[00:25] pace_t_zulu: can you give more details on your ec2 setup, costing 1.01 (if I recall) [00:26] I'm trying to do the math to see where your usage meets mine [00:26] (or more accurately, why my numbers seem to shoot higher than a linode) [00:31] cyberanger: no problem ... i gotta run right now ... but i'll definitely help you out later [00:52] pace_t_zulu: thank you [03:37] cyberanger: you around? [03:40] yeah [03:41] cyberanger: this stinking setup the modem gets an ip address, but the router on the wan gets a local ip address needless to say portforwarding is not working any ideas? [03:43] oh it says its a router... goodness [03:43] smartmodem setup [03:43] yep, the guy reset the modem, for the laptop [03:43] cyberanger: this is how they set them all up i don't know why [03:43] my parents is the same way [03:43] and went by their default [03:44] any idea on how to get it to work or is their a way [03:44] mine was the same, but I told it to act dumb [03:44] what modem? [03:44] ok [03:44] comtrend ct-5072t [03:45] * wrst goes to try his old modem brb [03:49] * cyberanger regrets being better versed on motorola gear atm [03:51] wrst: turn off network bridge mode, still looking over the manual a little further, but that's what's gotta happen in the end [03:51] lemme see for more details still though [03:51] http://www.sonic.net/support/dsl/cpe/ct_5072t_config.shtml [03:52] well that didn't work [03:53] that didn't, the login details with http://192.168.1.1 [03:54] and you'll need the username and password used for pppoe (which is different) [03:57] and you'll need the username and password used for pppoe (which is different) [04:02] hmm cyberanger am I still here? [04:04] You are here... [04:05] thanks Unit193 i'm not happy with my new modem, that's more than a modem, that i just want to be a modem! [04:06] I had to setup one in bridge mode >_> [04:07] Modems can be a pain... (We just have a dumb cable modem :D ) [04:08] I've had to tell mine not to be in bridge mode (which is your issue wrst) [04:11] cyberanger: I can do that if I could log in [04:11] and you couldn't? [04:11] no [04:12] http://192.168.1.1 user root password 12345 [04:12] tried it cyberanger they have changed the default IP and the password [04:13] wrst, I love my current modem, its the only thing I have to use for wireless and a router and a port for a phone [04:13] evidently this is linux based because the ssh port is open also which is mighty stupid to have port 80 and 22 open by default if you ask me [04:13] i'm guessing if i do a reset I can start from scratch but I'm guessing the settings couldn't be to bad to figure out? [04:23] wrst: on who's side, your lan or there's [04:23] yeah, I'd hold off on reseting for a little while, less it reset to a real blank state [04:23] the modem cyberanger best I can tell I can't port forward until the modem is setup differently [04:28] yeah, so you may need to bug customer service about it (perhaps metion needing to port forward for something they'd use, like xbox live) [04:29] yeah I guess I will call them yet again tomorrow [04:29] (since they seem to be backing a customer into a corner, might be best to find something commonly port forwarded) [04:29] it's gotta be done in that modem [04:30] yeah i bought the modem so I shoudl be give the user name and password [04:30] or better yet, tell them you have a linksys wrt54gl router, and you'd like the bridge mode removed [04:30] since it interferes with port forwarding [04:31] (and perhaps gently press the static ip thing, see if they'd be willing to charge 5 a month or something, I mean, just to feel them out, see why they removed that ability) [04:31] yeah I had a feeling there would be more hurdles with this, I don't understand why anyone would want something set up like this? [04:32] AT&T does it, Verizon does it, name a provider and I'd bet they do it [04:32] but why? [04:32] simplicty, some now ship it as a full wireless router too [04:33] who sets that up, if you or I do not [04:33] doesn't seem simple since its just a modem seems overly complex [04:33] I'd put money on geek squad or the ISP [04:33] yeah, but why are you in it, and who else would do what your doing? [04:33] well I will sadly call them tomorrow thanks cyberanger i'm heading for bed [04:34] like you said cyberanger xbox [04:34] and it's potentally a revenue source [04:34] :) [04:34] and linksys router [04:34] talk to you tomorrow thanks again [04:34] (since it has no wifi built in, do metion that) [04:34] ok, night wrst [05:16] http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/171285/parting-linux-and-mono [05:16] interesting [05:33] Another reason to stick with linux as I don't like webapps [13:15] mr. twayneprice could you give me some wisdom from your great brain please? :) [13:17] I'm trying out irccloud.com as a replacement to quassel. I really like the idea of it being web based. [13:18] that's interesting twayneprice I may need to give that a try [13:18] especially with my recent internet troubles [13:19] Yea, that is what was prompting me to look into it. [13:20] that looks pretty cool twayneprice [13:20] I've want to see if it monitors the network while I'm not logged in, though. [13:20] This is a test. [13:21] looks like it does :) [13:21] Cool. It did. [13:21] that is nice [13:21] seems like the whole world of everythign is eventually going to run in a browser anyway [13:21] It looks like it will eventually be a paid subscription, thought. [13:22] Yup. [13:22] I was noticing that also [13:22] but still is a cool looking deal [13:22] I like everything running in a browser. [13:22] but would appear most people using irc are going to be peolpe wanting everything for free :) [13:24] Yea, I'm not really sure that could charge for it. They should just throw a google ad up on the right side of the page. [13:24] yeah that doesn't bother me at all :) [13:26] wrst_work: tab auto complete even works. [13:26] twayneprice: quick twin lakes question for you, the modem they set up is a little more than a modem evidently it assigns a local IP address to my router, instead of the external IP address, and port forwarding of course doesn't work, you have any ideas or do I need to call them *again* ? :) [13:27] twayneprice: it looks a lot like the java freenode webclient that is out there on steroids [13:28] ugh! Do they use ppoe? [13:28] twayneprice: I don't know what they use as they have the routers default password changed [13:29] Hmmm. Do they allow you to use your own modem? [13:29] yes they do, and actually I'm supposed to own that modem or atleast I bought it but they have everything locked down [13:29] I thought about just doing a reset on it, but I have no clue on the setup [13:30] Ah. I would try to call them and get the login info. Not just for the modem but the ppoe. [13:30] I just fear that may be a difficulty again, nothign seems easy with those guys [13:31] You are probably right. [13:31] but I mean if people use xbox live they need port forwarding [13:32] yup. [13:33] * wrst_work prepares for another day on the line with twin lakes telephone :\ [13:35] twayneprice: do all dsl providers use pppoe? [13:36] I think that is how most of them do. That allows you to just add your own equipment without calling them. With the cable modems, I have to call them and give them the mac address of any new modem I buy. [13:37] ok i suspect they will do it some how different :) [13:38] It could be worse. You could have the modem mounted at the top of the pole, Green Acres style. :) [13:38] I guess so [13:38] they will be getting their daily 8 AM call from me [13:38] http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/images/e102.jpg [13:42] twayneprice: that's about how I have felt this week :) [13:44] o/ [13:44] hello vychune [13:44] how you doing [13:45] good vychune how are you? [13:45] good [13:45] need a job [13:45] ohh, what do you do vychune? [13:46] not much im only 19 [13:46] you are in memphis? [13:46] surely there's stuff to do there, but with the way things are... [13:46] yeah [13:49] what do you do [13:50] vychune: more or less an accountant work for a small company so get to lots of stuff [13:51] which I like my day doesn't get too boring that way :) [13:51] cool [14:00] twayneprice: wish me luck! or better yet may really need prayer on this one... I'm calling them again :) [14:07] twayneprice: that was some more phone call [14:08] wrst_work: Did you get it straightened out? [14:08] wrst_work ? you work? [14:08] twayneprice: what do you think? ;) they are going to have someone call me :\ [14:09] Xpistos LOL! [14:10] wrst_work: Did you sigh real loud when they told you that? Sometimes that help. :) [14:11] ha ha well I didn't mean to twayneprice, but I may have just as a reflex action :) [14:12] I've had to really monitor my attitude this week its been a good test, they seem to try they can't help it that they don't know what is going on [14:13] You didn't recently pray for more patience, did you? :) [14:13] NO twayneprice certainly not! [14:14] Hmmm. Must be Satan then. :) [14:15] yes [14:21] twayneprice: you might be interested in this: http://www.proclaimonline.com/ [14:27] That does look interesting. [14:31] I thought you might like that [14:31] There are certainly a lot of options in that