[00:06] give kexi a try too [00:07] it's the best koffice program imo === recifewop is now known as wildgoose2 === Keshl_ is now known as Keshl === matic is now known as Guest84534 [00:59] KDE4 going to run okay on 500MB RAM? [00:59] 2GHz+ proc [01:00] don't see why not [01:01] depending on what graphics card/chip you have, you may have issue with all the fancy effects, but they work fine on my little intel chip [01:01] k I'll keep it in the running, thanks [01:01] yeah these people will be okay without the effects :) [01:01] although it'd be cute if they worked, heh [01:01] I tend to turn them off after a couple of months, get bored with windows wobbling [01:02] I've never cared for fancy effects, but people I know seem to like them :p [01:02] and they're good for a few minutes of amusement [01:02] I still have copies of Novell's original Xgl demo vids [01:03] including the narrator guy saying something like "so there you have it, yeah... not really like USEFUL for all that much, but... yeah" [01:03] graphics acceleration in general though, sure :) === matic is now known as Guest66099 [02:02] how come the monospace font doesn't render (hinting) the same as all the other fonts? === root is now known as Guest75705 === naught103 is now known as naught101 === dijital is now known as mastd [03:22] Hey, I'm trying to get Wine 1.2 to work on Kubuntu, and it seemed to work, but it doesn't seem to have made the /home//.wine/ directory, is there any way it made it somewhere else, or if not, that I can completely remove Wine and restart? [03:28] is anyone answering questions here? [03:29] sometimes, but it's more often than not very quiet [03:30] I guess it's all a question of waiting till someone that actually knows the answer pass by [03:37] hmmmm, true, and I've had success with regular Ubuntu, guess I'll try another derivitive. [03:39] it's Saturday night, and the Europeans aren't up yet [03:40] Americans are out doing something fun [03:41] lies! [03:42] Americans are likely out partying. [03:47] partying = fun [03:47] I hope [03:47] it's an urban legend [03:47] * valorie is drinking wine, at least, and listening to birdsong [03:48] I'm drinking cold green tea (eww..), listening to Dubstep, and teaching myself C. [03:48] I mean, if working on the Amarok Handbook doesn't qualify as fun,. what does? [03:48] wait, we're Saturday? [03:48] Saturday here, all day [03:48] evening now [03:49] morning [03:56] all of this is OT!!! i should turn you all in!!! [03:56] dang [03:56] who? what now? [03:57] * jmichaelx ok, ok i take it back [03:57] * valorie sprinkles the fairy-dust moving the OT to #kubuntu-offtopic [03:57] nothing to see here, move along...... [03:57] alright.... haha [03:58] geesh, i liked it better with the OT convo [03:58] that will teach me not to complain.. [03:58] there's actually a #kubuntu-offtopic channel? [03:58] KimLaroux: there is [03:58] * KimLaroux raises an eyebrow. [03:58] sometimes lively, sometimes dead [03:59] what happens if you mention Kubuntu in the kubuntu off-topic channel? [03:59] If it's like #ubuntu-offtopic and you're asking for support, you'd get poked to #kubuntu. Hopefully it's not like #ubuntu-offtopic though, we're all nuts in there. [03:59] sounds... great [04:00] haha [04:00] SIR_Taco: mentioning kubuntu in kubuntu-offtopic, would be trying to bring things onto the topic the channel was designed to get away from, therefore making your topic again off-topic [04:01] SIR_Taco: you would just be kicked back to #kubuntu [04:01] :-D [04:01] jmichaelx: I'm glad you found the joke in that :) [04:01] i did [04:03] * valorie hands out popcorn [04:04] popcorn is always on topic! [04:04] lol [04:05] I <3 amarok too. [04:05] KimLaroux: yes, it's great... don't know why people get all grumpy about the changes in 2.X though [04:06] People don't like change. [04:06] SIR_Taco: it was kind of bad for a while, but has gradually become really good again [04:06] Actually, I use Aqualung when I want to listen to a whole album. Why? Because Amarok doesn't have any semblance of gap-less playback. And that just sucks. [04:07] jmichaelx: true, but I toughed it out :) [04:09] KimLaroux: never used Aqualung.... I'll have to check that out [04:10] It's a audiophile-level player, supports all sort of DSP plugins and stuff. It was built with quality of playback in mind, no flashy GUI. It doesn't even have laft.fm support. [04:10] looks like Gimp and Xmms got together and had a child lol [04:12] bah, more like it popped out of dark matter or something. It's all standalone, doesn't depend on anything. [04:12] it does look interesting, I'll have to give it a try [04:13] I'll be back in a minute.... [04:14] gapless is *almost* there [04:14] if you want to help, show up