[20:01] <Captainkrtek> meeting today?
[20:02] <rickfosb> My calendar shows in one hour; but I may be time zone dysfunctional
[20:04] <godbyk> Yep, meeting should start in about an hour.
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> Hey GodbyK
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> Have you got yor printed manual yet?
[20:18] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I haven't ordered one yet.
[20:18] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: did lulu respond to your email about the messed up printing?
[20:18] <ChrisWoollard> Nope, not yet
[20:28] <c7p> hello all
[20:28] <rickfosb> Hi c7p
[20:28] <godbyk> hey, c7p.
[20:28] <ChrisWoollard> Hello c7p
[20:46] <sayantan13> hello
[20:46] <sayantan13> all
[20:46] <jmolinaso> hi
[20:46] <sayantan13> am i late for the meeting
[20:46] <sayantan13> ?
[20:46] <jmolinaso> nop, not even starte
[20:46] <jmolinaso> d
[20:46] <ChrisWoollard> nope
[20:46] <sayantan13> lol
[20:46] <sayantan13> cool
[20:57] <issyl0> Hi all.
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> Hi
[20:57] <CrustyBarnacle_> Howdy all.
[20:57] <c7p> hello
[20:57] <vk_ind> hello all
[20:59] <jmolinaso> hi
[20:59] <hannie> Hello everybody
[21:00] <sayantan13> hi
[21:00] <jmolinaso> hi hannie
[21:01] <godbyk> I have a random question that someone here may know the answer to: I'd like to get a list of installed fonts that contain a particular Unicode character. Does anyone know if there's a script or program that'll do this for me?
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> I have never looked for that, so i don't know
[21:03] <godbyk> No worries.  I'll continue Googling. :)
[21:03] <godbyk> Is everyone here or do we need to wait for anyone else?
[21:04] <hannie> I don't see my "buddies" bryan and Mez
[21:04] <rickfosb> godbyk: looks about right
[21:04] <Teotw> godbyk: maybe this will help? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5604855/how-to-determine-which-fonts-contain-a-specific-character
[21:06] <godbyk> Teotw: Thanks!  That looks like what I want to do. I wonder if that C# code will run under Linux. I'll take a look at it later.
[21:06] <godbyk> Well, shall we start the meeting then?
[21:06] <CrustyBarnacle_> :-D
[21:06] <hannie> yes
[21:06] <c7p> i guess we are ready to start
[21:06] <semioticrobotic> hi everyone!  sorry i'm late
[21:07] <hannie> semioticrobotic, welcome
[21:07] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: You're just in time.
[21:07] <godbyk> #startmeeting
[21:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:07. The chair is godbyk.
[21:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:07] <godbyk> Welcome, everyone.  Thanks for coming.
[21:07] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Attendance
[21:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Attendance
[21:07] <ChrisWoollard> o/
[21:07] <godbyk> Could everyone here just say a quick 'hello' for our roll call, please?
[21:08] <rickfosb> hello
[21:08] <CrustyBarnacle_> Howdy
[21:08] <Teotw> hello!
[21:08] <hannie> ready
[21:08] <c7p> hello, agenda http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-June-Meeting1
[21:08] <vk_ind> Hello!!
[21:08] <jmolinaso> hoi
[21:08] <sayantan13> hello
[21:08] <semioticrobotic> hello there!
[21:08] <godbyk> Excellent.  Thanks!
[21:08] <godbyk> (Makes it easier when compiling the minutes.)
[21:09] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10 released
[21:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10 released
[21:09] <godbyk> Just a couple quick notes about the maverick manual.
[21:09] <godbyk> First off, we released it last week.
[21:09] <godbyk> So congratulations to everyone and thanks for all your help with that.
[21:09] <semioticrobotic> Good stuff
[21:09] <sayantan13> yeah congrats to all!! :)
[21:09] <godbyk> The initial PDF I had uploaded to lulu.com used PNGs for the screenshots.
[21:09] <godbyk> Those PNGs had an alpha channel for transparency.
[21:10] <godbyk> Apparently the lulu printers choke on transparency.
[21:10]  * semioticrobotic groans
[21:10] <vk_ind> booo
[21:10] <semioticrobotic> well, crap
[21:10] <c7p> good job
[21:10] <godbyk> So I just opened the screenshots in Gimp, flattened them, and resaved them.
[21:10] <godbyk> I then regenerated the PDF and it seems to work okay now.
[21:10] <semioticrobotic> oh!  great!
[21:10] <vk_ind> cool
[21:10] <godbyk> So just a heads-up. In the future, we need to remove the alpha channel from the screenshot PNGs.
[21:11]  * JasonO Hello everyone, sorry I'm late.
[21:11] <godbyk> I have no idea why this didn't affect the previous editions.
[21:11] <godbyk> That's all I had to talk about with the maverick manual.
