[02:51] <mhall119> cjohnston: congrats on the test
[02:51] <cjohnston> ty sir
[02:51] <mhall119> also congrats on status.u.c
[02:51] <cjohnston> :-)
[02:58] <nhandler> cjohnston: You passed?
[02:58] <cjohnston> yup
[03:00] <pleia2> congrats cjohnston :)
[03:00] <pleia2> celebratory drinking?
[03:00] <cjohnston> no... comitting
[03:00] <cjohnston> :-(
[03:00] <paultag> cjohnston: woo! Now land that promo! :)
[03:00] <cjohnston> October paultag
[03:00] <paultag> cjohnston: good man
[03:00] <cjohnston> well.. oct is the next tet
[03:00] <cjohnston> test
[03:01] <paultag> aye
[04:04] <nhandler> Congratulations cjohnston ! (sorry for the delay, missed the activity notification)
[04:07] <cjohnston> tis all good.. thanks nhandler !
[08:16] <dpm> good morning all
[08:21] <nigelb> hello dpm :)
[08:24] <nigelb> Today started off badly.
[08:24] <nigelb> I hit my head while walking to work :/
[08:24] <nigelb> On a street sign.
[08:27] <dpm> hi nigelb, ouch! :/
[08:28] <nigelb> dpm: Better wake up than coffee :)
[08:28] <dpm> yeah, and you get to rearrange traffic as well ;)
[08:30] <nigelb> heh, it was a small residential street, so not many people noticed really :D
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:41] <nigelb> hello dholbach :)
[08:42] <kim0> morning folks
[08:42] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hey kim0
[08:43] <nigelb> good morning kim0 :)
[08:45] <kim0> the heat is out of the bag today
[08:46] <kim0> a lovely 40C
[08:46] <dholbach> oh wow
[08:53] <nigelb> heh, wow is the word I'd use :p
[08:59] <dholbach> humhum, why is there 4 different documents to work on the next UWN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter?
[09:00] <dholbach> I guess updating the Wiki is the preferred way of adding content?
[09:14] <dpm> hey dholbach and kim0
[09:14] <dholbach> hola dpm
[09:14] <dholbach> ¿qué tal?
[09:15] <dpm> bien, bien ;)
[09:43] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:48] <dholbach> nigelb, I have an action item that says "talk to Nigel and Brian about removing the patch flag of attachments instead of tagging as patch-needswork"
[09:48] <dholbach> nigelb, what do you think?
[10:32] <nigelb> dholbach: hey, (sorry was away for lunch)
[10:32] <nigelb> dholbach: I'd defer to Brian. The patch-needswork was orginally proposed by him I think.
[10:51] <dholbach> nigelb, ok, no worries
[10:51] <nigelb> dholbach: personally, I don't mind. I don't know if many people actually would look at patches that need fixing and help with that.
[11:01] <nigelb> dholbach: Also, I'm planning on running an ftbfs jam somewhere post June 20th.  Working with Brian Thompson to get it running :)
[11:01] <dholbach> great
[11:14] <dholbach> nigelb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/ :-D
[11:15] <nigelb> dholbach: yay. /me starts recruiting :)
[11:15] <dholbach> I'll set up the Facebook event for it
[11:19] <nigelb> hehe, its one the week of my birthday :D
[11:26] <dholbach> haha, nice :)
[12:38] <jussi> Are there any CC members about?
[12:38] <jussi> dholbach: popey pleia2?
[12:39] <Pendulum> jussi: popey seems to be active in -uk so probably :)
[12:39] <jussi> ok, its not urgent in anycase
[12:39] <dholbach> jussi, yes
[12:39] <popey> o/
[12:40] <jussi> all good :)
[13:43] <nigelb> popey: ping?
[13:54] <popey> nigelb: pong
[14:35] <nigelb> popey: can I PM you?
[14:40] <paultag> cjohnston: good hot damn, make all the edits at once :)
[14:40] <paultag> cjohnston: I love spam as much as the next guy, but man oh man :)
[14:40] <cjohnston> to what, the BP?
