[00:07] <hcfd_> Quick question: I'm using 10.04 LTS and I usually only update manually. I am considering updating about 70+ packages using Update Manger. It wants to download new kernels. If I let it, will it change my grub settings? Will the old kernels remain?
[00:08] <Azelphur> haha, an updateophobe :p
[00:08] <Azelphur> hcfd_: iirc, your old kernels stay installed and you can select them from grub
[00:08] <BigRedS> hcfd_: it'll change the default kernel
[00:08] <Azelphur> so it'll be modifying your grub menu, and keeping the old kernels
[00:08] <BigRedS> so if you reboot it'll automatically boot into the new one
[00:09] <BigRedS> but you'll be able to select the curent on if you prefer
[00:09] <BigRedS> it'll remake the grub list with the scripts in /etc/grub.d
[00:09] <hcfd_> Thanks guys. Yeah I rarely reboot but when I do I hold left shift to get the menu and pick the kernel I want.
[00:56] <hcfd_> Anyone here using Rhythmote plugin for Rhythmbox?
[05:33] <ging> has there been an ubuntu update which might cause ssh to stop asking me if i would like to add rsa keys to known hosts files? because mine has and i've not changed any setting which should have made it do that i dont think
[08:16] <kaushal> Hi
[08:17] <kaushal> is there a easy way to split 200GB of file size into multiple files of 5 GB each
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: yes, using the "split" command :)
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: "man split" for the manual (how to set chunk size, etc.)
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: split -b 5G input_file output_file_prefix
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> and you'll get output_file_prefix.1, .2, etc.
[08:35] <andres_kain> good morining!
[08:36] <andres_kain> *morning
[08:37] <andres_kain> Do any of you use the ubuntu-UK email list mode with evolution?
[08:38] <andres_kain> for some reason I have some removed from the list
[08:43] <BigRedS> no, but evolution shouldn't affect how the list works
[08:43] <BigRedS> just how the mail is shown
[08:43] <andres_kain> Thanks!
[08:44] <andres_kain> I have to go to the google web mail to see the whole thing
[08:44] <andres_kain> Today out of 10 topics I can only read the last 2
[08:44] <andres_kain> Could it be an over restrictive spam filter?
[08:44] <BigRedS> hang on
[08:45] <BigRedS> you're subscribed using a google mail account, which you read in evolution
[08:45] <BigRedS> ?
[08:45] <andres_kain> yes
[08:45] <BigRedS> When you read it in evolution several of the mails you can see when you read it in a web browser are missing?
[08:45] <andres_kain> other way around
[08:45] <andres_kain> gmail let's me see everyghint but not in a nice way just bulk
[08:46] <DJones> andres_kain: Are the emails going to your junk mail folder? I find that happens now & again with googlemail & thunderbird
[08:46] <andres_kain> evolution only shows some. but it shows it in sub emails
[08:47] <andres_kain> just checked evolution trash and spam. nothing there
[08:48] <andres_kain> by the way thanks for helping me out. but I might run out without warning cause my daughter might wake up. I hope you don't think
[08:49]  * BigRedS tries to avoid thinking in general, anyway :)
[08:49] <BigRedS> Is there any pattern to the mail you're not receiving, that you can see?
[08:50] <andres_kain> not that I know. it's not restricted to email names because sometimes even mine are blocked I think.
[08:52] <BigRedS> hmmm I'm not sure, then
[08:54] <andres_kain> e.g. ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 22 I can see topic 1 2 and 5 but not the rest
[08:55] <andres_kain> ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 23 I can see 9 and 10
[08:56] <andres_kain> ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 21 I can see topic 7 and 8
[08:58] <DJones> Do people not have better things to do than make a freedom of information request for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> DJones: hahaha :)
[08:59] <andres_kain> OK gotta go. Thank you for the chat!
[09:10] <marcushaslam> morning
[09:21] <andres_kain> good morning. False alarm
[09:25] <daubers> Morning
[09:37] <oimon> hello, does the alternate installer allow me to de-select gnome/unity from the install?
[09:38] <hoover> morning all
[09:38] <oimon> answered my owns question "To install a base system, boot from any Alternate CD and choose "Install a command-line system.""
