[00:02] <Guest52825> google said there's something called trickle
[00:10] <DarkEra> Does somebody know how to switch forward and back when watching pic's in Ristretto?
[02:20] <Secris> Decided to try out xubuntu today
[02:23] <Secris> not sure if I am going to like it
[04:54] <Zoe> Hi, I have two problems. My XFCE menu has lost all it's entries, and also my applications have no menus of their own. Any ideas how to fix this?
[05:06] <GridCube> mmm
[05:06] <GridCube> thats weird
[05:07] <Zoe> yeah, they both are
[05:07] <GridCube> try running >alt-f2 >xfce4-panel -r >run          and see what happens
[05:07] <Zoe> no
[05:07] <Zoe> didn't do anything :/
[05:08] <GridCube> mmm
[05:09] <Zoe> does it still use an xfce-menu.xml? I ran across some mentions of that during googling
[05:11] <GridCube> mmm i don't know
[05:11] <GridCube> in ~/.config/menus
[05:12] <Zoe> hmmm, any idea what a .menu.undo is?
[05:12] <Zoe> I've got 160 of them
[05:14] <GridCube> i think they are old versions of your menu, you could try moving them to another folder and do xfce4-panel -r
[05:14] <GridCube> all of them
[05:15] <Zoe> and that did in fact do it
[05:15] <Zoe> that was an amazingly frustrating experiaence
[05:15] <Zoe> thank you for clearing it up
[05:15] <Zoe> any ideas about application menus maybe?
[05:16] <GridCube> what applications?
[05:16] <Zoe> oh, like I'm chatting through Xchat right now
[05:16] <Zoe> and usually it has like, file, server some menus on top
[05:16] <GridCube> press f9
[05:17] <Zoe> no :(
[05:17] <GridCube> :(
[05:17] <Zoe> my pidgin is also missing it
[05:17] <GridCube> no other windows have borders?
[05:17] <GridCube> oh okay
[05:17] <Zoe> thunar
[05:17] <GridCube> you lack of window decorations
[05:17] <Zoe> I have decorations, as provided by emerald
[05:17] <Zoe> are menus and decorations put in by the same thing?
[05:18] <GridCube> yes
[05:18] <GridCube> thats the problem whit compiz related things
[05:18] <Zoe> :( switching to gtk decorator does nothing
[05:18] <GridCube> if you use compiz then do >alt-f2 >compiz --replace >run
[05:19] <GridCube> or >alt-f2 >xfwm4 --replace >run
[05:19] <Zoe> no change on any wm
[05:19] <GridCube> or >alt-f2 >metacity --replace >run
[05:20] <Zoe> nothing :(
[05:21] <GridCube> :(
[05:21] <GridCube> there is a fix for that
[05:21] <GridCube> let me find it
[05:21] <Zoe> ok
[05:21] <Zoe> so far, if I change the window decorator to gtk from emerald, it puts standard gtk window borders on
[05:22] <Zoe> switching to xfwm or metacity only removes compositing
[05:22] <GridCube> oh yes that will happen
[05:24] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/333780
[05:26] <GridCube> Zoe, ^^^^^^^^^^
[05:26] <Zoe>  I'm reading it
[05:26] <GridCube> :D
[05:27] <Zoe> hmmm
[05:29] <Zoe> so, that's not a surprising result, you can't have two window managers at once
[05:29] <Zoe> but when I use the gtk window decorator provided by metacity, still no application menus
[05:32] <GridCube> Zoe, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/495361
[05:37] <Zoe> hmmm, is there a way to change users, without logging out?
[05:40] <Zoe> This bug doesn't sound like what I've got. I do have borders around windows, min/max buttons, window titles &c.
[05:40] <GridCube> ...
[05:40] <Zoe> I've got a window decorator running
[05:40] <GridCube> i see
[05:42] <Zoe> I'm very confused why it would not show the menus :/
[05:46] <GridCube> :(
[05:47] <GridCube> im trying to find out
[05:47] <GridCube> i know this has happened to people before, but i don't remember how they fixed it
[05:47] <Zoe> I've only been able to google one mention
[05:47] <Zoe> unresolved :(
[05:49] <GridCube> :/
[06:01] <GridCube> Zoe, could you ask on #xfce ? make your question precise enough to be understood and they will probably know how to fix this
[06:01] <Zoe> ok
[06:01] <Zoe> Thank you for your help
[06:01] <GridCube> im sorry but i think the problem is that we dont know the proper terms to do the search
[06:02] <GridCube> "menu bar" ain't gonna be it
[06:02] <Zoe> yeah, I have no idea what to call these, since application menu seems to refer to the panel as well
[06:02] <GridCube> sorry for not being of better help
[06:02] <GridCube> yes
[06:02] <GridCube> thats the problem im hitting on my searchs
[06:02] <Zoe> oh, you have been very helpful, thank you
[06:02] <Zoe> I have a working "application" menu now ^_^
[06:02] <GridCube> :)
[06:32] <Zoe> Hi ^_^
[06:32] <ball> What does Xubuntu use instead of .xinitrc to start the window manager etc?
