[02:47] request for Lococast 18... retract your VB6 open sourced announcement. it was a scam. its not being open sourced. [02:54] jrwren: Thank God. [12:01] g'morn [12:30] ayup [12:48] oh wtf, Columbus has its own vim group now?! http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Columbus/events/20827741/?a=socialmedia [12:49] jealous? [12:49] damn ohio [12:50] yea, they've got multiple python groups, a freaking vim group, pyohio, olf [12:51] all we have i penguicon [12:51] and sorry, but that's not even the same [12:51] i know [12:51] that's like "We've got the auto show" [12:51] except "We've got the crazy people show" [12:51] :P [12:53] I have been toying with organizing an open source conference here. i just don't think many people would come [12:53] besides, we have barcampgr [12:53] yea [12:53] all things start small though [12:54] first pyohio was somehting like 30 people or whatever [12:54] I mean we all fit in one big room [12:54] rick_h_: I thought the 'crazy people show' was just regaurded as normal life? [12:54] i'd like to see more of that stuff from the east side [12:54] you supposedly have all of the people [12:54] how big is mug? [12:55] yea, but people here are anti social [12:55] on a great day 30 people [12:55] these days, with new location, etc, a bit smaller [12:55] but mug isn't made of conf material [12:55] ug, grlug can bring in that many [12:56] Good morning [12:56] morning [12:56] yes [12:56] meh, I'll be quiet. Just floored me they were getting a freaking vim group [12:56] groups are easy to start ;) [12:56] I'm not going to start organizing anything anytime soon so if you're not helping, stop complaining [12:57] i declare vimgr! [12:57] heh, we had a 3 person CHC last night. Smallest I remember since thanksgiving [12:57] i could have 4 people at the first meeting ;) [12:58] i declared a chc-like weekly meeting yesterday. first one is next wednesday [12:58] 8-10pm [12:58] awesome, should get it up on the web site as a location [12:59] well it's really a relocation and time change of grlug saturday social [12:59] gotcha [12:59] i can't even call it an ubuntu hour yet [13:01] we need a midwinter linux fest in lansing or ann arbor [13:01] does ann arbor have a linux group? [13:02] too mac happy :P [13:03] that is becoming a problem [13:09] brousch: we have WLUG, washtenaw county lug [13:10] ah [13:58] Ah... we can all bask in the warm spotlight of the Linux Journal.... http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ubuntu-bug-reporting-again [14:01] I think we should rewrite a maxim: "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are ignored for 6 months until somebody asks if it can be reproduced in the current version and/or latest alpha/beta release". [14:07] OK, I could waste way too much time on today's Google homepage. [14:12] Wolfger: The problem is that OSS has DUBS mentality [14:12] We don't perfect the wheel, we just make it bigger with more chrome [14:13] DUBS? [14:13] Sorry, DUB [14:14] Oh c'mon, you've worked at Chrysler long enough to know what DUB is. [14:14] I'm acronym impaired, sorry [14:14] Refers to 20 inch wheels [14:14] Chrysler partnered with them to trick out the Magnum, 300, etc. [14:14] http://v2.dubmag.net [14:14] ah... see, now, you mistake me for a car guy just because I work at a car company. [14:15] I'm nto a car company, but they handed out posters of those cars like they were candy. [14:15] It was like a badge of honor how many and how old your posters were. [14:15] heheheh [14:16] I never got a poster [14:16] http://www.benlevy.com/auto/show/cas07/chrysler300c.jpg [14:16] That is DUB in a nutshell [14:17] Tricked out, custom. [14:17] Turns heads [14:17] and the moment you hit a curb, you're down $3K [14:18] LOL. Firewall blocked that site. [14:20] You're shitting me [14:20] hang on [14:20] http://ubuntuone.com/p/yLH/ [14:21] Sorry the great firewall of Chrysler doesn't want you seeing their product DUBed out. [14:21] Though, maybe that's a good thing. :) [14:22] Why the fuck is that site blocked? IT's a guy taking pictures of cars. [14:22] ROFL [14:22] I gave up trying to make sense of it. [14:23] so.... yeah. Really impractical tires. [14:23] I mean, I could understand if it was a site dedicated to Race Queens or models [14:23] but this is _your bread and butter_ [14:24] heheheh [14:24] I'll just play guitar on Google a bit longer while we contemplate the logic behind that. [14:25] lol i didn't realize that the logo was interactive today, going to play guitar right now [14:26] and you can record it [14:27] and they give you a link so you can share your recording [14:27] Yeah, thats awsome. [14:27] Google is <3 [14:56] columbus is a very tech city. its like ann arbor, but 5 times the populus... and about 2 times the techies :p [14:56] they had to grow 5 times just to keep up 2x :) [14:57] what surprises me most bout the columbus vim meeetup is that I don't nkow any of those 8 on the lsit :) [14:57] 'cept Raju who says "maybe" === DBOut is now known as DBO [15:04] jrwren: what the big tech industries in Columbus? [15:04] what [15:14] uh.... hosting conferences? [15:15] Heh [15:15] That's my thought. :) [15:20] lol. [15:20] lots of finance, insurance. [15:20] for the "cool" factor, edgecase is there. [15:20] 0_o [15:20] Finance and insurance are tech industries? [15:20] I'd say so [15:21] not directly of course [15:22] every industry in high tech. [15:22] even escavation. [15:23] do you know what kind of tech they use in escavation? its crazy. [15:23] finance spurs a massive amount of tech innovation around here [15:23] oil drilling - high tech. [15:23] Just because an industry *uses* tech doesn't mean they *are* tech. [15:23] <_stink_> so every city is a very tech city? [15:23] tech for tech sake is useless. [15:23] no, but every city has tech. [15:23] its just a matter of how much. [15:23] and cbus has A LOT of stuff [15:24] A hospital is not a tech business. The companies that make the equipment they use are. [15:24] Id say some industries are less likely to be technically innovative though [15:24] a financial firm: not tech. The company that writes their software: tech. [15:24] i disagree. [15:25] financial firms around here mostly write their own stuff in house [15:25] at least the stuff I hear about [15:25] but if you mean "tech business" as in a business that makes money selling tech, then I agree. [15:25] but there are very few of those in existence. [15:25] google is not a tech business for example [15:25] apple is not [15:25] MSFT is. [15:26] but now we are talking business revenue models [15:26] so I don't see how "tech business" is relevant [15:27] Google is very tech. Their product is advertising, but they build a massive amount of non-advertising tech to achieve their goal. [15:27] Apple is not? Are you insane? [15:27] See, I have no idea waht you are talkinga bout. [15:27] you are argueing my side now. [15:28] in that Finance & Insurance can be tech. [15:28] just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. [15:28] can be != are, and I've seen no example of a finance or insurance firm accomplishing their goals via building tech [15:29] wow. [15:29] well, here are some examples: NYSE, NASDAQ, VISA, CITI [15:29] all leverage tech to competetive advantage. [15:29] I'm astounded still that you think Apple doesn't count as a tech firm when that is all they do is build and sell bits of technology. [15:30] What bit of tech has NYSE built? [15:31] i didn't say that. [15:31] I said they do not make $$$ selling tech. [15:31] most of apple's revenue is from selling media and dsitribution [15:31] its from ITMS not from ipods [15:31] choose what we are talking about, how they make money, or what they do. [15:31] fiddlesticks [15:32] itms is recent [15:32] if it is what they do, then NYSE has to build high speed trading systems [15:32] itms has been around for almost 10 yrs [15:32] Apple has always been a hardware company, and still is [15:32] They have found a new revenue stream, yes [15:32] you are just wrong. [15:32] but it is based upon the hardware [15:32] go read an annual report. [15:33] your statements reflect public perception, but not business reality. [15:34] yes, they could not get the distrub revenue without the devices in consumers hands. that is true. [15:34] check the press releases: http://www.apple.com/pr/ [15:34] tech, tech, and more tech [15:34] nothing in there about music [15:35] quarterly statement: "Apple sold 3.76 million Macs during the quarter, a 28 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. The Company sold 18.65 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 113 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 9.02 million iPods during the quarter, representing a 17 percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter. The Company also sold 4.69 million iPads [15:35] during the quarter. " [15:36] iTunes is not mentioned [15:36] ITMS is not mentioned [15:37] http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/20results.html [15:55] jcastro: moving to florida??? WTF?!?!? [15:56] Wolfger: then I'm misinformed. [15:56] jcastro moving to FL? [16:00] yea, something about chasing a woman :) [16:00] I wonder if Florida has been cooler then MI lately [16:02] reading teh anual report, "iPhone and related rpoducts and services" is 4X any other product area and "Other... services" is 1/8 of iphone sales. [16:02] You are right, my bad. [16:05] jrwren: yeah for a year for jill's internship [16:05] no worries, we'll be back [16:07] ho good [16:08] jcastro: what you think for the atv2 xbmc replacement? http://bit.ly/kh3yBC [16:09] krondor: whoa, that's dirt cheap [16:09] http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 [16:10] yeah, I don't the brand but ... my only concern is it's ion 1 and atom 330 so not sure if it is a bit underpowered [16:10] Apple better get on the stick, or I'm going to have to send Jorge a case of beer. [16:10] wow I'm forgetting words... I don't know the brand. [16:32] krondor: jill has an atom 330 in hers [16:32] it's fine [16:32] I'd be more worried about the ion1 tbh, but iirc that can chop through 1080p quite well [16:36] yeah