[01:16] <Strayfolk> so far so good. I'm really happy with my new install
[01:18] <holstein> Strayfolk: :)
[01:19] <Strayfolk> from a low latency audio perspective, this seems to work better than any -rt -preempt or -lowlatency kernels I've tried
[01:19] <Strayfolk> + I can surf wirelessly without xruns
[11:41] <dubphil> Hello, is it possible to use ubuntustudio on a xubuntu install ?
[11:41] <dubphil> I don't want to use gnome
[11:47] <dubphil> looks like archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/natty main doesn't exists where is the repository ?
[12:23] <ailo_> dubphil, You can install Xubuntu and install the ubuntustudio* packages separately
[12:24] <ailo_> dubphil, You just need to make sure you have realtime privilege. Answer yes to get that, when installing jackd (part of some of the ubuntustudio meta packages), and make sure you are apart of audio group
[13:17] <dubphil> ailo: yes but which repository can I use ?
[13:33] <holstein> dubphil: ??
[13:33] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu = xubuntu
[13:34] <holstein> as far as the repos go
[13:34] <holstein> dubphil: open up the package manager of your choice and search ubuntustudio
[13:34] <holstein> assuming you have ubuntu installed, you would want to
[13:35] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[13:35] <holstein> ^ for example
[13:35] <dubphil> so it is in the mainstream ubuntu packages ?*
[13:35] <holstein> dubphil: its in the normal standard repos
[13:36] <holstein> ALSO, you dont need to install any ubuntustudio specific metapackages
[13:37] <holstein> those are just collections of applications
[13:37] <holstein> you can just install the stuff you want
[13:37] <holstein> ardour, JACK, JAMin, whatever
[13:37] <dubphil> arf ok I tapped studio in the search field of synaptic and nothin appears if I fill ubuntustudio it's ok thanks a lot !
[13:38] <dubphil> I'm comming from gentoo so yes I know all the packages I need :)
[13:38] <holstein> dubphil: read about them, there are some for the gnome desktop and themeing that it seems you are not interested in
[13:38] <holstein> ubuntustudio-desktop for example
[13:38] <dubphil> ok
[13:38] <holstein> enjoy... and visit #opensourcemusicians :)
[13:39] <dubphil> yes of course thanks !
[13:56] <dubphil> what is the rt kernel package name ? I type linux-rt and nothing appears in synaptic
[14:00] <holstein> dubphil: what are you installing?
[14:00] <holstein> 11.04?
[14:00] <holstein> there is no -rt kernel in the repos any more
[14:00] <holstein> for ubuntu or debian
[14:00] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[14:01] <holstein> you can get one via PPA *if needed*
[14:01] <holstein> dubphil: i suggest trying the -generic kernel, then, try...
[14:01] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[14:02] <holstein> OR https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel
[14:02] <holstein> and try -lowlatency , then -realtime
[14:02] <holstein> *in that order
[14:41] <dubphil> ok thanks holstein
[14:41] <dubphil> I have already xubuntu 11.04 installed
[14:41] <holstein> dubphil: cool, enjoy :)
[14:42] <holstein> most folks report the -generic kernel working well
[14:42] <holstein> i actually have a device that works *much* better with the -generic kernel
[14:42] <dubphil> I will test it then before
[14:42] <holstein> an old USB device
[14:42] <dubphil> me I have the terratec PHASE 24 USB device
[14:43] <holstein> i find my firewire rig still needs the -realtime
[14:43] <holstein> we are hopefully going to have the -lowlatency kernel in the repos at least for a few cycles, and installed by default in US
[14:43] <holstein> 11.10 is the goal for that
[14:43] <dubphil> cool :)
[14:44] <dubphil> it is a very good thing to switch from gnome to xfce
[14:44] <holstein> yeah, im looking forward to that as well
[14:45] <dubphil> who is the maintener of ecasound ?
[14:45] <dubphil> because the 2.8 is already out
[14:45] <dubphil> I would be glad to maintain this package
[14:46] <holstein> dubphil: that would be great
[14:46] <holstein> our team is a little under resourced at the moment
[14:46] <holstein> if you want, /join #ubuntu-devel and catch up with the team lead ScottL
[14:47] <holstein> and heres the mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[14:47] <holstein> dubphil: we desperately need that kind of help right now :)
[14:47] <dubphil> ok I mainly use ecasound linuxsampler seq24 specimen
[14:48] <holstein> cool
[14:48] <dubphil> seq24 and specimen are currently getting a new life
[14:48] <holstein> im mostly an analog guy, but ive used specimen before
[14:48] <holstein> and ive tried harmonySEQ
[14:48] <holstein> which is not unlike seq24
[14:49] <dubphil> I will test harmonySEQ becuse seq24 is a little old
[14:49] <holstein> hopefully, we get harmony seq upstream in debian soon
[14:49] <holstein> and that trickles down
[14:50] <holstein> my friend [lsd] over in #opensourcemusicians does a lot with seq24
[14:51] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[14:51] <holstein> yeah... http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/
[14:51] <holstein> anyways, welcome to the team dubphil :)
[14:52]  * holstein gotta run for a bit
[14:52] <holstein> BBL
[14:52] <dubphil> thanks and good run ;)
[16:41] <Strayfolkx> hello
[16:42] <Strayfolkx> in studio 11.04 the keyboard layout keeps resetting to US english. I'm using Swedish/Finnish
[16:43] <Strayfolkx> I delete the USA and apply Finnish keyboard layout to the whole system. but US keyboard reappears and forces itself upon me after a while. (x reset or reboot)
[16:44] <Strayfolkx> where is that keyboard layout set and how do I change it permanently?
[16:45] <orngjce223> huh, I dunno, did you select it in the dropdown boxes before log-in?
[16:46] <orngjce223> If you've tried that I have no idea, you may need to ask #ubuntu
[16:46] <holstein> yeah, thats not particularly studio related
[16:46] <holstein> not that you need to get out ;)
[16:46] <orngjce223> I believe we inherit the keyboard code from them
[16:46] <orngjce223> hehe
[16:47] <holstein> but, you could search 'ubuntu keyboard layout 11.04' instead of 'ubuntstudio....
[16:47] <orngjce223> Yeah
[16:47] <holstein> we dont customize those pacakges in anyways
[16:47] <orngjce223> Most of the stuff we package is the audio subsystem, right?
[16:48] <orngjce223> also video/graphics
[16:48] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/656777 maybe
[16:48] <Strayfolkx> ok, thanks
[16:49] <holstein> thats easy to fix though
[16:49] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[16:49] <holstein> some xset command to run at startup if you have to
[16:49] <holstein> ^ that bug might be in the installer only
[16:50] <Strayfolkx> I think it came after installing the nvidia driver and it wrote a new xorg.conf
[16:50] <holstein> plausible
[16:50] <Strayfolkx> directly after install it was ok, as always
[16:50] <holstein> back it up, and give it a look and play with it a bit
[16:50] <Strayfolkx> I've played with it before... I'll play with it again
[16:50] <Strayfolkx> thanks
[16:50] <holstein> hehe :)
[16:51] <holstein> fiddly
[16:51] <orngjce223> Yep
[16:51] <holstein> but, we dont have access to those drivers
[16:51] <holstein> cant really 'fix' the bugs
[16:51] <holstein> assuming its nvidia related (which i agree, seems to be the case)
[16:51] <Strayfolkx> I see, it's hard to know which bugs are studio related and which aren't sometimes
[16:52] <holstein> well, doesnt hurt to ask
[16:52] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[16:52] <holstein> AND, you can always file them as ubuntustudio bugs
[16:52] <orngjce223> No problem really
[16:52] <orngjce223> If they're really "upstream" bugs the ustudio people will point you in the right direction regardless
[16:52] <holstein> but, getting them looked at in a timely manner, i would suggest the regular buntu stream
[16:53] <holstein> hehe, orngjce223 we are the ustudio people ;p
[16:53] <orngjce223> Not unlike the advice that if Linux Mint people have a problem that first they look it up with linux mint in the name, then they look it up with ubuntu in the name, then they look it up with debian in the name? :v
[16:53] <Strayfolkx> you certainly are :)
[16:53] <holstein> we are trying to get to some of the studio specific bugs, and deal with them
[16:53] <orngjce223> Yeah
[17:01] <Strayfolk> this revert to US keyboard is obviously a ubuntu-wide bug
[17:01] <holstein> Strayfolk: relating to the nvidia driver?
[17:10] <Strayfolkx> holstein, overall
[17:10] <Strayfolkx> I think I fixed it now, by editing /etc/default/keyboard
[17:11] <holstein> AH, that was easy :)
[17:11] <Strayfolkx> if only I could get compiz to be my default desktop
[17:11] <holstein> Strayfolkx: are yoy on the user list?
[17:12] <Strayfolkx> no?
