| l0n3w0lf | is Unity part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio 11.04? | 17:37 |
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| holstein | l0n3w0lf: hey | 17:38 |
| l0n3w0lf | hi there | 17:38 |
| holstein | unity will be in the repos | 17:38 |
| holstein | gnome is the default DE | 17:39 |
| holstein | 11.10 will be XFCE | 17:39 |
| holstein | if you are running ubuntu 11.04 | 17:39 |
| holstein | and looking for a gnome environment, theres the 'classic mode' or whatever its called | 17:39 |
| holstein | thats gnome2 | 17:39 |
| l0n3w0lf | ah, good... I don't want to run Unity with Ubuntu Studio... didn't see on the website where it mentioned what it was running | 17:39 |
| holstein | yeah, we are working on the site currently | 17:40 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: ubuntu = ubuntustudio | 17:40 |
| l0n3w0lf | No worries | 17:40 |
| holstein | you dont need to install ubuntustudio if you already have ubuntu | 17:40 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 17:40 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 17:40 |
| holstein | or just search in whatever package manager for ubuntustudio | 17:40 |
| l0n3w0lf | ubottu: saw that... my current ubuntu install has that unity, and I don't want it... if I understand correctly, downloading and installing Studio and it will be using Gnome 2? | 17:41 |
| ubottu | l0n3w0lf: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 17:41 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: well, thats what im saying | 17:42 |
| holstein | you dont need to download and install anything | 17:42 |
| holstein | you have gnome2 as an option | 17:42 |
| l0n3w0lf | ok | 17:42 |
| holstein | at the login screen, you choose the classic environment | 17:42 |
| holstein | thats gnome2 | 17:43 |
| holstein | IF you want the ubuntstudio themeing and all that | 17:43 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop | 17:43 |
| holstein | no need to wipe or reinstall | 17:43 |
| l0n3w0lf | great, I'll check that out | 17:43 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: enjoy :) | 17:43 |
| l0n3w0lf | Unity runs slow, and that's upsetting because I have a quad core with 8GBs of RAM... | 17:43 |
| l0n3w0lf | holstein: thank you | 17:44 |
| holstein | theres a 2d version of unity | 17:44 |
| l0n3w0lf | yeah | 17:44 |
| holstein | i think its just called unity2d | 17:44 |
| holstein | unity-2d ? | 17:44 |
| holstein | something like thta | 17:44 |
| holstein | i havent checked it out though personally | 17:44 |
| l0n3w0lf | I've got no interest in it... I was perfectly happy with gnome | 17:44 |
| l0n3w0lf | although XCFE has been growing on me | 17:44 |
| holstein | yeah, im looking forward tot he switch | 17:45 |
| holstein | you can always install xubuntu-desktop as well :) | 17:45 |
| l0n3w0lf | but if I install Xubuntu -desktop I will still need to run gnome 2 in studio right? | 17:46 |
| holstein | nah | 17:46 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: ubuntustudio is just a collection of packages | 17:46 |
| holstein | like the other spins too really | 17:46 |
| holstein | for example, if you use JACK and ardour, and thats what you want | 17:47 |
| l0n3w0lf | yeah | 17:47 |
| holstein | JACK and ardour are in the ubuntustudio-audio metapacakge | 17:47 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah | 17:47 |
| holstein | you can have xubuntu, or ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed | 17:47 |
| l0n3w0lf | well, that certainly gives me a lot of options... | 17:47 |
| holstein | and install ubuntustudio-audio | 17:47 |
| holstein | OR | 17:47 |
| orngjce223 | I'm xubuntu + a couple of the audio tools | 17:47 |
| holstein | just install JACK and ardour | 17:47 |
| holstein | the ubuntustudio-desktop package is the package with the themeing and all that | 17:48 |
| l0n3w0lf | the "sound" version was the one I was going to try first... I do alot with audio... | 17:48 |
| holstein | for all intents and purposes, you can have kubuntu installed | 17:48 |
| orngjce223 | Really just jack + qjackctl + LMMS + every ladspa plugin I could get my hands on | 17:48 |
| holstein | and install ubuntustudio-audio | 17:48 |