looks like from the xbmc forms performance should be just fine. To the shopping cart it is. [16:37] ugh something is seriously wrong with me today s/forms/forums/ [17:53] USA resumes airstrikes in Yemen? When did we stop them? When did we start them in the first place??? [18:02] Wolfger: Welcome back [18:05] we's just droppin' bombs everywhere [18:05] no wonder nobody likes us. [18:08] Well, that and the news just can't get enough cock to satisfy it. [18:09] snap-l: i believe you mean weiner [18:09] SSDC [18:10] Same Shit, Different Cock [18:10] LOL [18:10] Yes. Let's ignore how well (or, more often, poorly) our elected officials run the country, and instead focus on the important matter of their sex lives. [18:11] Wolfger: It's easier to drag things down to a hea-said-she-said playground debate than it is to really have hinest and thoughtful discussion [18:12] What's even better is it's probably some character assasination [18:13] after all, few politicians can withstand the mortal would of sex scandal [18:13] you'd have to be JFK or Clinton to withstand that kind of accusation [18:14] Uh-oh. ThinkGeek is targeting snap-l directly... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/frustrations/e961/?cpg=162H&image [18:17] heh [19:01] ok, so should a dba know how to write stored procedures and know how to ssh/tunnel ? [19:01] stored proceedures, if his db supports it [19:02] feel like I'm doing this moron's work for him and want to know if I'm being a cranky old man or not [19:02] "Is there any way to connect to AWS in MySQL Workbench so I don’t have to do all this command line stuff? [19:02] " [19:02] it is certainly something he should learn [19:03] about to explode at that comment [19:03] command line sux [19:03] gui r0x [19:03] then ssh tunnel the damn thing [19:04] that's networking stuff! [19:04] but i would hope you could point him at a ssh tunnel howto and have him do it [19:06] cruel and unusual punishment that is. Making somebody touch a command line like that. [19:07] next thing you know you'll take away his TP and make him wipe with a corncob [19:09] Um, he's a DBA. He should be OK with the command line [19:09] that's crazy talk [19:09] Sorry, but if you can't admin a DB from the command line, you're not doing it right. [19:09] You're using MS-SQL, right? ;-) [19:09] access does not give me a command line [19:09] That said, I've run into a bunch of DBAs at Ford that used TOAD [19:10] that sounds rather repugnant [19:10] and Sybase DBAs at Chrysler that used that funky poonched thing that escapes my reckoning. [19:11] brousch: If you're using Access, you deserve whatever hellish torment a GUI can give you. [19:11] reckoning should be properly escaped before you put it in your db [19:11] snap-l: believe it or now, it's a really nice gui for db crud [19:12] brousch: I've used it in the past with Oracle [19:12] and have used Excel via ODBC to Oracle [19:12] it wasn't pretty, but it worked. [19:12] that's half of our business application! well, Access instead of oracle [19:13] I have to hand it to MS; ODBC is a nasty protocol, but it does work. [19:14] pyodbc makes it useful [19:14] Embarcadero [19:14] That's the company that made the tool we used. [19:14] Regardless, if your DBA objects to using the command line, they're suspect. [19:15] That's like a guy calling himself a UNIX admin because he uses Webmin. [19:16] what's wrong with webmin?! [19:16] That's like a guy calling himself a web developer because he made a GeoCities page. [19:16] damn you all? what am i?! [19:16] Wolfger: Shhhh [19:16] Back in the 1990s that was all you needed. [19:17] anyone familiar with 'icewarp' mail server? [19:17] GeoCities was never enough! [19:19] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/335/ [19:19] I'm a web developer. :) [19:20] krondor: Heard of it in passing, but that's about it [19:21] Oh, well, if you did it all in Perl, that's different! ;-) [19:21] hmm, trying to figure out stuff about it. A smaller IT group has been running it for awhile I guess and now I need to sync their mail accounts to our spam solution. [19:21] (Sadly, I've seen variations on that Perl script more times than I care to admit" [19:21] that's because a lot of people C&P'd the same bad example. [19:22] > half the web wouldn't exist without copyright infringement. [19:22] "we'll just take this website and change the content" [19:22] We used to joke that there was only three original web pages, and the rest was C&P from thosepages. [19:23] that was before CSS, though [19:23] krondor: I seem to remember (falsely, perhaps) that icewarp was some OSS project at some point [19:23] Now there's maybe 2 dozen [19:23] maybe I'm thinking of Firefox / Iceweasel [19:24] snap-l: no I think I recall that, but looking at their website I see nothing OSS now... not sure [19:25] Like, it was Zimbra or something big before some fork [19:27] someone forked zimbra? wow, that is a mighty beast [19:45] that's what I'm remembering, though I could be horribly mistaken [19:45] the ol' brain don't remember so good. [19:55] bah ok, he's no DBA. He's