[09:43] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:45] <oimon> DJones: even worse, somebody then wrote a news article about it...and then we read it and RT'd it
[09:46] <DJones> oimon: Thats true, I've already seen it being tweeted
[09:46] <oimon> most read story on bbc news today
[09:51] <DJones> I suppose the question could be asked, what do you do when you see so many silly/scare questions & should you be concerned, the answer would be not if you're wearing your tinfoil hat
[10:03] <BigRedS> Hm. Just had a customer complain we didn't tell him we were going to get his server back up after it fell over...
[10:05] <czajkowski> BigRedS: so he would have prefered if you had left it alone ?
[10:06] <DJones> BigRedS: Isn't that what they pay a maintenance contract for?
[10:11] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[10:13] <BigRedS> czajkowski: yeah, I did wonder about phoning him for permission before
[10:13] <BigRedS> next time
[10:15] <andres_kain> \afk
[10:18] <popey> Morning all
[10:19] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:20] <daubers> o/
[10:27] <dogmatic69> im running php code sniffer and its moaning about \r\n in a file, but i cant find it. any ways to check this?
[10:27] <dogmatic69> doing a regex search in netbeans for \r\n shows nothing, \n shows all the new lines though
[10:28] <BigRedS> I suspect netbeans is converting the \r\n to \n for display?
[10:28] <ali1234> use a real editor
[10:28] <dogmatic69> :S
[10:28]  * dogmatic69 cant use vim
[10:28] <BigRedS> Try sed or maybe just vi or somesuch
[10:29] <BigRedS> Though vim is funny with linebreaks, too
[10:29] <dogmatic69> nano?
[10:29] <dogmatic69> im ok with that
[10:29] <BigRedS> perhaps
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> fromdos/todos :)
[10:29] <BigRedS> I'm sure last tiem I tried to use one of those it didn't exist :(
[10:30] <BigRedS> you could just sed a replacement and assume you have no intentional \r\ns
[10:30] <dogmatic69>  1 | ERROR | End of line character is invalid; expected "\n" but found "\r\n" file in question https://raw.github.com/infinitas/infinitas/beta-coding-standards/core/categories/controllers/categories_controller.php
[10:31] <dogmatic69> nano does not have anything
[10:34] <BigRedS> http://pastebin.com/0FGVCMMH
[10:34] <BigRedS> I've no idea if that's useful/accurate or not
[10:35] <BigRedS> hah. no
[10:35] <BigRedS> it's just matched 'rn'
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: fromdos file
[10:36] <ali1234> there is no \r in that file as downloaded from github
[10:36] <ali1234> wait, my bad
[10:36] <ali1234> there's loads
[10:36] <dogmatic69> code sniffer is saying line one
[10:36] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:37] <dogmatic69> ive deleted everything around there and re-typed it
[10:37] <ali1234> dogmatic69: it's every single line in that file
[10:37] <dogmatic69> aw
[10:37] <ali1234> cat categories_controller.php | hexdump -C | grep ' 0d '
[10:37] <ali1234> enjoy fixing them lol
[10:38] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Ach. That involves wgetting somewhere I have root...
[10:46] <dogmatic69> sed s/\r// did something
[10:47] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/697266043
[10:47] <dogmatic69> what is ^M
[10:49] <BigRedS> carriage return
[10:50] <dogmatic69> :(
[10:50] <BigRedS> I think it's a \r but I'm not sure
[10:50] <dogmatic69> so sed is no good at replacing then?
[10:51] <dogmatic69> ha
[10:51] <dogmatic69> got it
[10:51] <dogmatic69> sed s/\r// file.php > file.php
[10:51] <BigRedS> nah, sed is good at replacing. You just need to work out what it calls what you need to replace :)
[10:51] <dogmatic69> rewrote the file, done
[10:52] <dogmatic69> thanks for the help all :)
[10:54] <oimon> apparently lots of people in thesouth east complaining that O2 network is down
[10:55] <DJones> Probably due to the drought
[10:55] <oimon> badumching
[10:55] <oimon> that would be h20 though :P
[11:01] <jsp8> DJones: Ha love your link - of course no public money would have to be spent if the zombies understand the concept of "Big Society"...
[11:03] <oimon> i dunno, most flesh-eating zombies I know are just in it for themselves
[11:04] <jsp8> and most flesh-eating politicians aren't...
[11:06] <DJones> I though zombies were just in it for the brains
[11:08] <jsp8> Now if we could just get them to eat cucumbers, end of problem!
[11:11] <oimon> i think the cucumbers are ok
[11:23] <daubers> Another day, another data disclaimer form emailed to a customer
[11:23] <oimon> just reading an interview with RMS ...seems he always says exactly the same thing.