[14:40] <paultag> cjohnston: yeah, we all get emails every edit
[14:40] <cjohnston> One I had to confirm was done.. then I misspelled it
[14:40] <paultag> cjohnston: do them them all in one shot, please :)
[14:40] <cjohnston> hehe
[14:41]  * cjohnston sarcasticly points to the *NEW* link that I made on launchpad showing "Update Subscription"   ;-)
[14:42] <paultag> cjohnston: i care about it, I just don't want 30 emails about it
[14:42] <popey> nigelb: yes, anytime
[14:42] <cjohnston> paultag: almost all bug email that you get from LP, I have now touched
[14:42] <cjohnston> paultag: I was moreso referring to the fact that 'Unsubscribe' is now 'Update Subscription'.. I just noticed that that change of mine landed
[14:42] <paultag> ah, cool.
[14:43] <mhall119> paultag: just do what I do
[14:43]  * cjohnston points paultag to /j #ubuntu-website
[14:43] <mhall119> make a mail filter: if sender is cjohnston -> Junk
[14:43] <paultag> mhall119: +1 :)
[14:43] <cjohnston> thats why you dont respond to my emails..
[14:44] <cjohnston> I was shocked when the one that said I had $1000 for you didnt get a response
[14:44] <paultag> cjohnston: I'll join it after I kill off some work I have pending
[14:44] <mhall119> I pretty much don't respond to any emails these days
[14:52] <jcastro> heh
[14:52] <jcastro> email = hate it
[14:52] <jono> email sucks
[14:53] <cjohnston> jcastro: it would be really cool if the work items link in the topic was updated ;-)
[14:53] <jcastro> ooh, good idea.
[14:55] <cjohnston> ;-)
[15:18] <jcastro> Technoviking: aha!
[15:18] <jcastro> more evidence!
[15:18] <jcastro> "I went to the Ubuntu Forums, and I found plenty of guidance there on unpacking TAR files and working in Terminal to install the contents, but much of the information seems to be outdated, and none of it seemed to help me."
[15:18] <jcastro> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229975/day_9_testing_out_some_twitter_tools.html
[15:18] <jcastro> DELETION TIME!
[15:19] <paultag> hey, jcastro, pleia2: did you get any calls to check me out?
[15:19] <jcastro> I've gotten nothing
[15:19] <jcastro> but calls from your drug dealer
[15:20] <jcastro> (note I made that last part up)
[15:20] <paultag> yeah, he's pretty persistant
[15:20] <paultag> erm, yes. me too. I made that up too.
[15:20] <vish> (channel logs not admissible in court!) ;p
[15:21] <Pendulum> paultag: I thought you weren't supposed to check people out in professional settings ;-)
[15:21] <paultag> Pendulum: heheh
[15:38] <mhall119> it wasn't a progessional setting, it was on Facebook
[15:39] <paultag> mhall119: did you know that @ fb they have a room called the "make out room"
[15:39] <paultag> it's for what it sounds like
[15:40] <mhall119> do they have camera in it that take your picture, identify you by facial recognition, and post the scandal on your wall?
[15:40] <nigelb> paultag: so that's what they do in the interview?
[15:40] <vish> paultag: heh, everything is moving to the cloud ;p
[15:40] <mhall119> nigelb: it was a *very* in depth interview
[15:40] <paultag> mhall119: hehehe
[15:40] <paultag> nigelb: duh
[15:40] <paultag> vish: :)
[15:40] <nigelb> mhall119++ :)
[15:40] <paultag> mhall119: hahahahah
[15:41] <mhall119> they told paultag "You got lots of positive reviews, and you should probably have your tonsels removed"
[15:41] <nigelb> dholbach: who maintains the ubuntungo and ubuntupackaging blogs?
[15:41] <nigelb> mhall119: hahaha
[15:41] <dholbach> nigelb, ubuntungo: people in #ubuntu-ngo
[15:42] <paultag> mhall119: :P
[15:42] <dholbach> http://ubuntupackaging.wordpress.com/ → http://ubuntupackaging.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/we-are-moving/
[15:42] <nigelb> dholbach: Can I remove it off the planet then?
