[00:10] <astraljava> Excellent. With the latest flashplugin, it no longer is detected as an audio source, and it now still even prevents other audio sources from playing. Life is grand.
[14:02] <scott-work> good mornring
[14:02] <scott-work> er, morning even
[14:21] <scott-work> ailo_:  one thing i realized about my current headings and outline is that it is a logical process, i.e. it start with explaining what ubuntu studio is, goes through installation, and then the usage
[14:21] <scott-work> i suppose this is the evolution of transition from inexperienced, ignorant non-user to experienced, knowledgable user
[14:35] <ailo_> scott-work, I feel you may be putting too much focus on details concerning the front page at the moment. I'm still not sure about the categories, until I start having an understanding of what material is needed, and how it needs to be organized
[14:35] <ailo_> I guess I'm starting from ground up a little
[14:35] <ailo_> But, I will also be interested in the top level categorization, once I get a feel for the material
[14:36] <ailo_> I just can't have any sound opinions on it yet
[14:42] <scott-work> ailo_: i probably am focusing too much on the front end, i suppose that's my top-down approach to things, i really like having a plan
[14:43] <scott-work> ailo_: logistical question for you then:   how are you going to develop your understanding of the material?  are you just going to surf around the wiki, are you going to make notes on paper for yourself, or even just start making wiki pages?
[14:43] <scott-work> my concern is that last portion of the question; if you are making wiki pages it would be nice to have a place to put them
[14:43] <ailo_> I think both approaches are right. Starting from the top means you need to adjust the top once you get to the bottom. Starting from the bottom means you need to adjust the bottom once you get to the top.
[14:44] <ailo_> I will gather all my info in my own documents to begin with. Maybe on google docs?
[14:44] <scott-work> that's a really good idea!
[14:44] <scott-work> i am probably being way to concerned about making random wiki pages and then abandoning them
[14:44] <ailo_> I wills start with those topics I know we need and just start gathering material
[14:45] <scott-work> i really like structure and organization, if you can't tell :P
[14:45] <scott-work> ailo_: sounds like a good plan
[14:45] <scott-work> hi quadrispro 
[14:45] <scott-work> any luck on the mudita24 package yet? :P
[14:46] <scott-work> ailo_:  in a one sentence answer, what do you think the function of -controls should be?
[14:46] <scott-work> at least for the first revision
[14:46] <scott-work> hi falktx 
[14:46] <falktx> hey
[14:47] <ailo_> scott-work, I would like it to administer realtime privilege for users and I would also like to include the system check on startup script. Anything on top of that is extra right now
[14:48] <scott-work> quadrispro: the reason i'm bugging you about it is because i was hoping to get mudita24 into oneiric for release
[16:07] <astraljava> scott-work: I'll look into it during the weekend (together with the testing documentation) if Alessio is too busy.
[16:29] <scott-work> astraljava: the mudita24 package?  are you involved with the debian multimedia team?  you do packaging?
[17:25] <scott-work> astraljava: i ask for several reasons, firstly i didn't know that you package applications :)
[17:26] <scott-work> astraljava: but also because i was hoping to get this through the debian multimedia team because we have a good chance of getting this done before the cycle is up
[17:26] <scott-work> which is in contrast to REVU which does not always seem to move with alacrity, especially with niche applications
[17:27]  * scott-work admits that his perception and reality are not necessarily at unity
[18:21] <falktx> scott-work: there are quite some packages today too
[18:21] <falktx> svn/git packages now
[18:55] <holstein> scott-work: say when you want my mumble creds to test
[19:11] <scott-work> falktx:  do you mean packages that you are working on?  or the ones in REVU?  or debian multimedia?
[19:12] <falktx> scott-work: the ppa ones
[21:26] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah I've rolled a few, but not that many here, mostly professionally.
[21:27] <astraljava> scott-work: Not in any way associated with debian multimedia, but I would assume Alessio could sponsor that package.
[22:26] <rlameiro> scott-work: ping
[22:42] <scott-work_> rlameiro: pong
[22:42] <scott-work_> that's interesting astraljava, i didn't know you had done any packaging before
[22:43] <rlameiro> scott-work: I was thinking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[22:43] <scott-work_> and i do expect that it would alleviate some load from alessio and he would be quite happy to look into sponserring
[22:43] <rlameiro> maybe I could try to make an intro PDF
[22:43] <rlameiro> like a starting document
[22:43] <scott-work_> rlameiro: i have to apologzie for monopolizing your page and doing that outline in there, it really is almost more for docuemtnation that videos
[22:44] <rlameiro> scott-work_: I do love it
[22:44] <scott-work_> rlameiro: anything would be better than what we have
[22:44] <rlameiro> because it is really what is needed
[22:44] <rlameiro> in our effort to document stuff
[22:44] <rlameiro> the videos should be a complement not the end
[22:44] <scott-work> absolutely!
[22:44] <scott-work> rlameiro: here is my vision of this...
[22:44] <rlameiro> what should i use to do that?
[22:44] <rlameiro> scribus?