[11:32] <DJones> And I bet thats "No, I'm not having a shave" :)
[11:44] <TheAshMan> Hi all, is it possible to use /etc/passwd in HTTP Authentication for Apache2?
[11:45] <BigRedS> yeah
[11:45] <BigRedS> can't remember the exact name, but it's something like mod_authpam
[11:45] <TheAshMan> is it a good idea?
[11:45] <BigRedS> er
[11:45] <TheAshMan> lo
[11:45] <TheAshMan> l
[11:45] <BigRedS> it can be
[11:47] <davmor2> morning a;;
[11:47] <davmor2> all even
[11:47]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski 
[11:48] <peimankh> hello, I've just installed ubuntu and all is well but the hp laserjet 1010 printer is giving me lots of trouble.
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> peimankh: how is it connected to the PC? USB, network, something else?
[11:48] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: USB
[11:49] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: to a dell computer
[11:49]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[11:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: welcome back ;)
[11:49] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: it is very slow and then just stops working
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> peimankh: When you plugged it in, an information bubble should have popped up saying it was installing the printer
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ah so it does some things, that's a good start :)
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> however, I don't have a Laserjet 1010 to try here, and I haven't really debugged USB printer problems before, sorry
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> !printer
[11:50] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: I uninstalled the drivers altogether and added the printer manually trying different drivers. It fixed the slowness but then the printer stops working after a few hours or so
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> peimankh: does it show an error?
[11:50] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: nothing comes up when I plug it in
[11:51] <peimankh> lubotu3: thanks, I'm having a look now
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> peimankh: it only happens the first time
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> peimankh: some of those links are VERY out of date (sepecially the second one)
[11:52] <peimankh> lubotu3: I have no such prejudices :-)
[11:53] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: I see, the thing is I've installed and uninstalled the drivers so many times that I've lost count.
[11:54] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: The last time I tried I chose a printer from the drivers list (after uninstalling completely the drivers) and it was working perfectly. But a few hours later it just stopped
[11:55] <peimankh> MartijnVdS: the connection is there and the printer flashes as if it's about to print.
[12:04] <czajkowski> lots of loud bangs of thunder
[12:04] <czajkowski> scarey
[12:04] <daubers> \o/
[12:04] <oimon> it's peeing down here
[12:04]  * daubers loves thunder and lightning
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: they're great for photos :)
[12:05] <czajkowski> aye lashing here
[12:05] <oimon> i have a great view across london
[12:05] <daubers> shame my only means of transport at the moment is the motorbike... so please keep it over there, not over here :)
[12:05] <oimon> now that they cleaned my windows
[12:05] <oimon> it's moving due east
[12:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're being lashed?  I think that not family friendly info :P
[12:09] <czajkowski> it's an expression
[12:09] <czajkowski> take your mind out of the gutter
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: do these count http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1680&bih=907&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=tiger+cubs&oq=tiger+cubs&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=371l371l0l1l1l0l0l0l0l337l337l3-1
[12:27] <oimon> hmm ubuntu CLI install seems to take longer than full ubuntu installer
[12:29] <davmor2> oimon: You mean the alternat install takes longer than the live cd install?
[12:29] <oimon> yes, not only that but i'm trying to install just a CLI system (similar to ubuntu-server install but not the same)
[12:31] <davmor2> oimon: so just install Ubuntu minimal done  takes about 5 minutes
[12:31] <popey> oimon: not surprising
[12:31] <popey> they work in very different ways
[12:31] <oimon> that's what i'm trying
[12:31] <oimon> ubuntu mini
[12:32] <oimon> popey: they do, but i thought just a few packages req'd you know?
[12:32] <davmor2> oimon: live cd basically just transfers it's image onto the harddrive the alternate cd install the packages one at a time
[12:34] <oimon> all this because lubuntu requires 5.3 gb disk..too much for eee pc
[12:36] <popey> lulwut!
