[01:27] <SK{Laptop}> so are the repos broken?
[01:27] <SK{Laptop}> i get 404s when i dist-upgrade
[01:57] <darren_> is there any news on what is causing wireless networking problems?
[03:55] <pfifo> when I try to shut down my system in vbox, it hangs and refuses to power down if i click X, and reset does nothing.
[03:58] <IdleOne> My computer shutdown for no apparent reason and when I turned it back on all I get is a black screen after grub screen. What can I do?
[09:21] <KNUBBIG> who got the idea to make the image larger than 700mb :(
[11:52] <BajK> will kpackagekit be available for oneiric in the repositories as well?
[11:52] <BajK> or is there Muon only?
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> is it safe to update atm? :)
[12:16] <BajK> ah ok the great KPackagekit is available for Oneiric :) *removing muon*
[12:34] <yofel> BajK: what's so bad about muon?
[12:34] <BajK> its user interface is annoying and constantly changes
[12:35] <BajK> and since policykit is broken it gets even more annoying
[12:35] <yofel> talk to JontheEchidna
[12:35] <BajK> since it asks for password EVERY SINGLE package you install
[12:35] <BajK> and if you installed a package, it reverts back to the overview menu
[12:36] <BajK> and you have to type in your searach again
[12:36] <BajK> so I know what I will do when Oneiric is out :) Uninstall Muon and install KPackagekit (which is also available froms ystemsettings)
[12:58] <geser> Ian_Corne: as safe as it could be between two alphas
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> just wondering if anyone else upgrade today :)
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> I know I shoudln't
[13:00] <Ian_Corne> but i wanna keep with it :(
[13:08] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/JKyaH.png yeah i updated it today (minimal gnome installation )
[13:08] <zniavre> ooops link is too many
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Good morning, BluesKaj
[14:05]  * BluesKaj wonders why oneric istill on kde 4.6.3 , my other pc just upgraded to 4.6.4 on natty .. I have the kubuntu backports in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:06] <BluesKaj> hi charlie-tca , and a good morning to you too :)
[14:06] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:06] <charlie-tca> maybe backports is not yet enabled for oneiric?
[14:07]  * charlie-tca thinks backports doesn't work until there is a release version to backport to
[14:08] <BluesKaj> they're 404ing alright ...I thought I'd complain sincw oneric is supposed to be running kde 4.7
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, probly not til the RC is released , next week I believe
[14:09] <charlie-tca> They just finalized the specs for Kubuntu, maybe today or tomorrow it will change
[14:13] <yofel> charlie-tca, BluesKaj: we're not bothering with 4.6.4 on O, we'll rather start with 4.7
[14:14] <yofel> wich is delayed since KDE made a mess out of the beta1 release...
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yofel, right , any idea when ?
[14:15] <yofel> well, I'll start with kdelibs today, but the KDE release team hasn't given a new date for beta2 yet
[14:15] <yofel> you could try neon if you can't wait
[14:16] <BluesKaj> no wonder nobody has been able to find the beta2 , that was scheduled to release on Wed.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> no thanks , I had a look at neon , I'll wait for the backports
[14:17] <BluesKaj> thanks for the info yofel :)
[14:17] <yofel> np :)
[17:22] <HydroAssassin> Hello Everyone I recently updated pango from source and now my X fails to load due to a libpango1.0-cario error before it finally fully crashed X all my fonts were  [][][][]. Anyone have any idea? Tried a bunch of things ppl had put on ubuntu and backtracks forums to no sucess. http://www.pastebin.com/d0Jwpj0e#
[17:22] <ikonia> HydroAssassin: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[17:24] <HydroAssassin> 10.04.2 - lucid
[17:24] <ikonia> HydroAssassin: really ?
[17:25] <HydroAssassin> yes
[17:25] <ikonia> HydroAssassin: this channel is for ubuntu 11.11 discussion not ubuntu 10.04 and in #backtrack-linux you said you where running backtrack not ubuntu,
[17:25] <ikonia> either way, this isn't the correct channel
[17:25] <HydroAssassin> yes ive tried the ubuntu and backtrack ir channels to no help.. same as fourms thats wh i figured id try here.
