[00:00] <debfx> yofel: in beta 1 or current git?
[00:00] <yofel> this is beta1
[00:00] <yofel> fixed in git?
[00:00] <debfx> I think so, there was a thread on kde-core-devel about it
[00:00] <yofel> good
[00:02] <yofel> meh, I actually read the first part of the thread and then forgot about it -.-
[00:03]  * debfx uploads pkg-kde-tools and crosses fingers that it doesn't break anything
[00:04] <debfx> that package needs a more extensive test suite
[00:32] <debfx> ScottK: networkmanagement is NEW (source package rename)
[00:33] <yofel> did you intentionally deprecate knm-runtime btw.?
[00:37] <debfx> yofel: the monolithic variant is disabled/unmaintained upstream
[00:37] <yofel> ah, ok
[00:41]  * yofel goes cherry picking patches to disable kdeclarative
[00:46] <debfx> ScottK: could you please also look at virtualbox in NEW? thanks :)
[01:53] <yofel> what should one do again when symbols go missing? (or do we even care about that considering we build with dpkg-gensymbols -c0?)
[02:50]  * yofel uploads kde4libs to ninjas and goes to bed
[09:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: remind me not to do any packaging until I am sober, which is, like in 7 hours
[09:52] <debfx> yofel: you need to investigate if the missing symbols were part of the public API
[11:15] <bulldog98> Hi guys is someone doing kdepim 4.6? I’d like to do that
[11:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are worse than JontheEchidna
[11:30] <apachelogger> bulldog98: someone probably is, best check with yofel
[11:42] <bulldog98> yofel: are you packaging kdepim 4.6?
[12:12] <yofel> morning
[12:22] <yofel> bulldog98: nope, I was doing kdelibs, and if shadeslayer isn't doing it it would be great if you did it. Check with him when he's done with the debian merge
[12:23] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: are you packaging kdepim 4.6?
[12:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: in what way?
[12:23] <bulldog98> yofel: ok thanks for info
[12:24] <bulldog98> yofel: in fact I’m already building kdepim-runtime on my system
[12:25] <bulldog98> yofel: should I package it for oneiric and for natty?
[12:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: drinking
[12:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: please note I am STILL drinking
[12:26] <yofel> bulldog98: for oneiric use the merged packaging from bzr, Jonathan merged -runtime already
[12:27] <yofel> actually since we'll only put the packages into backports you can backport that to natty then
[12:27] <bulldog98> yofel: ah ok
[12:28] <yofel> hm, wait, that's the packaging for 4.4, take the other one then rather
[12:28] <bulldog98> you mean the ubuntu-4.6 branch?
[12:29]  * bulldog98 can’t create a oneiric pbuilder (fail: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/298)
[12:30] <bulldog98> but running debootstrap manually works - strange
[12:31] <yofel> bulldog98: best would be if you could take the oneiric packaging and  use that, I'll be a bit of work though since that's for 4.4, I would prefer that though since it uses dhmk
[12:32] <bulldog98> yofel: ok I’ll look into that
[12:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what I said
[12:34] <Quintasan> Whatever.
[12:35] <Quintasan> skanlite, y u no pdf support?
[12:49]  * Quintasan weeps at plasma mediacenter
[13:28] <yofel> debfx: from what I see 2 public symbols from kjs are missing thanks to http://paste.kde.org/80725
[13:28] <yofel> the others were either private or optional
[13:31]  * yofel -> lunch
[13:35] <bambee> afternoon
[13:36] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/624304/  <---
[13:36] <bambee> wow
[13:37] <bambee> (the problem is probably due to a half-upgraded kde... I don't know)
[13:41] <bambee> mhhh... I will try an aptitude -f install and use its conflict resolver... 
[13:49] <jussi> bambee: just force install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[13:50] <bambee> how ?
[13:50] <jussi> sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb 
[13:50] <jussi> or so.
