[17:37] is Unity part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio 11.04? [17:38] l0n3w0lf: hey [17:38] hi there [17:38] unity will be in the repos [17:39] gnome is the default DE [17:39] 11.10 will be XFCE [17:39] if you are running ubuntu 11.04 [17:39] and looking for a gnome environment, theres the 'classic mode' or whatever its called [17:39] thats gnome2 [17:39] ah, good... I don't want to run Unity with Ubuntu Studio... didn't see on the website where it mentioned what it was running [17:40] yeah, we are working on the site currently [17:40] l0n3w0lf: ubuntu = ubuntustudio [17:40] No worries [17:40] you dont need to install ubuntustudio if you already have ubuntu [17:40] !vanilla [17:40] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [17:40] or just search in whatever package manager for ubuntustudio [17:41] ubottu: saw that... my current ubuntu install has that unity, and I don't want it... if I understand correctly, downloading and installing Studio and it will be using Gnome 2? [17:41] l0n3w0lf: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:42] l0n3w0lf: well, thats what im saying [17:42] you dont need to download and install anything [17:42] you have gnome2 as an option [17:42] ok [17:42] at the login screen, you choose the classic environment [17:43] thats gnome2 [17:43] IF you want the ubuntstudio themeing and all that [17:43] sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop [17:43] no need to wipe or reinstall [17:43] great, I'll check that out [17:43] l0n3w0lf: enjoy :) [17:43] Unity runs slow, and that's upsetting because I have a quad core with 8GBs of RAM... [17:44] holstein: thank you [17:44] theres a 2d version of unity [17:44] yeah [17:44] i think its just called unity2d [17:44] unity-2d ? [17:44] something like thta [17:44] i havent checked it out though personally [17:44] I've got no interest in it... I was perfectly happy with gnome [17:44] although XCFE has been growing on me [17:45] yeah, im looking forward tot he switch [17:45] you can always install xubuntu-desktop as well :) [17:46] but if I install Xubuntu -desktop I will still need to run gnome 2 in studio right? [17:46] nah [17:46] l0n3w0lf: ubuntustudio is just a collection of packages [17:46] like the other spins too really [17:47] for example, if you use JACK and ardour, and thats what you want [17:47] yeah [17:47] JACK and ardour are in the ubuntustudio-audio metapacakge [17:47] Yeah [17:47] you can have xubuntu, or ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed [17:47] well, that certainly gives me a lot of options... [17:47] and install ubuntustudio-audio [17:47] OR [17:47] I'm xubuntu + a couple of the audio tools [17:47] just install JACK and ardour [17:48] the ubuntustudio-desktop package is the package with the themeing and all that [17:48] the "sound" version was the one I was going to try first... I do alot with audio... [17:48] for all intents and purposes, you can have kubuntu installed [17:48] Really just jack + qjackctl + LMMS + every ladspa plugin I could get my hands on [17:48] and install ubuntustudio-audio [17:48] Yeah [17:48] Also ubuntustudio-audio-plugins if you want those [17:48] and the gnome libs will 0of course be pulled in [17:48] but, everything will work fine [17:48] nice [17:48] yup [17:48] its really up to you [17:49] but, there are some differences [17:49] i usually suggest tothe casual desktop user wanting some audio apps to just add the apps [17:49] i see in here alot 'ubuntu was working fine, and i installed ubuntustudio and something is not working, and i dont know how to fix it' [17:50] theres no reason to get into uncharted territory [17:50] just use the buntu you have [17:50] and add what you want/need [17:50] perhaps I will install Xubuntu and then just install ubuntustudio -audio... [17:50] yup, thats a good way to go, and to see whats on the way [17:50] indeed [17:50] :) [17:50] l0n3w0lf: you can get involved in testing too if you want [17:50] and install xubuntu 11.10 [17:51] I would love to get involved... I have been looking to get involved, but my programming skills are lacking, so I wasn't sure where to start... [17:51] since thats what we will (bascially) be releasing [17:51] l0n3w0lf: testing is important too [17:51] it can be challenging though [17:51] and i wouldnt do it on my production machine [17:51] alrighty... perhaps I will download xubuntu 11.10 to an extra computer tonight after work... [17:51] i have 10.04 installed there, and dont plan on moving til 12.04 [17:52] but, my testing machine will have 11.10 xubuntu + the studio apps [17:52] holstein: are you part of the studio