[12:37] <popey> surely not
[12:37] <popey> isn't Ubuntu itself only 2.3GB
[12:38] <davmor2> oimon: 5.3gig wouldn't fit on a cd
[12:38] <popey> compressed
[12:38] <davmor2> popey: Ubuntu 2.3 gig on just fits
[12:38] <popey> true
[12:39] <oimon> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03786.html
[12:40] <oimon> turns out my ubuntu mini install is a bag of fail too :(
[12:51] <davmor2> oimon: try the mini.iso and see if you can net boot it on you'll need a wired connection is about the only limitation
[12:52] <oimon> davmor2: yep, that's what i did..however have been having unpredictable boot behaviour...hopefully that will sort out once lubuntu-desktop is installed
[12:52] <oimon> what a faff
[12:53] <oimon> next time i'll just install ubuntu and try to remove stuff manually
[12:53] <davmor2> oimon: also does lubuntu have an alternative iso if so that might of worked better :)
[12:54] <oimon> "The project doesn't have yet a text based installer in CD, but somebody created an alternate CD for Lubuntu 10.10"
[12:54] <oimon> ironic seeing as it's for low spec PCs
[13:05] <oimon> http://baconipsum.com/?paras=5&type=meat-and-filler
[13:05] <oimon> mmm bacon
[13:25] <gord> wish i had taken my phone when i went out for lunch, saw a flyer for "Circus of the orient". image consisted of a shaolin monk doing a flying kick in to a clowns face
[13:31] <silner> It's alot quieter than the last time I was in here
[13:32] <oimon> gord: on that description, i want to go
[13:34] <oimon> especially if the clown is mr tumble
[13:37] <davmor2> silner: traffic volumes vary wildly on what is being talked about
[13:37] <davmor2> and the time of day etc
[13:38] <czajkowski> tis lunch time
[13:38] <silner> davmor2: yeah - think I came in at an odd time - bit of talking now - but was silent for a very long while - wondering if summat was broke my end :)
[13:39]  * davmor2 flicks bit of chewed up paper at czajkowski 
[13:39] <czajkowski> behave you
[13:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: Nope tis Friday and nothing you can say or do will stop me being a happy annoying git :P
[13:41] <silner> For the record I cannot use Ubuntu 11.04 - won't boot on my new-ish Packard bell netbook, even though Fedora 15 seems to be fine - might have time to read and investigate later - probably graphic card issue - hardest to report cos you can't see what's happening to report it :)
[13:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: this doesn't differ from any other day
[13:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: other days I'm not happy today I am :D
[13:49] <davmor2> popey: card is pci express incase gwibber is playing up again and I think it is a 1 or 2   16 is like gfx cards
[13:50] <edb> join #cakephp
[13:51] <davmor2> edb: you want a / infront of that ;)
[13:54] <popey> heh
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> low profile pci-express with a full-height bracket :)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> this is 1x
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ^
[13:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: So I was pretty much on target then :D
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: also.. ESATA? or something else?
[14:11] <davmor2> popey: the it will fit in the x1 slot look at the pdf under expansion ports it is the middle one.  Do not attempt to plug it into the x16 :D
[14:12] <hamitron> x1 doesn't go in x16?
[14:13] <davmor2> hamitron: it's popey a self proclaimed non hardware guy
[14:13] <hamitron> pci-e confuses me
[14:13] <hamitron> ;/
[14:14] <davmor2> hamitron: to be fair it actually makes a lot of sense one port to do everything,  makes boards cheaper for us to buy :D
[14:14] <hamitron> oh, it makes sense, just not sense I understand
[14:14] <hamitron> ;D
[14:15] <hamitron> I got boards with 1x, 4x, 8x and 16x
[14:15] <hamitron> and the 8x slot had a bit on it to stop 16x cards been installed in it.... melted the bit and it now takes a gpu fine
[14:16] <hamitron> :/
[14:17] <oimon> my hotot has gone crazy and is showing tweets that mention somebody i follow
[14:18] <davmor2> hamitron: an smaller card can go into a lager slot that's part of the beauty of it.
[14:19] <hamitron> davmor2: but why shouldn't a bigger card go in a smaller slot, it is technically works?
[14:20] <hamitron> by using a hot knife on my 8x slot, it now physically takes a 16x :/
[14:20] <davmor2> hamitron: because it doesn't utilise the full path of the card so you are likely to kill the card at some point
[14:20] <hamitron> hmmm, ok
[14:21] <hamitron> oh well, I'll see how long it lasts
[14:21] <hamitron> \o/
[14:21] <davmor2> hamitron: the pins from front to back are all the same so the power part is alway closest to the slots on the case
[14:22] <hamitron> well, I have a Radeon HD5570 in a 8x slot
[14:22] <hamitron> it seems ok
[14:23] <hamitron> not exactly a good reliable source I read, saying it could be done
[14:23] <hamitron> :)
[14:23] <hamitron> I only savaged the slot to get more bitcoin
[14:23] <hamitron> ;)
[14:31] <davmor2> hamitron: how is that going anyway?
