[00:07] <xavier_31> Bonsoir. Première connection. Une question sur Oneiric (Kubuntu 11.10)  et Medibuntu. J'ai installé l'alpha1. RAS. Seulement pas de dépots Oneiric sur medibuntu comme dans le passé. Y a t il un changement? Merci pour votre réponse. A+. Xavier
[00:08] <wildgoose> !fr | xavier_31
[00:09] <OerHeks> Xavier, ubuntu 11.10 support in #Ubuntu+1
[00:10] <xavier_31> Hello. First connexion on the IRC. Just a question about Oneiric (Kubuntu 11.10 alpha 1). Is there a medibuntu repository for Oneric soon or is there a change for medibuntu packages? Thanks for your answers. Xavier
[00:10] <szal> !oneiric
[00:39] <BluesKaj> !ffmpeg
[01:04] <netsurf3_> hey ladies and gents I have an inquiry on the stability of the kubuntu ppa for 10.04 is it likely to break or suffer from stability issues?
[01:05] <netsurf3_> !help
[01:05] <netsurf3_> ah good i can speak in the chan at least :)
[01:07] <OerHeks> kubuntu ppa ?
[01:08] <OerHeks> i dont know what ppa personal package archive you mean, but updates from repository's go fast
[01:30] <netsurf3_> OerHeks, there is a ppa for lucid it only updates to 4.5 afaik
[01:31] <netsurf3_> OerHeks, this is what I am specifically refering to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?start=75&batch=75
[02:09] <zarzar> hello :)
[03:51] <dedDeet> i intend to tri-boot a netbook, Kubuntu, Windows 7 and Windows XP. what would be the best order to install them in to make sure they all boot fine?
[03:55]  * dedDeet leaves this opne to see if anyone answers whilst he sleeps
[04:23] <Newbiathon> yo, this is a bit off topic but here goes.....
[04:27] <Newbiathon> there is this dude in my small town who is a scam artist trying to rip ppl off calling himself a doctor without med schoool. He is claiming to help people with with kids who have drug problems and all on his website, when his own son hates him and moved to Colorado to be a hippy and do drugs. Not only has he tried to sue the county for not getting a raise for a supervisor position, he has tried to sue a local mechanic for messing up
[04:27] <Newbiathon> his 4-wheeler and lost the case of course... it goes on...
[04:30] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[04:30] <Newbiathon> his website claims he is certified (which he is not), pissing off a lot of "REAL" psychologist in the area, he is a avid hunter who kills life as much as he tries to promote it... I want to leave a review on his bogus site  calling him out but should i go through a proxy? This is a small town and what he is doing isn't right; However, I don't want my ip to be involved
[04:30] <LINKSWORD2> I'm in need of some... help...
[04:31] <Newbiathon> think they are sleeping but i dunno
[04:31] <anonboo> LINKSWORD2, Yes you are.
[04:31] <LINKSWORD2> >.>
[04:31] <wildgoose> heheh
[04:32] <LINKSWORD2> Well, let's start with the basics... I have cloned my Kubuntu install to a new harddrive using Clonezilla.
[04:32] <LINKSWORD2> However, Clonezilla created a partition, of the size of the old harddrive, onto the new harddrive.
[04:32] <LINKSWORD2> I want to extend the partition to the whole harddrive.
[04:35] <LINKSWORD2> You with me so far, wildgoose?
[04:36] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Yes, that's not too complicated for me yet.
[04:36] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[04:37] <LINKSWORD2> I have access to many pieces of software, including G.Parted and CloneZilla, so if I need them, I can use them as well.
[04:38] <wildgoose> So have you tried GParted yet?
[04:39] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah.
[04:39] <wildgoose> What was the problem?
[04:40] <LINKSWORD2> I can create a new partition in the unallocated space, but I cannot extend the existing partition that Kubuntu is already on.
[04:40] <wildgoose> Let me guess, you are booting from that partition and trying to edit it.
[04:41] <LINKSWORD2> That is the one I am trying to edit, yes,
[04:41] <LINKSWORD2> However... Shouldn't I be able to edit it if I'm using GParted?
[04:43] <wildgoose> Can you boot from a LiveCD and run a partition package from there?
[04:43] <wildgoose> (GParted)
[04:43] <LINKSWORD2> You mean a Kubuntu live CD?
[04:43] <wildgoose> Sure.
[04:44] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not that good with Linux yet. Can you tell me in particular what I need to do?
[04:45] <wildgoose> no
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> ... Fail.
[04:46] <wildgoose> sorry couldn't help it.. Boot from liveCD then apt-get install gparted. In GParted you'll know what to do.
[04:46] <SIR_Taco> oooo
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> What's up, SIR_Taco?
[04:47] <SIR_Taco> just finished watching the hockey game... :)
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> Bleh....
[04:48] <wildgoose> Give it a shot and let us know if you got it.
[04:48] <LINKSWORD2> All right. I'll be back in a bit.
[04:49] <SIR_Taco> what's the current problem?
[04:50] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, boy.... I forgot about this...
[04:50] <LINKSWORD2> My most recent Live Boot disk for Kubuntu is 10.10 (Maverick). Will I need a Live Boot for Natty, or will Maverick work?
[04:50] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, It will work fine.
[04:51] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: you can upgrade during or after the fact
[04:52] <LINKSWORD2> K
[05:02] <LINKSWORD2> Hey wildgoose?
[05:20] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, How'd it go?
[05:21] <ChaserBdaigle> I need to know the command in terminal to see which video driver I am using please
[05:22] <LINKSWORD2> We're about to find out.
[05:22] <ChaserBdaigle> Hiya Wildgoose its me again
[05:29] <ubuntu__> wildgoose: Permission to use /query ???
[05:30] <ChaserBdaigle> how can i tell which video driver my kubuntu 11.04 is using
[05:30] <LINKSWORD2> Chaser, 11.04 comes with a GREAT program called System Info.
[05:31] <rvb> hello , is it possible to open firefox, grab a webpage and execute all its js, all in command line?
[05:31] <rvb> not necessarily ff, chrome maybe
[05:31] <LINKSWORD2> If you search for "Info" in the active search ChaserBdaigle, you can view its many benefits, and browse through hardware like your videocard and its related software.
[05:32] <ChaserBdaigle> im new where is active search
[05:33] <ilias> hi all. i am running kde always in tray bar. if i logout or shutdown without previous quit of kmail i receive an akonandi issue and crash. has anyoen an idea how to solve this, because it is convienient to shutdown without qutinig kmail so whe i start again it running automatically again in tray.
[05:33] <LINKSWORD2> Chaser, press Alt + F1 together.
[05:34] <LINKSWORD2> Then type Info
[05:35] <ChaserBdaigle> alt + f1 opens my k menu
[05:35] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, No Joy?
[05:36] <LINKSWORD2> What, wildgoose?
[05:36] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Were you able to partition your drive?
[05:36] <ChaserBdaigle> im in an old school menu
[05:36] <LINKSWORD2> ... Nope, I wasn't.
[05:37] <ChaserBdaigle> do you happen to know the consol command to tell me the driver
[05:37] <wildgoose> ChaserBdaigle, lsmod
[05:37] <ChaserBdaigle> thx
[05:37] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Did you make sure to unmount the drive first?