[17:12] <holstein> would you mind to just shoot an email about this, a quick one
[17:12] <holstein> OR, tell me what you did, and i'll do it
[17:12] <holstein> *would be better coming from you though i think
[17:12] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[17:13] <holstein> also, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel if you would like
[17:13] <holstein> Strayfolkx: im just thinking about getting it up somewhere since you *cant* be the only person struggling with this
[17:14] <Strayfolkx> yes, I found some entries @ ubuntu forums, I could answer them
[17:14] <Strayfolkx> that's the first you find on google anyway
[17:14] <holstein> well, whatever you feel like you have time for
[17:14] <holstein> in the studio community
[17:14] <holstein> i would think the other areas will get attention
[17:15] <Strayfolkx> I seem to share a lot of bugs with classic gnome 11.04 regardless of whether it's studio or not
[17:15] <holstein> yeah, not much longer though :/
[17:15] <holstein> XFCE though :)
[17:15] <holstein> thats going to be nice
[17:16] <Strayfolkx> it seems slick. I use awn and hide the gnome panel anyways :)
[17:16] <holstein> AH, thats the plan for studio 11.10
[17:16] <holstein> AWN with XFCE
[17:16] <Strayfolkx> I'll enjoy that
[17:19] <Strayfolkx> I have a beautiful desktop :) http://peterenroth.net/stuff/desktop.png
[17:19] <holstein> Strayfolkx: :)
[17:25] <dubphil> ok so jackd won't start with my user
[17:25] <dubphil> do I just have to tweek the limits.cof file ?
[17:27] <dubphil> n ²
[17:28] <holstein> dubphil: hey
[17:29] <holstein> for troubleshooting purposes only
[17:29] <holstein> try..
[17:29] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[17:29] <holstein> make sure it starts like that
[17:33] <dubphil> yes it runs well by gksudo
[17:33] <holstein> cool
[17:33] <dubphil> no xruns with the -generic ;)
[17:33] <holstein> so, make sure you are in the audio group
[17:33] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[17:33] <holstein> thats usually all there is to it
[17:36] <dubphil> is there
[17:37] <dubphil> specific value for the limits.conf file provided by ubuntustudio ?
[17:37] <dubphil> I have installed ubuntu-default-settings but my limits.conf didn't change
[17:41] <holstein> right, thats not going to do it
[17:41] <holstein> AFAIK, thats been depricated, but, you are having issues...
[17:42] <holstein> dubphil: what audio device?
[17:43] <dubphil> terratec PHASE 26 USB
[17:43] <dubphil> snd_usb_audio
[17:45] <holstein> i have both ubuntustudio and non studio ubuntu installs
[17:45] <holstein> 10.10 and 11.04
[17:45] <holstein> and i didnt need to edit that file for USB, internal or firewire
[17:45] <holstein> hmm....
[17:46] <holstein> dubphil: whats the message in JACK ?
[17:46] <holstein> when you try and start
[17:47] <dubphil> one minute I connect from my ubuntustudio :)
[17:49] <dubphil> hi
[17:49] <Strayfolkx> dubphil, I added myself to the video group also. I *think* that was the only thing I did to get jack running
[17:49] <dubphil> Strayfolkx: strange
[17:50] <dubphil> here is how qjackctl runs jackd:   /usr/bin/jackd -r -m -dalsa -dhw:1 -r48000 -p256 -n3
[17:50] <Strayfolkx> but I'm using firewire
[17:51] <dubphil> I have read that USB is better supported with 48000 and unpair periods
[17:54] <dubphil> the only interesting message that i see is : (translation from french) Jack as been stopped with outgoing status=255
[17:57] <dubphil> reload my session for the group to be taken in account
[17:59] <holstein> dubphil: yeah, you need to log out and back in at least
[17:59] <holstein> for the audio group settings
[18:02] <dubphil> no change :(
[18:02] <holstein> interesting
[18:02] <holstein> try again as root
[18:02] <dubphil> you have of course did something else
[18:02] <holstein> and make sure its not something with the hardware
[18:05] <dubphil> you are right when I did gksudo first I didnot check which card was used by jack2 and in fact it was my integrated pci hda intel card
[18:06] <dubphil> with the PHASE 26 it falls
[18:06] <dubphil> arf this card has always worked
[18:07] <holstein> AH, so thats the deal
[18:07] <holstein> double check though
[18:07] <holstein> make sure you can run JACK as normal user with the internal card
[18:07] <holstein> then, we can trouble shoot the PHASE
[18:08] <holstein> theres a handy JACK1 ppa if thats the case*
[18:08] <dubphil> yes it works in userland with the hda intel onboard card
[18:09] <dubphil> so it is my usb card :(
[18:09] <holstein> hey, now we know :)
[18:10] <holstein> dubphil: when you say it always worked? do you remember what kernel?
[18:10] <holstein> what JACK verion?
[18:10] <dubphil> in fact it was about 1 years ago 2.6.26 I think and a realtime one
[18:10] <dubphil> jack 1 sure
[18:11] <dubphil> I didn't try a reboot with the card plugged, sometimes it doesn't like the hotplug
[18:12] <holstein> is that one of these?
[18:12] <holstein> dubphil: thats acutally likely
[18:12] <holstein> do that, and see if you see it in lspci, lsusb
[18:12] <holstein> aplay -l
[18:12] <holstein> arecord -l
[18:12] <holstein> and we'll go from there
[18:15] <dubphil> I see it in all the command you've suggested but I reboot to see, at soon!
[18:31] <dubphil> the reboot did nothing
[18:33] <holstein> dubphil: OK
[18:34] <holstein> if you see it in aplay -l and arecord -l
[18:34] <holstein> THEN, JACK *can* use it
[18:34] <holstein> go in JACKctl again as normal user
[18:34] <holstein> look at 'setup'
[18:34] <holstein> you see 'interface'
[18:35] <holstein> its rather confusing there, but there are 2 drop down menus
[18:35] <holstein> you *should* see the device in one place or the other
[18:39] <dubphil> yes so my setup is hw1 for the phase 26 usb
[18:40] <dubphil> no realtime and no lock memeory
[18:40] <dubphil> memory
[18:40] <dubphil> 1024|48000|3
[18:41] <dubphil> driver alsa of course
[18:43] <holstein> right, but dont trust those labels
[18:44] <holstein> you might actually see 'terratec' something
[18:44] <holstein> you dont know that hw1 is the terratec
[18:45] <dubphil> yes i see phase 26 USB 16/48
[18:46] <holstein> right, so thats it
[18:46] <dubphil> do I have to set also output device and input device ?
[18:46] <holstein> you shouldnt
[18:46] <dubphil> they are set to default and default point to hw0
[18:46] <holstein> but, get it set to the terratech, and mess with whats in the other tab
[18:47] <holstein> right, try 'default'
[18:47] <dubphil> they were already to default
[18:47] <holstein> right
[18:48] <holstein> but, i dont think you were on the terratec under the other dropdown
[18:48] <holstein> the 'hidden' one
[18:48] <holstein> if its in aplay -l, then you *can*  talk to it with JACK
[18:48] <dubphil> yes i'm on it sure
[18:48] <holstein> its this fiddly step here
[18:49] <holstein> or, whatever commandline string it takes to kick it off talking to your device
[18:49] <holstein> dubphil: i have litereally just tried every combonation before
[18:49] <holstein> those labels are *not* right
[18:49] <holstein> and can actually change when you reboot
[18:49] <holstein> hw:0 and whatever...
[18:55] <dubphil> here is some info : http://pastebin.com/RzLXcHmt
[18:56] <holstein> yeah, you cant really take anything from there though
[18:56] <holstein> nothing's going to say 'jack will see this as..'
[18:56] <holstein> you just gotta find it
[18:57] <holstein> dubphil: can you go in the bios and disable the internal card?
[18:57] <holstein> that would simplify things a bit
[18:59] <dubphil> holstein: don't make me believe that the hw1 or hw0 mentioned by jack can be different than the Alsa setting even if they are equals ?
[19:02] <holstein> im just saying what has worked for me
[19:02] <holstein> *dont trust the labels
[19:02] <holstein> anywhere
[19:03] <holstein> if you say to me, 'i know its hw1' im saying, you cant trust the label anywhere even if you do know that
[19:03] <holstein> AND, those can change from boot to boot
[19:03] <holstein> if you have terratec chosen, then, thats all i do
[19:04] <holstein> with my USB devices
[19:04] <dubphil> ah I understand you say that I should always check if this part of the jack config is good every time I will start jack ?
[19:05] <holstein> well, i personally dont use USB
[19:05] <holstein> so, i have selected it
[19:05] <holstein> and tested
[19:05] <holstein> and unplugged
[19:05] <holstein> but, i see folks all the time with that migratory issue
[19:05] <holstein> some folks dont have that issue
[19:06] <holstein> but, im saying, if you get it rocking, and reboot, and it not working again
[19:06] <holstein> then, thats the first place i would look
[19:06] <dubphil> ok I understand
[19:07] <dubphil> thanks holstein and see you soon ! I must leave now