with it. I'd like to have the proper 2.6.38-10 that I've got on my desktop. Is there a way to get that kernel with apt-get or aptitude?
[14:51] <czajkowski> davmor2: can always get an o2 monthly
[14:51] <czajkowski> and top up each month
[14:51] <czajkowski> danfish: ^^^^
[14:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: I was gonna say I'm on contract with Orange why would I do that :D
[14:52] <czajkowski> I blame tab completion
[14:53] <oimon> ugh really? "Microsoft ® Office Starter 2010 includes reduced-functionality versions of Word and Excel with advertising. Purchase an Office 2010 license for full-featured Office software"
[14:53] <DJones> oimon: Yep really
[14:56] <DJones> I guess MS realised that Works was a bit out of date & they could see potential competition from LIbre/Open Office & decided to offer that
[14:57] <davmor2> DJones: that's been on offer since they rolled out Windows 7
[14:57] <oimon> i have never used works , or seen what it looks like in my entire life of working in IT
[15:00] <DJones> davmor2: hadn't realised that was when it started
[15:00] <DJones> Did they give out Works with Vista?
[15:00] <davmor2> and it is limited too
[15:00] <oimon> someone was asking em the other day about transferring an OEM copy of windows..apparently it's not legally possible
[15:01] <oimon> sorry i mean OEM copy of Office
[15:01] <BigRedS> no, OEM licenses are tied to the machine
[15:01] <BigRedS> for soem SM definition of 'machine'
[15:01] <BigRedS> er, 'some' and 'MS'
[15:01] <AlanBell> depends on your durisdiction and doctrine of sale rules or something I expect
[15:01] <AlanBell> either way, use LibreOffice
[15:01] <AlanBell> jurisdiction
[15:02] <DJones> I've seen it installed on new Win 7 machines but not used it, don't know how limited it is
[15:02] <davmor2> DJones: only works with docx (or what ever it is called) and txt iirc
[15:03] <DJones> davmor2: Right, my parents have got it on their machines, but all they ever use is the basic word & excel functions so they wouldn't notice any problem
[15:04] <oimon> DJones: ehat about the adverts?
[15:04] <DJones> oimon: They've never commented about them
[15:05] <kaushal> Hi
[15:05] <oimon> i hate it when i receive something in docx format..it means 75% of my users can't read it, and nor can any mobile devices
[15:05] <kaushal> Is there a way to monitor CPU and MEMORY Usage for a specific period of time and story it in a file for future reference
[15:05] <popey> kaushal: sar
[15:05] <oimon> i keep telling people who install office on windows to change the option so that it doesn't save in docx by default
[15:06] <kaushal> popey: but that doesnot tell about memory usage
[15:06] <popey> hmm, vmstat
[15:06] <kaushal> ok
[15:07]  * Gary passes popey some autoglym car polish
[15:07]  * popey passes Gary a brick
[15:07] <Gary> you okay?
[15:07] <popey> yeah
[15:08] <Gary> I always thought your commute to work was a wander down the garden path
[15:09] <popey> sadly not
[15:09] <popey> unles my house was in farnborough and the garden was in uxbridge
[15:10] <Gary> I went for a job interview where the company's offices were based in a (largeish) wooden summerhouse in the back garden, they ran a (small) webfarm from servers in there, which meant nice heating in winter, but not so great in the summer
[15:11] <oimon> sounds fun
[15:11] <Gary> kinda glad I did not get that job
[15:11] <oimon> was the salary paid in garden produce?
[15:11]  * czajkowski tickles Gary 
[15:11] <Gary> oimon: no idea, but the only loo's were in the main house!