[05:37] <LINKSWORD2> ChaserBdaigle: You're actuallu using the correct menu. I'm used to calling it an "Active Menu" because that's what I learned.
[05:38] <LINKSWORD2> wildgoose: Permission to /query ???
[05:38] <ChaserBdaigle> drm i guess would be the driver my video is using
[05:40] <valorie> !gparted
[05:40] <ChaserBdaigle> i need to make an xorg.conf file and am trying to find the right driver
[05:41] <ChaserBdaigle> ati 200m on a laptop
[05:41] <Apple_Cat> ChaserBdaigle: Why do you want to use xorg.conf ?
[05:41] <valorie> ChaserBdaigle: drivers are available through systemsettings
[05:41] <valorie> or just "jockey-kde"
[05:42] <ChaserBdaigle> well i am locked into one resolution and if i make an xorg.conf i can open up other display options for my screen res
[05:43] <Apple_Cat> !xorg.conf | ChaserBdaigle
[05:43] <ChaserBdaigle> i spent the day getting one stright on my other comp
[05:43] <ChaserBdaigle> yeah well thats like greek to me mostly
[05:43] <ChaserBdaigle> i  am a cut and paste kinda guy...lol
[05:44] <ChaserBdaigle> the one i have is for a different driver so i wanted to find what driver i am using so i can edit
[05:44] <ChaserBdaigle> i spent the day on thoses sights reading i under stand some and other things have yet to figure out
[05:45] <ChaserBdaigle> brb
[05:45] <LINKSWORD2> wildgoose: I need to talk to you one-on-one, and explain my situation further.
[05:47] <wildgoose> LINKSWORD2, Ok.
[05:51] <ChaserBdaigle> ok i think im using the wrong driver and not the radeon ubuntu supplyed one how do i change that
[05:58] <LINKSWORD2> Anybody know the default administrator password for a Live CD?
[06:02] <LINKSWORD2> !passwd
[06:03] <rww> !password
[06:03] <rww> and the LiveCD account has a blank password iirc
[06:10] <ChaserBdaigle> how do i tell if i have 3d acceleration
[06:11] <ChaserBdaigle> i have no desktop effects
[06:11] <ChaserBdaigle> its all greyed out
[06:12] <ChaserBdaigle> i do have the ati xorg drivers downloaded but not sure if they are being used
[06:41] <Newbiathon> what is a good firewall for kubuntu?
[07:16] <XVampireX> Hi, I'm having some issues with the intel integrated graphics card, or maybe it is not the problem, but anyway, trying to watch an HD video, it runs REALLY slow, while the desktop, even though kde 4.6, which runs excellent...
[07:17] <XVampireX> what can I do about it? even windows handles hd fine for me
[07:20] <meta__> yo can i get some help
[07:31] <phoenixlzx> is there anybody using nvidia?
[07:32] <phoenixlzx> Nvidia Quadro NVS4200M
[07:32] <phoenixlzx> I have a serious problem...
[07:33] <phoenixlzx> when i installed the Nvidia official driver and update the xorg.conf,then X says"no screen found"
[09:02] <himcesjf> I'm getting following errors on adding kubuntu repository -ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  :Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources 404  Not Found Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main i386 Packages 404  Not Found
[09:02] <himcesjf> How do I fix it?
[09:04] <himcesjf> And, W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2836CB0A8AC93F7A Launchpad Kubuntu Updates E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources 404 Not Found
[09:05] <gr8m8> 404 not found means you asked the webserver for something that isn't there - check the web address
[09:05] <gr8m8> !launchpad
[09:09] <himcesjf> gr8m8: I get the error on adding backport ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[09:10] <gr8m8> I saw that himcesjf
[09:11] <himcesjf> So, what's the problem on adding ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[09:11] <himcesjf> As far as I remember, its mentioned in the Kubuntu website as well
[09:16] <himcesjf> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa says the same thing gr8m8
[09:17] <gr8m8> I don't use ppa's here at all
[09:17] <gr8m8> !ppa
[09:18] <himcesjf> Its easy to pull ubuttu bot for known queries than to say on the error
[09:57] <cousin_mario> hello
[09:57] <cousin_mario> How do I change the default boot entry on grub2? I tried setting GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/defaul/grub and giving a sudo update-grub, but it didn't work.
[10:07] <lcb> hell'all
[10:23] <footroot> hello
[10:23] <footroot> ?
[10:23] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: You shall consider setting /boot/grub/grub.cfg wherein the "default" would be set to 0 by default at installation, booting the kernel(In *nix, counting starts with zero). If you want to make any other entry as default, you will have to change the deafult value. For example, changing to second entry means inputting "default" as 1.
[10:25] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: Edit the file as sudo after changing the permissions since its read-only by default as - sudo chmod u+w grub.cfg before editting and sudo chmod u-w grub.cfg later. Else, you can try package 'startupmanager' which can graphically configure Grub.
[10:26] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: the default in /boot/grub/grub.cf is set to what I want
[10:26] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: by the way, it says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" in the header
[10:27] <himcesjf> You said you want to change the default boot entry...
[10:28] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: I did.
[10:28] <szal> Grub defaults are set in /etc/default/grub
[10:28] <szal> iirc, grub.cfg says so too
[10:28] <cousin_mario> problem is it's not working
[10:28] <himcesjf> If so, the file to edit is /etc/default/grub
[10:29] <himcesjf> You have to change the value of GRUB_DEFAULT
[10:29] <himcesjf> GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true
[10:29] <himcesjf> sudo update-grub
[10:29] <himcesjf> *If* you want the default to be the last one used, set this to true
[10:30] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: Are you on multi-boot system?
[10:31] <himcesjf> I mean multiple OS and want to boot a particular one
[10:35] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: startupmanager can be used if you don't want to try command-line.
[11:44] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: I tried both methods, /boot/grub/grub.cfg is set to the correct default, yet the system boots with entry 0
[11:57] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: Did you edit the file after changing permissions and then saving it?
[11:58] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: I didn't edit it at all, update-grub took care of it already
[11:58] <himcesjf> cousin_mario: Try startupmanager. I've told you how to edit above.. Sorry, I need to go.
[11:59] <cousin_mario> himcesjf: I tried it already
[13:29] <kevinB> Hello dudes and SOS
[13:29] <kevinB> is there a way I can revert last update on Kwin
[13:30] <kevinB> I suspect it + fglrx to make my laptop totally unusable
[13:30] <kevinB> and when I ran kwin --replace , it worked again for 5 sec and then stuck
[13:30] <kevinB> fortunatly a konsole is launch at each update
[13:30] <kevinB> even sudo reboot wont suceed
[13:31] <kevinB> mayday
[13:35] <marcel> moin
[13:37] <kevinB> amdcccle was the guy who screwed my xorg conf, naughty ati
[14:05] <alex_> hi guys ,  I got a problem updating kubuntu ..., like always it doesn't start anymore ..., after the login nothing ...., there is something to do or just reinstall !?!