[13:50] <bambee> mhhh... good idea
[13:50] <jussi> Because its only a file overwrite, it should be fine
[13:50] <jussi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[13:50] <jussi>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0', which is also in package libpowerdevilcore0 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[13:51] <jussi> the run your sudo apt-get install -f
[13:51] <jussi> then*
[13:54] <bambee> well conflict solved :)
[13:54] <bambee> thanks jussi ;)
[13:59]  * bambee reboots
[14:05] <debfx> yofel: those header files aren't installed so it should be ok
[14:06] <yofel> ah ok, forgot to check that...
[14:10] <bambee> jussi: you're my hero :D  (with harald of course :P)
[14:10] <bambee> ^^
[14:23] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: if you want to take it up after i'm done with KDE PIM merge, sure
[14:26] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: is kdepim-runtime save to do?
[14:26] <shadeslayer> i guess
[14:26] <yofel> -runtime was done by jte
[14:26] <bulldog98> I’ve finished that :) should I upload the changes to a new branch of mine?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> right now i can't figure out why our kdepim-dev package isn't built
[14:29] <bulldog98> the translations (should I package them into a seperate package?)
[14:32] <yofel> probably, they conflict with our kde-l10n packages
[14:39] <bulldog98> yofel: I’ll look into that, but for now https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0
[14:59] <yofel> bulldog98: is there anything that needs the -dev stuff? 
[15:03] <shadeslayer> do we need to pass any special flags to get kdepim-dev ? 
[15:03] <shadeslayer> because none of the files in that package are getting built
[15:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am wondering if it did not make more sense to add left over work items to related specs of oneiric
[15:07] <apachelogger> and then have a collection spec for stuff that does not have a related spec in one-ear-rick
[15:09] <cjohnston> o/
[15:09] <apachelogger> cjohnston: welcome
[15:09] <apachelogger> proper is a matter of defintion :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> looking into the blueprints right now
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hi cjohnston
[15:10] <cjohnston> well.. proper for the app
[15:10] <cjohnston> hey shadeslayer 
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw our discussion on the network manager yesterday, what should we do then?
[15:10] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Work items in the whiteboard <-- apachelogger 
[15:10] <apachelogger> cjohnston: can they be prefixed with * or -?
[15:10] <apachelogger> guess not
[15:11] <bulldog98> yofel: no -> goes to not-installed
[15:11] <yofel> bulldog98: that I agree with, but you added a -dev package
[15:12] <cjohnston> apachelogger: if you assign https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-wiki to either a ~kubuntu-dev member, or ~kubuntu-dev it will show up on the team page as well
[15:13] <yofel> anyway, need to go, bbl
[15:13] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:13] <apachelogger> I wonder
[15:14] <apachelogger> cjohnston: why kubuntu-dev?
[15:14] <apachelogger> technically kubuntu-members is the driver of kubuntu
[15:14] <shadeslayer> fooey
[15:15] <cjohnston> because we use kubuntu-dev as the dev team?
[15:16] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/kubuntu-dev.html apachelogger 
[15:19]  * apachelogger is not sure he likes that from a governance pov
[15:20] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-community  when its a team, it needs to be the kubuntu-dev name, not Kubuntu Developers name.. and the blank [] should have kubuntu-dev in them, and then switch them to whomever does them when they do it, or take the work item
[15:20] <cjohnston> apachelogger: its just a team.. 
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[15:21] <cjohnston> kubuntu-dev is afaik how its always been
[15:21] <apachelogger> cjohnston: and yet it is a public page that paints the wrong picture
[15:23] <apachelogger> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-wiki of the seven subscribed people only two are kubuntu-devs
[15:23] <cjohnston> what is the council team name
[15:23] <apachelogger> cjohnston: kubuntu-council
[15:23] <cjohnston> do we want to compare to the ubuntu ones?
[15:23] <apachelogger> cjohnston: compare what?
[15:24] <bulldog98> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0-fixed
[15:24] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[15:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[15:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: unping
[15:25] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-developer-ubuntu-dot-com-plans only has 2 community team members, but over 20 subscribers
[15:27] <apachelogger> also it is not assigned to a team
[15:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: unpong
[15:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could find me a kubuntu-member that is not dev if you have time
[15:27] <cjohnston> it shows up on http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html because it is assigned to David who is a member of the team
[15:27] <apachelogger> people are ever so unresponsive
[15:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: rbelem?
[15:29]  * Quintasan notes we just made him a member
[15:29] <apachelogger> cjohnston: right, so we do not have full-time contributors, thus assigning something to a person unless that person is absolutely motivated and aware of the importance would be poison, additionally since kubuntu is a community driven project the community ought to be the public driver of everything that is not moved forward by an invidual member of the community
[15:30] <apachelogger> now as for the assigning to kubuntu-dev
[15:30] <apachelogger> we have some 7 kubuntu devs
[15:30] <apachelogger> and ~50 official members
[15:30] <Quintasan> sheytan: ping
[15:30] <apachelogger> if something is publically bound to be driven by the 50 members
[15:30] <Quintasan> jussi: lol, Freescale is driving me mad
[15:30] <apachelogger> they are much more likely to feel responsible and get stuff done
[15:31] <Quintasan> mind if I go there with my portable rocket launcher?
[15:31] <apachelogger> if the 7 elitist kubuntu devs are responsible, then the members will go "uh, yeah, who cares, they'll do it"
[15:33] <apachelogger> cjohnston: on a not unrelated not, let's assume kubuntu-dev is assignee, would a kubuntu-member even be able to edit the whiteboard?
[15:33] <cjohnston> yup
[15:33] <cjohnston> I am editing the whiteboards
[15:33] <cjohnston> I have fixed 5 or 6 of the BPs
[15:33] <cjohnston> On the whiteboard, you can assign the work items to kubuntu-members.. thats fine
[15:34] <cjohnston> but to get it to show up on the "Team" page, and not just on the topic page, the entire blueprint (not the white board items) needs to be assigned to a member of kubuntu-dev or kubuntu-dev itself
[15:35] <apachelogger> cjohnston: sounds fair enough
[15:35] <apachelogger> (for now) :P
[15:35] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review  is assigned to David.. I don't know if he is a member of kubuntu-dev or not.. but anyone can have any of the work items
[15:35] <cjohnston> and anyone can edit them
[15:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger:  What packages will have Gluon rdepends?
[15:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:36] <apachelogger> why would I know?
[15:36]  * Quintasan investigates
[15:37]  * Quintasan goes apeshit over 500 errors on Wiki
[15:40]  * apachelogger goes apeshit over not booting quickstart board
[15:41]  * Quintasan goes apeshit over not having one
[15:41] <apachelogger> jussi: ping ping ping ping ping did you get yoru board to boot?
[15:42]  * apachelogger needs to order a rs-232 somewhere
[15:43] <cjohnston> i need to order my board
[15:43] <cjohnston> DarkwingDuck: ping
[15:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what board?
[15:44] <cjohnston> arm board I assumed is what he was referring to shadeslayer 
[15:44] <shadeslayer> right, but which one? :D
[15:45] <apachelogger> freescale quickstart
[15:45] <shadeslayer> there are like a ton of them in the market
[15:45] <cjohnston> apachelogger: some of the blueprints are setup better.. now im getting emails with the errors on them instead of them just being ignored
[15:46] <shadeslayer> "The system is currently unavailable due to system upgrades. Access will be available on Saturday, June 11th, 2011 at 11:30 AM MST. "
[15:46] <shadeslayer> sigh
[16:00] <cjohnston> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624391/  is the current list of issues with the kubuntu blueprints formatting.. I only did about 5 blueprints though, so I'm sure there are more when someone cleans them up
[16:18] <ScottK> debfx: Will look at New.
[16:18] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[16:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought the wiki was fine, so whatever you want on the work items.
[16:19] <ScottK> Maybe everyone should ping apachelogger at the same time.
[16:26] <ScottK> debfx: Why did you rename these sources?
[16:34] <debfx> ScottK: I've followed Debian
[16:35] <debfx> I'm not too happy with the name though, it couldn't be more generic
[16:37] <jussi> apachelogger: harald harald harald... I havent had  a moment spare to check. DOing first boot now :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> if it works plz dd your sd and upload/torrent to me
[16:40] <debfx> ScottK: that was about networkmanagement
[16:41] <apachelogger> jussi: it appears to properly init to the kbd, but that is about it, due to lack of rs 232 cable I also cannot say what the problem is
[16:41] <apachelogger> probably my linaro uboot is kaputt
[16:41] <ScottK> debfx: How about virtualbox then?
[16:41] <debfx> I've renamed virtualbox-ose to virtualbox because there is no OSE (Open Source Edition) anymore
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.
[16:43] <apachelogger> cjohnston: I'll have a look at them in a bit
[16:47] <cjohnston> ty
[16:53] <jussi> apachelogger: mine shows nothing on the screen :/
[16:53] <jussi> apachelogger: on monday Ill ask how its do be
[16:53] <jussi> done
[16:57] <ScottK> debfx: Do you have a fix for the armel/cmake issue?
[16:58] <apachelogger> jussi: did you use the microsd?
[16:58] <apachelogger> cause I figure it will only look on the microsd slot
[16:58] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah
[16:59] <apachelogger> jussi: keyboard plugged in?
[17:00] <apachelogger> cjohnston: desktop-o-kubuntu-accessibility in order and desktop-o-kubuntu-community too
[17:00] <cjohnston> sweet
[17:01] <cjohnston> so far up to 37 work items.. thats an improvement as its more than were there earlier
[17:02] <jussi> apachelogger: yup
[17:02] <apachelogger> ok, I had the same problem here
[17:03] <apachelogger> I'll get an rs 232 cable next week, otherwise this is pretty much undebugable
[17:03] <jussi> apachelogger: you know that you can get images from the freescale site? (see the "getting started" page of the instruction booklet)
[17:03] <cjohnston> apachelogger: i finished making them atleast all follow the right format (for any that i could tell had work items, some i wasnt sure if they did)... that just means ill get more error email until everything else gets fixed
[17:04] <apachelogger> cjohnston: is there a reason why community does not show up on the work items yet?
[17:04] <jussi> oh lol
[17:04] <jussi> freescale are doing system updates...
[17:04] <cjohnston> it updates at 33 after the hour
[17:04] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[17:05] <apachelogger> jussi: I always liked TI better :P :P :P
[17:05] <jussi> apachelogger: sssh. I like freescale :)
[17:05] <cjohnston> actually apachelogger... its a problem thats above us..  I'll get it taken care of
[17:06] <apachelogger> jussi: trying to blindly set uboot env now :P
[17:06] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/80815
[17:06] <apachelogger> this ought to be fun
[17:06] <Quintasan> anyone can enlighten me how to deal with this?
[17:06] <Quintasan> the lib gets installed but somehow is not discovered by shlibs :S
[17:07] <apachelogger> or perhaps not :O
[17:07] <apachelogger> for some reasn it does not like the new rootfs I made :(
[17:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is because it is in the same source package
[17:08] <apachelogger> so if shlibs tries to resolve one before the other it cannot find teh symbols
[17:08] <cjohnston> apachelogger: fwiw, if two people have the same task, [user1/user2] doesnt work.. needs to be two seperate lines
[17:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: urgh, how I am supposed to deal with it then?
[17:09] <apachelogger> cjohnston: now that is jolly ugly
[17:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see kdelibs or workspace or kdebase
[17:09] <apachelogger> one of them applies magic
[17:10] <apachelogger> jussi: do you have sufficient bandwith to dd and image of your sd and send it somewhere
[17:10] <apachelogger> I am not quite sure the replication I did is working as the keyboard does apparently not get powa
[17:10] <jussi> apachelogger: Not really, Im on a 2/2 connection. However, I can try a little later tonight. also, im headed out ow, will grab a rs232 rom work and debug when I get home
[17:11] <apachelogger> oh, cool, ok o/
[17:12] <Quintasan> libpkgs_gen_strict_local_shlibs = $(libpkgs_all_packages)  ?
[17:15] <bulldog98> has someone time to do a merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0/+merge/64306
[17:17] <debfx> ScottK: changing the regex to not hardcode any parts should work as a temporary fix
[17:18] <ScottK> debfx: If you could make a debdiff, I'd be glad to sponsor it, but I'm a bit distracted by $WORK to try and figure it out.
[17:18] <ScottK> bulldog98: Did the 4.4.11 merge from Debian get done?
[17:18] <ScottK> Nevermind.  I see it did.
[17:19]  * ScottK goes back to trying to figure things out.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> uhm
[17:24] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: dude, you're supposed to resolve the conflicts
[17:25] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: for eg. line 5
[17:30] <Quintasan> FFFFFFUUUUUU-
[17:35] <apachelogger> skaet: desktop-o-kubuntu-filesharing is not a dependency of topic-oneiric-kubuntu
[17:35] <apachelogger> thought it should be :)
[17:39] <apachelogger> Internal Server Error
[17:39] <apachelogger> woohoo
[17:39] <apachelogger> moinmoin--
[17:40] <Quintasan> god damn it 
[17:40] <cjohnston> new error list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624449/
[17:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: this is some seriously well hidden magic
[17:41] <cjohnston> apachelogger: the wiki internal service errors were killing the status.u.c script :-/
[17:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, yes, of sorts, modularization will take care of those issues ;)
[17:43] <apachelogger> cjohnston: they are killing me too :S
[17:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well hidden as in I still can't find it
[17:43] <apachelogger> lol
[17:45] <Quintasan> FFS
[17:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I supposed the merge for the wrong branch sorry
[17:45] <Quintasan> Freescale has really bad support
[17:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what be the problem?
[17:52] <Quintasan> With Freescale or my package?
[17:52] <apachelogger> both I suppose
[17:53] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/80815
[17:53] <Quintasan> and I'm waiting like a whole week for a freaking payment confirmation form Freescale
[17:53] <Quintasan> So I can finally get my arrrrm board
[17:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there should be one *inside* the package
[17:55] <Quintasan> package - refers to Gluon magic
[17:55] <apachelogger> yeah, the freescale package I mean
[17:58] <apachelogger> cjohnston: 
[17:58] <apachelogger> [JontheEchidna] Investigate splitting kwin stuff out from kdebase-workspace-bin: TODO
[17:58] <apachelogger>      - Requires communication with Debian
[17:58] <apachelogger> [JontheEchidna] Talk with upstream about reducing KDE dependencies of KWin: TODO
[17:58] <apachelogger> is that valid?
[18:06] <apachelogger> cjohnston: kwin-opengles done, mobile done, lightdm done, filesharing done, installer done, defaults done, council done
[18:15] <cjohnston> sweet apachelogger.. I'll let you know if I get any more emails with issues :-) Thanks for your help!
[18:20] <apachelogger> sure
[18:21] <yofel> meh, smokegen come without any COPYING or like file :S
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sorta valid
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kde-window-manager ships with the oxygen kwin style, which depends on liboxygenstyle in kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> so it's not really a problem with upstream, other than the unknown nature of liboxygenstyle's stability
[18:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I meant from a markup perspective ^^
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> though we have the Debian ABI manager magic this is less of an issue packaging-wise
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I guess. Is this something for the charts? You'd probably know more about markup in that regard
[18:28] <cjohnston> up to 59 work items as of the last update.. thats much better
[18:28] <cjohnston> A new one will run in about 5 minutes
[18:35] <yofel> Ninjas: don't feel shy to take a package for 4.7. If we only do a package a day we won't finish this month...
[18:40] <mgraesslin> may I ask what "KDE dependencies" of KWin you are talking about?
[18:40] <cjohnston> apachelogger: JontheEchidna http://paste.ubuntu.com/624491/
[18:40] <cjohnston> Those need to be converted to the LP account
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin:
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> [13:24:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kde-window-manager ships with the oxygen kwin style, which depends on liboxygenstyle in kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> [13:25:02] <JontheEchidna> so it's not really a problem with upstream, other than the unknown nature of liboxygenstyle's stability
[18:42] <mgraesslin> an option would also to split out the oxygen decoration and make kwin depend on it
[18:43] <mgraesslin> I cannot say anothing about the stability of liboxygenstyle except that I would be a rich man if I would get 1 cent for each time oxygen broke my kwin build
[18:49] <ScottK> mgraesslin: In answer to your wayland question the other day, I understand we aren't close to actually doing a lot with it, so no rush on patches.  I do appreciate you asking.
[18:50] <mgraesslin> well currently we cannot do much with it, but I expect that we will be able to do something with it before feature freeze
[18:51] <mgraesslin> and it could be nice to give users something to play with
[18:51] <ScottK> mgraesslin: This is 4.8 feature freeze?
[18:51] <mgraesslin> no I mean Kubuntu feature freeze
[18:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:52] <mgraesslin> 4.8 will ship Wayland support
[18:52] <ScottK> When we get close, I guess we should see if there will be Ubuntu Wayland stuff for people to play with in this cycle.
[18:52] <mgraesslin> yeah
[18:53] <mgraesslin> I expect there will be packages for Wayland server and Mesa 7.11 will be packed
[18:53] <mgraesslin> also maybe Qt 4.8 with Wayland?
[18:53] <ScottK> We'll have 4.8.
[18:54] <ScottK> Dunno what it would need to have it support Wayland?
[18:54] <mgraesslin> maybe just a build flag
[18:54] <mgraesslin> Qt has Wayland support through the lighthouse project
[18:54] <mgraesslin> but I don't know whether it's part of 4.8 or still standalone
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> !info wayland oneiric
[19:09] <mgraesslin> sounds old
[19:09] <mgraesslin> newest code requires Mesa 7.11, so might be blocked by it
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> looks like they upgraded to the latest version that wouldn't require new mesa intentionally for last cycle
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> and it hasn't been updated since
[19:11] <mgraesslin> yeah I remember that there was something like that
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> there might be a newer version in the xorg-edgers ppa
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:13] <mgraesslin> and Wayland is only universe, so that would be a problem, too I expect
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, if things had to link against libwayland-client it would
[19:18] <mgraesslin> no, KWin has to link against libwayland-server
[19:18] <mgraesslin> but the Qt lighthouse port has to link against libwayland-client
[19:21] <apachelogger> jussi: it appears my sd image was kaputt
[19:22] <apachelogger> I replicated a new from scratch and it works now
[19:24]  * mgraesslin hasn't known "kaputt" is valid English
[19:25] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I think it's reasonably well known.
[19:26] <apachelogger> thanks to yiddish I believe
[19:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: google kaput wiktionary
[19:26] <kubotu> Results for kaput wiktionary: 1. kaput - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kaput | 2. Talk:kaput - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:kaput | 3. kaputt - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kaputt
[19:27]  * apachelogger likes how he can play 1080p on the quickstart board but not his atom netbook :P
[19:27]  * markey wonders why he gets mails like these:
[19:27] <markey> "[Merge] lp:~rohangarg/kdeedu/ubuntu into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdeedu/ubuntu"
[19:28] <markey> who's Rohang Arg and what does he want from me?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> markey: launchpad sent that. At the bottom of the email it should tell you why
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> bottomish, at least before it shows the pach
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> "Your team Kubuntu Members is subscribed to branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdeedu/ubuntu."
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> somebody should probably switch that to kubuntu-packagers
[19:30] <shadeslayer> markey: Rohan Garg would be me xD
[19:30] <apachelogger> spamer!
[19:30] <markey> that's one funny name :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:31] <shadeslayer> markey: its quite common here
[19:32] <markey> where would that be? Middle Earth? :)
[19:32] <shadeslayer> markey: India ;)
[19:32] <markey> ah
[19:32] <markey> still better than Harald Sitter :p
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> sitter = somebody who sits on things
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> e.g.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3bZsg5W60U
[19:38] <apachelogger> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/WTJbh.jpg
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oooh
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but ... its ... running GNOME 
[19:40] <apachelogger> why yes, it comes with youbuntoo
[19:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you have to fix that now :)
[19:42] <apachelogger> oh shoot, i might have broken my image again
[19:42]  * apachelogger waves fist at dd
[19:47] <shadeslayer> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/include/libkleopatraclient/core/command.h': No such file or directory
[19:47] <shadeslayer> fooey
[19:49] <shadeslayer> but that file exsists :/
[19:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kdepim?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: yes
[19:59] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: version?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> we have a patch called kubuntu_install_headers that should make that file installable
[19:59] <shadeslayer> 4.4.11
[20:02] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: that file is gone in kdepim 4.6
[20:02] <shadeslayer> probably
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !find command.h natty
[20:03] <shadeslayer> @_@
[20:08] <cpatrick08> i was wondering what the status of kde 4.7 beta was
[20:12] <shadeslayer> cpatrick08: have a look at the topic ;)
[20:44] <cjohnston> cd /31
[20:44] <cjohnston> uggh
[21:50] <cjohnston> Hey guys.. The Documentation BP still needs work :-) thats the only one I am getting errors about
[21:58] <shadeslayer> anyone around to help figure out why libkleoclient/core isn't built in the new KDE PIM ?