[14:32] <hamitron> not too bad
[14:32] <davmor2> hamitron: you broke even yet?
[14:33] <hamitron> no
[14:33] <hamitron> yesterday I slipped over 300 quid
[14:33] <hamitron> :)
[14:34] <hamitron> but not really looking for profit, more just hardware subsidising
[14:36] <davmor2> hamitron: yeah and covering your electric bill :D
[14:36] <hamitron> it does that
[14:36] <hamitron> I have the electricity use in my sheet, for looking at profit
[14:37] <davmor2> hamitron: cool
[14:38] <hamitron> cost £72 in electricity so far
[14:39] <DJones> £72 of electricity, at current prices, thats only about 8 hours worth :)
[14:39] <hamitron> 8 hours?
[14:40] <DJones> 8 hours worth of electricty would probably cost £72
[14:40]  * hamitron confused
[14:41] <DJones> hamitron: I was being sarcastic, electricity prices are so high now that running a piece of hardware for a short time would probably use £72's worth of electricity
[14:42] <DJones> Does that explain it better
[14:42] <hamitron> ah :)
[14:43] <hamitron> still about £350 down in total
[14:43] <hamitron> but it is my new baby comp, so can live with it
[14:43] <hamitron> :D
[14:46] <gord> DJones, i understood straight away, don't worry ;)
[14:46] <DJones> gord: As long as one person did, I'm happy
[14:50] <davmor2> DJones: +1
[14:51]  * hamitron blames the Friday afternoon
[14:52] <hamitron> and I got DIRT 3 waiting to be played
[14:52] <hamitron> :/
[14:59] <gord> i *always* have dwarf fortress waiting to be played :(
[15:01] <hamitron> heh
[15:01] <hamitron> codemasters got hacked
[15:01] <hamitron> :/
[15:01] <hamitron> just got an email from them
[15:02] <oimon> We believe the following have been compromised: Customer names and addresses, email addresses, telephone numbers, encrypted passwords and order history. Please note that no personal payment information was stored with Codemasters as we use external payment providers, meaning your payment details were not at risk from this intrusion.
[15:03] <hamitron> I can't even remember which of my passwords I used on them
[15:03] <hamitron> \o/
[15:03] <oimon> plus..Members' names, usernames, screen names, email addresses, date of birth, encrypted passwords, newsletter preferences, any biographies entered by users, details of last site activity, IP addresses and Xbox Live Gamertags are all believed to have been compromised.
[15:03] <hamitron> so how is this gonna work with my newly bought DIRT 3? ;)
[15:04] <hamitron> I only installed it today \o/
[15:04] <hamitron> uses that games for windows thing
[15:04] <hamitron> :/
[15:08] <oimon> watched the dirt 3 trailer...told me nothing about actual gameplay
[15:09] <hamitron> it is a lot better than I thought it would be
[15:09] <hamitron> my first DIRT game
[15:09] <hamitron> :)
[15:09] <hamitron> it looks amazing
[15:10] <hamitron> I've only done 1 rally, controlling it with keyboard
[15:10] <oimon> i'm watching a different video then :P
[15:10] <hamitron> well worth the 20 quid
[15:11] <hamitron> I am a little annoyed I had to buy it on ebay to get a DVD version
[15:11] <oimon> i spent a good deal of my life playing vrally on ps and ps2
[15:11] <oimon> really? lol
[15:11] <hamitron> it is download only on PC
[15:11] <hamitron> :/
[15:12] <hamitron> players who buy from steam blindly have encouraged it, by been too lazy to go to the shops and too impatient to wait for delivery....
[15:12] <hamitron> it seems users in the UK are worse than the rest of the EU, or we are just a bunch of suckers
[15:12] <hamitron> :/
[15:13] <hamitron> but I like a shiney box and disk, and no huge download
[15:13] <hamitron> :D
[15:16] <popey> ooo that dirt3 looks nice
[15:17]  * popey sparks up steam
[15:17] <gord> hamitron, yes, damn us for wanting convenience ;)
[15:18] <hamitron> gord: I dunno how putting all your trust in 1 company is convenient
[15:18] <hamitron> scares me
[15:18] <gord> i don't just use one company
[15:18] <gord> i buy from gog too
[15:18] <hamitron> that is ok
[15:18] <hamitron> :)
[15:19] <hamitron> all this online activation annoys me
[15:19] <hamitron> and I don't like been forced to use it
[15:19] <gord> although the steam calculator is terrifying... http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/gordallott
[15:19] <hamitron> or forced to download 6Gb+, something that could be put on a DVD for very low cost
[15:20] <dogmatic69> ali1234: you still around?