[14:06] <alex_> I mean it's quite a bad thing the pop-up saying update to the new version , when after that you cannot anymore accees your system ..., isn't
[14:07] <OttovonBismarck> can anyone tell me what "always list the applications in a menu" checkbox does in the current application control plasmoid
[14:07] <OttovonBismarck> google doesnt know and i dont notice any difference
[14:09] <OttovonBismarck> Your search - "currrent application control" plasmoid -bug - did not match any documents.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:09] <OttovonBismarck> this is amusing to me
[14:10] <OttovonBismarck> oops, one too many r's
[14:25] <error> noob here.. need some help
[14:25] <error> just installed kubuntu
[14:26] <error> i do not have an browser.. trying to figure out how to get one. I have the cd but i do not know where to go?
[14:26] <error> help anyone?
[14:26] <marxjohnson> error: Have you just installed Kubuntu?
[14:26] <marxjohnson> sorry
[14:27] <marxjohnson> I just read that you did
[14:27] <error> yes,
[14:27] <marxjohnson> There's a browser installed by default called "ReKonq"
[14:27] <error> i installed it about a week ago
[14:27] <marxjohnson> It should be in your K menu
[14:27] <error> k.. menu.. humm
[14:27] <error> the menu on bottom left
[14:27] <error> ?
[14:27] <marxjohnson> yes
[14:27] <error> k menu, applications
[14:28] <marxjohnson> Then Internet I think
[14:28] <error> i do not see it in internet
[14:28] <marxjohnson> hold on
[14:28] <marxjohnson> let me switch my menu back to default mode
[14:28] <error> thanks for the help
[14:28] <marxjohnson> and i'll tell you
[14:28] <error> i hate feeling like a tard but im trying to break away from microsoft.
[14:29] <marxjohnson> OK, so what do you see when you click on the Applications tab?
[14:29] <error> 1 sec
[14:30] <error> graphics, multimedia, internet
[14:30] <marxjohnson> There, click in Internet
[14:30] <error> office, settings, system
[14:30] <marxjohnson> and what do you get?
[14:30] <oCean> in the searchbox you could also type browser
[14:30] <error> bittorrent client,
[14:31] <error> a search gives me a thing that says how to configure browser
[14:31] <error> but no luck yet
[14:31] <error> no browser in internet applications
[14:31] <error> strange
[14:31] <marxjohnson> strange, it looks like it didn't install correclty
[14:32] <oCean> that is weird, I'm on a fresh install myself
[14:32] <error> i have the cd in the cd rom
[14:32] <marxjohnson> ok hold on a sec
[14:32] <error> how would i go about getting it off the cd?  .... ok.. thx
[14:33] <marxjohnson> Ah yes, sorry
[14:33] <marxjohnson> In the menu's seach box, type "Software"
[14:34] <marxjohnson> Do you see either Ubuntu Software Center or KPackageKit?
[14:34] <error> 1 sec
[14:34] <error> kpackage
[14:34] <marxjohnson> OK, click on that
[14:35] <marxjohnson> And there should be a "Search Packages" box, type Firefox in there
[14:35] <error> can do
[14:35] <marxjohnson> Then select Firefox Web Browser and click Install
[14:37] <error> think im good.. download
[14:37] <error> marx... thanks for your help
[14:37] <marxjohnson> no problem
[14:37] <error> im a 5 min old linux user.
[14:37] <error> :)
[14:37] <marxjohnson> That's how you download and install all software btw
[14:38] <error> thanks for the help
[14:38] <error> im starting to like this os
[14:38] <marxjohnson> no problem, hope you enjoy Kubuntu¬
[14:38] <marxjohnson> !
[14:38] <error> out of curosity
[14:38] <marxjohnson> that's not bad after 5 mins ;-)
[14:38] <marxjohnson> go on
[14:38] <error> what is the advantages of kubuntu over other linux distros?
[14:38] <error> im going to stick w/ kubuntu
[14:38] <error> but just wondering
[14:39] <Deet`> error: personal prefrence here
[14:39] <cablop> kubuntu is the same as ubuntu, but you use KDE as gui
[14:39] <error> whats kde?
[14:39] <Deet`> tho i do use xubuntu and crunchbang on lower spec machines
[14:39] <error> ah
[14:39] <marxjohnson> KDE is the desktop environment you use on Kubuntu
[14:39] <Deet`> error: kde is what you are looking at when you use kubuntu ;)
[14:39] <error> ah
[14:39] <cablop> KDE the graphical interface and some other things
[14:39] <error> i see
[14:40] <error> its similiar to windows yet alien
[14:40] <cablop> nope
[14:40] <error> i spent a good 5 min trying to find out where the hell the cd rom was
[14:40] <Deet`> i also have a question
[14:40] <cablop> KDE is a gui it is being placed on top the linux system
[14:40] <BluesKaj> error,open the kmenu >apps>internet>firefox installer , choose that and firefox will install on your pc
[14:40] <Deet`> i intend to tri-boot a netbook, Kubuntu, Windows 7 and Windows XP. what would be the best order to install them in to make sure they all boot fine?
[14:40] <error> well, similiar as in the k bar is on the bottom left
[14:40] <marxjohnson> Deet`: I'd install Kubuntu last
[14:41] <cablop> error, windows gui is much moe integrated with the system, KDE runs on top a linux that can run without a gui at all
[14:41] <error> ahhh
[14:41] <error> learning learning
[14:41] <Deet`> marxjohnson: ok, any thoughts on the windows order?
[14:41] <marxjohnson> error: which means you can have differnt GUIs, if that's your preference
[14:41] <error> i see
[14:41] <cablop> the default gui of ubuntu is gnome (well they switched to that crap called unity in the latest release)
[14:42] <cablop> xubuntu uses xfce as gui
[14:42] <error> I do a lot of investing and i can already tell the lower system requirements might be pretty nice for my multitasking
[14:42] <BluesKaj> error, did you install Firefox ?
[14:42] <cablop> you are going to like KDE
[14:42] <marxjohnson> Deet`: Not at all if possible ;-)  TBH I'm not sure though, I've never done a dual-boot windows setup, but I'd say that doing the oldest then the newest should be a safe bet
[14:42] <error> i have taken a quad core 3.2 gig, 8 gig ddr 3, to 75% utilization w/ my investing programs
[14:42] <error> yes, i have firefox thanks guys!!
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ok'
[14:43] <Deet`> ok marxjohnson i'll give that a shot
[14:43] <cablop> i'm still in gnome, because it is running better in my netbook, and i don't have the time to relearn or readapt the little machine to KDE
[14:43] <cablop> but i see KDE is the way to go after that nonsensical gnome3 or that weird thing called unity
[14:43]  * Deet` is actually probably going to go with xfce or crunchbang on hos netbook
[14:43] <BluesKaj> error, now are you interested in multimedia , video, music etc ?
[14:44] <marxjohnson> cablop: I've tried KDE netbook, I don't like it as much as the old Ubuntu Netbook Launcher
[14:44] <chonlatee> how to config browser render smooth font ?