[21:11] <godbyk> And now for what everyone's here for:
[21:11] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Status updates for the natty manual
[21:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status updates for the natty manual
[21:12] <godbyk> I created a new natty bzr repository.
[21:12] <godbyk> You're welcome to start modifying the code there.
[21:12] <godbyk> I renamed some of the directories to reflect the actual chapter titles.
[21:12] <godbyk> I also moved a few things around.
[21:12] <godbyk> The preface is now in the frontmatter/ directory.
[21:12] <hannie> I noticed :)
[21:12] <godbyk> And the credits are in the backmatter/ directory.
[21:12] <godbyk> hannie: Sorry about that. :)
[21:12] <semioticrobotic> Think hannie learned that the hard way!
[21:13] <godbyk> I think that's all I moved, but you can check the bzr logs for details.
[21:13] <godbyk> Now I'll turn it over to rickfosb.  Rick?
[21:13] <rickfosb> THanks, and great job on getting that out.             I've spoken with most of the editors within the past couple of weeks and at present believe that we have a minimal team in place.  However, we could always use author support.  So if you are so inclined, let me know.
[21:13] <rickfosb> Out next due date coming up in a week is to have identified the changes we are going to make.  Some of the editors have discovered that their sections are in fairly good shape.  Some of the others, desktop, etc., will need a lot of re write.
[21:14] <rickfosb> I know we got a little hung up on the last of the screen shots,
[21:14] <rickfosb> but believe the delay is not all that bad.
[21:15] <c7p> nice
[21:15] <rickfosb> So, if we agree, our next mile stone is
[21:16] <semioticrobotic> Screen shots will be a bigger issue in 11.04, obviously, because Ubuntu's visual appearance has changed so much
[21:16] <rickfosb> June 28 :M1 -- lock down what needs to change (1 week) June 28
[21:16] <hannie> rickfosb, are we not supposed to make changes in the spreadsheet on natty status?
[21:16] <rickfosb> I would prefer that we keep them there.  so Yes, feel free to update status in the spreadsheet.
[21:17] <hannie> I'm not allowed to make changes
[21:17] <rickfosb> If you get a road block ... give me a shout out
[21:17] <rickfosb> I thought that was open... I'll fix it
[21:17] <rickfosb> sorry
[21:17] <hannie> ok, thanks
[21:18] <semioticrobotic> could we have the link, once more, in the meeting minutes?
[21:18] <semioticrobotic> (when it's updated, of course)
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> What are the dates for all milestones?
[21:18] <rickfosb> standby, and I'll pull them down
[21:19] <rickfosb> M1 -- lock down what needs to change (1 week)
[21:19] <rickfosb> M2 -- all sections are in, at least with stub content (week 5)
[21:19] <semioticrobotic> ChrisWoollard: There's an ical link that should import them all into your calendar software of choice
[21:19] <rickfosb> M3 -- copywriting down (week 10)
[21:20] <rickfosb> M4 -- content freeze (copyediting / screenshots done) (week 13)
[21:20] <rickfosb> M5 -- release (final bug testing done) (week 15)
[21:20] <rickfosb> And the dates are posted in the spreadsheet as well
[21:20] <rickfosb> (M! is June 28 and do your count from there) :)
[21:20] <c7p> check https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02602.html
[21:21] <rickfosb> Thanks, c7p:
[21:21] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[21:21] <c7p> i think we are one week behind the schedule due to maverick delayed release, but i'm not sure
[21:22] <rickfosb> Last issue for me:  I will continue to reach out to the editors in a group or individual as necessary.  And please dont hesitate to ask for help.
[21:23] <rickfosb> gobyk:  back to ;you??
[21:23] <ChrisWoollard> I am just updating the launchpad milesstones with those dates
[21:23] <vk_ind> ** applause **
[21:23] <rickfosb> :))
[21:24] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Any other business.
[21:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business.
[21:24] <godbyk> Okay. Anything else anyone would like to bring up?
[21:24] <c7p> yes
[21:24] <godbyk> Go ahead, c7p.
[21:24] <rickfosb> OK to purchase 10.10 yet?
[21:24] <hannie> I have just given a push command. Not sure if it was ok
[21:24] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[21:24] <godbyk> rickfosb: It should be.  Chris tested it for us.
[21:24] <ChrisWoollard> i have a copy in front of me :)
[21:25] <c7p> i think we should be more careful on the screenshots on this release
[21:25] <c7p> i don't know if quickshot is under development to cope with natty issues, and new enviroment
[21:25] <godbyk> c7p: Yes.  We'll need to work with Quickshot to ensure that the QS project file has the updated list of required screenshots.
[21:26] <godbyk> I'm not sure if it is either.
