| rick_h_ | snap-l: ouch, I know my boss has issues where the mic only works if plugged in during boot | 00:33 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | mic troubles? | 00:39 |
| jrwren | sounds like dbus is screwy | 01:40 |
| snap-l | Sommething | 01:49 |
| snap-l | seems that the hardware shows up, but not the mic device | 01:50 |
| snap-l | Not sure what the heck is going on | 01:50 |
| brousch | snap-l: sometimes it hides. i did a post on it a while ago | 01:50 |
| brousch | about half way down this http://clusterbleep.net/blog/2010/07/13/webcam-recording-using-vlc-on-linux/ | 01:51 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: i have something like that on lucid, too | 01:56 |
| greg-g | snap-l: that is why, most people in this world are extraneous | 03:48 |
| Wolfger | Heh... clusterbleep.net? Cute. | 12:21 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 12:34 |
| Wolfger | party ;-) | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | http://xkcd.com/910/ top 5 xkcd ever | 12:53 |
| Wolfger | He should name the server Epidural... | 12:54 |
| Lledargo | lol, I totaly agree | 12:54 |
| brousch | snap-l: you've been replaced by an HTML5 app :( http://ow.ly/5eIjF | 13:10 |
| brousch | it does work better in FF | 13:13 |
| Wolfger | brousch: Are we going back to the days of "this site designed to be viewed with..."? | 13:24 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Need some context for that "22:47 < greg-g> snap-l: that is why, most people in this world are extraneous | 13:25 |
| snap-l | comment | 13:25 |
| brousch | Wolfger: did we ever really leave it? | 13:26 |
| Wolfger | brousch: I haven't seen one of those web buttons in years... Most sites at least make an attempt at supporting multiple browsers. | 13:29 |
| brousch | well google's guitar only worked in chrome yesterday. for drums you need FF | 13:30 |
| Lledargo | We were starting to get out of it. The major thing is browsers need to be developed in a manner that support a web design standard. | 13:30 |
| Wolfger | Google's guitar worked just fine on my FF browser | 13:31 |
| snap-l | brousch: I used Chrome, and got it working. | 13:31 |
| brousch | snap-l: the timing is off in chrome | 13:31 |
| snap-l | http://www.randomthink.net/labs/html5drums/#10100010101001110000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001010101010101010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000|140 | 13:33 |
| snap-l | On mine it's worse under FF. | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Ah, for creating it works better under Chrome | 13:34 |
| snap-l | playback, it works better under FF. | 13:34 |
| brousch | i had no issues under FF with creation or playback | 13:34 |
| brousch | but i'm on osx | 13:34 |
| brousch | chrome playback is pretty much garbage for me | 13:35 |
| snap-l | No, playback works fine, just the | isn't recognized as a valid symbol for a link | 13:35 |
| snap-l | Well, you need to use a real OS for Chrome. ;) | 13:35 |
| snap-l | My name is Joey, webmaster of a number of sites and I'm currently working on promoting a number of sites you might find interesting. | 13:38 |
| snap-l | It concerns link exchange for our mutual benefit and long term improvement of both of our Google rankings. | 13:38 |
| snap-l | The purpose of my email is as follow; I am searching for sites such as openmetalcast.com to do business with because I think I can provide you with a great 3way link exchange proposal. | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | booh, 3 way | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | ooh that is | 13:39 |
| snap-l | Oh wow, can I get on your WebRing too? | 13:39 |
| snap-l | (fucking SEO spammers" | 13:39 |
| Wolfger | It's 90's internet all over again | 13:41 |
| brousch | http://www.randomthink.net/labs/html5drums/#10101011101010100000000000000000000000000100100000000000000000000000100000001000000000001000000010000000000000000000000000000000000100000001000101000100010001001000110000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000|180 | 13:47 |
| brousch | i could do this all day | 13:47 |
| brousch | hm, how would i record this? plug headphone jack into mic? | 13:54 |
| snap-l | brousch: You'd love Hydrogen | 14:07 |
| snap-l | or LMMS | 14:07 |
| brousch | those free? | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 14:09 |
| brousch | are you trying to kill my whole weekend? | 14:09 |
| snap-l | I've also use MuSE and Rosegarden in the past, but I think LMMS is nicer, overall | 14:10 |