[14:44] <error> i have this little laptop as well and i was loath to put win 7 on it as i knew it would bog it down. slapped a 30 gig OCZ SSD in it and kubuntu and its very fast now. :)
[14:44] <cablop> marxjohnson: i don't use those stripped netbook guis
[14:44] <cablop> i used a full KDE and a full Gnome on it
[14:44] <error> whats a gnome?
[14:45] <cablop> i told you
[14:45] <marxjohnson> error: GNOME is another GUI
[14:45] <cablop> gnome is the default ubuntu gui
[14:45] <error> ah
[14:45] <error> thx
[14:45] <marxjohnson> it's the primarly alternative to KDE
[14:45] <error> this is fucking awesome.
[14:45] <marxjohnson> :D
[14:45] <marxjohnson> ooh are we supposed to keep it clean in here?
[14:46] <marxjohnson> I should probably ask you not to swear
[14:46] <error> sorry.. excitement.. plus my profession we curse a lot.
[14:46] <cablop> i have to say i was running this netbook with full disk encryption, as gui i used gnome+compiz and KDE=KWin both with effects like wobbly windows and the desktop cube and it does run pretty nice
[14:46] <error> lol
[14:46] <error> im a soldier.
[14:46] <cablop> LOL
[14:46] <error> im on 24 hour guard duty right now.
[14:47] <error> yes, guarding the barracks against the evil of the world... lol...
[14:47] <dbc254> what's amiss when you click on a url in your mail client and instead of going to the page, your browser goes to /var/tmp/????
[14:47] <marxjohnson> dbc254: Are you sure it's a link to the web and not an attachement?
[14:47] <cablop> Deet except if your netbook is arm or ee... ee whatever, use gnome or kde as gui, current netbooks are full computers with small screen
[14:48] <dbc254> yes it's not an attachment
[14:48] <marxjohnson> cablop: The whole point of netbook-specific guis is that they're for a small screen :-)
[14:48] <marxjohnson> not that they need less resources
[14:49] <marxjohnson> KDE netbook is still as flashy as ever, it's just geared towards a small display
[14:49] <cablop> marxjohnson: that unity placed a panel on top i cannot remove or edit and a menu at the left i cannot hide or remove... with gnome classic i put ot top a common panel with autohide, and at bottom a AWN dock that autohides too, things that way i use the full screen for any app iḿ using at the moment
[14:50] <cablop> same with KDE... if i were using an ipad... well that thing will suit me
[14:51] <cablop> error, if you have sometime i recommend you to check the full disk encryption topic, it is pretty interesting
[14:51] <marxjohnson> yes that's true, I've never found the top panel an issue myself but I see  your point
[14:52] <BluesKaj> error, for multimedia , install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:52] <cablop> also vlc media player
[14:54] <cablop> welll.... now my question
[14:54] <BluesKaj> I'm testing xbmc on 11.10 and it seems to be working well, altho VLC is still set as the default for video and audio file extns
[14:54] <cablop> what is recommended for windows live mesenger? i was trying that kmess, nbut fails to connect
[14:54] <marxjohnson> cablop: Kopete
[14:54] <chonlatee> Kopete is the best
[14:54] <cablop> i never got to understand kopete...
[14:54] <marxjohnson> it's just a multi-protocol messenger like Pidgin
[14:55] <marxjohnson> or Trillian
[14:55] <BluesKaj> cablop, AMSN might work
[14:55] <cablop> oooooooohhhhh noooooo xD
[14:55] <chonlatee> emesene
[14:56] <cablop> nah, emesene depends on papyon library that fails a lot if you use wireless
[14:56] <cablop> marxjohnson: trillian? how tril;lian in linux?
[14:57] <Aterus> Hello everyone. I'm new whn it comes to Linux and i have a major problem.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> aims aren't my thin anyway
[14:57] <marxjohnson> cablop: I dont think you can, except perhaps through WINE, I was just giving an example to explain what Kopete is like
[14:57] <Aterus> I've switched from Ubuntu Gnome to Fedora
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ask away Aterus
[14:57] <cablop> aaaa
[14:57] <Aterus> got bored of that and switched to Kubuntu
[14:57] <chonlatee> good choice
[14:57] <cablop> aham, and the problem is...
[14:58] <Aterus> now when i tried to login i get an error saying that my saved gnome sessions is no longer valid
[14:58] <cablop> well, if you are in kubuntu the session is kde
[14:58] <Aterus> i tried choose "Default" session, KDE Plasma worspace session and still thesame
[14:58] <Aterus> nothing changes, i get the same message
[14:58] <cablop> install gnome for a little moment
[14:59] <cablop> then enter and fix the gnome issues, log out then log in kde
[14:59] <chonlatee> i use gnome before
[14:59] <chonlatee> now i use kubuntu
[14:59] <chonlatee> i love kde
[14:59] <Aterus> but what is this exact issue?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Aterus, perhaps a pure kde solution is in order... do you have a / and /home separate partitions
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:00] <Aterus> yes. I suspect the setting left over from my previous Ubuntu+Gnome installation are causing this
[15:00] <tsimpson> look in ~/ for "hidden" files/folders related to GTK/GNOME
[15:00] <tsimpson> I guess remove them
[15:01] <cablop> huh weird to see that amsn still around
[15:01] <cablop> sigh
[15:01] <sithlord48> Aterus:  i would backup and then remove ~/.gnome and ~/.kde and give it a go that way
[15:01] <chonlatee> agree with tsimpson
[15:01] <sithlord48> and btw morning all
[15:02] <Aterus> ok, i'll have to boot in to a Live CD for this. I'll give a shout how it all goes. Thanks everyone
[15:02] <chonlatee> what your favorite music player
[15:02] <tsimpson> !poll | chonlatee
[15:02] <tsimpson> but it's amarok of course
[15:03] <BluesKaj> cablop, it's not weird , it's surprising how many ppl still use XP and need MSN
[15:03] <cablop> well XP was much better than vista
[15:04] <BluesKaj> no argument there
[15:04] <tsimpson> no, XP was less bad than vista
[15:04] <cablop> but amsn.....
[15:04] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, :)
[15:05] <cablop> nah, xp is one of the few gfood os from ms
[15:05] <BluesKaj> W7 is less bad than the rest then
[15:05] <cablop> and 7 is good too
[15:05] <cablop> it depends in your criteria
[15:06] <sithlord48> idk 7 reminds me way to much of a kde interface...
[15:06] <marxjohnson> sithlord48: and that's a bad thing? :-)
[15:07] <sithlord48> marxjohnson: yes , there seams to be old kde4 bugs too.. like plasma-desktop showing up in the Fancy window switcher..
[15:07] <sithlord48> that has me worried..
[15:07] <BluesKaj> I've resisted the temptation to install W7 just for netflix , but I see rumours about chrome/chromium handling netflix natively soon
[15:08] <cjohnston> apachelogger: ping
[15:08] <apachelogger> cjohnston: pong
[15:08] <cjohnston> apachelogger: I see that more of the blueprints have been accepted, however they still arent showing up as they aren't in the proper format
[15:09] <apachelogger> cjohnston: #kubuntu-devel
[15:12] <error> what version of flash do i need ? http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[15:12] <sithlord48> error. sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer <- run in konsole
[15:13] <error> hummm
[15:13] <sithlord48> thats the "proper" way to dl it from adobe's site :P
[15:13] <error> im a noob.
