[10:48] <plantoschka> are there any plans to use systemd as default in ubuntu? or will canonical use their own upstart?
[10:49] <micahg> plantoschka: upstart will remain the default through 12.04
[10:51] <plantoschka> ok, thanks :)
[14:04] <charlie-tca> Good morning / Good afternoon
[14:04] <charlie-tca> sound is back! 
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Tests to run today - https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CP282scF#gid=0
[16:01] <charlie-tca> http://pad.lv/795575
[16:16] <mr_pouit> I replied
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Any thing we can actually do?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> It was as much for tracking as anything else.
[16:20] <mr_pouit> yup, filing a bug is always a good idea (and I had forgotten about the specific ubuntu-gdm feature we use)
[16:20] <charlie-tca> trying, at least :-)
[16:21] <mr_pouit> I added a quick workaround, you might want to try it
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I will do that. Thanks.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I have to try the workaround on hardware. It fails in VBox
[17:41] <knome> charlie-tca, pleia2: http://blog.knome.fi/picslide-demo/
[17:41] <pleia2> knome: how many seconds is on that now?
[17:41] <knome> pleia2, 8,5
[17:42] <knome> you can now add this as widget or shortcode
[17:42] <knome> as you can see, if you scroll the page
[17:42] <knome> it loads any attachment images for the page/article in the slideshow
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Would it replace slideshow or is it for the website?
[17:43] <knome> that's for the website
[17:44] <charlie-tca> I like that idea! It seems like an attention getter :-)
[17:44] <knome> yeah, and a good way to polish my js/jquery skills
[17:44] <charlie-tca> We need some flashy stuff
[17:44] <knome> hopefully not Flash(tm)y :)
[17:49] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:52] <charlie-tca> right, you got it :-)
[17:54] <knome> so pleia2... can we have some more upload rights on the server?
[17:54] <pleia2> knome: more?
[17:54] <knome> pleia2, i need wordpress to be able to upload images via the media buttons
[17:55] <pleia2> oh sure, just tell me what www-data needs to be able to write to
[17:55] <knome> let me check
[17:56] <pleia2> I'll give it knome:www-data rw
[17:56] <knome> Unable to create directory /srv/www/xubuntu.princessleia.com/htdocs/wp-content/uploads/2011/06
[17:56] <knome> i'll also make it possible to change the header logo via the admin
[17:57] <charlie-tca> GridCube: any idea how to create a link on google docs spreadsheet?
[17:57] <pleia2> knome: try now?
[17:57] <knome> better!
[17:59] <GridCube> mmm
[18:00] <GridCube> charlie-tca, http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=44660
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Thaks
[18:03] <charlie-tca> thanks, too. I will try it
[18:06] <charlie-tca> has to be all by itself to work
[18:08] <pleia2> charlie-tca: think you could take a look at this this week? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784165
[18:08] <pleia2> I know qa is your thing :)
[18:08] <pleia2> and that page is /really bad/
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/ <- that page is *really bad*
[18:13] <pleia2> knome: no, it's lovely! (and not finished yet)
[18:13] <knome> probably need to disable the effect if there is only one list element
[18:13] <pleia2> hehe, yeah
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, try to upload any image as attachment to the home page now
[18:14] <charlie-tca> looking
[18:14] <knome> and set the title and optionally description for the image when uploaded
[18:16] <pleia2> knome: neat :D
[18:16] <knome> pleia2, isn't it!
[18:16] <knome> hacked that together yesterday+today
[18:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Xubuntu will now be formally part of the release team meetings. We will be on their agenda.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> We are mivin
[18:17] <knome> mivin? :)
[18:17] <charlie-tca> we are moving up in the world
[18:17] <charlie-tca> new words get invented as I go ;-)
[18:24] <knome> okay, so if the page only has one image, the effect shouldn't appear
[18:24] <knome> well, that's not completely true, since as you can have multiple sliders, it only looks if the first slider has one or more
[18:25] <knome> but usually you only should have one slider, so no problem (even this multiple-thing is an "additional feature")
[18:25] <pleia2> new_words++
[18:27] <knome> pleia2, the main menu (in the header) is going to be a PITA, since i don't want to do the same hack to add the images with css to specific id elements
[18:27] <knome> pleia2, that means i have to extend the menu plugin to be able to insert an image (there are some plugins for that yeah, but i don't know if they are all image-replacement)
[18:28] <pleia2> goodie
[18:28] <knome> or, then we can just leave the images out
[18:28] <pleia2> maybe we just have a static menu?