[15:11] <Gary> hey ya cz<tab>
[15:11]  * Gary hides
[15:11] <andylockran> hey guys
[15:12] <popey> I have worked for a company where the office was in the bosses back garden
[15:12] <oimon> btrfs will be defauly filesystem in fedora 16 :-|
[15:12] <andylockran> I have a Maxtor USB disk plugged into a remote linux box
[15:12] <popey> yeah oimon
[15:12] <popey> fun huh :D
[15:12] <BigRedS> I think fedoras aiming to be a liveCD comedy act
[15:12] <popey> lucky you andylockran
[15:12] <popey> also
[15:12] <andylockran> how I can find out which device it is in /dev/ to mount it?
[15:12] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[15:12] <andylockran> popey: :)
[15:12] <BigRedS> andylockran: depends, what do you know about it
[15:12] <BigRedS> ?
[15:13] <BigRedS> generally, fdisk -l /dev/sd? will be useful
[15:13] <andylockran> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0d49:7450 Maxtor
[15:13] <andylockran> no worries
[15:13] <andylockran> I was misreading the output
[15:13] <andylockran> I thought I had a mirrored setup with three partitions on each (as is standard for all the machines in this setup)
[15:13] <danfish> czajkowski: tx
[15:13] <andylockran> but someone's set this up with two
[15:14] <andylockran> so there are 6 devices listed..
[15:14] <andylockran> the last one.. being /dev/sdc ... the disk I want
[15:15]  * Gary nibbles on czajkowski 
[15:17] <czajkowski> :o
[15:17] <czajkowski> oi
[15:19] <oimon> ewww
[15:20] <DJones> Gary: Be careful, you might get alcohol poisoning
[15:20] <Gary> how have you been czajkowski
[15:21] <Gary> DJones: why, does she have a high alcohol content?
[15:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: see now if that was me or MooDoo we'd of been sent off to the naughty step, unfairness in punishment :P
[15:22] <DJones> Gary: If twitter is to be believed, seems like every tweet is "I'm in .... pub/bar" ;)
[15:30] <czajkowski> oh I had yummy peach beer last night
[15:30] <czajkowski> DJones: stop making me out to be a piss head
[15:32] <DJones> czajkowski: Only joking, you could be working for teh good pub guide and be doing reports on them all :)
[15:33] <czajkowski> I wish
[15:33] <czajkowski> I should get a pub and rugby rewiew gig
[15:33] <czajkowski> I'd be so happy
[15:33] <brobostigon> :)
[15:34] <czajkowski> danfish: Heineken cup final 2013 is in ireland :D
[15:37] <danfish> czajkowski: \o/....the irony if there's no Irerish team in the final
[15:38] <danfish> s/Irerish/Irish
[15:38] <czajkowski> out of 16 finals
[15:38] <czajkowski> we've won 4
[15:38] <czajkowski> :)
[15:39] <danfish> bah - luck of the Irish ;)
[15:40] <davmor2> danfish: lucky czajkowski can now wallop you and get away with it ;)
[15:40] <popey> I saw this and thought of daubers http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Womens-T-Shirts/TV-and-Film-T-Shirts/p1579_sc1404.aspx
[15:42] <czajkowski> daubers: did you get magic stuff on the post yet..
[15:42] <danfish> popey: I get the bee thingy, but I thought daubers was/is a man
[15:43] <popey> they do mens t-shirts too
[15:43] <danfish> ah
[15:44] <Gary> DJones: that is correct for me too
[15:48] <daubers> czajkowski: I did! They turned up... Monday. Thank you very much :)
[15:48] <czajkowski> yay
[15:48] <daubers> popey: Oooooooooh
[15:49] <czajkowski> Id found them when packing
[15:49] <daubers> Shame I have no money this month. Silly car, with it's MOT, Tax and service in the same month
[15:49] <czajkowski> and then forgotten where I put them till I went looking for something warm to wear the other day
[15:49] <popey> daubers: they have lots of amusing t-shirts based around uk cities
[15:49] <daubers> czajkowski: Heh :) No bothers. They made my week a bit less gloomy
[15:50] <czajkowski> :)
[15:51] <daubers> "Reading, for when Slough's just not enough"......