[15:42] <dholbach> yes
[15:43] <nigelb> dholbach: thanks :)
[15:43] <dholbach> thank YOU
[15:44] <nigelb> :-)
[16:11] <dpm> hey popey, AlanBell, do you think someone from the UK team could test the new en-gb language packs in natty-proposed and leave some feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA ? They fix a bunch of "Rubbish Bin" vs. "Wastebaske" inconsistencies, and it would be great to release them after testing and close some long outstanding bugs
[16:11] <dpm> more info on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-June/004819.html
[16:12] <popey> sure
[16:12] <popey> want me to forward that to the UK loco list?
[16:15] <popey> done
[16:18] <dpm> popey, cool, thanks
[16:19] <dpm> it'd be great if some of the UK people doing translations could subscribe to ubuntu-translators@, since they seem quite disconnected from announcements
[16:20] <popey> sure
[16:20] <popey> i just looked on mine and it's called "Bin" and I have "Empty bin" ☺
[16:20] <popey> shame it's still called Wastebasket in nautilus
[16:21] <paultag> damn you translators :)
[16:28] <mhall119> am I alone in not caring about/using the trash these days?
[16:33] <paultag> mhall119: shift + del when you delete stuff
[16:33] <paultag> I just use the CLI to do most of my work, so I don't even use that that often
[16:33] <paultag> I hate mice
[16:41] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - have a great weekend everyone!
[16:42] <mhall119> paultag: yeah, I shift+del most things
[16:42] <mhall119> especially when I'm deleting to make room
[16:42] <paultag> dholbach: you too, pal
[16:42] <paultag> mhall119: yar
[16:43] <paultag> mhall119: or removable media
[16:43] <mhall119> have a good weekend dholbach
[16:43] <mhall119> paultag: yeah, that too
[16:43] <dholbach> thanks :)
[16:49] <JanC> paultag: if you install 'trash-cli' you can "rm" to the trash from the CLI if you want...  ;)
[16:50] <paultag> JanC: meh :)
[16:52] <JanC> paultag: it's fd.o-compliant and all  ;)
[16:52] <paultag> JanC: :)
[16:56] <JanC> I guess it could be useful for scripts or such...
[16:58] <paultag> JanC: oh for sure. I'm sure it's the perfect rm replacement for some, hell, even most, people.
[16:58] <paultag> JanC: I just know when I `rm' something, I mean it :)
[16:58] <paultag> I don't need a masked mv :)
[16:59] <nhandler> And if you delete a file you didn't mean to, that is what backups are for
[16:59] <paultag> nhandler: truth!
[16:59] <paultag> I keep backups in triplacate, if not more
[17:03] <JanC> it does a lot more than "mv" of course (like, recording where it was originally)
[17:04] <pleia2> jussi: from task:  7             add past CC logs to wiki
[17:04] <pleia2> ;)
[17:04] <JanC> nhandler: in general I don't have backups of all my music/video files (well, I have the original CD/DVD...)
[17:05]  * pleia2 was traveling a lot last month, just catching up on todo list this week
[17:11]  * JanC secretly installs 'libtrash' on paultag's computer
[17:11] <paultag> JanC: :)
[17:12] <paultag> JanC: does that do what I think it does?
[17:12] <paultag> because if it does, that's bloody brilliant
[17:12] <JanC> it's for use with LD_PRELOAD  ;)
[17:12] <paultag> that's brilliant, what a great idea
[17:12] <JanC> so I guess it does what you think
[17:12] <paultag> then you can just preload it against an app and it thinks it's rm'ing
[17:13] <paultag> what a great library idea
[17:13] <JanC> well, until your disk is full, I guess  :P
[17:14] <paultag> JanC: humm, good point
[17:14] <JanC> hopefully the empty trash mechanism is excluded  :P
[17:14] <paultag> :)
[17:32] <popey> uhm
[17:32] <popey> in unity what do you do when the unity bar wont appear
[17:33] <popey> it only appears if i switch to anothr desktop
[17:36] <popey> bah!