[18:28] <pleia2> no I looooove the images
[18:28] <knome> heh
[18:28] <knome> well
[18:28] <knome> i want to do it with the menu-feature
[18:28] <knome> so updating is as easy as possible
[18:29] <knome> since canonical doesn't want to allow us any access to the server anyways, except wordpress admin ;)
[18:29] <pleia2> yeah, but I think for that top menu static isn't too horrible, how often do we really want to change it? I'm hoping never :)
[18:29] <knome> me neither, but then again, it's a good place to improve your skills
[18:30] <knome> and *knowing* that it's static is not so good ;)
[18:30] <pleia2> fair enough
[18:30] <knome> maybe we could work it out as a "sidebar"
[18:30] <knome> add one widget per menu item
[18:30] <pleia2> I'm just trying to keep in mind that the more customizations we have the longer it'll take for the theme to be reviewed and approved
[18:31] <knome> bear in mind that we do need to approve the plugin as well, if canonical is concerned ;)
[18:31] <pleia2> yep
[18:32] <charlie-tca> So, you want me to re-write the testing part of the website?
[18:32]  * charlie-tca might be *that* slow today
[18:32] <knome> i think we need to rewrite most of the website anyway
[18:32] <knome> ;)
[18:33] <knome> anyway, bbl
[18:33] <knome> going to play some ps3
[18:33] <charlie-tca> How much do you want? just a paragraph, or a whole bunch?
[18:33] <charlie-tca> and, written in html, or plain text?
[18:33] <pleia2> charlie-tca: well, as far as I can tell almost everything on xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing is out of date, so we want to make it not out of date
[18:33] <pleia2> plain text is fine, I can htmlize it
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will do it this weekend
[18:34] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:34] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I have to write up a page for the release team meetings, too
[18:34] <pleia2> it's up to you whether you want it to be a long page again, or just link to qa tracker stuff and launchpad, etc
[18:34] <pleia2> just something so it's not mentioning malone and stuff that is wrong :)
[18:35] <charlie-tca> we're getting some new stuff going, so I won't know until I actually write it what it will say
[18:35] <pleia2> yeah, I think for now we can probably just update to say "check out the qa tracker!" and then later update it more with the new processes
[18:36] <charlie-tca> That works for milestone testing
[18:37] <pleia2> it currently links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing which is still accurate
[18:37] <pleia2> so we can keep that link too for non-milestone testing
[18:37] <charlie-tca> well, mostly, anywayh
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I probably need to write the changes to that, too, huh?
[18:40] <pleia2> probably
[18:41] <pleia2> it seems like our community is growing in this world of unity, so now is probably a good time to make sure our contributor docs are in order :)
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Yes, I will agree with that
[18:41] <charlie-tca> We seem to growing a bit at that
[18:42] <charlie-tca> wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu is aimed at development and contributors, the website is aimed at users?
[18:42] <GridCube> XD unity actually broke the ubuntu community, i dont really know if thats fun or sad
[18:42] <charlie-tca> They will be back. When people realize what a change Gnome3 is, they return to unity
[18:43] <GridCube> XD
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Anyone testing the images today?
[18:45] <charlie-tca> I threw in the OEM and FreeSoftware installs, so we get used to them. We don't test them for milestones, so we have to find out if they work on the daily testing
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I think I will try google docs for the website update pages too, it seems like an easy way to share docs.
[18:48] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I'd say the website is mostly for users, but I think (people can disagree) keeping basic "get involved" stuff on the website is a good idea since users can always become contributors, and it helps people know that it's a community effort
[18:48]  * pleia2 notices that even on the mailing lists people invoke canonical when they talk about things *headdesk*
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I agree with that. Users become contributors by finding out they are allowed
[18:49] <pleia2> I think cody is the only one of us who works for canonical, and he's not a dev anymore
[18:49] <pleia2> for xubuntu
[18:49] <charlie-tca> heh, you saw that too, huh. I'm still hoping it isn't go to be Canonical very often for us
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Well, I am going shovel compost again. More fun
[18:51] <pleia2> have fun :)
[19:22] <GridCube> charlie-tca, :) wan't me to test alternate 386?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:47] <charlie-tca> seen the spreadsheet tracker ?