[15:51] <daubers> Doesn't say much really
[15:56] <daubers> I know a few people who could do with one of these http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p6675_sc1386.aspx
[15:57] <daubers> They even have one for dutchie! http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p3013_sc1386.aspx
[15:57] <DJones> One for AlanChicken http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p6563_sc1386.aspx
[15:58] <DJones> I should get one of these http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p3609_sc1386.aspx
[16:04]  * daubers should get a bowtie
[16:04] <daubers> bowties are cool
[16:11] <JGJones> That's not what Melody Pond said :P
[16:16] <popey> AlanBell: hullo!
[16:16] <popey> AlanBell: how easy is it to do recording with Mumble?
[16:17] <AlanBell> easy peasy
[16:18] <daubers> as long as you speak up
[16:18] <daubers> :p
[16:18] <AlanBell> if you have the version in Natty on server and client
[16:18] <davmor2> popey: there is a record button in the client :)
[16:19] <popey> so for example if two people wanted to make a podcast and dont want to use skype..
[16:19] <popey> ?
[16:19] <AlanBell> I put a client on the server to do recording because it would have even latency
[16:20] <AlanBell> yup, it should work just fine for that
[16:20] <AlanBell> and not just two people
[16:21] <popey> might test that tonight
[16:21] <popey> if anyone is about
[16:21] <AlanBell> sure
[16:22] <AlanBell> feel free to use my server
[16:27] <popey> thanks
[16:27] <popey> I'd like to test recording locally
[16:27] <AlanBell> ok
[16:28] <AlanBell> it would be interesting to record locally in two places, and on the server and compare the results
[16:28] <popey> yeah!
[16:28] <davmor2> popey: If I'm around you can ping me I have Alanbell's mumble setup on my phone
[16:28] <popey> heh
[16:28] <AlanBell> ooh, how do I do that on my new phone?
[16:28] <davmor2> AlanBell: type in mumble in the app store
[16:29] <davmor2> might be an external app though I'll find you the link
[16:29] <popey> HP Touchpad looks like an interesting device
[16:29] <popey> webos tablet out on 1st July
[16:30] <popey> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-Announces-HP-TouchPad-bw-3702098318.html?x=0
[16:30] <davmor2> AlanBell: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Installing_Mumble
[16:30] <popey> http://www.hpwebos.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/
[16:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Day 1: Reinstall Windows - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/day-1-reinstall-windows/
[16:32] <Azelphur> urgh, I'm having fun \o/
[16:32] <Azelphur> PHP decided to create so many files in /var/lib/php5 that it unmounts the filesystem because the directory structure is full
[16:32] <Azelphur> I can't run ls in that folder, find just sucks up 100% memory and hangs, it's insane
[16:32] <Azelphur> I spent 4 hours rming that folder last night, it keeps freezing \o/
[16:33] <popey> "oops"
[16:34] <Azelphur> yea, someone clearly goofed up some php development \o/
[16:34] <popey> "To replicate a new users experience".... daubers
[16:34] <popey> New users don't install the OS
[16:34] <popey> it's done by the OEM
[16:37] <shauno> I don't believe that anymore. comes off as just being an excuse
[16:37] <gord> popey, i think he was setting it back to the OEM install
[16:38] <popey> yes...
[16:38] <popey> "new user"
[16:38] <popey> "new"
[16:38] <popey> since when does a "new user" to windows do an install?