area. [14:32] yes I like the cloud aspect and don't like the cloud aspect of that [14:36] I dont have net access at church. I really wouldn't want to depend on the net for service anyway. They probably download the set to a local pc. [14:36] I would guess so, yeah I'm not too keen on total dependence on the net access [14:36] netritious: good morning, and you need to renew your loco membership ;) [14:37] wrst: good morning, yes was here to ask about it lol [14:37] netritious: I think I can take care of that for you [14:37] do I just click join again or can you un-expire me wrst [14:37] ah cool...that would be awesome [14:38] I don't know netritious going to check and see [14:39] netritious: you should now be back at ait [14:39] *it [14:40] awesome ty wrst [14:40] how's everyone? [14:40] no problem I was afraid you had forasaken us ;) [14:41] I'm good netritious everything still busy out west? [14:41] yes too busy, but busy is good [14:41] softball season is over :-/ [14:42] is that good or bad? [14:42] sad to see it go every year since it's like the only time I ever go outside lol [14:42] minus mowing the yard [14:43] ha ha maybe a fall league is in order? :) [14:44] heh nah is for my daughter..think she is done when the season is over lol [14:44] * cyberanger invites netritious to the ocoee river for some rafting, to the cumberland platu for some rock climbing, or to the nearest ice rink for ice hockey (not sure what that last one has to do with outside, but sounds fun to me) [14:45] * netritious accepts all invites which allow me to sit on my arse lol [14:45] netritious: or just play more music the music you play gives you a work out [14:46] man you aren't kidding...sore form last night [14:46] *from [14:47] ha ha [14:47] and even though I haven't been hanging out here still doing stuff with ubuntu [14:47] I also stalk the IRC logs from time to time to get the jist of what I miss [14:48] netritious: well just good to know you still stalk us :\ [14:48] hehe [14:49] netritious: you still dabbling with ubuntu server? [14:49] right now working on using ubuntu as a router and VM host...little soho deal for demos [14:50] also (FINALLY) worked out netboot and automated installs from my local ubuntu repo [14:50] so yeah wrst_work, still working with ubuntu server...LTS anyway [14:50] hardy and lucid [14:51] let's just say netbooting has changed my life [14:52] yes I wouldn't think working with non-lts on a server that matters really would make sense [14:52] the netbooting sounds cool maybe you can teach us all sometime ;) [14:53] true, but I've met a few people that use ubuntu server and just upgrade every version np...I haven't been as lucky with upgrades [14:53] it's VERY easy [14:53] sudo apt-get install dnsmasq [14:53] has everything you need [14:54] dhcp server, dns forwarder, and tftp server [14:54] tons of info on google, but the comments in the conf file is best [14:55] sudo apt-get install apache2 (you don't need a lamp stack for netbooting) [14:55] or lighthttpd [14:56] netritious: netbooting from your repo, it was the udeb files that tripped it, wasn't it [14:56] grab a netboot.tar.gz file from ubuntu's repos..getting link [14:57] that was part of it cyberanger but really I just had to append the debian-installer dir in the official repos to make it work [14:57] give me a quick sec to boot "ole-faithful" over here [14:57] I prefer the full dhcp server (isc-dhcp aka dhcp3-server) and bind9 personally, didn't know dnsmasq was also a tftp server though, cool) [14:58] cool netritious [14:58] you can use that too, but it is much more complicated that dnsmasq [14:58] *than [14:58] just saying for local netboot installs dnsmasq is handy [14:58] and netritious I accidently updated to 11.04 server, i try to keep one release behind but when I updated to 10.10, i upadted my system the next day and didn't pay any attention and boom i had 11.04 but its working well but I don't do anything complicated either [14:59] I've setup both (aside from tftp) and it seems to be the same, but dnsmasq has it's perks, no doubt [14:59] nice wrst [14:59] well netritious not nice, but nice that it worked :D [14:59] and bind9 is easier to setup slaves, lan zones [14:59] haha true [14:59] ^wrst [15:00] which is why I did that (slave opennic zones, build my zone) [15:00] cyberanger: oh certainly, but if you have a dedicated machine or a dedicated VM then dnsmasq is light... [15:00] oh, and wrst_work you've setup dnsmasq wether you know it or not, via dd-wrt [15:01] for a full blown DC I would use dhcp3-server and bind9 [15:01] yep ... any linux/unix based router distro uses dnsmasq [15:02] yeah, lighter for sure (idk by how much, since I cannot recall dnsmasq doing more than forwarding, well, it has simplistic config, but idk if one could build a zone with it as simplisticly, or for that matter, slave one) [15:02] and with lighthttpd, perfect size [15:02] vs apache [15:02] you can't...it's more like a lightweight workgroup enabler [15:03] rather,,, [15:03] cyberanger: yep [15:03] i've seen that :) [15:03] dnsmasq can't do slave zones [15:03] at least, it's just meant to be forwarding [15:03] but has built in tftp and dhcp too [15:05] hi ubuntulol_ [15:05] yeah, which isn't quite my style, but it's still a cache, so it does work, dhcp is there too, one config (however in some ways, that's also a curse, when I've plugged mine in temporally to subsutite a router outage, I can take a config file and just write it) [15:05] ubuntulo1_ is a mute, it sees and logs, but apprecates the hello [15:06] heh [15:06] I'm still suprised about the tftp server (I was so sure that was a seperate daemon when I messed with dd-wrt) [15:07] netritious: got the kernel set to route traffic, and the IP Masquerading setup? [15:07] yep [15:07] it's ugly and I don't like it though [15:08] (the worst thing I ran into was ppp setup, which you don't need, and I rarely use) [15:08] and I need a special config for what I'm trying to do and hitting a few road bumps, but I'll figure it out...i almost always do [15:08] ugly how? [15:08] eh just the instructions I followed they do work [15:08] ubuntu's been my router for a year now (maybe more come to think of it) [15:09] did they tell you to echo 1 > /proc/something_slipping_my_mind_atm [15:09] but I don't like how some of the procedures are implemented [15:09] or edit a config for every boot [15:09] nah...let me get the link [15:09] it's at help.ubuntu.com [15:10] (reason I ask is there seems to be 100 different ways people have done it) [15:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router [15:10] yes, I noticed that cyberanger...why I used the ubuntu help lol [15:11] I always try to see if thee is a doc at ubuntu *somewhere* before asking google [15:11] oh, yeah, that likely makes it a bad one (I didn't like how ubuntu's docs were stale on the matter, tried it and some wordpress and blogger methods, really liked one in perticular) [15:12] I do both, I've noticed for enough things, esp. things that are niche to most of the community, still worth looking [15:12] well I am all ears, unfortuantely have my daughter here today just back last night from week long vacation with grandma and grandpa, so will be in and out....she is on her computer atm though lol [15:12] sorta fact check each against the other [15:12] http://blogger.ziesemer.com/2008/10/ubuntu-linux-router-upgrade-project.html [15:12] *unfortunate that I can't spend more time hanging out [15:13] not unfortunate my daughter is here:D [15:13] 9/10ths of that isn't what your doing, but 1/10th maybe what you need [15:13] cool [15:14] and I cannot recall how he did the iptables bit, I'd edit /etc/network/interfaces and add a line to lo [15:14] ty cyberanger [15:14] ifpreup iptables-restore > /etc/iptables.rules [15:14] and use iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules to generate [15:15] netritious: no problem, his method was extremely close to what I started with (haven't deviated too much from it that I'm aware of) [15:15] closest to what I needed (not alltel but virgin mobile and t-mobile dual setup) [15:16] and cleanest at that time, used on lucid and natty fine (think he used hardy, which you also have) [15:16] oh cyberanger i talked with you a little bit about my modem... I have yet another call in... [15:17] maybe it helps netritious, if it doesn't lemme know another time in better detail, maybe I've come across it [15:18] (I fetched all the udebs, did seem to fix things on a netinst, but still felt like there was an easier way, thank you for finding it) [15:18] wrst_work: how'd that go? [15:19] cyberanger: TBD waiting on a call [15:19] oh, them to call you? [15:19] cyberanger: TBD waiting on a call [15:19] yes I called them and the guy I talked with well didn't know much so hopefully will get it fixed today [15:20] um, reading that, sounds like google + nod, ok, we'll see what we can do *jots some notes* [15:21] cyberanger: only problem if they use pppoe i don't know the user name and password and the guy on the phone really didn't seem to know so I will wait and see :) [15:21] but atleast I can see that I'm online at home, hello wrst! [15:22] cyberanger: are you using debmirror? [15:22] I'm hoping for you, but it really feels like poor practice to me, not following what seems to be standard for any other company [15:22] to create and maintain your mirror? [15:22] netritious: yes, still am (tweaked version of your script) [15:23] in your section= .... [15:23] cyberanger: these are good guys there, but yeah... not exactly at the top of the tech world but the 10/1 speed is pretty nice downloaded a 565MB file in about 8 minutes [15:24] for each section add