[17:36] <popey> :D
[17:39] <czajkowski> popey: I click on the BFB
[17:39] <czajkowski> and then it launches
[17:39] <czajkowski> as it's really slow on the unity 2d and doesnt launch sometimes
[18:01] <nigelb> AlanBell++
[18:02]  * nigelb hugs AlanBell :)
[18:03] <paultag> P.S. I know i've been grumpy and AFK lots lately, so: I love you all so very muchly. Keep on keeping on!
[18:03]  * Pendulum hugs paultag 
[18:03]  * paultag hugs Pendulum 
[18:04]  * nigelb hugs paultag too
[18:04]  * Pendulum hugs nigelb 
[18:04]  * paultag hugs nigelb 
[18:04] <nigelb> Group hug!
[18:04]  * nhandler feels left out
[18:05] <Pendulum> dholbach will be sad to have missed it
[18:05]  * paultag hugs nhandler 
[18:05]  * Pendulum hugs nhandler 
[18:05] <nhandler> :)
[18:05]  * nigelb hugs nhandler
[18:05] <nigelb> Pendulum: Totally :)
[18:06] <nigelb> Everytime there's a group hug, I remember http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jzGIaZcGcM
[18:06] <nigelb> Best video from UDSs apart from the one were jcastro and jono sing "Every night in my dreams"
[18:07] <jono> hehe
[18:09]  * AlanBell missed a hug!
[18:09]  * pleia2 hugs AlanBell 
[18:09]  * AlanBell hugs everyone
[18:11] <nigelb> jcastro: At some point we need to figure out how much of the uds.ubuntu.com and summit.ubuntu.com headers we want to merge without making joey cry :)
[18:11]  * Pendulum hugs al
[18:11]  * Pendulum hugs jono 
[18:11]  * Pendulum hugs AlanBell 
[18:11] <Pendulum> (without tabfail this time ;-) )
[18:11] <nigelb> haha
[18:12] <nigelb> Pendulum: By saying Al, you get to hug popey and AlanBell :)
[18:12]  * Pendulum hugs popey :)
[18:12] <Pendulum> (so he doesn't feel left out)
[18:12] <nigelb> haha
[18:12] <Pendulum> hey, I now have an excuse for pretty much any motor fail, brain fail, or other fail I do for the next few months :P
[18:13] <nigelb> About a year or so down the line, I want to read the logs of this channel and smile :)
[18:13] <Pendulum> :)
[18:13] <Pendulum> go look at the logs from June 10, 2010 now then?
[18:14]  * jono hugs Pendulum
[18:17] <nigelb> pleia2: reading the logs from June 10, 2010 reminds me, shouldn't we be doing a UUD soonish?
[18:18]  * nigelb shifts conversation to better channel.
[18:19] <nigelb> AlanBell: I liked that the LP team explained how to fix the bug for mailing lists.  I'm wondering if I should pitch in.
[18:25] <AlanBell> yup
[18:25] <AlanBell> um, bit confused about paultag saying not to discuss on the list without suggesting an alternative venue
[18:26] <AlanBell> well actually not quite true, #launchpad was kind of suggested
[18:34]  * AlanBell hugs Pendulum carefully
[18:40] <Pendulum> AlanBell: hugs don't hurt! just don't twist my neck while giving me one :P
[19:18] <paultag> AlanBell: I don't like rabble
[19:20] <cjohnston> paultag: jcastro has owed me a beer for like 6 months... hehe
[19:20] <paultag> :)
[19:22] <AlanBell> yeah, well it went nowhere, Marcus has given up on the idea
[19:24] <AlanBell> I still don't see why that list isn't the right place for people who are loco contacts to discuss doing an improvement to launchpad to the way it handles loco team mailing lists
[19:25] <cjohnston> the same reason that the survey thing lasted too long.. once it was identified who was interested, it should have stopped spamming me
[19:25] <cjohnston> i dont need 20 emails on a feature that im not interested in and cant unsubscribe from without either unsubscribing from the list or creating a rule for that specific thread
[19:27] <AlanBell> isn't that just the nature of mailing lists though?