[06:32] <ball> Hello Zoe :-)
[06:33] <pleia2> in natty it uses the login manager gdm to launch, in the next release it'll use lightdm (just another login manager)
[06:33] <ball> pleia2: Oh.  I don't know how to use that stuff.
[06:33] <ball> Just wanted to specify what got started.
[06:33] <Zoe> Is there a way to login as another user without ending the current session?
[06:34] <ball> (what calls gdm?)
[06:34] <pleia2> gdm is run as a daemon that's started when the machine boots up
[06:34] <Zoe> gdm is called by upstart on runlevel 6, I believe
[06:34] <pleia2> so: service gdm start
[06:34] <pleia2> yeah
[06:34] <pleia2> but not 6 :)
[06:34] <pleia2> 6 is reboot
[06:34] <ball> Oh dear.  This is all a bit alien to me then.
[06:35] <ball> I'll try killing Xfwm manually
[06:35] <ball> Hmm... something respawned it.
[06:36] <ball> Ah, got it
[06:36] <ball> Thanks pleia2
[06:37] <pleia2> glad you got it figured out :)
[06:47] <ball> pleia2: Clearly I have a lot of reading to do to figure Linux out.
[06:47] <ball> It's strange: I'm new to Linux even though I first installed it from 5.25" 1.2M floppies.
[08:04] <alx> I want to know how check if my Xu have MySQL already Installed???
[08:08] <Sysi> try to install it, it will tell you if it's already there
[08:08] <Sysi> or search for mysql on synaptic
[08:08] <Unit193> Or dpkg -l |grep sql    :D
[09:37] <hatalar205> Can anyone suggest a good rss reader
[09:50] <bazhang> !find pan
[09:50] <bazhang> whoops
[09:50] <bazhang> !info pan
[09:50] <dubphil> hello, my nic is not supported by the ubuntu 11.04 kernel yet so I want to install packages from the cdrom, but xubuntu mount it automatically not in /media/cdrom , how can I make synaptic happy to find the cdrom ?
[09:52] <dubphil> I have tried ln -s /media/Xubuntu\\\ 11.04\\\ amd645 /media/cdrom but synaptic always tells unable to find the mount point /media/cdrom -stat , any idea ?
[09:52] <bazhang> dubphil, why not packages.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <Sysi> find out where it's mounted and point synaptic there? or isn't that possible
[09:53] <dubphil> bazhang: because I haven't got the network
[09:54] <bazhang> dubphil, how are you on irc
[09:54] <Sysi> download on other machine and move them with usb-stick, or cd
[09:55] <dubphil> bazhang: from another computer yes
[09:55] <bazhang> dubphil, see Sysi 's suggestion
[09:56] <dubphil> Syzi: ok I can do this but there is something broken with synaptic and Xubuntu
[09:57] <Sysi> shouldn't be, but possible
[09:57] <Sysi> (i don't use synaptic)
[09:58] <dubphil> Xubuntu mount directly the cdrom with a variable file name ie: /media/Xubuntu 11.04 amd64 then synaptic try to find it on /media/cdrom
[09:59] <Sysi> you can umount it and mount it where you want to
[10:00] <Sysi> sudo umount /path/there ; sudo mount /dev/cdrom (/sr?) mount -o loop -t iso9660
[10:01] <dubphil> Sysi: what means /sr ?
[10:02] <Sysi> it can also be /dev/sr
[10:04] <dubphil> yeah cool it works thanks a lot !
[10:04] <dubphil> I tried before to unmount, butr I had "device busy"
[10:04] <dubphil> now it's ok
[10:06] <dubphil> arf finally not it mounts but something unmount it directly
[10:06] <dubphil> after
[10:10] <dubphil> arf    sudo apt-cdrom add resolve my issue
[15:26] <jacobmar1ey> There doesn't seem to be anything ongoing here. I'mma ask a question then. I'm running a clean install (not an upgrade) of natty on my EeePC 1015PEM. When I connect to a wireless network, the notification pops up.
[15:27] <jacobmar1ey> If I suspend and come back, when the notification pops up agian, there are TWO entries for "Do Not Show This Message Again"
[15:27] <jacobmar1ey> This keeps increasing until I reset the computer, and the notification gets so big it goes off the screen sometimes. Anyone else have this issue?
[16:26] <perelin> hi all
[16:26] <perelin> I was wondering how to get my thinkpads thinkvantage button to work with xfce
[16:27] <perelin> thinkwiki had no answer :(
[16:27] <perelin> any ideas?
[16:41] <jacobmar1ey> What would you like it to do?