[15:13] <error> no idea how to get to console
[15:13] <sithlord48> its ok were here to help
[15:13] <error> is that the K bar?
[15:14] <sithlord48> k menu .
[15:14] <error> ok.. i know where thats at
[15:14] <chonlatee> or alt+f2
[15:14] <chonlatee> and typed terminal
[15:14] <tsimpson> you don't need to use the console
[15:14] <BluesKaj> chonlatee, pls one thingat a time
[15:14] <sithlord48> no type in konsole
[15:14] <error> ah
[15:14] <tsimpson> it's in the normal package manager
[15:15] <sithlord48> well it really don't matter one is its name and one its descrtption you can can use either to find it :D
[15:15] <sithlord48> error:  please close browsers first
[15:16] <cablop> the problem with kopete is
[15:16] <cablop> it is not placing an icon in my tray
[15:17] <chonlatee> cablop, you can cuztomize it.
[15:18] <cablop> where?
[15:18] <cablop> ah, i mean in my gnome tray
[15:18] <cablop> in kde works nice
[15:18] <BluesKaj> cablop, do you have any system trays enabled ?
[15:18] <cablop> but i thought the trays were universal
[15:18] <cablop> i have trays
[15:18] <cablop> one tray
[15:18] <BluesKaj> cablop, we don't support gnome here
[15:19] <cablop> mmm
[15:19] <cablop> but i'm talking about the tray
[15:19] <cablop> isn't that a standard?
[15:19] <tsimpson> no
[15:19] <tsimpson> you'd think, but not
[15:19] <tsimpson> and in Gnome is't really the "system notification area" rather than the "system tray"
[15:20] <tsimpson> freedesktop.org is working on a standard though, I think...
[15:21] <Aterus> can anyone shine a light on how to delete file/folder from a home folder using live CD?
[15:22] <tsimpson> you don't need to use the live CD for that
[15:23] <tsimpson> but if you insist, mount your /home partition somewhere and delete as normal, but from the mounted location
[15:23] <Aterus> well i can't log in to Kubuntu normaly or in to safe mode
[15:24] <Aterus> right...well it was automatically mounted
[15:24] <Aterus> when i log in to the Live CD
[15:24] <Aterus> but it doesn't allow to delete anything
[15:25] <tsimpson> you'll want to become root, as your user doesn't exist on the live session
[15:25] <Aterus> in command line?
[15:26] <tsimpson> so use "kdesudo dolphin" for GUI, or just "sudo -i" for a console shell
[15:28] <Aterus> is gconf folder also part of gnome?
[15:28] <tsimpson> yes
[15:29] <tsimpson> gconf is the system gnome uses to store settings/configuration
[15:29] <Aterus> well i got 5 folders removed that relate to gnome. Hopefully it worked.
[15:30] <elkng> there was strange DE in 10.11 is it the same in 11.04 ?
[15:31] <cablop> ok, kopete icon is working now
[15:31] <elkng> there was only one big menu not like KDE with "K" button in left bottom corner, but many big buttons around desktop
[15:31] <elkng> is it the same in 11.04 ?
[15:32] <elkng> like in 3.5.x
[15:32] <elkng> and in 10.11 panel was at the top, strange
[15:32] <elkng> like in GNOME
[15:33] <elkng> it was trouble some to use it =)
[15:34] <elkng> what kind of DE in 11.04, how it looks like ? is panel with button "K" at the bottom ?
[15:34] <tsimpson> it should always be at the bottom
[15:34] <tsimpson> and should always have been
[15:35] <tsimpson> unless maybe you're talking about the netbook interface, I haven't really seen much of it
[15:35] <elkng> but in 10.11 it was at the top, and many big buttons for fast running applications was at the center, this was very strange
[15:36] <BluesKaj> elkng, I'm running 11.10 on a desktop pc and all normal, the same as 11.04
[15:36] <elkng> "netbook" <- yea, I installed it on netbook, maybe it was it
[15:37] <tsimpson> you can change back to the "desktop" interface if you want, though I'm on 10.04 so I don't remember how
[15:37] <elkng> so is it change interface and behaviour in netbook ?
[15:37] <elkng> ok, how to change to "it on netbook, maybe it was it"
[15:37] <elkng> ok, how to change to "desktop" interface ?
[15:39] <tsimpson> look in System Settings, it'll probably be there somewhere
[15:40] <cablop> is there any kopete ppa out there?
[15:40] <tsimpson> maybe in Workspace Appearance
[15:40] <elkng> now mistery is solved =), it was first time I loaded kubuntu since 7.04, and it was quite frustrating
[15:41] <elkng> thanks
[15:41] <Aterus> tsimpson - no luck, but i found something that might be a clue. When i try to login normally, i get this error message: Kstartupconfig does not exist or fials. The error code is  Check your isntallation@
[15:42] <tsimpson> Aterus: make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed, you seem to be missing some programs
[15:42] <cablop> ok it seems there's no kopete ppa
[15:43] <Aterus> how can that be done? i mean i installed from live CD, i expected it to have everything...
[15:43] <tsimpson> cablop: kopete is part of kdenetwork, which is a part of the KDE SC release
[15:43] <Aterus> just a hunch
[15:43] <Aterus> would it be wise to delete everything on the home drive appart from my personal files
[15:43] <Aterus> and then reinstall
[15:43] <cablop> tsimpson: then...
[15:44] <tsimpson> Aterus: chroot into your installation and make sure it's installed
[15:44] <tsimpson> cablop: so you won't find a PPA with "kopete", but "kdenetwork". like one of the Kubuntu PPAs
[15:45] <Aterus> a bit more giudance? im confused about this chroot deal...
[15:45] <cablop> ah i see, then kdenetwork ppa
[15:45] <tsimpson> !kppa
[15:45] <cablop> thanks :)
[15:47] <Aterus> tsimposon - can you by any chance give a bit more guidance on this one. I'm still poorly versed with the intricated workings of Linux...what is this dal with chroot?
[15:47] <tsimpson> Aterus: mount your root system somewhere, if it's not already mounted. then use "sudo chroot /where/it/mounted", then you will be running inside your installed system
[15:47] <tsimpson> you can then use apt-get as normal
[15:48] <Aterus> oh. ok
[15:48] <Quintasan> I recommend doing mount -o bind /dev /where/it/mounted/dev beforehand
[15:50] <cablop> i'll stick with normal repos then
[15:50] <cablop> thanks
[15:50] <cablop> see ya
[15:51] <securityxxxpert_> Anybody having issues with their box locking up entirely when trying to download files with firefox on Kububuntu 11.04
[15:51] <Aterus> how can i know if it worked? i go a 'bach: no job control in this shell' response
[15:54] <tsimpson> Aterus: do you see a prompt?
[15:54] <Aterus> not really, under the bash response there is nothing
[15:54] <tsimpson> do any commands work, like "ls"?
