[00:03] DBO: What was the missing feature of Xorg that made doing proximity-menus difficult? [00:04] you cant track the cursor without polling it [00:05] So, if I said that you could register to get raw pointer events and if you're an Xi 2.1 client you'd always get them delivered regardless of the grab state, would that qualify? [00:07] I'm wondering because that's something we could cherry-pick back to 1.10 for oneiric if you were interested. [00:20] RAOF, color me interested [00:21] oh nice [00:22] DBO: Sweet. I'll ping you when it's in oneiric, then. [00:27] DBO: oh hai [00:27] oh hai [00:27] sometimes I want to stab our code [01:25] who can tell me how to write a Unity lense in Python? [01:46] Hi, anyone around? [01:46] I'm having a problem. I distribute an application. Actually a Java application. The application also provides a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/. Directly after installing the .deb package, the Dash can find the application, but if I start it, only a gray box with question mark and title "win0" appears in the launcher. Pinning that is not possible and also vanishes if you restart unity. This b [01:46] ehaviour exists until Unity is restarted. From then on all behaves well. Is there any trigger call I have to make in my postinst script to make this work properly immediately after installation? === Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [08:04] good morning [08:08] greetings everyone [09:11] JohnLea: around? [09:11] didrocks; hyia [09:12] JohnLea: some questions on unity quicklists, we need some guidelines for capitalization [09:12] JohnLea: some quicklist have all words capitalized, others not [09:12] JohnLea: what do you advise? [09:12] Create a New Document [09:12] or [09:12] Create a new document [09:13] didrocks; First letter of each line capitalized, names all capitalized. e.g. "Create a new document" and "Open Office" are both correct [09:14] JohnLea: thanks for the guideline, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Static Quicklist entries with this quickly please? [09:17] "Keep in launcher" not "Keep In Launcher" [09:21] andyrock: what is it in English right now? [09:22] (it's "Conserver dans le lanceur" in french) [09:22] didrocks, i use English in natty right now... so yes === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:23] andyrock: heh, so not coherent, should be fixed, but taking care to not break all translations [09:24] * didrocks needs to import the launchpad translations upstream [09:26] didrocks, should we open a bug about this? [09:27] andyrock: yes please, just ensure to emphasize that we should take care of translations in the description :) [09:28] didrocks, ayatana-design, unity, unity (ubuntu) right' [09:28] ? [09:28] andyrock: I would say no need for ayatana-design [09:29] JohnLea: we have "Keep In Launcher", should be "Keep in launcher", right? [09:29] didrocks, andyrock; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI updated with answer to the capitalisation question in the faq, I also added a brief section detailing 'quicklist elements' [09:30] JohnLea: you rock! [09:30] andyrock: so that answers, just open unity/unity (ubuntu) [09:31] didrocks, i got it [09:39] didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/795422 [09:39] Ubuntu bug 795422 in unity (Ubuntu) "Quicklist item "Keep In Launcher" should be "Keep in launcher" as design" [Undecided,New] [09:39] didrocks, i don't know if it is fine [09:39] andyrock: perfect, I triaged it :) thanks! [09:40] didrocks, thx you :) [10:02] DBO, are you here? [10:13] could someone please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~sargentd/indicator-network/libnotify-bd/+merge/64126? the previous upload is broken :> [10:35] didrocks, thanks! and yes, unreleased "we" use too, that one was a mistake :) [10:36] Zhenech: yeah, I was surprized by a DD :-) [10:37] Zhenech: nice if you are there, also the branch isn't the right one, (debcheckout indicates the right one [10:37] Zhenech: but no worry, I'm pushing your change to the right places (in ubuntu-desktop, we tend to use debian/ only branch) [10:38] hum 0.3.8-0ubuntu2 is missing in this branch as well [10:39] that's the one i checked out with lp:ubuntu/package as I do always :) [10:40] Zhenech: yeah, but desktop branches are in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/package/ubuntu :) [10:40] Zhenech: debcheckout should checkout you the right branch [10:40] even on a debian machine? ;) [10:40] I agree it's confusing, sorry about that [10:40] Zhenech: not sure, it's quite fun sometimes as it tries to take the git repo ;) [10:41] heh, will try at some point [10:41] no worry, I'm fixing the "history" :-) [10:45] great, thanks [11:18] njpatel, your dev-ayatana email rocks! [11:28] andyrock, heh, thanks :) === andyrock is now known as andyrock|launch === andyrock|launch is now known as andyrock|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === andyrock|lunch is now known as andyrock === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow| === MacSlow| is now known as MacSlow === Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq [13:17] Kaleo: agateau: we are famous on the Qt bug: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/10/type-punning-and-strict-aliasing/ :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow [14:19] didrocks: rock! [14:28] andyrock, just got your email [14:28] excellent debugging [14:28] I very much agree with yoru conclusion [14:29] your solution is also agreeable with me so long as you comment as to why it is done that way [14:30] DBO, graet! launcher.cpp is very hard to understand (but this is right) [14:31] DBO, ok... i'm working on another bug right now! i will do it as soon as possible :) === zyga is now known as zyga-food === zyga-food is now known as zyga === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk === Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk [16:22] DBO, done [16:22] andyrock, excellent === MacSlow|afk is now known as MacSlow === Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq [16:37] jcastro, hi [16:37] jcastro, about the unity contributors meetings [16:40] jcastro, where will be held? [17:05] njpatel, i am working on launcher device settings for reproposing this (https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/launcher-devices-improvement/+merge/54100) [17:06] i have to follow the google c++ code style? [17:21] andyrock, ideally, if it's a new chunk of code, yes. If it's just fixes in existing code, then it's probably good to keep to the existing style [17:21] * njpatel needs to run astyle over the codebase at some point [17:22] njpatel, ok... i will use old style ;) [17:22] :) [17:22] njpatel, what about stl data type? [17:27] andyrock, yeah, use C++ data types if you can [17:28] andyrock, also look at GLibWrapper* [17:28] it's kind of interesting :) [17:28] njpatel, indeed === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [18:18] Is there Python support to write lenses? [18:18] jo-erlend, yes [18:18] davidcalle, any links? [18:21] have a look at lp:unity-books-lens or lp:unity-place-sample for a simple python lenses and lp:askubuntu-lens for a more complex one. [18:21] jo-erlend^ [18:21] lens* [18:22] jo-erlend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses [18:27] jo-erlend, lp:unity-books-lens is my personal mess, but some comments in it might be useful. === daker is now known as daker_ [18:48] great. Thanks :) [19:24] tedg: re the appindicator signals, are you waiting for me to update my branch or are you doing it directly? I'm not exactly certain what conclusion we got to ;) [19:26] cyphermox, I think using open/close makes more sense. What do you think? [19:27] i'm fine with either solution [19:27] does appindicator already expose open/close? [19:27] (also, I notice now that the fallbacks don't seem to work properly with my code) [19:27] cyphermox, No, it'd be basically the same code, except you'd respond to the custom event siganl. [19:27] cyphermox, We'd need to figure out how to get those signals in the fallback case as well. [19:28] Hmm, they shouldn't have broken... [19:28] huh, you mean catch the open/close from dbusmenu and send it through appindicator, and add the return value stuff? [19:28] cyphermox, No, with open and close there is no return. They're just a reflection of state. [19:28] ok [19:29] cyphermox, So then we could resynthize the fallback by looking at whether the menu is displayed or not. [19:29] Thinking about the fallback I think open/close makes even more sense. [19:29] what I'm worried about is that setting a new menu when I get an open signal will replace the menu but not leave it in open state (or visible on the screen, if you will) [19:29] yeah [19:30] It should. We replace all kinds of items pretty regularly on the messaging menu for instance. [19:30] statusicon stuff in nm-applet uses show/hide [19:30] It would be best if you didn't do a full replacement, but it's not the end of the world either way there. [19:30] I can't easily figure out what to replace... unless you have specific ideas for that? [19:31] (I mean, to not replace the whole menu, just parts of it) [19:31] Eh, okay. It'd have to be designed that way in the application. [19:31] yeah [19:32] ok, so I'll update the code in my branch and test it some more [19:33] kenvandine: ping [19:33] kenvandine: gbrainy: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/gbrainy/disable-gnome/+merge/64232 [19:34] cyphermox, pong [19:34] cool [19:34] cyphermox, did you build it in pbuilder? [19:34] seems okay, for instance it now doesn't build with art-sharp [19:34] yes, do you want logs? [19:34] my box is a bit overloaded atm [19:34] nah [19:35] oh wait a sec [19:35] i'll do a quick review, and hope it builds in the archive [19:35] ok [19:35] I think my pbuilder wasn't as up to date as it should have been [19:35] well it'll update itself [19:35] just has to download more packages [19:36] oh, right, it would have failed otherwise === zyga is now known as zyga-food [20:50] dear god please tell me there is a way to get rid of this Unity abomination [20:52] Guess not.. [20:52] thanks anyway === Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk === Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq [22:31] om === zyga-food is now known as zyga [23:21] http://river-valley.tv/quick-and-dirty-usability-leveraging-google-suggest-to-instantly-know-your-users/ --> might be useful for usability research ☺ === Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk [23:57] hi [23:57] Does anyone know how can I launch an application twice from the sidebar? === Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq