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Azelphurthanet telephone exchange is down01:13
Azelphur:o01:13
JGJonesHmm...is £320,000 for a new website a reasonable value?01:53
Azelphurthat's a big price tag o.O01:54
Azelphurwhat are you having designed?01:55
JGJonesNo...I'm just in a bad mood.01:57
JGJonesA charity that "helps" the deaf have splashed out that much on a new website.01:57
Azelphurwow, fail01:58
JGJonesAnd to add insult to injury, they didn't even get a web design firm run by the deaf to do it (they would have done it for a much lower price too...MUCH lower)01:58
Azelphur\o/01:58
JGJonesbut then I shouldn't be surprised...it's the same charity that never hire a deaf person into a management job (and yes it's a charity for the deaf...you'll think they'll have a higher % of deaf staff)01:59
JGJonesyet they manage to raise 40 million a year based on that.01:59
Azelphur\o/02:00
ali1234this xilinx stuff unpacks to 12GB03:06
ali1234and i thought 4GB was a lot03:06
Azelphurali1234: did you hear about what PHP did to me? XD03:06
ali1234no03:06
Azelphurit was all like "I want to make you miserable" so it created 15.5 million session files in /var/lib/php503:07
Azelphurso many files, ls crashes with memory exhausted, rm and free just hang and use more and more ram03:07
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hcfdAzelphur, hah, that's terrible!08:44
hcfds/terrible/hilarious!08:44
MooDoomorning all08:52
MooDoobah gwibber.....09:04
popeymorning all09:41
MooDoomorning popey are you well?09:41
popeyYeah!09:41
MooDoopopey: fab :)09:42
MooDoois anyone else awake? lol10:03
brianbanyone tried the webian shell?10:04
* MooDoo shakes head10:04
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:26
MooDoobrobostigon: and a good morning it is too10:26
brobostigonMooDoo: good morning, :)10:26
MooDooall quite on the western front it seems.10:30
ubuntuuk-planet[Paul Mellors] Ubuntu Natty - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/06/ubuntu-natty.html10:31
brobostigonyep.10:32
MooDootypical, at work and the sun is shining :D10:46
daubersMorning10:55
MooDoomorning daubers10:56
MooDoodaubers: how's the windows experience so far?10:56
daubersMooDoo: I think I'm getting over the worst now :)11:01
MooDoodaubers: awesome11:01
daubersPondering the best way to test the photo stuff, as I don't really want to move 28GB of photos onto my little laptop drive11:01
dauberssorry... 56.7GB11:02
AlanBellhow does one read mallard files?11:31
jacobwArgh, attempting to install set up a dual boot on currently Windows laptop, resize operation failed :(11:32
AlanBellah, got it, "yelp index.page"11:33
scoundrel50aHi I am trying to add this 'http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06' to my Unity, the first part went ok, but when trying to add the second bit in the terminal I keep getting an error, bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor11:45
scoundrel50aYou have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to11:45
scoundrel50awrite to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".11:45
scoundrel50abzr: ERROR: Target directory "unity-launcher-editor" already exists. What does it mean? Also, I cant find a launcher anywhere to start it.11:45
oimonbeen talking to cleverbot..turns out he's not very clever http://pastebin.com/SJY2xd2711:48
jacobwHaha11:49
jacobwhttp://www.radiolab.org/2011/may/31/clever-bots/11:54
oimonbeen playing with this firefox addin http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx11:55
s-foxHello11:55
popeyscoundrel50a: thats a warning, not an error11:56
popeyscoundrel50a: you've run the command multiple times which is why you get the "already exists" error11:57
popeyscoundrel50a: the instructions on the site tell you what to do next11:57
scoundrel50aok, well, I got the error the first time without the warning part, where on the instruction page does it talk about informing bzr about my launchpad id?11:59
popeyit doesnt11:59
popeyyou dont need to11:59
popeyits just a warning, ignore it11:59
scoundrel50aok, plezase forgive me for being thick, so why would it tell you after the install bit, to add bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor which causes that warning12:01
popeyyou're not being thick12:01
scoundrel50aand how do I get it so can start the launcher, I cant find it anywhere12:01
popeyits _immediately_ after the line that says to run bzr12:01
popeythe paragraph right after12:01
popey"Once you have downloaded the source code, you should find a .unity-launcher-editor. folder in your Home directory. In your Nautilus, navigate to the .unity-launcher-editor -> unitylaunchereditor. folder and double-click the main.py file. A prompt will show up:"12:02
scoundrel50aI managed to do that bit yesterday, and found it added a dew more files, does that mean, everytime I want to start the launcher, I have to click on main.py?12:03
jacobwoimon: that FF extension looks really cool12:05
popeyscoundrel50a: yes12:06
popeyscoundrel50a: unless they have an installer of some kind12:06
* daubers needs brown paint12:07
scoundrel50aah, I see, so why would they tell you after you entered this sudo apt-get install bzr to install, you have to add this  bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor which gives you a warning, what is the point of that part of the installation?12:08
scoundrel50acouldnt find an installer anywhere12:09
jacobwwhat for daubers ?12:09
popeyscoundrel50a: I am missing something12:12
popeyscoundrel50a: "why would they tell you". who is "they" and what are they telling you?12:12
scoundrel50ahttp://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06 in the installation bit12:14
daubersjacobw: my Lord Commisar12:14
scoundrel50adid post that url in my first post12:14
scoundrel50asorry, should have made it clearer12:14
popeyI still don't know what you're asking me.12:16
popeyyou follow those instructions, they work. You get warnings about something from bzr, this is nothing to worry about.12:17
scoundrel50aThe first part of the install instruction works the second bit, gives the warning, I just wondered what the warning wass about, sorry. :(12:18
popeythe warning appears because you haven't configured bzr to tell launchpad who you are, don't worry about it.12:19
scoundrel50aoh, ok, thank you12:19
* daubers pops into town for paint12:24
MooDooblimey 12:30 already12:30
jacobwtime marches on12:31
jacobwubiquity should have a 'fast' mode where it doesn't bother removing packages etc.12:31
jimmieDoes anyone know how to change your MSN "nickname" in Pidgin? Im completely flummoxed.12:33
MooDoojimmie: it's set friendly name in the account i think12:34
MooDooAccounts ---> Pick your account ----> Set friendly name12:35
jimmieAhaha!12:36
jimmieThanks pal12:36
MooDooyw!12:37
popeyhmmmmm13:43
popeyjacobw: why would you not want it to remove packages?13:43
popeyyou plan on using all those languages?13:43
popeyalso, there is a "skip" button for that bit ☺13:43
* daubers returns13:53
MooDoowb daubers14:07
s-foxHi daubers & MooDoo14:11
=== ujjain|afk is now known as ujjain
MooDoos-fox: good afternoon :)14:13
s-foxHow are you doing?  Not spoken with you for a  couple of weeks at least14:14
MooDoos-fox: i'm very well thanks, and wow has it been that long, we must catch up more frequently :14:14
MooDoo:)14:14
s-foxindeed :)14:15
MooDoos-fox: so how are you this finr day?14:18
s-foxer,   okay i guess.   i have had a virus but nearly better.  =)14:19
s-foxthank you for asking14:19
MooDoos-fox: oh dear, that's not good but i'm glad you're getting better :D14:19
s-foxwoohoo, just installed development release of GIMP 2.7.314:33
MooDoos-fox: single screen?14:33
MooDooala photoshop?14:33
s-foxYes.  Much better.14:34
MooDoos-fox: is there a ppa?14:34
s-foxThough I still do  a lot of work in photoshop (and shall probably continue to do so)14:34
MooDoos-fox: i've just ditched windows and photoshop cs5/elements 9, i hope i don't regret it :)14:35
s-foxMooDoo,  ppa exists.14:35
s-foxHere is how I updated my gimp - http://paste.ubuntu.com/624335/14:35
MooDooooo might give it a try14:36
MooDoos-fox: yeah that makes it a lot better doesn't it14:44
davmor2moo14:46
MooDoodavmor2: yo, skin there little blood14:47
davmor2MooDoo: me owld mukka ow am ya chap14:48
MooDoodavmor2: at work but alreeeeeeeeeet14:48
davmor2on me phone so maybe not the best irc client in the universe14:49
MooDooi'll make sure i paste in 1500 lines of text just to over load your phone :p14:49
davmor2MooDoo fair play I'll be sure to remove your nails slowly one by one :)14:50
MooDoodavmor2: you tease :D14:51
davmor2haha14:52
MooDoodavmor2: i applied14:52
davmor2woohoo14:53
davmor2off for a bikt14:55
MooDoolater14:55
s-foxSomeone is having fun - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1092714914:57
MooDoowow  not the usual forum post i've seen14:58
s-foxI am thinking about moving it out of the beginner section MooDoo , but not sure where to put it. lol15:02
jimmieIf thats level most beginners at I think I need to find a Small Child with Difficulty Understanding Computers Section15:04
jimmie*are at15:04
MooDoos-fox: yeah everyone knows what LUN means sheesh ;)15:05
s-foxlogical unit number MooDoo15:06
* s-fox is sad ;)15:06
s-foxbrb, need to see where my cat has got to.15:06
MooDoos-fox: i was joking i did actually know that :D15:10
s-foxback15:10
s-foxk15:10
MooDoopah i feel old lol15:11
s-foxlol @ jimmie :)15:11
s-foxHi!15:11
jimmieHeh15:11
s-foxhow are you?15:11
jimmieNot too bad pal, you?15:11
s-foxfussing my cat :)15:12
MooDooachooooooo15:12
MooDoo;)15:12
jimmieArgh, a cat person.15:12
s-foxand typing with one hand15:12
MooDoos-fox: your talents just knows no bounds ;)15:13
s-foxhe was a stray, but i adopted him last year15:13
jimmieOnly problem is I have a song stuck in my head, cant check my windows firefox history15:13
jimmieand the tune is there and some lyrics, but not enough to identify the song15:13
s-foxlol MooDoo15:13
MooDoowow this days going fast15:15
s-foxWhoops -  lol15:20
jimmieOK found the tune15:22
jimmieWent on windows and scoured the history15:22
jimmieIts Werewolves of London15:22
jimmieMystery solved15:22
jimmieWould it be rude if I asked how old most of you were15:25
MooDooanyone here have the ability to remove freenode cloaks?15:27
MooDoojimmie: 39 here15:31
popeyMooDoo: ask in #freenode16:02
MooDoopopey: already have thanks :)16:03
jimmieAh cool MooDoo16:05
dauberslo16:06
MooDoolo daubers you windows user you ;)16:06
daubersMooDoo: :p16:07
daubersMooDoo: It's actually relativley enlightening. In the "We do this better, but they do that better" sense.16:09
MooDoodaubers: to be honest i've only just removed windows 7 from one of my laptops recently16:10
daubersheh :)16:10
daubersWindows 7 is not that bad compared to XP. It does have a few things that annoy me still, but I think by default it panders to the bottom end of the capable user scale, where Ubuntu is a bit further up.16:11
MooDoodaubers: i like windows 7 to be honest, it does what i wanted it do, i just prefer linux16:13
daubersMooDoo: I dunno really. For home use it's alright. A lot of the problems seem to be in the applications. And there's so much wasted screen space....  You never notice how little chrome there is on a lot of gnome apps until you use something with a lot of chrome16:15
* popey is in win7 right now16:16
popey\o/ steam16:17
daubersmIRC is a good example, I have 2 windows open in a frame with a toolbar on the left I don't use and can't kill, a set of icons on the top I don't use/know what they do and then a window list in what should be tabs under that16:17
MooDoopopey: i'm guessing your waiting for a native version of steam for linux16:18
popeythat would be nice16:18
popeybut not the main problem16:18
popeyall the games available under steam aren't available under linux16:19
popeyalthough one I just played is16:19
MooDoohmm there is that16:19
daubersAh, mug of tea16:35
brobostigon:)16:35
MonsterKillerhey, anyone able to help with this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8117884/photos/ubuntu_srcds.png i download hldsupdate tool, chmod it then when i go to run it, it says its not there?16:45
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: can you check what kind of file that is using "file hldsupdatetool.bin" ?16:46
MonsterKillerhldsupdatetool.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped16:46
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: OK, can you do "uname -a" ?16:46
MonsterKillerLinux rob-desktop 2.6.32-32-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 20 21:52:38 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux16:47
MartijnVdSI'm assuming it's a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit system, and not all required 32-bit libraries are installed16:47
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: could you try "ldd hldsupdatetool.bin" (please use pastebin)16:47
MonsterKillerlol i dont need pastebin for this. 'not a dynamic executable'16:48
MartijnVdShm, but "file" says it's dynamically linked16:48
MonsterKillerstrange16:49
gord hailstone :(16:49
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: strace -o strace.out ./hldsupdatetool.bin16:49
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: Please put the last ~20 lines of strace.out on pastebin16:50
MonsterKillerstrace: exec: No such file or directory16:50
MonsterKilleroh i see strace.out though16:51
MartijnVdSNow I'm really confused16:51
MonsterKillerlol16:51
MartijnVdSbut if strace.out contains something.. please pastebin it :)16:51
dutchieis it executable?16:51
shaunomystery meat binaries <316:51
MartijnVdSdutchie: he chmod +x'ed it, so I assume it is16:51
MonsterKillerhttp://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbzeeellekwwwk16:51
dutchieMartijnVdS: ah, didn't see that16:52
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: ls -l ./hldsupdatetool.bin16:53
MartijnVdS(clutching at straws here.. :))16:53
MonsterKiller-rwxr-xr-x 1 rob rob 3513408 2005-09-02 03:27 ./hldsupdatetool.bin16:53
MonsterKillerlol16:53
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: do you have libc6-i386 installed?16:54
MonsterKilleri do now xD16:55
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: try running it again :)16:55
MonsterKillerokay not it works :) thanks16:55
MartijnVdSnp16:55
MonsterKilleri didnt even realise i had the 64bit version16:55
MonsterKillerxD16:55
MonsterKilleri installed it off a 10.04 live CD i made ages ago16:56
MartijnVdSWell, 64-bit is the best choice if your CPU supports it16:56
gordthough all the source stuff in hlds is 32bit so it won't make much of a difference there16:58
MonsterKiller:D its a nice dual core athlon 2.3GHz16:58
suprengrIf anyone's available to help... think I might need some help on this one...17:07
suprengrthe mail applet has disappeared from my 10.04 notification area17:08
suprengr[I know how to restore panel to default but is there a wat yo retrieve just this?]17:08
suprengr*way17:09
suprengr*to17:09
MartijnVdS!panel17:09
MartijnVdS!resetpanel17:10
lubotu3To reset the GNOME panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »17:10
MartijnVdSsuprengr: the "mail" applet? do you mean the notification thingy?17:10
MartijnVdSsuprengr: look for "indicator" in the "Add applet" menu17:10
suprengrthanks MartijnVdS - I know the default reset one - 2nd idea seems good -cheers17:11
suprengrMartijnVdS, thanks again - solved... good simple solution!17:13
* suprengr elevates MartijnVdS to hero status17:14
MartijnVdS\o/17:24
ubuntuuk-planet[Matt Daubney] Day 2: Music and pictures - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/11/day-2-music-and-pictures/17:31
Vauxhallis it just me or is there a bug in 11.04 that prevents xchat from showing up in the notification bar when minimized...17:35
MartijnVdSVauxhall: they say it's a feature17:35
MartijnVdSif you install xchat-indicator (and enable that plugin) it should work again17:35
Vauxhallxchat-indicator eh?....17:36
MartijnVdSit's a package17:36
Vauxhallfound it in Synaptic...lemme try it :)17:36
Vauxhallit's the "xchat-indicator" right?...not "xchat-gnome-indicator"?17:37
MartijnVdSdepends17:37
MartijnVdSare you using xchat or xchat-gnome?17:38
Vauxhallwhat's the difference?17:38
Vauxhalli'm guessing gnome one is GUI....17:38
MartijnVdSboth are :)17:39
* suprengr quits to switch to 11.04 & try that one as well [always did miss the xchat in the panel]17:39
Vauxhallwell...i've installed xchat-indicator plugin...17:40
MartijnVdSyou might need to restart xchat17:40
Vauxhalland that should activate it...17:40
Vauxhallk..give me a sec17:40
VauxhallMartijnVdS: Nope17:43
VauxhallMartijnVdS: that didn't work...17:44
MartijnVdSVauxhall: you should be able to enable it from the config17:44
MartijnVdSVauxhall: also, check the "messaging menu" (the envelope) in the top bar17:44
VauxhallOOOOOOoooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh17:44
Vauxhallman they changed a LOT of things17:45
Vauxhallthanks :D17:46
VauxhallMartijnVdS: thanks :D17:46
Vauxhallone more thing.....does anyone here use eclipse?17:51
oimon1chaps, how do i combine 2 or more DVD onto one disc?17:56
oimon1baby has 3 button moon dvd's (which are short), but i would like to combine them onto one DVD17:57
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mattioimon: Are they a proper DVDs? With menu etc?18:01
oimonyes18:01
oimonMattii, although menu is basic, wouldn't be upset to lose it if i can make my own easily18:01
mattioimon: In such case some authoring is required :)18:01
oimonmatti: i have to rip with handbrake or something?18:03
mattioimon: Give me a second.18:03
mattiPhone..18:03
oimonsure :)18:04
* suprengr has just found that xchat-notify doesn't work in 11.04/Unity - bug?18:08
Nece228hi18:21
Nece228am i allowed to talk non geekish stuff here?18:21
Nece228specifically about uk itself18:21
jacobwprobabbly18:22
Nece228ok18:22
jacobwer..18:22
Nece228might i ask a question18:22
Nece228is it realistic to get about 20 pounds per hour in uk working unqalified job18:23
jacobwno18:23
OmNomDeBonBonOh god no.18:24
Nece228then what my uncle said18:24
Nece228hes probably laughing at me now18:24
AlanBellthere is a difference between unqualified and unskilled18:24
OmNomDeBonBon£20/hr is £35k a year.18:24
Nece228he said he is in uk working a pretty easy job and getting about 20 pounds per hour18:24
Nece228i also thought its unrealistic18:25
OmNomDeBonBonOh, he's a contractor?18:25
OmNomDeBonBonThey get paid around that much. IT people don't need quals - just experience.18:25
Nece228no18:25
Nece228hes basically just a guy18:25
Nece228not qualified nor experienced18:26
Nece228he also doesnt have any diploma18:26
AlanBellnational minimum wage is about £6/hour18:26
Nece228and you work 8 hours everyday?18:27
jacobwmost people work 8 hours each week day18:27
Nece228ok18:28
OmNomDeBonBonThe standard working week is 37.5 hours.18:28
jacobwyou probably can find a job that pays £20/hour, for a few hours a weeks ;)18:28
OmNomDeBonBonjacobw, contract work.18:28
* OmNomDeBonBon thinks Nece228's uncle is a prostitute18:28
OmNomDeBonBonThe only plausible explanation.18:28
Nece228haha18:28
Nece228great one18:29
OmNomDeBonBonty18:29
Nece228i think hes lying18:29
Nece228he likes to do that18:29
Nece228but those things arent fun18:29
Nece228hes pretty old but still dumb i guess18:29
OmNomDeBonBonDid he tell you his lap is a portal to heaven?18:30
Nece228well18:30
Nece228he told me that i should go to london too18:30
OmNomDeBonBonHampstead Heath?18:30
OmNomDeBonBonI think you're being groomed by your uncle, Nece228.18:30
