[17:37] <l0n3w0lf> is Unity part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio 11.04?
[17:38] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: hey
[17:38] <l0n3w0lf> hi there
[17:38] <holstein> unity will be in the repos
[17:39] <holstein> gnome is the default DE
[17:39] <holstein> 11.10 will be XFCE
[17:39] <holstein> if you are running ubuntu 11.04
[17:39] <holstein> and looking for a gnome environment, theres the 'classic mode' or whatever its called
[17:39] <holstein> thats gnome2
[17:39] <l0n3w0lf> ah, good... I don't want to run Unity with Ubuntu Studio... didn't see on the website where it mentioned what it was running
[17:40] <holstein> yeah, we are working on the site currently
[17:40] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[17:40] <l0n3w0lf> No worries
[17:40] <holstein> you dont need to install ubuntustudio if you already have ubuntu
[17:40] <holstein> !vanilla
[17:40] <holstein> or just search in whatever package manager for ubuntustudio
[17:41] <l0n3w0lf> ubottu: saw that... my current ubuntu install has that unity, and I don't want it... if I understand correctly, downloading and installing Studio and it will be using Gnome 2?
[17:42] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: well, thats what im saying
[17:42] <holstein> you dont need to download and install anything
[17:42] <holstein> you have gnome2 as an option
[17:42] <l0n3w0lf> ok
[17:42] <holstein> at the login screen, you choose the classic environment
[17:43] <holstein> thats gnome2
[17:43] <holstein> IF you want the ubuntstudio themeing and all that
[17:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:43] <holstein> no need to wipe or reinstall
[17:43] <l0n3w0lf> great, I'll check that out
[17:43] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: enjoy :)
[17:43] <l0n3w0lf> Unity runs slow, and that's upsetting because I have a quad core with 8GBs of RAM...
[17:44] <l0n3w0lf> holstein: thank you
[17:44] <holstein> theres a 2d version of unity
[17:44] <l0n3w0lf> yeah
[17:44] <holstein> i think its just called unity2d
[17:44] <holstein> unity-2d ?
[17:44] <holstein> something like thta
[17:44] <holstein> i havent checked it out though personally
[17:44] <l0n3w0lf> I've got no interest in it... I was perfectly happy with gnome
[17:44] <l0n3w0lf> although XCFE has been growing on me
[17:45] <holstein> yeah, im looking forward tot he switch
[17:45] <holstein> you can always install xubuntu-desktop as well :)
[17:46] <l0n3w0lf> but if I install Xubuntu -desktop I will still need to run gnome 2 in studio right?
[17:46] <holstein> nah
[17:46] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: ubuntustudio is just a collection of packages
[17:46] <holstein> like the other spins too really
[17:47] <holstein> for example, if you use JACK and ardour, and thats what you want
[17:47] <l0n3w0lf> yeah
[17:47] <holstein> JACK and ardour are in the ubuntustudio-audio metapacakge
[17:47] <orngjce223> Yeah
[17:47] <holstein> you can have xubuntu, or ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed
[17:47] <l0n3w0lf> well, that certainly gives me a lot of options...
[17:47] <holstein> and install ubuntustudio-audio
[17:47] <holstein> OR
[17:47] <orngjce223> I'm xubuntu + a couple of the audio tools
[17:47] <holstein> just install JACK and ardour
[17:48] <holstein> the ubuntustudio-desktop package is the package with the themeing and all that
[17:48] <l0n3w0lf> the "sound" version was the one I was going to try first... I do alot with audio...