[15:20] <hamitron> gord: :-o
[15:24] <hamitron> gord: it isn't just the trust issue, that bugs me though.... it increases the bandwidth requirements for the internet connections of those in the UK
[15:24] <gord> that sounds like a natural thing to me
[15:24] <hamitron> at a time when plenty don't ahve good connections, and the country is not exactly rolling in cash to invest in improving it
[15:25] <hamitron> gord: sure, but tell that to my friend with 56k
[15:25] <gord> that sounds like his problem
[15:26] <hamitron> that is a very nasty attitude
[15:26] <hamitron> he has no choice
[15:26] <gord> he does, he could move
[15:26] <hamitron> so you think he should just not get things because of where he lives?
[15:26] <hamitron> his job requires living there
[15:26] <gord> i think his choice of where to live has impacted his ability to consume things
[15:27] <hamitron> he provides milk to supermarkets
[15:27] <gord> i choose to live outside of a city, this impacts my ability to have suchi, i love suchi
[15:28] <hamitron> us in the country could deny food to the city if everyone took that attitude
[15:28] <AlanBell> afternoon peeps
[15:28] <Pendulum> hiya AlanBell
[15:28] <hamitron> hi :)
[15:28] <gord> sure sure :P country side will revolt
[15:29] <hamitron> gord: well, if everyone in the industry wants to make fast broadband a requirement, there is no harm in pirating if you have slow internet then
[15:30] <hamitron> can only buy what you are practically offered
[15:30] <gord> hamitron, you could certainly vote with your feet, either encouraging broadband suppliers to reach you or to make games deliver on physical medium. but no, piracy is still harmful
[15:31] <hamitron> I bought my DIRT 3 from inside europe
[15:31] <hamitron> :)
[15:31] <hamitron> but I was very close to pirating it tbh
[15:33] <hamitron> gord: I keep hearing claims about 95% of people getting X, so the rest don't matter
[15:34] <hamitron> if I don't matter and they turn a blind eye to my custom, they can turn a blind eye to my piracy
[15:35] <gord> thats flawed reasoning
[15:35] <hamitron> works for me
[15:35] <gord> i can write a book then choose to not sell it to someone, but that does not make it okay to take it anyway
[15:36] <hamitron> it is discrimination
[15:36] <hamitron> ;/
[15:36] <gord> no its not
[15:36] <exobuzz> gord prefers to make software and force it onto people when they dont want it ;-)
[15:36]  * exobuzz hides
[15:37] <hamitron> can't discriminate against certain things I dare not say due to political correctness, so shouldn't against country folk
[15:37] <hamitron> :)
[16:38] <DJones> hamitron: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/codemasters/
[16:53] <oimon> windows 7 ultimate: £168 what a bargain :P
[17:04] <hamitron> heh, I actually bought windows 7
[17:04] <hamitron> ;)
[17:04]  * hamitron likes to buy all the stuff he uses
[17:26]  * brobostigon might make a statement soon, of maybe obvious nature.
[17:30] <czajkowski> DJones: not even been near a pub today!
[17:44] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13726803 wow
[17:46] <gord> oops, though it still sounds better than northern rail. whenever i have to ride one of their trains i feel like i have to take a shower afterwards
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[17:46]  * MartijnVdS is training into London next month.. Eurostar is alright, right?
[17:47] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: tube strikes in July
[17:47] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Better than the coach/ferry.
[17:47] <czajkowski> gord: wait you actually leave your home :p
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: all of July?
[17:47] <czajkowski> no
[17:47] <gord> sometimes they make me :(
[17:47] <czajkowski> gord: aww if you come to London we shall meet and have tea
[17:47] <czajkowski> literally tea!
[17:47] <czajkowski> :)
[17:48] <timh____1> Anybody know if Facebook chat in Empathy is secure / uses SSL?
[17:48] <jpds> timh____1: Yes, it does.
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: do you know a website with a list of strike dates?
[17:48] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: nope but I'm sure if you google you'll find it
[17:48] <czajkowski> it was annourced during the week
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: ah, 23 june and 14 july
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Good, I'll arrive on the 23rd :)
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> (of July)
[17:49]  * brobostigon as of this afternoon, offically has a disability called aspergers.