Nece228i said i should think18:30
Nece228he said dont think just go to london18:30
LjLseems like a mirage18:31
Nece228one thing i still cant understand18:31
Nece228why he said that18:31
Nece22820 pounds per hour working unqalified job.....18:32
Nece228and he doesnt know english that well18:32
OmNomDeBonBonUm. Is he Polish?18:32
OmNomDeBonBonBulgarian?18:32
jacobwwe'll never know :|18:32
Nece228hmm18:33
Nece228is it possible when your immigrant to get a job in which you get 6 pounds per hour?18:34
jacobwi've got a phantom monitor on a laptop with an intel x4500 graphics card18:34
jacobwusing the i915 driver..18:35
jacobwyeah, it seems to detect a monitor that isn't there18:36
Nece228wondering how about germany18:37
Nece228since now its more open for immigrants18:37
Nece228OmNomDeBonBon: well i actually asked uncle what kind of job hes working he said thats my personal secret18:43
Nece228you could be right :D18:44
mattioimon: Right.18:52
mattioimon: What you could do is a) rip into a different format (combine video) and then burn back as DVD; b) rip as DVD and then do some authoring with menu etc.18:53
mattioimon: Look at k9copy,18:53
oimonmatti:ok18:53
oimoni have been ripping individual episodes using handbrake18:54
OmNomDeBonBon"my personal secret" = horse porn salesman18:54
OmNomDeBonBonDoor-to-door.18:54
=== denny- is now known as denny
OmNomDeBonBon"Hello sir, would you be interested in buying horse porn?"18:54
Nece228OmNomDeBonBon: rude but cool :DE18:55
Nece228OmNomDeBonBon: funny shit18:55
Nece228OmNomDeBonBon: im gonna tell that to my uncle18:55
oimonmatti: any recommended format?18:58
jpdsNece228: I wouldn't, the reply might shock you.18:58
Nece228i would18:58
Nece228my uncle isnt that cool18:58
Nece228he also likes to tell those jokes when hes drunk18:58
OmNomDeBonBonNece228: tell him that horse abuse isn't cool.19:00
mattioimon: Depends what do you want to do with it later ;]19:00
Nece228OmNomDeBonBon: oh yeah definitely19:00
OmNomDeBonBonReport him to the RSPCH (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Horses).19:01
Nece228hahaha19:02
Nece228please stop19:02
Nece228i cant help myself19:02
Nece228cant stop laughing19:02
Nece228ok19:36
Nece228so heres the news i told that you said its impossible to get 20 pounds per hour19:36
Nece228and i gave him quotes from you19:36
Nece228he said that you all are people who have no life and smoke weed and are lazyasses19:37
Nece228what reply from should i send to him?19:37
OmNomDeBonBonTell him I told him to stop molesting you.19:37
Nece228haha19:38
MartijnVdS!family19:38
Nece228perhaps something a little bit more constructive?19:38
MartijnVdS!language19:38
lubotu3Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.19:38
jimmieHaha19:38
jimmieDid anyone watch the F1 qualifying?19:39
OmNomDeBonBon!ot | MartijnVdS19:39
lubotu3MartijnVdS: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!19:39
MartijnVdSNah, I only watch the race19:39
Nece228so should i tell him that you tell that hes an idiot?19:42
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MonsterKillerHey, i went to share my old folder over the network and it said it wanted to install nautiluis for it so i let it, the folder is shared but when i try to access it from windows pc. it asks for username and password and my login for ubuntu doesnt work on it22:02
MonsterKillerhome folder*22:03
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: log out, then back in on your Ubuntu desktop22:14
MartijnVdSMonsterKiller: after that, it should work from your Windows machine22:14
* daubers has often considered selling computers with Ubuntu on as a side business. Make a few bob from each one sold22:19
penguin42I don't suppose anyone knows how to persuade an upstream kernel to work with udev on current debian do they?23:20
penguin42my 3.0rc2 build kind of works but /dev/by* is missing23:21

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