[21:26] <godbyk> I'm guessing we'll find out, though. ;-)
[21:26] <c7p> :)
[21:26] <vk_ind> haha
[21:26] <c7p> cool
[21:26] <vk_ind> in any case, there is always GIMP :)
[21:26] <CrustyBarnacle_> and Shutter :-)
[21:27] <c7p> yes, if quickshot isn't updated for natty, maybe we could take some of the screenshots manually
[21:27] <jmolinaso> may I ask
[21:28] <c7p> go forth
[21:28] <jmolinaso> what's the difference between quickshoot and the regular screenshot
[21:28] <godbyk> :q
[21:28] <godbyk> D'oh! wrong window.
[21:29] <godbyk> jmolinaso: Quickshot is a program that makes taking screenshots very convenient and easy for us.
[21:29] <c7p> jmolinaso: quickshot is a program that we are using for the translated editions
[21:29] <vk_ind> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[21:29] <godbyk> It ensures that the screenshots are consistent across multiple languages.
[21:29] <jmolinaso> I know for what is being used, I wonder what's the technical differents
[21:30] <jmolinaso> differences
[21:31] <Teotw> can i just ask, why is the quickshot username not something like "user" or "ubuntu"? I mean, a name like quickshot might make readers ponder what it actually is. I may just be wrong, though.
[21:31] <godbyk> jmolinaso: There aren't any differences in the actual screenshots that are taken.  The resulting screenshots are just PNG files.
[21:31] <godbyk> Teotw: The username can be specified in our project's configuration file, so we can change it.
[21:31] <jmolinaso> ok, thanks that's what I wanted to know
[21:32] <jmolinaso> godbyk, thanks
[21:32] <godbyk> jmolinaso: No problem.
[21:32] <Teotw> godbyk: Aah thanks. Just wondering
[21:32] <godbyk> Are there any other questions or issues?
[21:33] <rickfosb> none here.
[21:33] <semioticrobotic> I'm good.
[21:33] <hannie> rickfosb, on the spreadsheet: tab Prolouge = Prologue
[21:33] <jmolinaso> well my question is answered, I was going to ask if the regular screenshots were also useful
[21:33] <CrustyBarnacle_> Troubleshooting chapter... status... ownership?
[21:33] <rickfosb> I'll get it...  thanks
[21:34] <rickfosb> done
[21:34] <hannie> I see, thanks
[21:34] <hannie> rickfosb, but I still cannot write in the spreadsheet
[21:35] <rickfosb> try it now
[21:35] <hannie> minute
[21:35] <hannie> nope
[21:36] <rickfosb> hmm.  I've pretty much opened it up.. try exit and come back in..
[21:36] <hannie> I have just sent a request
[21:36] <Teotw> rick: i now cant access the spreadsheet at all
[21:36] <rickfosb> hannie: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtkeORuPIMxsdGtWRXlvdHB4bktTNkF5LTNwWU5KQnc&hl=en_US&authkey=CNDambUJ
[21:37] <rickfosb> the old link was probably read only
[21:37] <vk_ind> how about sending it again to all?
[21:37] <hannie> I am going to check
[21:37] <vk_ind> or should we just copy paste now?
[21:38] <hannie> Yes! I can edit it now. Thank you
[21:38] <rickfosb> The sheet is open to any who have the link.  I'll keep a spare copy just in case
[21:39] <godbyk> Thanks, Rick.
[21:39] <godbyk> Any other questions or issues?
[21:40] <CrustyBarnacle_> Troubleshooting Editor?
[21:40] <vk_ind> a long pause, means no?
[21:40] <hannie> Yes, I have a question
[21:41] <hannie> I just tried the push command, but it failed
[21:41] <hannie> Am I not allowed to change the name of a .tes file?
[21:41] <hannie> * .tex
[21:41] <rickfosb> Trouble shooting editor:Kartik Sulakhe
[21:41] <godbyk> hannie: You should be able to rename a .tex file, yes.
[21:42] <jmolinaso> hannie, can be there's no rights for you to write yet
[21:42] <semioticrobotic> godbyk: But won't that create problems when merging with the main branch?
[21:42] <jmolinaso> on the bazaar
[21:42] <ChrisWoollard> to rename a file you should do bzr mv oldname newname
[21:42] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: Most people operate directly on the main branch.
[21:43] <semioticrobotic> godbyk: Hm.  Maybe I asked the wrong question.  If hannie re-names a local .tex file, and then pushes that file to the branch, won't it create errors?
[21:43] <rickfosb> godbyk:  going to have to run...
[21:44] <godbyk> rickfosb: Okay.  I think we're basically done with the meeting.
[21:44] <hannie> I did this: bzr push lp:~userid/ubuntu-manual/natty
[21:44] <rickfosb> Thanks all:
[21:44] <godbyk> I'll end the meeting and we can continue discussing this stuff.
[21:44] <semioticrobotic> ok
[21:44] <godbyk> #endmeeting
[21:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:44.