a freaking guy that did reporting on MSSQL server and got a job doing mysql db reporting crap here [19:55] and doesn't get temp tables, stored procs, etc [19:55] "done any programming?" [19:55] "some vbscript?" [19:55] ... [19:56] so you mean no then [19:59] Heh [19:59] Sorry, but if you're a DBA, you get, nay, love stored procedures [20:00] means you get to be touchy-feely about the code banging against your database. [20:00] some python? so you mean no then. [20:00] Aw, who woke 'im up? [20:00] * brousch sniffs the air. I smell troll [20:01] "you setup a 1000 node linux cluster, but never built your own kernel? We'll put your skill level at n00b" [20:01] snap-l: he has a alert set on vbscript [20:01] jrwren: If the only programming you've ever done, as part of your existence on this planet we call earth, is VBScript, you are worthy of derision. [20:02] its foolish generalizations like that which cause the need for ubuntu code of conduct. [20:02] ITS JUST A PROGRAMMING LANGAUGE [20:02] It is the programming equivalent of saying that you've seen Rome because you bought that month's National Geographic. [20:02] you can program shit in any language. [20:02] except that its not. [20:02] lmgtfy.com?q=define:strawman%20argument [20:03] oh man, did jrwren just CoC-slap snap-l? [20:03] <_stink_> file charges! [20:04] http://jwilliams.org/C2090488437/E1354392596/index.html [20:04] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vbscript+sucks+donkey+balls [20:05] lol. [20:05] so, just like php, perl, ruby? http://www.bitstorm.org/edwin/en/php/ [20:06] http://www.simmoril.com/blog/?p=135 [20:06] http://juixe.com/techknow/index.php/2007/09/21/java-ruby-and-even-python-sucks/ [20:06] I have seen sins committed in PHP [20:06] Atrocities in Ruby [20:06] EVERY langauge has its warts. [20:06] look, if the guy has my co-worker writing a freaking C user defined functino no mysql that's taken down the damn server 10x in the last two weeks for this: http://daphne.palomar.edu/stat/vs%20medianfd.html [20:06] then he's not a db guy or a programmer [20:06] that's all I'm saying [20:07] and language genocie in Perl [20:07] but they still don't hold a candle to the language hari-kari that I've seen of VB and VBScript. [20:08] yeah, I don't know waht that maens. [20:08] I've seen great VB & VBscript. [20:08] I know VB and VBScript coders taht can code circles around a lot of python coders I know. [20:08] EVERY langauge has its warts. [20:08] EVERY langauge has its poor coders and its guru coders. [20:09] wait... he is writing median function in C??? [20:09] WTF for? [20:09] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=visual%20basic [20:09] jrwren: When there's an urban dictionary entry for how shit the language is, I believe the argument stands that VB is shit. [20:10] you are citing urban dictionary entry. I'll let that speak for itself. [20:10] mysql median function is the first user comment here : http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/group-by-functions.html [20:11] right, but it's not weighted [20:11] so the custom function has to handle a weight to the results, not hard, but for some reason it came to my co-worker that it needed to be written as this "udf" in mysql [20:11] which has been a mess/nightmare [20:12] jrwren: that's the freaking point. This guy is not a DBA [20:12] and to add insult to injury, he only has coded in VBScript [20:12] * snap-l puts himself in time-out. [20:13] maybe point him to this : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1291152/simple-way-to-calculate-median-with-mysql [20:14] and teach him the power of searching google and stackoverflow for solutions :) [20:14] it's not any of those, it's a grouped median [20:14] I agree with him that there's not a built in function in mysql to do it [20:14] however, he should be able to whip up a SP to handle it [20:15] and the fact that he's doesn't know temp tables and hasn't written any SP frustrates me that my co-worker has been chasing what she was 'told' to do where it was clearly not the right way [20:35] its a bummer that there are inexperienced devs out there that make poor decisions. [20:35] its also the norm. [20:35] ++ [20:36] oh no doubt, and it's partially my coworkers fault [20:36] she 'assumed' that he tried/knew how to do things db side without her C based udf [20:36] when that was a big false assumption [20:41] sounds like the team isn't functioning as a "team" ;) [20:41] also the norm. [20:41] yea, ugh [21:31] greg-g: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcV4LVhSRLg [22:24] I'm not sure how Ubuntu One managed this, but this file is taking longer to download than it did to upload it. [23:15] Oh hell no [23:15] Hell no [23:15] My Blue Microphone isn't working with Natty [23:16] What the fuck [23:17] This works on the laptop just fine [23:31] And apparently booting with the mic installed worked. [23:44] I am really starting to get very annoyed with this [23:44] Something is causing me to be unable to record. [23:45] Fucking overdub. Seems now Audacity / Natty can't handle that anymore