[19:47] <micahg> pleia2: I work for canonical now :)
[19:48] <pleia2> oh, cool :)
[19:48] <charlie-tca> That's right, and he is a Xubuntu dev
[19:49] <micahg> well, not a xubuntu-dev yet, I'm a dev that does some things for Xubuntu in his free time :)
[19:49] <pleia2> so people can blame canonical for bugs!
[19:49] <pleia2> ;)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> yay!
[19:50] <micahg> nope, this is off the clock except for ISO testing I think :)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> at the very least, blame micahg 
[19:50] <pleia2> hehe
[19:50]  * micahg goes back and hides
[19:51]  * charlie-tca thinks every distro should have someone that readily gets the blame
[19:51]  * micahg thought that's what the Project Lead was for :P
[19:51] <xrdodrx> ^
[19:51]  * charlie-tca thought the Project Lead was supposed to find the person to blame
[19:51] <micahg> that or the Release Manager
[19:52] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:52] <micahg> you could blame the QA manager as well for not finding enough bugs :P
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Doesn't PL appoint the people to do stuff? 
[19:52] <charlie-tca> That QA guy probably has a lot of excuses lined up, too ;-)
[19:53] <micahg> sure, but the buck usually stops with the PL on smaller projects
[19:53] <charlie-tca> well, I'm speechless :-)
[19:53] <pleia2> hehe
[19:55]  * GridCube is testing oneiric-alternate-i386.iso
[21:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, the banishment of gdm didn't free up as much space as I would've hoped
[21:08] <charlie-tca> That's because it still pulled nautilus somehow
[21:08] <micahg> k, well, I'll take a look next week
[21:08] <charlie-tca> also, we still have to work out the issue with the sessions, since we have workarounds to force gdm to work for us
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Now we only get Xfce-sessions
[21:09] <micahg> oh, hmm, didn't realize those
[21:09] <charlie-tca> we didn't either
[21:09] <charlie-tca> we forgot about them
[21:09] <micahg> ok, well, I have a short day, so let's discuss on Monday
[21:09] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:09] <charlie-tca> have a good weekend
[21:09] <micahg> thanks, you too
[22:01] <GridCube> question, when installing the "free software only" you dont get a xubuntu desktop? just a xfce desktop?
[22:01] <charlie-tca> um, yup
[22:01] <charlie-tca> right now, you don't ever get the xubuntu session to start
[22:01] <charlie-tca> It is kind of weird
[22:01] <charlie-tca> but it all works, anyway
[22:02] <GridCube> rebooted and panels are not there
[22:02] <charlie-tca> well, that's bad too, then
[22:02] <charlie-tca> bug 795575
[22:02] <charlie-tca> we broke it going to lightdm by default
[22:03] <charlie-tca> The missing panels might be related to the missing session
[22:04] <GridCube> it asked me to create the panels on the first boot
[22:04] <GridCube> but in this second one they are missing
[22:06] <GridTest> http://imagebin.org/157716
[22:06] <charlie-tca> you have to click that button to create it again, don't you?
[22:07] <GridCube> no
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I can't really read what it says
[22:07] <GridCube> it didn't appeaed the second time
[22:08] <GridCube> oh you mean translating it... it says somethign like: Choose downhere what configuration do you want for the first run
[22:08] <charlie-tca> oh, that is the first boot then
[22:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, it  should either give you panels or that same screen again on restarts
[22:09] <GridCube> [default configuration] [empty panels]
[22:09] <GridCube> rebooting
[22:11] <charlie-tca> all these grid??? are you, right?