[17:26] <ikonia> HydroAssassin: ok but keep in mind this channel is for ubuntu 11.11 only, and not backtrack or other ubuntu's
[17:26] <rww> 11.10
[17:27] <ikonia> sorry 11.10
[17:27] <ikonia> thank you rww
[17:27] <HydroAssassin> My bad, do you know of any other irc channels by hand that could possibly help?
[17:27] <rww> Backtrack support goes in #backtrack-linux. Everyone who wants to support Backtrack Linux sits in here. That's how IRC works :|
[17:28] <rww> there **
[17:28] <HydroAssassin> thats what i figured... always have trouble with other distros... =\ prob going back to gentoo so much easier lol well thanks for your help.
[17:28] <rww> Maybe you should switch to a distro with a support channel that actually works.
[17:29] <rww> Dunno about Gentoo, but random Ubuntu derivatives do not tend to have that, which is one benefit of Ubuntu.
[17:29] <rww> or, you know, Debian, but I'm a heretic like that.
[18:26] <Ian_Corne> << back on 11.10
[18:26] <Ian_Corne> I'm ashamed
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, why ashamed?
[18:31] <Ian_Corne> because I shouldn't
[18:32] <Ian_Corne> this is my laptop I'm writing my thesis on :p
[18:32] <IdleOne> I suggest you back up that work like NOW
[18:32] <charlie-tca> hehe
[18:34]  * genii-around sips and thinks about some saying involving alpha software and production machines
[18:34] <rww> indeed
[18:36]  * charlie-tca thought about that too, before installing oneiric on his machine he needs to use
[18:36] <charlie-tca> and then I did it anyway. What a fun machine it is now :-)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, yes back up asap . my son almost lost his on windows , he was using encryption app thast became corrupted and he couldn't rescue the data with in windows but he rescued by copying it using the ubuntu livecd
[18:41] <BluesKaj> he's publishing this fall
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> hehe, i'm using version control so all is fine :)
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> And for that reason I'm not using encryption on my entire home
[18:50] <Ian_Corne> I'll make a encfs if i need something encryted
[18:52] <IdleOne> is it normal that I get NO login screen, have to kill X and then run startx and it boots directly to what appears to be Gnome UI?
[18:52] <IdleOne> I am guessing this has to do with lightDM
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> is it normal alot of icons are missing?
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> I'm using unity 2D
[18:54] <Ian_Corne> als the normal one just doesn't do anything for me atm
[19:03]  * BluesKaj feels for those running gnome or unity
[19:06] <rww> I should probably upgrade Kubuntu to 11.10 and see how it's doing
[19:33] <trism> IdleOne: possibly, after you kill X, instead of startx, try: sudo service lightdm start; and check out /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log for errors if it fails to start
[19:41] <rww> IdleOne: startx doesn't invoke a login screen ever, btw
[19:42] <rww> perhaps s/ever/normally/. I'm sure someone will think of a counter-example otherwise ;)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> sudo service gdm start ?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> or kdm
[19:50] <BluesKaj> kde seems very stable on "O" so far
[19:54] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I had some issues with dist-upgrade today between 4.6.3 version and 4.6.4 , but eventually resolved it.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> genii-around, did you manage to upgrade to 4.6.4 ?
[19:58] <IdleOne> trism: I will give it a shot next reboot. rww: hmm did not know that.
[19:58] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Eventually :) It complained at first about kdelibs mismatch, used --force-depends, then a few other libs, etc. Had to manually install them from /var/cache/apt/archives
[19:58] <Ampelbein> hmm, is anyone else experiencing problems with network connectivity on oneiric? In random intervals my wired connection gets unresponsive and I have to restart networking to get it going again.
[19:59] <genii-around> BluesKaj: There's still not yet an Oneiric section in the kubuntu ppa, so I'm still using the Natty one
[20:01] <BluesKaj> genii-around, ok thanks...think I'll wait for the 4.7 ppa ...going to 4.6.4 seems too complicated :)
[20:17] <dsdale> is there any news concerning wireless network management?
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> is unity 2d supposed to be running metacity
[20:56]  * charlie-tca is a state of constant confusion about 2d & 3d and window managers now
[21:05]  * Ian_Corne same
[21:12]  * guntbert is *in* such a state :)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Ooops