[15:55] <Aterus> no, just drops me to the next line
[15:55] <tsimpson> ok, try pressing Ctrl-D or Ctrl-C to drop back out
[15:55] <Aterus> i tried running apt-get in a new tab
[15:55] <tsimpson> a new tab won't start in the chroot
[15:56] <Aterus> ok Ctrl+C did the trick
[15:57] <Aterus> does this mean the chroot command worked or did i loose it?
[15:58] <tsimpson> it must have failed
[15:59] <tsimpson> Aterus: try running each of these commands in sequence to get to a chroot session http://paste.ubuntu.com/624389/
[15:59] <Aterus> i added kdesudo before chroot, because running it without is says that operation is not permitted
[15:59] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, what kinds of files?
[15:59] <tsimpson> changing /dev/my_root and /mnt where appropriate
[16:01] <kevin_b> Hello guys!
[16:01] <kevin_b> Do some of you get a mouse bug ?
[16:01] <kevin_b> which can only be soved by log out and log in again
[16:02] <kevin_b> even kwin  --replace is a workaround only for 5 secs
[16:02] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: Any to my knowledge.
[16:03] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, have you tried using a different browser ?
[16:04] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: Yeah that works fine.  Just wondering if it can be addressed with firefox
[16:05] <BluesKaj> then it's a FF bug , which version , securityxxxpert_ ?
[16:09] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: stand by
[16:09] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: 4.0.1
[16:12] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, and what kubuntu version ?
[16:13] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj:  11.04
[16:13] <BluesKaj> hmm, FF version 5 is in the repos I believe , perhaps time to upgrade
[16:15] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj:  I will try that and let you know
[16:16] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: I am not seeing Firefox 5
[16:17] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj:  How did you update yours
[16:18] <BluesKaj> I'm on11.10 , but i;m quite 4.01 needs an upgrade to 4.6 or some such
[16:18] <BluesKaj> sure
[16:19] <DarthFrog> I note that KDE SC 4.64 is in the Kubuntu repos today.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> yup. DarthFrog ..have it on my other box
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hmm securityxxxpert_ , strange 4.01 is the default FF on 11.04
[16:23] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[16:24] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: Not sure.  Recently converted from Gnome
[16:24] <BluesKaj> well then ubuntu-restricted-extras , is basically the same , securityxxxpert_
[16:25] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:27] <securityxxxpert_> BluesKaj: Thanks for your help, I guess I will just use a diff browser to download stuff.  PITA, but it works
[16:28] <BluesKaj> not sure exactly , but could the lack of plugins somehow crash /freeze his pc when trying to DL with a browser
[16:28] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, you could always use wget to DL stuff from sites
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !wget
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !info wget
[16:30] <BluesKaj> securityxxxpert_, in   the konsole you type wget , then the URL or address of the app and it will down load to your /home/user/downlods by default
[16:31] <tsimpson> wget will download to the current directory by default
[16:32] <BluesKaj> youtube-dl is another cli app that does it
[16:32] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, yes, I stand corrected
[16:32] <BluesKaj> and curl as well
[16:34] <RVN> why is 11.04 a piece of crap. Even after a clean install, everything is broken.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> youtube-dl works with youtube flash only afaik
[16:35] <BluesKaj> RVN, nice statement , maybe if you had a question ?
[16:35] <RVN> *why is 11.04 a piece of crap?
[16:36] <RVN> so buggy
[16:36] <RVN> doesn't mount drives properly, can't seek in progress bar when playing music anywhere
[16:37] <RVN> even the screensaver freezes
[16:37] <RVN> and much more
[16:37] <RVN> ..hangs on shutdown
[16:37] <RVN> randomly
[16:37] <soee> RVN, works perfect for me
[16:37] <RVN> weird
[16:37] <soee> RVN, did you upgraded ?
[16:38] <RVN> first I upgraded
[16:38] <RVN> but it was broken
[16:38] <RVN> then I did a clean install
[16:38] <RVN> still bad
[16:38] <soee> ati/nvidia ?
[16:38] <RVN> intel
[16:39] <soee> ah never used intetl, but there were some problems with intels i think
[16:40] <RVN> ya but there are so many other problems
[16:40] <RVN> 10.10 was fine
[16:40] <RVN> 11.04 is just bad
[16:41] <BluesKaj> RVN, in the konsole , sudo lshw -C video , look at the product line
[16:41] <soee> well i was running 11.04 with uniny 2 months ago and for me it was slow, but after switch to Kubuntu all works fine and fast
[16:42] <RVN> Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[16:44] <soee> i love Muon Package Manager :D
[16:47] <BluesKaj> RVN, this might help you : http://ubuntuku.org/31/bugs-fix-kubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-kwin-crashes-when-opengl-screensaver-exits/
[16:50] <RVN> ok
[16:50] <RVN> i guess i gotta restart
[16:53] <RVN> whatever
[16:53] <RVN> no difference
[17:00] <BluesKaj> RVN, look in the kmenu > apps>settings> additional drivers ...is there a recommended driver ?
[17:01] <RVN> nope
[17:01] <RVN> empty
[17:02] <RVN> anyways, the main problem is seeking the progress bar when playing music
[17:02] <RVN> that's what pisse sme off the most
[17:03] <RVN> I read it had something to do with phonon
[17:03] <RVN> also copying mounting the mp3 player
[17:03] <RVN> and copying my music to it doesn't work like it used to
[17:10] <BluesKaj> RVN, check if you have pulseaudio installed, also open alsamixer in the konsole and make sure all ctrls are turned up ...pulseaudio is ok if you have a pci soundcard installed with fancy oprions , otherwise it's redundant
[17:11] <RVN> BlesKaj, pulseaudio is installed
[17:11] <BluesKaj> RVN, also install kubuntu-restricted-extras for multimedia codecs and plugins including flash and java
[17:11] <RVN> I did
[17:12] <RVN> lol
[17:12] <BluesKaj> ok remove pulseaudio and setup phonon in system settings>multimedia
[17:13] <BluesKaj> that's quite bit to do so I'll leave you to it for a few mins
[17:13] <RVN> what is GStreamer
[17:13] <RVN> ?
[17:13] <RVN> i have gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio installed
[17:14] <RVN> along with pulseaudio
[17:14] <RVN> and in the multimedia settings i only see phonon
[17:14] <BluesKaj> just remove pulseaudio for now
[17:14] <BluesKaj> click on phonon
[17:16] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech :)
[17:16] <RVN> BluesKaj, so what do I do with phonon exactly
[17:16] <RVN> ?
[17:16] <Daskreech> Hello BluesKaj
[17:16] <Daskreech> howare you?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> good thanks Daskreech , and you ?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> look at the list of devices in music , check them for sounds using the test button
[17:18] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Very tired and rushed
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, bummer :(
[17:19] <Daskreech> How are you?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> fine thanks
[17:22] <BluesKaj> RVN, I'll repeat , look at the list of devices in music , check them for sounds using the test button
[17:22] <BluesKaj> in phonon
[17:24] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Good :)
[17:24] <RVN> BluesKaj, there's a bunch of devices and they pretty much all work except for the HDMI because I don't have anything connected HDMI
[17:27] <BluesKaj> RVN, yup that's normal , test your speakers with this command in the konsole as a final test:  speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[17:29] <RVN> BluesKaj, it works but I don't have a problem with the sound
[17:29] <RVN> it's seeking the progress bar
[17:29] <RVN> in amarok or any player
[17:30] <RVN> most of the time it doesn't allow me to
[17:30] <BluesKaj> try vlc
[17:50] <ubuntu_user> I have a dell studio 1735 w/ an Optiarc DVD+-RW AD-7640S HD16 on /dev/sr0 and I'm looking for a good cd->mp3 ripper. Any suggestions?