/debian-installer, [15:25] * cyberanger does this now, waits to enable it for when I'm clocked out [15:26] cyberanger: so if you have section=main,restricted you would change to section=main,main/debian-installer,restricted,restricted/debian-installer [15:26] netritious: thanks a bunch, much simplier than debmirror & rsync udebs only, merge (I did notice most if not all were in a subsection like that, just didn't see that answer from that I guess, glad you did) [15:27] does that work on the anl mirror too [15:28] I bet it does, the way their syncing [15:31] wrst_work: I still dunno why they didn't leave your settings alone [15:31] cyberanger: I'm beyond that :) [15:31] I don't know why they do lots of things :D [15:32] sure they had to tweak some, but come on, they set you back to new customer [15:32] cyberanger: I'm pretty sure they are trying to get everyone to dhcp for the simplicity in the setup [15:32] I tried to and was willing to pay for the static IP out of convenience but they could never get it set up [15:34] not sure what that simplifies (except the how-to scripts they maybe reading from, or at least something like that) [15:35] enough of my setup needs a static setup, why I grabbed a vps (and will be again this month) [15:35] bbiab [16:23] twayneprice: they were about to send someone out on my issue with the modem, I don't think the guy understood but is going to have the dsl department contact me [16:23] wrst_work: fun, fun, fun [16:23] ha ha yes twayneprice lots of it now they want to set me up a static IP! [16:25] wrst_work: I bet their static IP accounts get the router that passes the public through and their dynamic IP accounts use the router that does nat. [16:26] I'm guessing you are right twayneprice, I'm still a little bumfuzzled by the whole deal I don't think I'm asking fo anything too far out there I was just gonig to use dyndns that you suggested yesterday and live happily ever after :) [16:28] no, like you said, anyone with a xbox will have the same problem. [16:30] but they will likely sell them one of their modem/wireless router combo deals [16:30] I sorta know what they are up to and I like tinkering with my router :) [16:33] yup [16:36] woot [16:36] twayneprice: they got it fixed somehow :) [16:36] may my power never ever go off :) [16:37] wrst: Cool!! Static IP or passing a dynamic through? [16:37] passing the dynamic through, now to get everything else set up, at least I have learned something twayneprice :) [16:38] That'll work. Now you just have to set up the dyndns. [16:38] yes I may have to bask in this glory for a moment first :D [16:39] Is that angels singing that I hear? :) [16:39] ha ha [16:39] I see the light [16:40] The rapture will probably happen any moment now and you won't get to use it. :) [16:44] wrst: ???? No reply? Aw crap, I missed it. :) [16:55] ha ha twayneprice [16:55] its on october 21 I've got a few months twayneprice :P [16:57] I guess, since we missed the one back in May. :) [17:04] twayneprice: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1333920945.png [17:04] I was really wanting him to say december 2012 at least he would have had company [17:04] Smokin!! [17:19] I'm guessing they're clueless, but that fixes your issues [17:19] (sounds like they're giving you a dhcp ip, and that static, unnecessary) [17:20] yeah I'm still dhcp cyberanger but I can access things now [17:20] sorry, late send [17:20] twayneprice: its nice to be in the 21st century now [17:20] cyberanger: that's ok we expect :P [17:21] yes, the 21st centery, where irc is (still) cool ;-) [17:28] google homepage is cool today.. you can play the guitar! [17:29] and you can record your own song :-) [18:04] Les Paul would have been 96 today [21:20] Interesting. I just watched this a couple of months ago: http://www.hulu.com/watch/91100/les-paul---chasing-sound [21:37] twayneprice: i'm giving that a little watch as I have time cool stuff [22:52] pace_t_zulu: you around? [23:27] cyberanger: got all my issues fixed don't know if i told you or not [23:28] wrst: that's great, wish I did [23:51] what's wrong cyberanger? [23:51] wrst: you know me, always a project being worked out [23:52] ahh well likely problems of your own doing? :) [23:52] no, well, unlikely [23:58] oh ok those aren't fun