[19:27] <nhandler> The list purpose has also somewhat changed over the years. It used to mainly be used as a way to pass information to all loco contacts who would then relay it to their respective teams. Now, it is being used a lot more as a general community list
[19:27] <AlanBell> I am on a *lot* of mailing lists where I am only interested in a small percentage of threads
[19:27] <cjohnston> but lp development isnt relevant to loco contacts
[19:29] <AlanBell> well no, not in general, but this was specifically about an enhancement to the team page for an issue that specifically affects LoCo teams with non-launchpad mailing lists
[19:31] <cjohnston> well. theres a couple issues with that.. LP doesnt understand the concept of a loco team.. its a regular team just like anything else.. so again, i think that the LP mailing list or channel would be a more correct place for the conversation.
[19:33] <AlanBell> yeah, maybe, but the discussion went from "lets do it" to "ah screw it, can't be bothered"#
[19:48] <czajkowski> i leave my mail for almost 2 hrs and all hell breaks lose
[19:48]  * czajkowski eyes the channel up
[19:54] <AlanBell> for small values of all hell
[19:55] <czajkowski> i like a neat inbox
[19:55] <czajkowski> I appreciate I am a bit odd about this
[19:57] <cjohnston> czajkowski: if you follow LD stuff, then you have a  quite full mailbox
[19:58] <czajkowski> i know
[19:58] <czajkowski> cjohnston: add freenode stuff as well and job hunting
[19:58] <czajkowski> my inbox is over flowing
[19:59] <czajkowski> hmm more thunder in london followed by lots of loud sirons
[20:00] <cjohnston> tornado?
[20:00] <AlanBell> I have 35633 messages in my inbox and it hasn't started overflowing yet
[20:00] <cjohnston> clearly AlanBell doesnt subscribe to Zero Inbox or whatever its called
[20:01] <czajkowski> cjohnston: they dont get them here
[20:01] <czajkowski> just rain
[20:01] <AlanBell> no, I used to use Lotus Notes and never got into the habit of folders, searching was just instant
[20:01] <cjohnston> when we get sirens, well, not in orlando, but the us, thats tornados
[20:01] <jcastro> lotus notes, harbringer of doom and despair
[20:02] <AlanBell> I now divert some mailing lists to folders and have threaded views there, but that is generally for lists I don't read much
[20:02] <AlanBell> jcastro: the oldest nosql database
[20:12] <mhall119> paultag: I'm getting one of those new Nooks, so you'll have to tell me what fun stuff I can do with it
[20:26] <JanC> mailing lists go straight to their own folder for me, no way I can ever read them all  ;)
[21:54] <jcastro> Technoviking: heh, I see the usual suspects don't like the changes to the forums
[22:21] <mhall119> what? someone complaining about change?  well I never..
[22:22] <paultag> mhall119: hell yeah!
[22:22] <paultag> mhall119: Well, I'm working on a few things to help allow me to do some useful things
[22:23] <mhall119> cool, I guess I'll have to brush up on my C if i want to do much programming for it, huh?
[22:23] <paultag> mhall119: it's android, therefore, "Java" :)
[22:24] <paultag> it looks like java, tastes like java, but it's not called Java
[22:24] <paultag> and all my Java code compiles on 'droid, just has some extra stuff on top
[22:24] <paultag> few missing libs too, but no problem
[22:25] <mhall119> android?
[22:25] <paultag> mhall119: Nooks run Android
[22:25] <mhall119> I didn't know that
[22:25] <mhall119> I knew it was Linux, but thought they had their own thing
[22:25] <paultag> that's why I got it, I knew it'd be a snap to root
[22:25] <paultag> mhall119: nope :)
[22:25] <mhall119> even more awesome!