[16:42] <jacobmar1ey> I'd run xev from a terminal to get the keycode from it, than just assign a command to that keycode
[16:52] <dvanstone> will xubuntu fit on a  4.3 g hdd ?
[16:54] <TheSheep> yes
[16:54] <TheSheep> you might need to use the laternate cd though
[16:55] <dvanstone> ok
[16:55] <TheSheep> alternate
[16:55] <dvanstone> I understood thanks
[17:15] <xubuntu825> hello
[17:16] <xubuntu825> amazing in on irc while xubuntu installing))
[21:09] <ubuntu__> hello :)
[21:09] <ubuntu__> anyone there?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[21:27] <ubuntu__> someone is a smart ass
[21:27] <ubuntu__> I need help getting a xubuntu live usb to install updates
[21:27] <IdleOne> watch the language please
[21:28] <ubuntu__> Oh I wont swear
[21:28] <charlie-tca> If you don't ask a question, you won't get any help. Most of us gave up trying to guess long ago.
[21:28] <IdleOne> open a terminal and type sudo apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[21:29] <ubuntu__> I get not enough disk space
[21:29] <IdleOne> but if it is a live usb I am not sure what you are trying to update
[21:29] <ubuntu__> I thought I was out to lunch there
[21:29] <IdleOne> those updates will not be there next time you boot
[21:29] <ubuntu__> Thats my problem also
[21:29] <IdleOne> it isn't a problem it is intended behaviour
[21:30] <ubuntu__> So the live usb is not a permanent os
[21:30] <IdleOne> I think what you probably want is a persistant USB but depending on the size of the usb you might still have the issue of not enough space
[21:31] <ubuntu__> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/creating-an-xubuntu-live-usb-from-cd/
[21:31] <ubuntu__> I'm using a 300gig
[21:31] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[21:32] <ubuntu__> is that link the correct procedure for complete install on a usb
[21:32] <ubuntu__> not live install?
[21:32] <IdleOne> that is for a live install - live install is like a test drive
[21:33] <ubuntu__> right i don't want that
[21:33] <IdleOne> the link I gave you will show you how to make a "real" install where updates will be persistent accross reboots
[21:33] <ubuntu__> will it be able to boot from another pc as well?
[21:34] <IdleOne> if that other pc can boot from USB yes
[21:34] <ubuntu__> nice so it will do my updates and keep installed apps and also act live a live cd and will boot from any usb bootable pc
[21:35] <IdleOne> it will act like a real install on other pc's without touching the other pc's HDD
[21:36] <IdleOne> so yes anything you install will be saved
[21:36] <IdleOne> basically you will be able to take your Ubuntu anywhere and boot to it like you were home
[21:37] <ubuntu__> thats what I want... will I have to format the hdd ... I can't fo that at this time
[21:39] <IdleOne> you will have to format the partition that Ubuntu is installed on I believe.
[21:39] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: ^^
[21:40] <ubuntu__> the usb drive is fat32 and the live usb install is on the only partition
[21:40] <charlie-tca> You shouldn't have to format the hard drive to create the persistence USB drive
[21:40] <ubuntu__> ic
[21:40] <charlie-tca> You format the usb drive, right?
[21:40] <ubuntu__> I origonally formatted to be used on a xbox
[21:41] <ubuntu__> then later installed the live usb in it though windows
[21:41] <ubuntu__> windows is the pc os on internal drive.  still there
[21:41] <ubuntu__> buggy though
[21:41] <charlie-tca> so, yes, you will be formatting that drive.
[21:41] <ubuntu__> friends pc and don't want to mess with the os
[21:41] <ubuntu__> damn
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't either. You won't touch the internal drive, just the usb drive.
[21:43] <ubuntu__> so the answer to the ultimate question is yes... I must format the usb drive to install a persistant ubuntu os...
[21:43] <IdleOne> the only drive being formatted is the USB one
[21:43] <ubuntu__> i get that
[21:43] <IdleOne> correct
[21:43] <ubuntu__> what about creating a ne partition
[21:44] <ubuntu__> I would like to try and not disturb the files in the usb
[21:48] <ubuntu__> well I'll hang on here for a bit for your opinion and thanks for your help... is there anything I can do to help your rating or say thanx soewhere for your hlp guys?
[21:50] <IdleOne> you just did :)
[21:51] <ubuntu__> again thanx
[21:52] <ubuntu__> I'm going to boot from cd and delete the live install on the usb drive
[21:52] <ubuntu__> then see if I can partition the drive and install without disturbing the existing files
[21:53] <ubuntu__> My names Dave and if I end up back here I'll use dave as a username so you can remember me
[23:59] <raevol> hmm, why is fmodex showing up in the notificationa rea for my sound input?
[23:59] <raevol> well, it's showing a volume control for my mic
[23:59] <raevol> but i have no idea why