| orngjce223 | Yeah | 17:48 |
| orngjce223 | Also ubuntustudio-audio-plugins if you want those | 17:48 |
| holstein | and the gnome libs will 0of course be pulled in | 17:48 |
| holstein | but, everything will work fine | 17:48 |
| l0n3w0lf | nice | 17:48 |
| holstein | yup | 17:48 |
| holstein | its really up to you | 17:48 |
| holstein | but, there are some differences | 17:49 |
| holstein | i usually suggest tothe casual desktop user wanting some audio apps to just add the apps | 17:49 |
| holstein | i see in here alot 'ubuntu was working fine, and i installed ubuntustudio and something is not working, and i dont know how to fix it' | 17:49 |
| holstein | theres no reason to get into uncharted territory | 17:50 |
| holstein | just use the buntu you have | 17:50 |
| holstein | and add what you want/need | 17:50 |
| l0n3w0lf | perhaps I will install Xubuntu and then just install ubuntustudio -audio... | 17:50 |
| holstein | yup, thats a good way to go, and to see whats on the way | 17:50 |
| l0n3w0lf | indeed | 17:50 |
| l0n3w0lf | :) | 17:50 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: you can get involved in testing too if you want | 17:50 |
| holstein | and install xubuntu 11.10 | 17:50 |
| l0n3w0lf | I would love to get involved... I have been looking to get involved, but my programming skills are lacking, so I wasn't sure where to start... | 17:51 |
| holstein | since thats what we will (bascially) be releasing | 17:51 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: testing is important too | 17:51 |
| holstein | it can be challenging though | 17:51 |
| holstein | and i wouldnt do it on my production machine | 17:51 |
| l0n3w0lf | alrighty... perhaps I will download xubuntu 11.10 to an extra computer tonight after work... | 17:51 |
| holstein | i have 10.04 installed there, and dont plan on moving til 12.04 | 17:51 |
| holstein | but, my testing machine will have 11.10 xubuntu + the studio apps | 17:52 |
| l0n3w0lf | holstein: are you part of the studio team? | 17:52 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: sure :) | 17:53 |
| holstein | you are too if you want to be | 17:53 |
| l0n3w0lf | nice | 17:53 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: /j #ubuntustudio-devel if you want | 17:53 |
| l0n3w0lf | when you test a release... to what or whom do you report issues? | 17:53 |
| holstein | its actually going to be a while til we have a UI to test | 17:53 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: i would come to the -devel channel first right now | 17:54 |
| holstein | or the -devel mailing list | 17:54 |
| holstein | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel | 17:54 |
| holstein | bugreports would be next, but for now, the UI is still being tweaked | 17:55 |
| l0n3w0lf | alrighty... well I have to run out for a half hour or so... if you're still on when I get back, I'll talk to you then... thanks and I hope to talk to you again soon :) | 17:55 |
| l0n3w0lf | boss is a callin | 17:55 |
| holstein | l0n3w0lf: o/ | 17:55 |
| l0n3w0lf | back | 18:36 |
| orngjce223 | Hey again | 18:39 |
| l0n3w0lf | howdie | 18:39 |
| Strayfolkx | if I install US 11.04 today, which kernel would I use per default? | 20:15 |
| holstein | -generic | 20:16 |
| Strayfolkx | number? | 20:16 |
| holstein | the same one that comes with ubuntu | 20:16 |
| Strayfolkx | it says 2.6.38 on Distrowatch, for instance | 20:16 |
| holstein | 2.6.38? | 20:16 |
| holstein | pretty sure | 20:16 |
| Strayfolkx | but is the 2.6.39 kernel ready for update | 20:16 |
| holstein | define ready | 20:16 |
| Strayfolkx | so I could update to it? | 20:17 |
| holstein | well, its linux | 20:17 |
| holstein | so, you can do what you want | 20:17 |
| holstein | anytime :) | 20:17 |
| Strayfolkx | is it in the repos already? | 20:17 |
| holstein | im not sure | 20:17 |
| Strayfolkx | can I try the 2.6.39 with 10.04? | 20:17 |
| holstein | id have to boot that machine, and try it | 20:17 |
| holstein | Strayfolkx: again, its linux | 20:17 |
| holstein | you can do what you want | 20:17 |
| Strayfolkx | I just find a .deb? | 20:18 |
| holstein | hmm, not sure about that | 20:18 |
| holstein | Strayfolkx: ive used the mainline kernels before | 20:18 |
| holstein | those were .debs | 20:18 |
| Strayfolkx | it's not available for lucid | 20:27 |
| Strayfolkx | ...leastways in the mainline kernel ppa | 20:27 |
| holstein | ive never added the ppa | 20:29 |
| holstein | ive just gone and gotten the .deb that i wanted | 20:30 |
| holstein | and installed it | 20:30 |
| Strayfolkx | k. is there a magic command to print my installed packages? | 20:31 |
| Strayfolkx | as a reminder after update.... | 20:32 |
| holstein | you can save a list from synaptic AFAIK | 20:33 |
| Strayfolkx | can't figure it out, sorry | 20:47 |
| Strayfolkx | bah, I'm gonna do a fresh install tonight | 20:48 |
| Strayfolkx | wish me luck | 20:48 |
| Strayfolkx | I'm downloading ubuntu studio 11.04 and will be adding kxstudio and necessary gfx drivers | 20:49 |
| Strayfolkx | ok, see you on the other side of update | 21:22 |
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| Strayfolk | running 11.04 with 2.6.39 now. everything works. no realtime audio yet | 23:11 |
| Strayfolk | I didn't install the audio suite with ubuntu studio, I wanted to choose the programs myself | 23:11 |
| orngjce223 | Cool | 23:12 |
| Strayfolk | do you know how to allow jack in realtime mode? | 23:12 |
| holstein | when you install JACK, you will see a popup | 23:13 |
| Strayfolk | I didn't | 23:13 |
| holstein | just answer there that you want RT in JACK | 23:13 |
| holstein | Strayfolk: then, dont worry about it | 23:13 |
| holstein | just run JACK | 23:13 |
| Strayfolk | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 4E9CFF4E | 23:13 |
| Strayfolk | oh sorry | 23:14 |
| Strayfolk | ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: libffado 2.999.0-1984M built May 25 2011 22:15:24 | 23:14 |
| Strayfolk | ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421908: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 154] Start: Cannot create realtime thread (1: Operation not permitted) | 23:14 |
| Strayfolk | [0mERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421930: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 155] Start: priority: 77 | 23:14 |
| holstein | theres a checkbox in JACK setop | 23:14 |
| holstein | you probably wont be able to get RT with ffado | 23:14 |
| holstein | i couldn with my tests | 23:14 |
| holstein | couldnt* | 23:14 |
| Strayfolk | hmmm | 23:15 |
| holstein | just try gksudo qjackctl | 23:15 |
| holstein | then, you can trouble shoot if the hardware will work or not, without worrying about permissions | 23:15 |
| holstein | THEN, you can troubleshoot permissions, and get JACK running non-root | 23:16 |
| Strayfolk | ok, so it works with gksu | 23:21 |
| holstein | cool | 23:21 |
| holstein | so, you just start troubleshooting permissions then | 23:21 |
| holstein | make sure you are in the audio group and whatever else you need | 23:21 |
| Strayfolkx | now it works | 23:26 |
| Strayfolkx | :) | 23:26 |
| holstein | im not a professional, but i play one in TV ;) | 23:26 |
| holstein | on* | 23:26 |
| Strayfolkx | you're good | 23:26 |
| Strayfolkx | you've helped me before | 23:27 |
| * holstein tips hat | 23:27 | |
| holstein | i do what i can | 23:27 |
| Strayfolkx | It's just good to have people to talk to when you're in a sweat | 23:27 |
| Strayfolkx | overall, this kernel + version seems to work better for me | 23:27 |
| holstein | yeah, theres noticable progress for sure | 23:28 |
| Strayfolkx | let's see about audio performance, I'll report back later | 23:28 |
| holstein | sure, theres 2 more kernels to try | 23:28 |
| holstein | at least | 23:28 |
| holstein | IF needed | 23:28 |
| Strayfolkx | hope not :) | 23:28 |
| Strayfolkx | jack's been running idle now for 3 minutes without xruns | 23:29 |
| Strayfolkx | that's something :) | 23:29 |
| holstein | sure | 23:29 |
| Strayfolkx | running a big renoise project @ 8 ms without xruns yet | 23:31 |
| Strayfolkx | yesterday @ preempt @ 64 ms there were one xrun every minute or so | 23:32 |
| Strayfolkx | beats my previous setup at least! | 23:35 |
| Strayfolkx | at last! | 23:35 |
| holstein | yeah, its nice to get it dialed in, and get some work done :) | 23:35 |
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