| snap-l | brousch: Muhahahaha | 14:10 |
| brousch | hydrogen looks nice | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Yeha, though it's only a drum machine | 14:10 |
| snap-l | but a very nice drum machine | 14:10 |
| Lledargo | It's not free, but FruityLoops is a nice program | 14:10 |
| snap-l | wish there was more integration to LMMS | 14:10 |
| brousch | wow, lmms looks nice too | 14:11 |
| snap-l | Lledargo: Not having used FruityLoops, LMMS (I'm told) is quite similar. | 14:11 |
| Wolfger | I liked the idea of using Rosegarden to compose music, but it never quite worked... | 14:11 |
| Lledargo | I have never used LMMS, but I can believe it | 14:11 |
| brousch | what's with this slick gui? i was expecting curses and command line | 14:11 |
| snap-l | http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ | 14:11 |
| snap-l | brousch: It's my current go-to software for when I have a creative itch | 14:12 |
| brousch | i will pull out the old linux laptop and try it this weekend | 14:13 |
| Lledargo | snap-l: yeah, on their hompage LMMS says that it is an open source solution for FL studio(professional version of fruityloops) | 14:14 |
| snap-l | Lledargo: The only pro software I've used was Cakewalk back in the 1990s | 14:14 |
| snap-l | Everything else has been OSS | 14:15 |
| snap-l | So claims like "It's like FL" are taken with a grain of salt, like "OpenOffice replaces Microsoft Office" | 14:15 |
| Lledargo | think of it the other way round then, FL is a closed source solution to LMMS ;) | 14:16 |
| snap-l | Because there's one thing that I've learned from creative professionals; they love to abuse their tools to the point where nothing but the original will do | 14:17 |
| snap-l | Lledargo: WFM. ;) | 14:17 |
| snap-l | I think I'm going to title my MUG talk "So You've Got Natty: Successfully coping with Ubuntu's latest distribution". | 14:20 |
| brousch | nice | 14:20 |
| brousch | snap-l: i'm making you famous on the twitters | 14:22 |
| Milyardo | I think last time I tried LMMS it wasn't very useful without FL because it didn't come with any Sound Fonts, it was expected you'd import some from FL | 14:23 |
| brousch | well snap-l has more musical talent in his toenail clippings than i have in my whole body, so i think it'll be plenty powerful enough for me | 14:24 |
| snap-l | Um, sure. | 14:24 |
| snap-l | I just play drums. I have no concepts of harmony or melody. | 14:25 |
| brousch | lmms might be the key to getting my wife to switch to linux | 14:25 |
| brousch | i have no idea what the difference between harmony and melody are | 14:25 |
| jrwren | anyone know what happened to pam_env | 14:38 |
| * snap-l is getting back into bug reporting | 14:47 | |
| rick_h_ | good time :P | 14:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, a thrill a minute. | 14:47 |
| rick_h_ | working with non-linuxy people is so hard | 14:48 |
| rick_h_ | "I can't change all that sql to lowercase, it'd take for ever!" | 14:48 |
| rick_h_ | umm... guG | 14:48 |
| rick_h_ | ? | 14:48 |
| brousch | snap-l: i'm gonna get that lmms and hydrogen working tonight. we're going to a graduation party for a kid whose into music and glee club and such so i think a bunch of his friends would like it | 14:48 |
| snap-l | Awesome! | 14:49 |
| snap-l | Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that "Safely Remove Drive" wouldn't remove a drive that was currently having files copied to it | 14:54 |
| jrwren | you are wrong. | 14:57 |
| jrwren | at least in XP I think you are wrong. | 14:57 |
| jrwren | it would sync and unmount and the copy would fail. | 14:57 |
| Lledargo | I thought it stopped file transfer, not disallowed removing a drive that was doing file operations | 14:58 |
| Lledargo | oh, I was beat to it | 14:58 |
| jrwren | i haven't used "safely remove" in years :) | 14:58 |
| Wolfger | "safely remove" always fails for me if the drive is in use in any fashion | 15:02 |
| snap-l | I mean under a real OS. :) | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu. ;) | 15:02 |
| Wolfger | Ubu-what? | 15:03 |
| Wolfger | Sit, Ubu, sit. Good OS. | 15:05 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL0cII74YYs | 15:13 |
| rick_h_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6308018/performance-implications-of-using-spaces-instead-of-tabs-for-indentation | 15:56 |
| rick_h_ | ok, so we're entering laugh at people friday | 15:56 |
| Wolfger | \o/ | 15:58 |
| snap-l | Seriously? | 15:58 |
| * Lledargo is laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside. | 15:59 | |
| snap-l | I need 125 reputation so I can vote this into oblivion | 15:59 |
| Wolfger | ++ | 15:59 |
| Wolfger | Hmm... Why do I no longer have an account? | 16:03 |
| Wolfger | I know I finally caved and got an account for AskUbuntu. I even accrued some rep | 16:03 |
| Wolfger | now it's saying no account at my e-mail address. :-( | 16:04 |
| snap-l | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6308018/performance-implications-of-using-spaces-instead-of-tabs-for-indentation/6308219#6308219 | 16:04 |
| snap-l | It's questions like those that make me fear for the future | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Unless you're reading data from a NFS share over a 28.8 modem from a server in BFE with 26 hops, and a latency of a microwave transmission to Mars, you're probably going to be fine. | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | but but but, think of the bits man! | 16:11 |
| Wolfger | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5659360/why-should-you-avoid-the-then-keyword-in-ruby | 16:14 |
| Wolfger | I would tend to agree... | 16:15 |
| Blazeix | is anyone familiar with page-rendering pipeline differences in IE9 vs chrome? | 16:15 |
| Wolfger | "then" is useless | 16:15 |
| * rick_h_ cries as he changes a user's password from gjC8kTNnP5 to Secret1 | 16:15 | |
| Blazeix | I have an app that does a full page refresh when navigating from page to page. IE9 seems to hide the fact that you're refreshing the page, since it does it so fast | 16:16 |
| Blazeix | chrome and ff show a nice big white page between page changes | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | just that IE9 is all hardware now | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | not sure on the actual pipeline/render changes | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | I think chrome/etc do hardware accelerated of bits | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | but I thought IE was moving all rendering to hardware? | 16:17 |
| Blazeix | maybe. i was wondering if it was a difference between IE9 rendering in a streaming fashion vs chrome waiting for all the content | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Huh... apparently my spamhaus config gor removed during my postfix upgrade | 16:35 |
| snap-l | Wondered why I had more spam coming through | 16:35 |
| snap-l | Thank you, whomever voted me up. :) | 16:38 |
| Wolfger | Maybe the iPad just sucks? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6308784/app-store-screenshots-looks-blurry-on-ipad-whats-going-on | 16:50 |
| Wolfger | Hmm... Well, they spend more time coding than anything else.... ;-) http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/82995/what-percentage-of-time-should-be-non-programming | 16:56 |
| Wolfger | (yes, I'm bored, why do you ask?) | 16:56 |
| snap-l | God, Programming.stachexchange is the worst for those navelgazing questions | 17:03 |
| snap-l | sorry, programmers. | 17:04 |
| snap-l | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/83038/qa-bugs-poor-programmers <- rick_h_, here you go. | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | I'm afraid to click ... | 17:05 |
| snap-l | I can hear the shotgun | 17:05 |
| * rick_h_ closes without reading any of the comments, the question was more than enough | 17:05 | |
| Wolfger | snap-l: LOL. I was just reading that same one... | 17:08 |
| Wolfger | That question boiled down to "It's not my fault! Right?" | 17:09 |
| snap-l | Argh, JoDee just told me that Borders in Birmingham is closing | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | dum da dum dum! | 18:17 |
| brousch | thanks, rick_h_ now i have the dungeon music from mario3 in my head | 18:18 |
| snap-l | http://www.detnews.com/article/20110610/BIZ/106100340/1001/Borders-puts-local-stores-on-closing-list | 18:19 |
| snap-l | It's on notice, apparently. | 18:19 |
| snap-l | I hope it doesn't, but damnit, I'm getting sick of having my favorite stores close. | 18:20 |
| brousch | well maybe if you'd spent more money there ... | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | it's like church | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | what's the current tithe rate for a borders? | 18:26 |
| snap-l | I've been tithing my little ass off there. | 18:27 |
| jrwren | binbrain: python slots? | 18:30 |
| brousch | how do i distribute an app to iphone users without using the apple app store? is that even possible? | 18:30 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: web! | 18:30 |
| snap-l | It's easy | 18:31 |
| snap-l | first everyone jailbreaks their phone | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, way to limit the __dict__ of an object by declaring which attrib a python object will have | 18:31 |
| brousch | i have web, but camera integration would be better with native app | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | you can't then add/extend it | 18:31 |
| snap-l | then, they download your app, and figure out how to install | 18:31 |
| snap-l | voila, your app is now their #1 favorite. | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | but it can be about 4 or 5x memory improvement to go to a namedtuple under the hood vs a dict | 18:31 |
| brousch | this app is for barcampgr, so it's not like it needs to be available to the world | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: no side install without rooting | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | and doubt you'll have people rooting | 18:32 |
| brousch | that is so weak | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | no, "that is so apple" | 18:32 |
| brousch | i suppose if a couple other barcamps picked up the app, and i charged $2, i could make back the $99 fee | 18:33 |
| rick_h_ | or get someone who's already paid the fee to submit it for you? | 18:34 |
| brousch | hm, yeah, maybe i can get someone from one of the local tech companies | 18:34 |
| brousch | good idea | 18:34 |
| binbrain | jrwren: special method __slots__ = ('var1', 'var2') allows you to limit class attributes to var1 and var2, its a performance optimizer, but often seen it used in as a way to make the class adhere as if it was limited by an interface | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | it's like private final or whatever | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | don't do it, one day someone will want/need to change things | 18:36 |
| binbrain | private? | 18:36 |
| krondor | brousch: there's an sdk of some kind to do it, a lot of middleware phone managements solutions offer something for it. I'm not sure how it functions maybe tied to the now defunct mobile me? | 18:37 |
| binbrain | I don't think it has an implications that are similar to private or final | 18:37 |
| brousch | krondor: i think there is some sort of enterprise app deployment thing, but it costs big $ | 18:38 |
| binbrain | so basically, there is a developer here that likes to uses slots in all his classes. w.o any reason, ie, performance | 18:39 |
| krondor | brousch: no doubt | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | binbrain: just that it locks the class down | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, ugh for guys that just do that for fun | 18:45 |
| snap-l | Also, you have to keep submitting the $99 fee every year. | 18:46 |
| snap-l | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/06/dali-clock-no-longer-available-in-app-store-this-time-for-sure/ | 18:50 |
| snap-l | I'm so glad I have a google Alert for "open metalcast" | 18:54 |
| snap-l | otherwise I'd miss out that Saginaw is having some metalcasting thing-a-ma-jobbie. | 18:55 |
| Wolfger | so informative | 18:56 |
| jrwren | so if i have python slots the runtime throws if I try to add a new attr that doesn't have a slot? | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea | 19:00 |
| snap-l | Yay, got some CDs in the mail from one of the artists I've played on OMC. | 19:00 |
| jrwren | i would like that, I think :) | 19:00 |
| binbrain | jrwren: why | 19:01 |
| jrwren | its closer to static typing. | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/338/ | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | oop, did that wrong. bah I don't use it | 19:02 |
| jrwren | i know the attr is still dyn typed, but at least I have control over the shape of my objects. | 19:02 |
| snap-l | Again, it depends | 19:02 |
| binbrain | jrwren: I'm not sure what pretend static typing accomplishes though | 19:03 |
| snap-l | I can see where it would be useful to arbitrarily define variables against a class, but I can see where that might be a royal pain | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | feels warm/fuzzy | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | it's the python way | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | flexible | 19:03 |
| Wolfger | "pretend static typing"? That would be dynamic typing. That's extremely useful! :-) | 19:04 |