[17:53]  * BluesKaj wonders why ppl still rip to mp3 , even the cheapest players can hold a thousand lossless songs
[17:55] <error> how do i install flash on kubuntu? im a noob
[17:56] <error> o wait.. maybe previous msg traffic.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> error, earlier I mentioned you should install kubuntu-restricted-extras , it contains all the needed codecs and plugins for media and browsers
[17:57] <error> how do i do this?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_user, try acidrip
[17:59] <BluesKaj> error, open a konsole in the kmenu>apps>system
[18:00] <error> thx
[18:00] <BluesKaj> error, then type or copy and paste , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:02] <error> ok, i found it and clicked it and is it supposed to do anything.. pop up or a confirmation/
[18:02] <error> ?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> di you copy and paste what I posted above , then enter
[18:05] <error> humm ok.. ill go test it in a sec
[18:06] <error> getting an nvidia driver
[18:09] <error> ok, system, apps, paste sudo apt-get install kubuntu, -restricted-extras  , ok,, i see it then i click it and it just minimizes
[18:09] <error> so is it installing?
[18:09] <ubuntu_user> BluesKaj: Thanks, but that appears to be strictly for dvd's...
[18:10] <error> forgive me if im a bit slow here guys.. ive been up since 8 am working and its now 2:10 AM and im STILL working.
[18:10] <error> the joys of 25 hour guard duty.
[18:11] <error> brb
[18:12] <PiotrN> I get "Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main amd64 Packages 404  Not Found", is there something wrong with repos ?
[18:14] <error> another noob question
[18:14] <PiotrN>  though uppon further inspection, the repo was read...
[18:15] <error> if i right click an empty space to bring up a menu and then i left click off to the side to close it , it will make this concrete looking shattering effect. how do i turn this off?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_user, user well, check in your package manager ..there's plenty to choose from
[18:15] <error> i just want menus to close,, not shatter into pieces and go away
[18:16] <PiotrN> try in your system settins -> effects -> and there browse all effects tab
[18:16] <error> roger.. thank you
[18:16] <PiotrN> i'm Piotr, not roger... ;)
[18:17] <PiotrN> not Roger*
[18:18] <ubuntu_user> BluesKaj: right. have been doing that. just a little confused as to why my dying desktop with failing hardware has been quicker and more reliable about ripping than my new-ish lapotp.
[18:19] <error> ah much better
[18:21] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go ...later
[18:55] <disposable> when i try to mount a nfs v3 share (rw,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) from a freshly installed natty (with -o users,auto,vers=3), all i get is "rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking". when i try to start stat.d, i get "Warning: Fake initctl called, doing nothing". statd isn't running and can't be started, setting "NEED_STATD=yes" in /etc/default/nfs-common does not start it either when i try to mount. mounting with "-o nolock" w
[18:58] <error> how do you open a tar.gz file?
[18:59] <disposable> error: from commandline by typing "tar xvzf file.tar.gz"
[19:00] <error> hummm
[19:00] <disposable> error: if you need gui, use Ark
[19:01] <error> whats ark?
[19:08] <disposable> error: just do a right-click on the archive and select Extract here.
[19:08] <error> k
[19:15] <phoenixf> hi everybody
[19:15] <phoenixf> I'm new user
[19:15] <phoenixf> and
[19:15] <phoenixf> need fax program
[19:15] <phoenixf> any body knows
[19:15] <DarthFrog> phoenixf:  Have a look at Hylafax.
[19:15] <phoenixf> a fax program name
[19:15] <phoenixf> it didnt work
[19:15] <phoenixf> or ı can isntall
[19:16] <phoenixf> ı can not istall
[19:19] <michael> Hi
[19:21] <Linkmaster> hey
[21:11] <PiotrN> kdepim 4.6 is not in repos ? kde updated itself to 4.6.4, but pim stays at 4.4.6, i though it was released with the .4 update
[21:11] <PiotrN> in fact, most kdepim apps and libs are on 4.4.4
[21:19] <yofel> PiotrN: we're still working on PIM 4.6, and for natty it's not something we can put into -updates so you'll probably see it in the backports PPA soon
[21:21] <PiotrN> yofel: thanks, i'm looking forward to it :)
[21:22] <Guest72538> hi friends
[21:23] <Guest72538> I am newer here
[21:25] <OerHeks> hi Guest72538
[21:29] <alivePerson1234> im having trouble using kdevelop, lines like #include <KApplication> can't find the right include files, should i have added more paths to .bashrc or something?
[21:31] <mick-mick> hallo friends
[21:32] <mick-mick> is there anybody there?
[21:33] <alivePerson1234> sure
[21:33] <mick-mick> oh! that's good
[21:33] <mick-mick> I am alive too
[21:33] <alivePerson1234> :)
[21:33] <mick-mick> :)
[21:34] <mick-mick> I am testing this new version of kubuntu
[21:36] <mick-mick> hi manifold
[21:37] <alivePerson1234> i think ill upgrade to the new version right now actually
[21:38] <mick-mick> which version do you use, alive?
[21:38] <alivePerson1234> 4.6.2 and im upgrading to 4.6.4
[21:38] <mick-mick> is it Ubuntu?
[21:38] <alivePerson1234> yes
[21:38] <mick-mick> but I use 9.04
[21:38] <alivePerson1234> 11.04 here
[21:39] <mick-mick> in my job I use 11.04 server
[21:40] <alivePerson1234> ive never played with server versions, but i do have plenty of server-side things
[21:41] <mick-mick> you may be have a lot of experience in Linux, isn't it, Alive?
[21:41] <mick-mick> I am newer on LInux
[21:41] <alivePerson1234> idk, compared to what is the question lol
[21:42] <mick-mick> I work with VB in Linux - Wine
[21:42] <alivePerson1234> that sounds horrible
[21:42] <mick-mick> yes, it is
[21:42] <alivePerson1234> using your ide in wine just... no!
[21:44] <mick-mick> my boss likes vb6
[21:44] <mick-mick> all the is made in vb6
[21:44] <mick-mick> *system
[21:45] <alivePerson1234> i was trying to get kdevelop to work right now, #include <kapplication> and other lines like that aren't working
[21:45] <n4rco> hi
[21:45] <alivePerson1234> hi
[21:45] <mick-mick> kdevelop is like monodevelop?
[21:45] <mick-mick> hi n4rco
[21:46] <alivePerson1234> its another ide, like eclipse
[21:46] <mick-mick> for java
[21:46] <mick-mick> ?