[16:38] <gord> i don't think the act of setting it back was counted in the replication, that was just something he had to do to get it back in that state
[16:38] <gord> and it apparently didn't go well at all
[16:38] <DJones> I read it to be a "new user" of ubuntu, so getting a laptop back to an original win7 install before installing ubuntu
[16:38] <popey> well indeed
[16:39] <ali1234> http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/
[16:39] <ali1234> DJones: no, read that ^
[16:39] <popey> i recently "switched" to windows 7. I only use it for gaming though
[16:39] <popey> seems to work well enough for that single task
[16:39] <DJones> ali1234: Hadn't seen that
[16:39] <popey> I haven't even put an office suite on it
[16:40] <gord> i have a windows 7 install on this machine for gaming, when windows gets out of the way and its just you and steam it works pretty well
[16:40] <gord> i recently learnt that i can't however host any games on this machine from windows, can do from linux, but not windows. it screws up setting itself listening on the right port or something. on a different machine with windows 7 it works okay though
[16:40] <gord> its insane
[16:41] <davmor2> daubers: nice don't ask us for help we all hate you for using windows ;)
[16:41] <oimon> i hate how windows thinks it is helping you by dumbing down, and in fact just hides important functionality..a few friends wonder why their firewalls never work properly on win7..i know why
[17:01] <daubers> popey: The original idea was to set the laptop back to the factory state so it would be like that :( But that step in it's own was very aggravating
[17:01] <popey> heh, yeah
[17:02] <daubers> Going to try put my music/pictures/what not on it this evening
[17:02] <daubers> I reckon it'll bork at the oggs
[17:02] <daubers> and the raw files from my camera
[17:03] <gord> things i discovered, the jamendo plugin for rb seems to download the entire database of album's and tracks on jamendo with metadata to your computer as a giant 100mb .xml file - i want to slap whoever decided that was a good idea
[17:05] <popey> daubers: your camera would have come with software, surely?
[17:07] <daubers> It might have done. Whether I have that software to hand is another question
[17:07] <daubers> Might be in my parents roof
[17:12] <daubers> popey: Looks like it is available on the canon site though
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: is it signed? are you sure you're getting non-trojaned drivers from Canon?
[17:17] <daubers> MartijnVdS: No idea :) Won't bother looking at it until I get home and have some relevant images to play with
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: just suggesting a point of interest for your 30-days-of-Windows story :)
[17:17] <daubers> :)
[17:23] <shauno> anyone ever send back "wrong number" emails?
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "wrong number" emails?
[17:24] <shauno> every so often my gmail acct gets emails for the "wrong shaun"
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> mark as spam
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> punish the sender for their mistake by making gmail think their mail is spammy ;)
[17:24] <shauno> it feels like it should be polite to tell people they didn't reach their intended recipient, but it takes far too much work to figure out if it's genuine or not now :/
[17:25]  * daubers goes home
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> daubers: good luck in Wi\ndowsland
[17:27] <shauno> I tried sending myself mail via their uni mailserver to see if it'd relay improperly.  pulled the attached pdf limb from limb to see if there was a payload in it at all.  shot back a polite one-liner, and got a reply from a human
[17:27] <shauno> kinda sad that the default reaction is that if I don't recognise it, it must be spam/virus
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no, it's probably just someone making a mistake
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but not yours, so don't waste time on it
[17:28] <shauno> if I didn't have time to burn, I wouldn't be babbling about it on irc :o)
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: good point
[17:28] <AlanBell> MichealH: o/
[17:29] <shauno> unfortunately there's multiple spellings of both my first & last name, so it happens :/
[17:31] <Azelphur> ok, having problems here \o/
[17:32] <Azelphur> PHP has created so many files that it messes up my filesystem and puts it into RO mode
[17:32] <popey> shauno: i do sometimes
[17:32] <Azelphur> I'm trying to rm the files, but there's so many of them. rm seems to not want to remove them
[17:32] <popey> shauno: there's a health club in florida that keeps sending me bills
[17:32] <shauno> hah
[17:32] <Azelphur> suggestions?
[17:32] <popey> Azelphur: local or remote?