[17:48] <holstein> for all intents and purposes, you can have kubuntu installed
[17:48] <orngjce223> Really just jack + qjackctl + LMMS + every ladspa plugin I could get my hands on
[17:48] <holstein> and install ubuntustudio-audio
[17:48] <orngjce223> Yeah
[17:48] <orngjce223> Also ubuntustudio-audio-plugins if you want those
[17:48] <holstein> and the gnome libs will 0of course be pulled in
[17:48] <holstein> but, everything will work fine
[17:48] <l0n3w0lf> nice
[17:48] <holstein> yup
[17:48] <holstein> its really up to you
[17:49] <holstein> but, there are some differences
[17:49] <holstein> i usually suggest tothe casual desktop user wanting some audio apps to just add the apps
[17:49] <holstein> i see in here alot 'ubuntu was working fine, and i installed ubuntustudio and something is not working, and i dont know how to fix it'
[17:50] <holstein> theres no reason to get into uncharted territory
[17:50] <holstein> just use the buntu you have
[17:50] <holstein> and add what you want/need
[17:50] <l0n3w0lf> perhaps I will install Xubuntu and then just install ubuntustudio -audio...
[17:50] <holstein> yup, thats a good way to go, and to see whats on the way
[17:50] <l0n3w0lf> indeed
[17:50] <l0n3w0lf> :)
[17:50] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: you can get involved in testing too if you want
[17:50] <holstein> and install xubuntu 11.10
[17:51] <l0n3w0lf> I would love to get involved... I have been looking to get involved, but my programming skills are lacking, so I wasn't sure where to start...
[17:51] <holstein> since thats what we will (bascially) be releasing
[17:51] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: testing is important too
[17:51] <holstein> it can be challenging though
[17:51] <holstein> and i wouldnt do it on my production machine
[17:51] <l0n3w0lf> alrighty... perhaps I will download xubuntu 11.10 to an extra computer tonight after work...
[17:51] <holstein> i have 10.04 installed there, and dont plan on moving til 12.04
[17:52] <holstein> but, my testing machine will have 11.10 xubuntu + the studio apps
[17:52] <l0n3w0lf> holstein: are you part of the studio team?
[17:53] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: sure :)
[17:53] <holstein> you are too if you want to be
[17:53] <l0n3w0lf> nice
[17:53] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: /j #ubuntustudio-devel if you want
[17:53] <l0n3w0lf> when you test a release... to what or whom do you report issues?
[17:53] <holstein> its actually going to be a while til we have a UI to test
[17:54] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: i would come to the -devel channel first right now
[17:54] <holstein> or the -devel mailing list
[17:54] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[17:55] <holstein> bugreports would be next, but for now, the UI is still being tweaked
[17:55] <l0n3w0lf> alrighty... well I have to run out for a half hour or so... if you're still on when I get back, I'll talk to you then... thanks and I hope to talk to you again soon :)
[17:55] <l0n3w0lf> boss is a callin
[17:55] <holstein> l0n3w0lf: o/
[18:36] <l0n3w0lf> back
[18:39] <orngjce223> Hey again
[18:39] <l0n3w0lf> howdie
[20:15] <Strayfolkx> if I install US 11.04 today, which kernel would I use per default?
[20:16] <holstein> -generic
[20:16] <Strayfolkx> number?
[20:16] <holstein> the same one that comes with ubuntu
[20:16] <Strayfolkx> it says 2.6.38 on Distrowatch, for instance
[20:16] <holstein> 2.6.38?
[20:16] <holstein> pretty sure
[20:16] <Strayfolkx> but is the 2.6.39 kernel ready for update
[20:16] <holstein> define ready
[20:17] <Strayfolkx> so I could update to it?
[20:17] <holstein> well, its linux
[20:17] <holstein> so, you can do what you want
[20:17] <holstein> anytime :)
[20:17] <Strayfolkx> is it in the repos already?
[20:17] <holstein> im not sure
[20:17] <Strayfolkx> can I try the 2.6.39 with 10.04?
[20:17] <holstein> id have to boot that machine, and try it
[20:17] <holstein> Strayfolkx: again, its linux
[20:17] <holstein> you can do what you want
[20:18] <Strayfolkx> I just find a .deb?