[17:51] <AlanBell> you got a diagnosis?
[17:51] <Pendulum> brobostigon: congrats on being 'official' :)
[17:51] <shauno> brobostigon: you're officially a nerd now :D  welcome :)
[17:51] <brobostigon> AlanBell: yes,
[17:51] <brobostigon> Pendulum: cheers.
[17:51] <AlanBell> interesting, does that have any consequences?
[17:51] <brobostigon> shauno: umm, well,
[17:52] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i am not sure, no idea yet.
[17:53] <brobostigon> shauno: you canbe a nerd, without being ASD.
[17:53] <Pendulum> brobostigon: it does mean that when apply for jobs/working if there's anything Access to Work can help with you can get support through them (if the Tories haven't stripped it down completely at this point). Also support if you do any further studies anywhere.
[17:53] <shauno> I know.  it was meant to be lighthearted :)
[17:54] <brobostigon> Pendulum: ah, yes, true, that will make things alittle  easier, i think.
[17:54] <brobostigon> shauno: oh, ok.
[17:54] <Pendulum> brobostigon: also the NAS may be able to provide support
[17:55] <brobostigon> Pendulum: i am just having a look at that/them .
[17:55]  * Pendulum knows rather more about suppord for people with ASD in the UK than she should considering she is neither in the UK nor ASD
[17:55] <czajkowski> Pendulum: cause you're smart :)
[17:55] <Pendulum> well because I know more about UK disability & impairment stuff than most people
[17:55] <czajkowski> I knows
[17:55] <czajkowski> :)
[17:56] <Pendulum> and possibly more about what's available in the UK than in the US because I'm odd
[17:56] <brobostigon> i see.
[17:56] <Pendulum> which is a bit unhelpful for me
[17:57] <Pendulum> but feel free to poke if you have a question I might be able to answer (I know a decent amount about DLA and little bits about the proposed PIP and more than I ever need to know about ESA applications)
[17:58] <brobostigon> Pendulum: will do, thank you,
[17:59] <Pendulum> brobostigon: np :)
[17:59] <brobostigon> Pendulum: :)
[18:57] <daubers> lo
[18:57] <shauno> morning
[18:59] <jacobw> evening
[18:59] <brobostigon> evening
[18:59] <jacobw> IRC channels can pile up irssi, you don't release how many you've joined over the past $x weeks
[19:04]  * dwatkins concurrs
[19:04] <brobostigon> agreed.
[19:04] <dwatkins> I had an instance of irssi running for about 6 months at one stage
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's not long
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> 20:05 Irssi uptime: 217d 12h 3m 47s
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's my work irc :)
[19:05] <brobostigon> wow,
[19:06] <dwatkins> nice, MartijnVdS
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> I have a script that autocloses privmsg windows after a week
[19:06] <brobostigon> :)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (only if there's nothing unread, of course)
[19:08] <dwatkins> I tend to go through and do that occasionally, good idea though.
[19:10] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: care to share it?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> sure
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> let me find it :-)
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: /set autoclose_query 604800
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: (7 days in seconds)
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: also see http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: don't forget to /save :)
[19:18] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: thanks :)
[19:37] <MooDoo> evening all :)
[19:37] <brobostigon> good evening MooDoo :)
[19:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this fine day?
[19:38] <brobostigon> MooDoo: it has been intereting,but what has aready been known, has beenconfirmed. and you?
[19:38] <MooDoo> now that sounds confusin, but i'm ok thanks for asking :)
[19:39] <MooDoo> just installed natty onto my laptop
[19:40] <brobostigon> :) good luck.
[19:40] <MooDoo> brobostigon: works a treat to be honest, no hicups so far :D
[19:40] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thats good.
[19:43] <MooDoo> yeah i think so, all seems ok so far, well see eh!
[19:44] <brobostigon> :)
[19:44] <MooDoo> right, not to convert my CV to PDF
[19:44] <MooDoo> s/not/now :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> CSV to PDF? :P
[19:53] <davmor2> lo MooDoo
[20:05] <shauno> well this is awkward.  ntl told me I need to reboot the telly box thing.  so I pulled the power plug from it, and now there's noise coming out of the tv ..
[20:05] <shauno> kinda sounds like a phonecall.  in polish.
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> cool
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: It's the  government, it's on to you!