[21:46] <alivePerson1234> its for a lot of things, like c++ usually, netbeans is java
[21:46] <mick-mick> I am beginning C#
[21:47] <mick-mick> nice to meet you, alive
[21:47] <alivePerson1234> yup
[21:48] <alivePerson1234> my update is going at 100kb/s :'(
[21:48] <mick-mick> yup? what does it mean? (pardon, my english lack)
[21:48] <mick-mick> ah
[21:48] <alivePerson1234> it means i agree that it is nice to meet me lol
[21:48] <mick-mick> ah!
[21:48] <mick-mick> ok
[21:49] <mick-mick> now I am going to back the studies
[21:49] <alivePerson1234> bye
[21:50] <mick-mick> bye have a good night
[21:50] <alivePerson1234> cya
[22:17] <mick-mick> hi friends
[22:54] <error> test
[23:16] <Bauldrick> my fan is running seemingly at full speed in my laptop running natty, and is hot - the battery life is about 40 mins, compared to about 3-4 hrs running windows....
[23:19] <Bauldrick> any suggestions as to what's going on? top shows load average as 0.22 isn't that high for nothing running? apart from quassel
[23:23] <mick-mick> hi
[23:24] <mick-mick> :(
[23:24] <peter__> hi guys, room for a noob here ?
[23:24] <mick-mick> hi
[23:24] <mick-mick> peter
[23:24] <mick-mick> what is a noob?
[23:24] <peter__> newbie
[23:24] <mick-mick> welcome
[23:25] <mick-mick> I am newer here
[23:25] <mick-mick> very interesting programm
[23:25] <peter__> you using vanilla ubuntu ?
[23:26] <mick-mick> karmic
[23:26] <peter__> kk, I just installed kubuntu and it's great
[23:26] <mick-mick> yess
[23:26] <mick-mick> me too
[23:27] <mick-mick> where are you from, peter?
[23:27] <peter__> I'm dual booting with gnome 3 as my other OS
[23:27] <peter__> York in the UK
[23:27] <mick-mick> nice to meet you. what was your other OS?
[23:28] <peter__> just natty install with Unity
[23:28] <mick-mick> I use natty in my job
[23:28] <peter__> don't like Unity :(
[23:28] <mick-mick> ubuntu server 11.04
[23:28] <peter__> cool
[23:28] <mick-mick> yes
[23:28] <mick-mick> it is
[23:29] <mick-mick> with a service like Terminal server
[23:29] <mick-mick> but for nx
[23:30] <mick-mick> how long do you use linux?
[23:30] <peter__> where you from, if I may ask ?
[23:30] <mick-mick> ah. ok
[23:30] <mick-mick> I am from Brazil - São Paulo
[23:30] <peter__> only a moth or so this time but I used it in the days of Suse 8
[23:31] <mick-mick> you have installed it yourself?
[23:31] <mick-mick> *have you
[23:31] <peter__> yes
[23:32] <mick-mick> now I had liked to use linux than windows
[23:32] <mick-mick> but my wife unlike it
[23:32] <peter__> bill gates would cry if he saw how good kubuntu is
[23:33] <Unit193> peter__: He'll just copy it :P
[23:33] <mick-mick> you're right
[23:33] <mick-mick> now all software free
[23:33] <peter__> windows 9 then eh , hehehe
[23:34] <mick-mick> are you a programmer?
[23:34] <peter__> I try to be
[23:34] <mick-mick> cool
[23:34] <mick-mick> hope been
[23:34] <mick-mick> I tried and now I am
[23:34] <mick-mick> just a little
[23:34] <mick-mick> with Visual Basic 6
[23:35] <mick-mick> but I can work in the company
[23:35] <mick-mick> with it
[23:35] <petete> VB ouch ;)
[23:35] <mick-mick> i use it for while in Wine
[23:35] <mick-mick> yes
[23:35] <mick-mick> but I want to learn C#
[23:35] <peter__> pick up some c++ books from a torrent site and use KDevelop to learn it, you will enjoy it
[23:36] <mick-mick> thks
[23:36] <mick-mick> I will do this!
[23:36] <mick-mick> I am leaning english still
[23:36] <peter__> you can learn C# too
[23:36] <mick-mick> and all matter are in english
[23:36] <mick-mick> matters
[23:36] <petete> reading technical books is a great way to learn both
[23:37] <petete> they usually use simple english
[23:37] <mick-mick> I was into a bookstore
[23:37] <peter__> if you can get the C++/C# book for Dummies, they will teach you basic, easy to understand
[23:37] <mick-mick> I had read C
[23:37] <mick-mick> some years ago
[23:38] <Skwiggs> hey guys, anyone on that has had to recover a ubuntu that ws installed on an external drive?
[23:38] <peter__> C++ is prolly the most common language these days I think
[23:38] <mick-mick> thks, peter and petete
[23:39] <peter__> not here Skwiggs, sorry
[23:39] <mick-mick> my boss likes vb6 and msaccess
[23:39] <mick-mick> and the system is wrote so
[23:39] <petete> Skwiggs: did you read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:39] <Skwiggs> yeah i don't want to lose my stuff but it's on a petition i can no longer get to
[23:39] <Skwiggs> lol *partition
[23:40] <Skwiggs> looking now thanks
[23:40] <mick-mick> my name is MIguel
[23:41] <mick-mick> had you made any software yet, peter?
[23:41] <mick-mick> ever
[23:41] <Skwiggs> in gteneral has anyone had to re-install ubuntu and knows how it handles filled partitions?
[23:42] <peter__> one or 2 small applications for my own use
[23:42] <mick-mick> cool
[23:43] <peter__> Skwiggs, it should ask you where you want to install and what parts to use mate
[23:44] <Skwiggs> yeah just kinda worried it'll decide to erase the partition for the new instance.. oh well
[23:45] <peter__> and if you have an OS on the filled part, grub should pick it up
[23:46] <Skwiggs> so startign with a live cd should be all i need then.. okay thanks i'll try
[23:47] <peter__> make sure you choose the third option to install it where you want it and you should be fine
[23:47] <peter__> you still there Miguel ?
[23:48] <mick-mick> hey,peter. I am
[23:49] <peter__> If you use access at work you can always use Libre Office to access the files or make any changes you need you know
[23:50] <mick-mick> I had installed winetricks
[23:50] <mick-mick> and then msjet40 and MDAC28
[23:51] <peter__> ok, I didn't know whether you knew that Libre Office will handle msaccess files
[23:52] <mick-mick> ah@! pardon. Now I understood!
[23:52] <mick-mick> Libreaccess is like openoffice?
[23:52] <peter__> yes
[23:52] <mick-mick> is it good?
[23:52] <peter__> yes, very good
[23:52] <mick-mick> I will get it, then. thanks you
[23:53] <mick-mick> (libre - free ?)
[23:53] <mick-mick> (español)
[23:54] <peter__> libre should be installed if you upgrade to 11.04
[23:54] <mick-mick> in the server version the softwares aren' t not installed
[23:54] <peter__> it replaced O[enOffice
[23:54] <mick-mick> automatically
[23:54] <claydoh> libreoffice-base doesn't really handle access files, I don't think
[23:55] <mick-mick> here there is a BROffice
[23:55] <mick-mick> BR- Brazil
[23:56] <peter__> anyway, I must log now guys, nice to meet you all
[23:58] <mick-mick> hi xien