[20:18] <holstein> hmm, not sure about that
[20:18] <holstein> Strayfolkx: ive used the mainline kernels before
[20:18] <holstein> those were .debs
[20:27] <Strayfolkx> it's not available for lucid
[20:27] <Strayfolkx> ...leastways in the mainline kernel ppa
[20:29] <holstein> ive never added the ppa
[20:30] <holstein> ive just gone and gotten the .deb that i wanted
[20:30] <holstein> and installed it
[20:31] <Strayfolkx> k. is there a magic command to print my installed packages?
[20:32] <Strayfolkx> as a reminder after update....
[20:33] <holstein> you can save a list from synaptic AFAIK
[20:47] <Strayfolkx> can't figure it out, sorry
[20:48] <Strayfolkx> bah, I'm gonna do a fresh install tonight
[20:48] <Strayfolkx> wish me luck
[20:49] <Strayfolkx> I'm downloading ubuntu studio 11.04 and will be adding kxstudio and necessary gfx drivers
[21:22] <Strayfolkx> ok, see you on the other side of update
[23:11] <Strayfolk> running 11.04 with 2.6.39 now. everything works. no realtime audio yet
[23:11] <Strayfolk> I didn't install the audio suite with ubuntu studio, I wanted to choose the programs myself
[23:12] <orngjce223> Cool
[23:12] <Strayfolk> do you know how to allow jack in realtime mode?
[23:13] <holstein> when you install JACK, you will see a popup
[23:13] <Strayfolk> I didn't
[23:13] <holstein> just answer there that you want RT in JACK
[23:13] <holstein> Strayfolk: then, dont worry about it
[23:13] <holstein> just run JACK
[23:13] <Strayfolk> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 4E9CFF4E
[23:14] <Strayfolk> oh sorry
[23:14] <Strayfolk> ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: libffado 2.999.0-1984M built May 25 2011 22:15:24
[23:14] <Strayfolk> ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421908: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 154] Start: Cannot create realtime thread (1: Operation not permitted)
[23:14] <Strayfolk> [0mERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421930: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 155] Start:  priority: 77
[23:14] <holstein> theres a checkbox in JACK setop
[23:14] <holstein> you probably wont be able to get RT with ffado
[23:14] <holstein> i couldn with my tests
[23:14] <holstein> couldnt*
[23:15] <Strayfolk> hmmm
[23:15] <holstein> just try gksudo qjackctl
[23:15] <holstein> then, you can trouble shoot if the hardware will work or not, without worrying about permissions
[23:16] <holstein> THEN, you can troubleshoot permissions, and get JACK running non-root
[23:21] <Strayfolk> ok, so it works with gksu
[23:21] <holstein> cool
[23:21] <holstein> so, you just start troubleshooting permissions then
[23:21] <holstein> make sure you are in the audio group and whatever else you need
[23:26] <Strayfolkx> now it works
[23:26] <Strayfolkx> :)
[23:26] <holstein> im not a professional, but i play one in TV ;)
[23:26] <holstein> on*
[23:26] <Strayfolkx> you're good
[23:27] <Strayfolkx> you've helped me before
[23:27]  * holstein tips hat
[23:27] <holstein> i do what i can
[23:27] <Strayfolkx> It's just good to have people to talk to when you're in a sweat
[23:27] <Strayfolkx> overall, this kernel + version seems to work better for me
[23:28] <holstein> yeah, theres noticable progress for sure
[23:28] <Strayfolkx> let's see about audio performance, I'll report back later
[23:28] <holstein> sure, theres 2 more kernels to try
[23:28] <holstein> at least
[23:28] <holstein> IF needed
[23:28] <Strayfolkx> hope not :)
[23:29] <Strayfolkx> jack's been running idle now for 3 minutes without xruns
[23:29] <Strayfolkx> that's something :)
[23:29] <holstein> sure
[23:31] <Strayfolkx> running a big renoise project @ 8 ms without xruns yet
[23:32] <Strayfolkx> yesterday @ preempt @ 64 ms there were one xrun every minute or so
[23:35] <Strayfolkx> beats my previous setup at least!
[23:35] <Strayfolkx> at last!
[23:35] <holstein> yeah, its nice to get it dialed in, and get some work done :)