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: don't forget your tin foil hat
[20:07] <shauno> it'd have to be the government.  who else uses analogue phones?
[20:07] <shauno> it stops if I pull the scart cable.  it really is coming from the powered off stb
[20:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: evenin chappy
[20:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: you applied for that canonical job yet?
[20:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: in the process now :)
[20:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice
[20:09] <MooDoo> yeah, quite a simple process to start with, just converting my CV to pdf
[20:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: PDF done, now to fill in the online form :)
[20:27] <daubers> ARGH!
[20:27] <daubers> Windows 7 makes Minecraft unplayable :(
[20:28] <MooDoo> daubers: define unplayable?
[20:28] <daubers> Stupid thing disables the touchpad if you're using the keyboard
[20:28] <daubers> Hence I can't play any 3rd person types games without an external mouse
[20:28] <daubers> And there's no option to turn it off!!!!
[20:29] <daubers> And when you stop typing you can't use the touchpad for a second afterwards
[20:29] <daubers> I'm so going to get blown to buts by a creeper like this :(
[20:30] <MooDoo> Isn't there an option in windows 7 to disable the touchpad whuile typing?
[20:31] <daubers> I can't find it
[20:31] <daubers> It's certainly not under "mouse"
[20:33] <hamitron> finding stuff is certainly a pain
[20:33] <hamitron> :)
[20:33] <hamitron> happens when you have got used to something else
[20:33] <hamitron> ;)
[20:37] <daubers> Interestingly, you seem to get different tabs in "mouse" depending on the driver
[20:39] <jacobw> some laptops have a button to disable the trackpad
[20:39] <jacobw> great for learning vim :)
[20:39] <daubers> jacobw: I don't want to disable it, I want to stop it being disable while I'm using the keyboard :(
[20:39] <hamitron> can't you just use the default ps2 driver?
[20:41] <jacobw> my housemate has asked me to install linux on his laptop \o/
[20:41] <DJones> jacobw: Give them slackware :)
[20:41] <daubers> hamitron: Apparently no
[20:41] <daubers> t
[20:42]  * daubers attempts to update the mouse driver
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> daubers: do you need to?
[20:42] <jacobw> hehe
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (did you plug it into a different port? :))
[20:43] <jacobw> natty with u1
[20:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's a touchpad!
[20:43] <hamitron> this is maybe the wrong place to ask, but any suggestion of a distro to try?
[20:43] <hamitron> ;/
[20:44] <hamitron> i586 and old X.org needed, I'm getting desperate now
[20:44]  * daubers reboots
[20:44] <DJones> hamitron: slackware
[20:44] <hamitron> slackware 11.0 works
[20:44] <hamitron> :)
[20:44] <hamitron> but I was hoping something other than Debian 5.0 and Wary Puppy 5.0 may be still supported
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> warty puppy?
[20:45] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: maybe, I thought it was Wary... the one for old hardware
[20:46] <shauno> surely there's a cream for that
[20:46] <hamitron> :D
[20:47] <jacobw> i've never tried slackware to be hair
[20:47] <jacobw> fair even :s
[20:47] <shauno> I haven't used slackware since .. 1996?  so I doubt I have a fair opinion of it anymore :)
[20:48] <daubers> Right! Uninstall the mouse driver and it now seems to behave
[20:50] <shauno> this is the downside of things trying to be clever :/
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: uh.. what?
[20:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: it defaults back to the generic PS2 mouse driver. So no clever "Disabele touchpad while typing" going on
[21:00] <DJones> daubers: Give up, go back to Ubuntu, give up on windows
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> ♥ my xoom
[21:18] <daubers> DJones: Giving up after 2 days would suck
[21:42] <jacobw> Why are you going back to Windows?
[21:42] <MooDoo> jacobw: good for games?
[21:44] <AlanBell> jacobw: follow the duabers blogs on the planet http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/
[21:51] <jacobw> Ah ha </Alan Partridge>
[21:52] <MooDoo> knowing me knowing you
[21:53] <jacobw> :)
[21:56] <DJones> czajkowski: I walked past a couple of pubs today but resisted the temptation to go in
[22:05] <MooDoo> DJones: crazy fool :D
[22:35] <Core_UK> Hey guys
[22:45] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[22:48] <jacobw> Hey :)
[22:48]  * jacobw doesn't believe in this 'morning' you speak of.
[22:50] <hamitron> :))
[23:46] <brobostigon> brazil (film), bbc, in a few minutes.