[17:32] <Azelphur> local
[17:32] <popey> shut it down, boot live cd, mount it
[17:33] <shauno> I don't get anything that bad. this was the first one I'd got from seattle.  I did get one guy that signed up for vodafone in the UK with my address :/
[17:33] <popey> oh i have a couple of xbox live people using addresses in my domain
[17:33] <popey> I've logged into their account before now
[17:33] <Azelphur> popey: it boots and stays alive for a short amount of time, I run rm -rfv /var/lib/php5 and it just hangs
[17:33] <shauno> it turned out it was one-L vs two-L oneil.  he didn't believe me, so I logged into his acct and sent him a text :)
[17:33] <Azelphur> doesn't say it's removing anything \o/
[17:33] <Azelphur> but yea, maybe a livecd will have more luck.
[17:33] <popey> Azelphur: right, thats why i said bot from live
[17:33] <Azelphur> yea.
[17:40] <shauno> I'd try find too.  something like find /var/lib/php5 -type f -exec rm "{}" ";"
[17:41] <shauno> it tends to handle large folders better than most tools  (and much better than trying to let the shell glob it)
[17:53] <Azelphur> popey: livecd seems like a no deal too :(
[17:54] <Azelphur> same deal, sudo rm -rfv /var/lib/php5 just hangs
[17:55] <Azelphur> and so does ls \o/
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hangs, or takes an age to enumerate all files?
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: unless it's on nfs and the nfs server is no longer available, it shouldn't hang
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (try strace -p pid_of_ls_or_rm_here as root -- if it scrolls it's doing something, if it doesn't it'll tell you what it's waiting for :))
[18:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: says select(6, [5], [], NULL, NULL
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that means it's waiting for a file (or directory) handle to become readable
[18:12] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:12] <Azelphur> someone suggested to me I use rm -d
[18:12] <jacobw> afternoonix
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what does that do?
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> (it's not in the manual)
[18:14] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: not entirely sure
[18:14] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: "Actually, the -d option to rm will apparently unlink the directory regardless of whether it's empty or not. Then, in theory, an fsck would deal with all the unreferenced files that are left on the disk."
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> scary
[18:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:15] <Azelphur> I kinda don't have a choice, though.
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> I'd only do that in single-user mode
[18:15] <Azelphur> single user?
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: "rescue mode" boot
[18:15] <Azelphur> I'm on a livecd for now
[18:15] <Azelphur> so should be ok :P
[18:16] <Azelphur> -d hangs too, hahaha
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: how many files do you have in there?
[18:17] <Azelphur> no idea, but a lot
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: session storage gone mad? :)
[18:17] <Ng> hmm
[18:17]  * Ng tries to work out how to get ecryptfs to produce some useful errors
[18:18] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: apparently
[18:18] <Azelphur> brb, food \o/
[18:20] <daubers> lo
[18:25] <jacobw> was the latest uupc this week?
[18:25] <jacobw> i'm catching up now.
[18:25] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/06/08/s04e08-caught-somewhere-in-time/
[18:28]  * Azelphur returns
[18:29] <jacobw> thanks AlanBell
[18:29] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: how can fsck finish successfully, instantly?
[18:29] <Azelphur> this is making no sense o.O
[18:34] <Azelphur> ah, -f to force
[18:34] <shauno> you're using -f ?
[18:34] <Azelphur> now I am :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> "checking directory structure" this is gonna take a while.
[18:42] <shauno> heh, that's a bit .. err .. http://i.imgur.com/SACYA.jpg
[18:42] <Azelphur> lol
[18:43] <Azelphur> gah, fsck didn't fix it
[18:43] <Azelphur> save me oh great computer gods from the evilness contained within this folder.
[18:43] <shauno> technically it's not broken :/
[18:44] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:45] <shauno> did you try find at all?
[18:47] <Azelphur> shauno: yea it just eats more and more memory
[18:47] <Azelphur> and doesn't actually do anything
[18:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[18:48] <davmor2> meh now she got to see who said what to her muhahahahahaha
[19:03] <popey> haha shauno
[19:10] <Ricey> evening all :)
[19:18] <Ricey> quiet here tonight! everyone still having tea?