[22:11] <GridCube> D: its not shuting down
[22:11] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah. That is caused by lightdm crashing. a bug is filed for that too
[22:11] <GridCube> ok
[22:11] <charlie-tca> switch to a tty, using Ctrl+Alt+F2
[22:11] <charlie-tca> login
[22:11] <GridCube> :D alredy did that
[22:12] <charlie-tca> then use      sudo shutdown -r now      to restart
[22:12] <charlie-tca> or      sudo shutdown -P now     to shutdown completely
[22:12] <GridCube> sudo reboot doesnt do the same?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I never remember it
[22:13] <charlie-tca> hm, dasher is broken too now
[22:15] <GridCube> oh the session loging thing is dragable and sizable  (sp?) but there are not shutdown/restart options from there
[22:15] <charlie-tca> yeah, it is a work in progress.
[22:15] <GridCube> this time panels did work
[22:15] <charlie-tca> We want as much testing as possible of the lightdm application.
[22:16] <GridCube> what kind of testing :)
[22:16] <GridCube> tell me and ill try
[22:18] <charlie-tca> the same kind we are doing. Using it, loggin in, etc
[22:18] <charlie-tca> each test you do, you test lightdm
[22:19] <GridCube> :D
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I seem to have been very successful breaking oneiric :-)
[22:21] <GridCube> :D
[22:23] <GridCube> updating isn't working?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> update manager is broken
[22:24] <GridCube> okay
[22:25] <GridCube> so tests are ended
[22:25] <GridCube> do i file pass but whit some panel problems?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> yes, pass it
[22:26] <charlie-tca> panel is not part of it
[22:27] <GridCube> :D do i paint it green?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> heh, no
[22:28] <charlie-tca> just been leaving them black text on white
[22:28] <GridCube> :D
[22:28] <charlie-tca> unless you really want to. Then it is okay
[22:29] <GridCube> copypasted the same that said on other test result because it was the same, including the bug report
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Okeydokey
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that test
[22:30] <GridCube> :D not a problem
[22:30] <GridCube> glad i could help
[22:30] <charlie-tca> We got to keep trying
[22:31] <GridCube> anything to make xubuntu greater i could do :D 
[22:36] <GridCube> lol there are two thunars, one whit the nautilus logo and other whit the thunar logo
[22:37] <charlie-tca> um, click help -> about
[22:37] <charlie-tca> one should be nautilus, pulled in with updates again
[22:42] <GridTest> http://paste.ubuntu.com/623776/
[22:43] <GridTest> something i really, but really, dislike about firefox on ubuntu is that clicking on the address bar doesnt select the text, and that i have to about:config it
[22:43] <charlie-tca> expected errors for this time
[22:44] <charlie-tca> everything is up and down with the switch to 2d, gtk3, and python changes
[22:45] <GridCube> oh but thats just something firefox allways do
[22:45] <GridCube> ok killing the vm :D
[22:45] <GridTest> goodbye!
[22:46] <GridCube> XD ok, shuting down failed again :D
[22:47] <charlie-tca> It should
[22:47] <charlie-tca> At least that is consistent
[22:48] <GridCube> XD yes my exact though
[22:49] <charlie-tca> It's like my logging in. I crash lightdm every single time. It is very consistent, too.
[22:49] <GridCube> XD
[22:51] <charlie-tca> okay, coffee break
[22:52] <GridCube> okay
[22:52] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/157727
[22:53] <GridCube> D: i just >sudo shutdown now             and got this
[22:55] <GridCube> oh sorry for not answering you charlie, yes all the grids where me, from inside the testing machine, because thats easier to share pastebins and imagebins
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Okay, that latest image is recovery mode, got to by holding a key right after bios checks, then selecting recovery menu in grub
[23:36] <charlie-tca> or sometimes it breaks and you get to go there anyway. You really can't usually get to a normal lightdm screen from there, unless you use "sudo lightdm" on the command line
[23:37] <charlie-tca> you should use "sudo shutdown -P now" to shutdown. The -P is power off
[23:37] <charlie-tca> to restart, -r is reboot
[23:44] <GridCube> i did sudo shutdown -h now
[23:44] <GridCube> after that
[23:44] <charlie-tca> h?
[23:44] <micahg> -h is halt
[23:44] <charlie-tca> for halt without power off?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> or is that only on my ancient machines
[23:45] <GridCube> its a virtual machine, and it worked