| snap-l | One way I could see it being useful is if someone did a dick-move on your class that you don't want them to do. ;) | 19:04 |
| binbrain | snap-l: lol | 19:05 |
| binbrain | snap-l: funny you put it like that, but that's in a way what it amounts to, "I don't trust the other developers so I'm going to control how the instances look like" | 19:10 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's what I see as the reason for things like private, etc. | 19:10 |
| snap-l | sometimes justified, but more than often way too paranoid | 19:11 |
| binbrain | I have no problem with conventions like underscore in Python _private_var | 19:12 |
| * Wolfger ponders "more than often" | 19:12 | |
| snap-l | binbrain: I don't either. I think they're brilliant. | 19:14 |
| snap-l | They're awesome because they implicitly say "here be dragons", and then give you a map and a torch | 19:14 |
| binbrain | but what if its a dragon doing a duck impersonation | 19:15 |
| binbrain | I bet nobody got that, I need to get back to work anyways | 19:16 |
| snap-l | If the dragon wants to be a duck, and can walk like a duck, then it's a duck. ;) | 19:16 |
| * snap-l just got a very strange image in his head. | 19:16 | |
| Wolfger | transspecies dragon-duck conversion? | 19:22 |
| binbrain | ahhh! damn you nosetest, guess i should of known better though | 19:39 |
| binbrain | didn't realize that it silently kills your loggers | 19:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 19:46 |
| rick_h_ | nosetests --with-id -v -s -x --with-pylons test_psql.ini is my normal call | 19:46 |
| rick_h_ | thought it still does some tweaking I think | 19:46 |
| Wolfger | nose test? | 19:53 |
| rick_h_ | nose == unit test runner for python | 19:54 |
| Wolfger | very odd name | 19:54 |
| Wolfger | I would think "snake test" or some such for Python. Or "Monty test". | 19:55 |
| Wolfger | circus test, even | 19:56 |
| brousch | flask is fun | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | bwuhahaha, I love it when the guy that doesn't want postgres because he's afraid of change goes "but but but...I neeed this very hard thing..." | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | and I can go "boom done, query updated, go try it. Next!" | 20:02 |
| snap-l | you know, I was reluctant to change to PostgreSQL | 20:03 |
| snap-l | it was just just different enough | 20:03 |
| snap-l | but I'm glad I made the switch. Now it feels like I have a real database on my machine | 20:03 |
| rick_h_ | man, I just whipped our arrays on him. Bwuhahahaha | 20:03 |
| snap-l | Also, if you don't like change, you're in the wrong profession | 20:04 |
| snap-l | I like stable, but change is good | 20:04 |
| rick_h_ | yea, this is all because his mysql crap is causing servers to go boom. They've corrupted the whole db twice in trying to dev the thing | 20:04 |
| snap-l | ugh | 20:04 |
| rick_h_ | my boss is starting to get impressed and convinced so I'm starting to feel cracks in the anti-change postgres wall | 20:05 |
| snap-l | InnoDB is very fragile | 20:05 |
| snap-l | Not MongoDB fragile, but still fragine | 20:05 |
| snap-l | fragile, even | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 20:05 |
| jrwren | binbrain: it lets me fail faster, rather than keep running if something that was supposed to work isn't working. | 20:40 |
| jrwren | e.g. the fat fingered attr setter invokation | 20:40 |
| binbrain | I never have problems with fat fingering, I use pyflakes | 20:47 |
| binbrain | failure is quickly identified during test time | 20:48 |
| jrwren | what is that? | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | highlights vars that don't belong. Never used before, etc | 20:48 |
| jrwren | cool | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | helps with the typos since you say foo = barz and barz is highlighted as never init'd before | 20:49 |
| snap-l | Yeah, pyflakes is awesome. | 20:50 |
| snap-l | It catches a lot of dingbat mistakes. | 20:50 |
| snap-l | http://fukung.net/v/40275/c56601f86f88fd4d33082916056904f6.gif | 21:11 |
| devinheitmueller | rick_h_: do you have any idea what the topic is for next week's MUG? | 21:17 |
| devinheitmueller | nevermind. | 21:18 |
| greg-g | snap-l: sorry, was away most of today. The context for that comment I left you was the people who cut down the tree to steal a bike (and then leave the bike behind) | 21:20 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, that was utter crap | 21:21 |
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