[22:06] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[22:06] <sheytan> Quintasan: pong
[22:06] <Riddell> curious e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/80935/
[22:06] <Riddell> warning, it's in French which is worse than mine
[22:06] <Quintasan> sheytan: business cards
[22:06] <Quintasan> :P
[22:06] <Riddell> he's also been texting me
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: google translate makes no sense of it
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how goes it @ bzr
[22:09] <sheytan> Quintasan: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5ftwo0
[22:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you have a look at kdepim if you're free?
[22:10] <Quintasan> I am not free
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ah well
[22:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they're all so elite!
[22:10] <bambee_>  "evening my name is GALVANY, I am living  at << kinshasa ville province de
[22:10] <bambee_> REPUBLIQUE DEMOCRATIQUE DU CONGO>>, I need your help to understand and to exploit your operating system..."
[22:10] <shadeslayer> lolwat
[22:10] <bambee_> I don't understand the other part o_O
[22:11] <shadeslayer> did he really say exploit? :D
[22:11] <bambee_> système d'exploitation = operating system in french
[22:11] <bambee_> :)
[22:12] <bambee_> exploiter = exploit
[22:12] <bambee_> découvrir = discover
[22:12] <bambee_> or understand in this sentence
[22:14] <bambee_> this email does not make sense o_O
[22:22] <sheytan> apachelogger i had another vision for lightdm, get ready
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: any specific errors? I cleaned up quite a few of the nicks earlier
[22:34]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[22:34] <Quintasan> good night
[22:35] <yofel> gn
[22:41] <valorie> sweet dreams Quintasan
[22:51] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624666/ is the email i just got 10 minutes ago
[22:57] <bambee_> 'night
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: thanks, I think I got all of them
[23:02] <cjohnston> sweet.. I'll let you know in an hour or so
[23:02] <cjohnston> ty
[23:02] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: that one long url, could you use goo.gl and shorten it by chance?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: done
[23:04] <afiestas> Question to kde-hardware-mailist: Can we say that we support NM0.9? 
[23:04] <afiestas> answer: > 	Yes, nm09 branch supports everything that the master branch does now.
[23:04] <afiestas> ping me when I can test it with ubuntu packages
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: btw, is there a way we can nudge the burndown line up a bit, since the first few days have inaccurate counts?
[23:05] <yofel> debfx uploaded a snapshot of the nm0.9 branch to oneiric (and experimental PPA)
[23:06] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: you mean the trend line?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: yeah
[23:07] <cjohnston> tell me where you want it set to and I'll make it happen
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: It looks like if the highest point was 49 it would be a more accurate representation of what needs to be done
[23:09] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: lets wait until after the next run (it starts at 33 after) and see where it goes prior to updating it?
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:56] <sheytan> apachelogger ping ping ping
[23:56] <sheytan> fire ping
[23:56] <sheytan> call 911
[23:57] <valorie> isn't that 000 in Europe?
[23:57] <valorie> I thought we were the only ones with the inane 911
[23:57] <valorie> "hello operator, can you tell me the number for 911?"
[23:57] <valorie> - Homer Simpson
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> 112, iirc
[23:58] <valorie> seems like apachelogger would be in bed, or out partying
[23:58] <valorie> if my time-sense has returned
[23:59] <yofel> about right
[23:59] <yofel> it is 112 here in germany, not sure about austria
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> 112 is the whole EU
[23:59] <yofel> good :D