[19:24] <davmor2> Ricey: No!
[19:24] <Ricey> me neither, but the one show is on ;)
[19:24] <Ricey> might be that that's keeping everyone busy
[19:24] <Ricey> !
[19:25] <shauno> I'm sorta here, but mostly fighting with Steam vs symlinks :(
[19:27] <Ricey> eep!
[19:28] <Ricey> I just put all my steam apps in a separate folder on a second partition and run stem/then from there
[19:28] <Ricey> steam/them
[19:28] <Ricey> can't type!
[19:30] <Ricey> anyone ever managed to get moonlight to work with ff4 ?
[19:30] <Ricey> i'm just seeing which catch up tv players work on ubuntu
[19:33] <davmor2> shauno: what was that on.  the windows linux?
[19:34] <shauno> davmor2: no idea sadly, it was shared on another network, and I thought it'd get a chuckle here too
[19:48] <Ricey> brb need to reboot - my soundcard doesn't always get detected on this laptop!
[19:50] <davmor2> shauno: no probs
[19:50] <Ricey> that's better :)
[20:12]  * AlanBell pokes MichealH 
[20:13] <AlanBell> meeting in 45 minutes or so folks
[20:27] <Core_UK> What meeting?
[20:27] <SuprEngr> AlanBell, already present & correct, Sir
[20:29] <BigRedS> Core_UK: ubuntu-uk loco team meeting. Where 'ubuntu-uk loco team' basically involves anyone who wants to be involved
[20:30] <Core_UK> BigRedS, thank you however I meant more: what is the meeting regarding?
[20:32] <SuprEngr> Core_UK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Elections
[20:32] <BigRedS> Core_UK: general stuff. It's a montly thing.
[20:32] <BigRedS> biggie this month is how the loco team leader elections work
[20:33] <BigRedS> there's an agenda, uh, somewhere
[20:33] <Core_UK> ok :)
[20:33] <BigRedS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[20:34] <Core_UK> thanks BigRedS, I joined the channel :)
[20:34] <Core_UK> thank you also SuprEngr
[20:36] <gord> awww, gabe newell says he wants to make a linux client for his games but they just don't have the time :(
[20:37] <Core_UK> what developer is that?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: well if he open sourced them, I'm sure someone would MAKE time :)
[20:37] <gord> Core_UK, valve software CEO
[20:44] <Core_UK> anyone know of a media player that support displaying cue information as if they were individual files (such like foobar on win32?)
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> cue information?
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> what do you mean?
[20:46] <Core_UK> If you have a media file (MP3) that has multiple songs (like a DJ mix) a cue file is sometimes included to separate the songs, i think it just lists the time each song starts
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> But .cue files are for writing to CD
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> I don't think any player understands that
[20:46] <Core_UK> Foobar will look for a cue file in the same directory and if found display the single MP3 as multiple songs
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> maybe vlc, it understands a lot
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> or just get split files ;)
[20:47] <Core_UK> Yeah that is the general advice I get
[20:47] <Core_UK> but I get a lot of mixes in this format
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Burn to CD, play the CD :)
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> (another alternative ;))
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> maybe foobar works in wine?
[20:48] <Core_UK> Maybe ^^
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> also, you could file a (wishlist?) bug report on totem/vlc/banshee
[20:48] <Core_UK> good idea
[20:49] <Core_UK> I prefer banshee I will google how to do it
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: you can file a bug on anything using: ubuntu-bug the_thing
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: so "ubuntu-bug banshee" in this case (from a terminal window)
[20:50] <Core_UK> wow
[20:50] <Core_UK> This OS never ceases to suprise me :P
[20:50] <BigRedS> That's one of those things that gets addictive with free software
[20:51] <BigRedS> the amount of times I've tried to find a bugtracker for proprietary software...