[22:25] <pleia2> kindles have their own thing
[22:25] <paultag> just facelifted Android
[22:25] <paultag> pleia2: aye
[22:26] <mhall119> guess I'll have to brush up on my Java then
[22:26] <paultag> mhall119: if you want to help me, I have a few cool ideas
[22:26] <paultag> mhall119: I just can't do GUIs, so if you learn how to snap together a GUI we could kill off some stuff
[22:26]  * mhall119 likes cool ideas
[22:26] <paultag> I could write all of the backing libs in a few hours
[22:26] <mhall119> it's a deal
[22:27] <mhall119> assuming their GUI toolkit is sane
[22:27] <pleia2> paultag: no: re calls (unless they called and didn't leave a voicemail, I couldn't answer the phone most of the week, talking on phones is hard without the ability to talk)
[22:27] <pleia2> but I can mostly talk now :D
[22:27] <mhall119> given that it's B&W e-ink, I'm assuming it's gui toolkit is non-standard
[22:27] <paultag> mhall119: it's abstracted sane
[22:27] <paultag> pleia2: thanks!!! I was just wondering :)
[22:27] <paultag> mhall119: I want to have it talk with a server daemon (let anyone run anything) that will track remote repos with a smart server to watch for cool things. The nook could make a nice review platform, as well as a smart assist unit for a computer
[22:28] <mhall119> paultag: hmmm, I sense launchpadlib coming to the nook...
[22:28] <paultag> mhall119: I asked if there was a java based lplib, turns out there's a fairly complete one
[22:28] <mhall119> cool
[22:29] <paultag> mhall119: so I was thinking two apps, one for code review, and the second for helping you get stuff done on Linux -- stuff like basic volume, music and so on, and then write plugins to control the second half, to pull up API docs that matter to what you're doing with some basic plugins
[22:29] <paultag> mhall119: so that when you stop on a line of code, you can look down to see it's signature (or whatever else)
[22:29] <mhall119> I like it
[22:29] <paultag> mhall119: lots of work, but the first will be much easier :)
[22:30] <mhall119> yeah
[22:30] <head_victim> paultag: time for a quick pm?
[22:30] <paultag> head_victim: always
[22:30] <paultag> mhall119: so if you want to prototype some UI code when you have free time, I can hack up some libs when I have some free time :)
[22:30] <paultag> mhall119: I think you'll be more into it once you have a rooted nook so no rush
[22:30] <head_victim> paultag: thanks, as always :)
[22:31] <mhall119> yeah, it's ordered, just waiting for it to arrive
[22:31] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[22:31] <mhall119> happy Father's day from my lovely wife
[22:31] <paultag> mhall119: they're so brilliant
[22:32] <paultag> mhall119: it takes a lot for me to like a bit of tech, but I love that. It's so nice. It's just well done
[22:32] <mhall119> yeah, we saw one at a store the other day, that's what prompted this
[22:32] <paultag> mhall119: the screen stays on it's current "image" when the battery is offline, so it uses almost no battery at all
[22:32] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[22:32] <mhall119> I'm excited, even though $300 is a good bit of coin
[22:32] <paultag> mhall119: whoh whoh, what?
[22:32] <paultag> mhall119: did you get a nook color?
[22:33] <mhall119> no, B&W, but my wife is an avid reader, so we couldn't exactly buy just one
[22:33] <paultag> mhall119: Nook STRs (with eInk) are $120
[22:33] <paultag> Hahahahahaha
[22:33] <paultag> mhall119: brilliant :)
[22:33] <mhall119> there wouold have been fights
[22:33] <paultag> hehehe
[22:33] <mhall119> it would have been ugly
[22:33] <mhall119> especially when I started rooting it
[22:33] <paultag> truth
[22:34] <paultag> mhall119: rooting is a snap nowadays
[22:34] <paultag> it's been documented really well since that night
[22:34] <paultag> and someone's rolled out stuff so you don't even have to dump and re-roll
[22:37] <mhall119> where's the fun  in that?
[22:38] <paultag> mhall119: :)