team? [17:53] l0n3w0lf: sure :) [17:53] you are too if you want to be [17:53] nice [17:53] l0n3w0lf: /j #ubuntustudio-devel if you want [17:53] when you test a release... to what or whom do you report issues? [17:53] its actually going to be a while til we have a UI to test [17:54] l0n3w0lf: i would come to the -devel channel first right now [17:54] or the -devel mailing list [17:54] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel [17:55] bugreports would be next, but for now, the UI is still being tweaked [17:55] alrighty... well I have to run out for a half hour or so... if you're still on when I get back, I'll talk to you then... thanks and I hope to talk to you again soon :) [17:55] boss is a callin [17:55] l0n3w0lf: o/ [18:36] back [18:39] Hey again [18:39] howdie [20:15] if I install US 11.04 today, which kernel would I use per default? [20:16] -generic [20:16] number? [20:16] the same one that comes with ubuntu [20:16] it says 2.6.38 on Distrowatch, for instance [20:16] 2.6.38? [20:16] pretty sure [20:16] but is the 2.6.39 kernel ready for update [20:16] define ready [20:17] so I could update to it? [20:17] well, its linux [20:17] so, you can do what you want [20:17] anytime :) [20:17] is it in the repos already? [20:17] im not sure [20:17] can I try the 2.6.39 with 10.04? [20:17] id have to boot that machine, and try it [20:17] Strayfolkx: again, its linux [20:17] you can do what you want [20:18] I just find a .deb? [20:18] hmm, not sure about that [20:18] Strayfolkx: ive used the mainline kernels before [20:18] those were .debs [20:27] it's not available for lucid [20:27] ...leastways in the mainline kernel ppa [20:29] ive never added the ppa [20:30] ive just gone and gotten the .deb that i wanted [20:30] and installed it [20:31] k. is there a magic command to print my installed packages? [20:32] as a reminder after update.... [20:33] you can save a list from synaptic AFAIK [20:47] can't figure it out, sorry [20:48] bah, I'm gonna do a fresh install tonight [20:48] wish me luck [20:49] I'm downloading ubuntu studio 11.04 and will be adding kxstudio and necessary gfx drivers [21:22] ok, see you on the other side of update === darkmatter1 is now known as darkmatter [23:11] running 11.04 with 2.6.39 now. everything works. no realtime audio yet [23:11] I didn't install the audio suite with ubuntu studio, I wanted to choose the programs myself [23:12] Cool [23:12] do you know how to allow jack in realtime mode? [23:13] when you install JACK, you will see a popup [23:13] I didn't [23:13] just answer there that you want RT in JACK [23:13] Strayfolk: then, dont worry about it [23:13] just run JACK [23:13] sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 4E9CFF4E [23:14] oh sorry [23:14] ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: libffado 2.999.0-1984M built May 25 2011 22:15:24 [23:14] ERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421908: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 154] Start: Cannot create realtime thread (1: Operation not permitted) [23:14] [0mERROR: messagebuffer not initialized: 01754421930: [31mError (PosixThread.cpp)[ 155] Start: priority: 77 [23:14] theres a checkbox in JACK setop [23:14] you probably wont be able to get RT with ffado [23:14] i couldn with my tests [23:14] couldnt* [23:15] hmmm [23:15] just try gksudo qjackctl [23:15] then, you can trouble shoot if the hardware will work or not, without worrying about permissions [23:16] THEN, you can troubleshoot permissions, and get JACK running non-root [23:21] ok, so it works with gksu [23:21] cool [23:21] so, you just start troubleshooting permissions then [23:21] make sure you are in the audio group and whatever else you need [23:26] now it works [23:26] :) [23:26] im not a professional, but i play one in TV ;) [23:26] on* [23:26] you're good [23:27] you've helped me before [23:27] * holstein tips hat [23:27] i do what i can [23:27] It's just good to have people to talk to when you're in a sweat [23:27] overall, this kernel + version seems to work better for me [23:28] yeah, theres noticable progress for sure [23:28] let's see about audio performance, I'll report back later [23:28] sure, theres 2 more kernels to try [23:28] at least [23:28] IF needed [23:28] hope not :) [23:29] jack's been running idle now for 3 minutes without xruns [23:29] that's something :) [23:29] sure [23:31] running a big renoise project @ 8 ms without xruns yet [23:32] yesterday @ preempt @ 64 ms there were one xrun every minute or so [23:35] beats my previous setup at least! [23:35] at last! [23:35] yeah, its nice to get it dialed in, and get some work done :)