[22:45] <scott-work> oh
[22:45] <scott-work> scribus probably would be a good choice
[22:45] <rlameiro> scott-work: please state your vision
[22:45] <scott-work> i've never used scribus before though, although i have read about it a bit
[22:45] <scott-work> my vision
[22:46] <rlameiro> scott-work: maybe I will outsource it to the Libregraphics folks :D
[22:46] <scott-work> the help.ubuntu.com would be mainly a wiki with words mainly and some screenshots, although it might link to a few videos, but it would pretty much follow the outline in the link you posted
[22:47] <scott-work> the wiki could be independent of anything else and quite nicely help users learning about U/S and learn to use it
[22:47] <scott-work> the website would be less wordy but contain fair more videos (embedded youtube videos)
[22:47] <rlameiro> humm, so, the help.ubuntu.com will be used like a "first time users" page.
[22:48] <rlameiro> and then when advanced stuff goes to wiki
[22:48] <scott-work> well, not completely...people who want to move into qtractor might look there also even though they know how to use jack and ardour
[22:48] <scott-work> the wiki would also have workflows and links to the videos as well
[22:48] <rlameiro> humm
[22:48] <scott-work> but i view the website and a way to pull people into U/S
[22:49] <rlameiro> ok
[22:49] <scott-work> but also a quick guide via the videos to help people 
[22:49] <rlameiro> How much space do we have on DVD to grow?
[22:49] <scott-work> the wiki would be more of documentaiton intended to help people
[22:49] <scott-work> rlameiro: i believe the current image is around 1.6 or 1.7 gigs
[22:50] <rlameiro> what do you thing on KDE Libs...
[22:50] <scott-work> i guess to simplify my thoughts:  the wiki would be the long version of the documentation with thext and the website would be the short version with video
[22:50] <rlameiro> I know its a big stretch...
[22:50] <scott-work> rlameiro: i think KDE libs are very helpful for people using KDE applicatiosn :P
[22:50] <scott-work> which ones are you interesting in?
[22:50] <rlameiro> scott-work: i got your idea. Stream line first impression, and give oportunity to learn more afterwards
[22:50] <scott-work> you might be surprised that we already ship some
[22:51] <rlameiro> we ship qt ones
[22:51] <rlameiro> I was thinking on KDEnlive
[22:51] <scott-work> we ship kde also though and i'm not sure wwhere they are coming from ufnortunatly
[22:51] <scott-work> rlameiro: do you prefer it over openshot?
[22:51] <scott-work> openshot is quite functional currently
[22:52] <scott-work> look here are search for "KDE": http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/oneiric/daily-20110609.log
[22:52] <rlameiro> yes i know, but Kdenlive is much more near professional editors
[22:52] <rlameiro> and not everybody wants or can do it in blender
[22:53] <rlameiro> it was just a thought tough
[22:53] <scott-work> hehe, you knew i would say something about blender, huh ;)
[22:53] <scott-work> it's not a bad thought at all...i tell you what, during this cycle i will play with kdenlive more and give it a good shake
[22:54] <scott-work> i have need to make some short form videos this cycle and i'll use kdenlive
[22:54] <scott-work> i need to add it to my list of things to do and probably need to reprioritize a few items
[22:54] <rlameiro> that is our problem
[22:55] <rlameiro> we lack people on video and graphics workflows...
[22:55] <rlameiro> as you stated on the lo interview
[22:55] <rlameiro> ....
[22:55] <scott-work> rlameiro: it would be interesting to update the seeds and see how much more it pulls in as well, even if we don't use it, just to get a baseline of how things could change
[22:55] <rlameiro> audio isnt a problem for our current team
[22:55] <scott-work> rlameiro: i'm going to hit fab up because he said he would help somemore, i'll guide him through it
[22:55] <scott-work> and i'll do some blogging and maybe send a few other emails out and around
[22:55] <scott-work> i've got fedore design suite to play with also and see what they offer
[22:56] <scott-work> and i'll probably ask the libre graphics people again
[22:56] <rlameiro> Maybe hit the guy that makes TWIL
[22:56] <scott-work> but i'll only ask about what tasks they routinely do
[22:56] <scott-work> rlameiro: good idea
[22:56] <rlameiro> do you know ?
[22:56] <rlameiro> he does a lot of video
[22:56] <rlameiro> maybe it could be nice :D
[22:56] <scott-work> i don't know him but i'm not afraid to ask him :)
[22:56] <rlameiro> I will try to hit him
[22:56] <rlameiro> nice
[22:57] <rlameiro> 2 better than one
[22:57] <scott-work> i need to go and pick kids up...see you in about 1.5 hours as ScottL
[22:57] <rlameiro> and having the project leader hit him could mean a lot :D
[22:57] <scott-work> true :)
[22:57] <rlameiro> cya :D
[22:57] <scott-work> maybe we can get everyone to email him..that will really make an impact :P
[22:57] <rlameiro> lol
[22:57] <rlameiro> good idea
[22:57] <scott-work> bye