[21:44] <hannie> bye rickfosb
[21:44] <jmolinaso> thanks
[21:44] <godbyk> There. Now I don't have to worry about leaving MootBot hanging. :)
[21:44] <sayantan13> cheers!
[21:44] <semioticrobotic> :)
[21:45] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: If you rename the file using 'bzr mv' then bzr will be aware of the change.
[21:45] <semioticrobotic> Ah. Okay.
[21:45] <semioticrobotic> Well, hannie, there you have it.
[21:45] <semioticrobotic> But you shouldn't have to rename any files, I don't think.
[21:46] <CrustyBarnacle_> Testing pull/merge/push .... :-( "ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified."
[21:46] <semioticrobotic> Just edit learning-more.txt by adding the revision we've made, and push it.
[21:46] <hannie> semioticrobotic, I like to add a date so I can see it is the latest review
[21:46] <semioticrobotic> Launchpad will take care of that
[21:46] <semioticrobotic> It will mark your revisions with a date
[21:46] <semioticrobotic> and it will highlight changes and timestamp them
[21:46] <hannie> ok, I will use the original name
[21:47] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle_: Did you pull down the natty branch?
[21:47] <godbyk> (The natty branch isn't linked to the maverick branch.)
[21:47] <CrustyBarnacle_> I thought so....
[21:47] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle_: You can also run 'bzr info' to see if everything there looks okay.
[21:47] <godbyk> The first time you run 'bzr push', you have to provide the location to push it to.
[21:48] <godbyk> That is, bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual/natty
[21:48] <godbyk> (I think. It's been a while.)
[21:48] <hannie> is it sufficient to say /ubuntu-manual/natty?
[21:48] <hannie> Like so:
[21:48] <hannie>  bzr push lp:~userid/ubuntu-manual/natty
[21:49] <hannie> And I suppose you have to be in /home/Projects/natty when giving the command
[21:50] <ChrisWoollard> if you have the natty branch then bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual
[21:50] <CrustyBarnacle_> hannie: yes
[21:50] <semioticrobotic> Yes.  You will need to "push" from the directory in which the project files re located, if I rememeber correctly
[21:50] <godbyk> hannie: I'd use lp:ubuntu-manual/natty to upload the changes to the main natty branch.
[21:50] <hannie> godbyk, ok, I think I did it right
[21:51] <hannie> thank you all for your help
[21:51] <godbyk> hannie: Sure.  Let me know if you hit any snags.
[21:51] <hannie> See you all next time
[21:51] <godbyk> See you later, hannie.
[21:52] <CrustyBarnacle_> godbyk: Working now, Thanks!
[21:52] <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle_: Good to hear!
[21:54] <c7p> godbyk: I want to ask you something regarding the website. The pages on the branch are .inc.html , although the pages that i have written are in html format. Could you give me your light on what's going on here ?
[21:55] <godbyk> The .inc.html files are probably php+html files that get included (hence the .inc bit) from another php script.
[21:55] <godbyk> So there's a top-level php script that puts in the common header and footer stuff.
[21:55] <godbyk> Then the contents of the particular page are included from a different file.
[21:58] <c7p> godbyk: oh, so in what format and where should i push the main content of the page ?
[21:58] <godbyk> c7p: Good question.
[21:58] <godbyk> The stuff that's in the bzr repository is actually a little out of date.
[21:58] <godbyk> I've been making modifications on the server directly and haven't committed them all to the repository.
[21:59] <godbyk> Also, it depends on whether you're modifying the current site or the newer test site.
[22:01] <c7p> ok so for now could you update the site with the new pages, that would help more existing and upcoming authors and translation editors ?
[22:02] <c7p> when the test site will replace the existing i guess i should learn how to do this
[22:02] <godbyk> c7p: sure.
[22:02] <godbyk> c7p: I don't know when the test site will replace the existing site.
[22:03] <godbyk> We need to take a look at the test site and see what needs to be updated and changed.
[22:03] <semioticrobotic> Thanks for a good meeting, everyone.  I'm off now.
[22:03] <godbyk> Once those changes have been made, we can switch over to it.
[22:03] <c7p> semioticrobotic: bye :)
[22:03] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: Okay. Thanks for coming!
[22:03] <semioticrobotic> o/
[22:03] <c7p> godbyk: thx for the info
[22:04] <c7p> do you have my pages or should i send them to you ?
[22:05] <godbyk> c7p: Probably easiest if you send them to me again.
[22:06] <c7p> godbyk: sure, no big deal
[22:06] <godbyk> thanks.
[22:20] <tszar> hi all. Did I miss the whole meeting?
[22:32] <CrustyBarnacle_> tszar: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/11/%23ubuntu-manual.txt
[22:35] <tszar> thanks :)
[22:40] <CrustyBarnacle_> tszar: Meeting Minutes - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-June-Meeting1