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> you could also select "Report a problem" from banshee's menus
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> (the "Help" menu)
[20:54] <Core_UK> indeed
[20:54] <Core_UK> thank you for the advice MartijnVdS
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> no problem :)
[20:54] <BigRedS> Anyone got any strong opinions on roms for a Galaxy S?
[20:54]  * daubers is suffering some irony overload
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Been listening too much Alanis?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Cyanogen.
[20:55] <daubers> Silly Windows won't copy my entire Music collection off my backup in one chunk, so I've been forced into a cmd prompt to do it
[20:55] <daubers> Or move stuff a couple of folders at a time
[20:55] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: it's only available in unstable
[20:55] <gord> daubers, won't copy?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sure it's not a problem of "illegal characters"? (: or \ or some such)
[20:56] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Fails silently
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: using drag & drop in Explorer? wow
[20:56] <daubers> gord: Select all, drag and drop from one place to another
[20:56] <gord> interesting
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: untraceable errors yay (another blog point :)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: nothing in the system log?
[20:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not that jumps out at me
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: do you have more than MAXINT songs? :)
[20:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: A few GB, so prolly
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have >400 CDs and that adds up to ~10k songs
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which is several orders of magnitude less than maxint :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> meeting started over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:36] <BigRedS> Are days longer in ip6?
[21:36] <BigRedS> :)
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> 128 bits instead of 32 ;)
[21:37] <AlanBell> 2^96 times longer
[21:37] <BigRedS> haha
[21:37] <BigRedS> yeah, I tried to concoct an actual joke, but rather failed
[21:38] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: hahaha, I managed to get ls to run in this directory without exhausting memory
[21:38] <Azelphur> I'm doing wc -l, this is gonna be funny.
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: wc just counts and discards, shouldn't eat loads of mem
[21:39] <Azelphur> yea, ls -U1 doesn't sort them or keep them in memory too so I can use it
[21:39] <Azelphur> It's running now, I wonder how many files php has created for me.
[21:39] <BigRedS> ahhh, I wondered what you'd done to ls
[21:39] <BigRedS> i think find discards once it prints, too
[21:40] <Azelphur> BigRedS: nah it doesn't
[21:40] <BigRedS> ah
[21:40] <BigRedS> that's silly of it
[21:58] <AlanBell> Daviey: is mootbot-uk awol?
[21:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 14.5 million php session files
[21:58] <Azelphur> php being fun \o/
[21:59] <Daviey> pah
[21:59] <Daviey> one moment
[22:01] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:37] <shauno> Azelphur, is there anything funky in the filenames? spaces etc?
[22:37] <Azelphur> shauno: nope, they are just php session files
[22:37] <Azelphur> shauno: I'm slowly removing them, should take like 5 days though.
[22:37] <shauno> if you can get ls to run, you should be able to make a loop outta it now
[22:38] <Azelphur> shauno: yep, that's what I did
[22:38] <shauno> coolbeans
[22:39] <Azelphur> shauno: it's removing about 33 files a second, it's gotta do 15.5 million
[22:39] <Azelphur> will take a few days
[22:40] <shauno> :)
[22:40] <shauno> you might find it actually runs faster without -v.  or if you can switch to a different vt so it's not drawing line by line
[22:42] <Core_UK> How do I add the ubuntu-uk podcast to banshee?
[22:46] <jacobw> http://library.gnome.org/users/banshee/1.8/add-podcast.html.en
[22:47] <Core_UK> I tried adding the URL
[22:47] <jacobw> Banshee can be slow
[22:47] <jacobw> Its always been slow :|
[22:48] <Core_UK> No I am silly
[22:48] <Core_UK> Banshee is slow? You prefer an alternative?
[22:53] <jacobw> Rhythmbox is good enough
[22:53] <jacobw> I don't particulary dislike Banshee, I just think its slow
[23:01] <Core_UK> ok :)
[23:02] <jsp8> funny thing about banshee is the way it duplicates entries in the media library after ripping a cd
[23:02] <jsp8> never worked out why...