in the #phonon channel [04:14] I have all the champagne and glitters waiting for it [04:14] tdfisher is working on it [04:21] this stupid game is going to be the death of me I think [04:36] poor erik [04:37] isn't it 'alas poor Yorick' [04:37] ? [04:38] but it's easier to suffer the slings and arrows of grave mis-communication :) [04:55] puns+Shakespeare ftw! [04:56] haha [05:03] valorie: don't worry... I wont bite my thumb at you [05:07] join #chat [05:25] ok... fun penguin (and Linux by association) related video... makes me laugh http://youtu.be/bnm85jraE8s [05:49] anyone using Thinkpad T420? [05:50] my touchpad doesn't word [05:50] work [05:52] phoenixlzx: have you tried this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ? [05:55] SIR_Taco: my touchpad hasn't word since I installed kubuntu.... [05:55] work,sorry [05:55] what version? [05:56] kubuntu 11.04 [05:56] touchpad:ultranan multi touchpad [05:56] I've never had a problem with any of mine [05:56] ultranav [05:56] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191924#c9 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191924#c16 [05:56] bugs.gentoo.org bug 191924 in Applications "x11-drivers/synaptics-0.14.6 and xorg-server-1.4 are incompatible" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] [05:57] seems to be a problem with the xorg.conf file... removing what they suggest in the above posts seems to fix the problem [05:57] SIR_Taco: should i edit xorg.conf? [05:58] phoenixlzx: I would, yes [05:59] seems to be a bug, and that's the work-around.... unless you want to wait for a fix :) [06:03] SIR_Taco: is this ok? http://paste.kde.org/81013/ [06:03] SIR_Taco: i added line 6 [06:04] phoenixlzx: seems so... did you remove any other lines? [06:04] SIR_Taco: no [06:04] phoenixlzx: well, give it a shot [06:04] SIR_Taco: ok,i will try. thanks a lot [06:04] trial and error are good for the learning experience :) [06:09] SIR_Taco: X Server down [06:09] Fatal Error:No screens found [06:10] SIR_Taco: it happens when i installed nvidia nvs4200m driver and run 'nvidia-xconfig' [06:11] SIR_Taco: finally i turn off the nvidia optimus in the bios and then it works. [06:11] phoenixlzx: hmmm... you could remove the xorg.conf entirely.... it should create a new one next time you boot. Might fix the problem, assuming the fix has been passed down [06:12] that's very odd [06:12] SIR_Taco: i agree.So i should delet xorg.conf and reboot? [06:13] phoenixlzx: it definitely wont hurt anything... with any luck it will re-detect everything, and set the right values [06:14] SIR_Taco: then i will continue to try.thanks [06:14] np [06:16] SIR_Taco: guess what? [06:16] what? [06:17] SIR_Taco: it still doesn't work... [06:17] hmmm [06:17] SIR_Taco: i think i have installed the right driver [06:17] you don't have the trackpad toggle off, do you? ;) [06:18] no,idon't [06:18] phoenixlzx: you shouldn't have to install a driver, the synaptic driver is in the kernel [06:19] let me go get my laptop out of the car and see what's going on... give me a minute [06:19] SIR_Taco: see this... [06:19] http://paste.kde.org/81019/ [06:34] phoenixlzx: well... seems my laptop doesn't have an xorg.conf file... and everything seems to work fine.... but according to the bug report you should remove "CorePointer" and "CoreKeyboard" from your xorg.conf that you posted earlier (http://paste.kde.org/81013) [06:36] hey room [06:36] SIR_Taco: i deleted the xorg.conf file,so i don't have an xorg.conf file either [06:39] phoenixlzx: sudo xorg -configure [06:40] Server is already active for display 0.... [06:42] hi all. i am running efax v. 3.0.17 and i want to update to v. 3.2.1 to go over some bugs. is there any way to update using terminal? [06:42] phoenixlzx: wont work if you're in KDE/X [06:42] SIR_Taco: yes,i'm using KDE [06:44] phoenixlzx: you'll have to use the command either by loggin in via "recovery console" or by logging out of KDE and shutting down X [06:44] SIR_Taco: can i use nvidia-xconfig? [06:44] phoenixlzx: yea, you can use that too [06:45] Unable to locate/open X configuration file. New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' [06:45] SIR_Taco: should i edit it? [06:46] phoenixlzx: yep, see if those "core" devices are in there as I mentioned above [06:47] SIR_Taco: i find them..i should delet them,and add "touchpad"? [06:48] so you have: InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"? should be : InputDevice "Mouse0" [06:49] SIR_Taco: yeah,i have done that. I mean,if i should add "InputDevice TouchPad" [06:50] phoenixlzx: I would try it without first, if it doesn't work, then try adding it. (it really should figure all this out on it's own) [06:52] phoenixlzx: boot times are good atleast :) [06:53] :) [06:54] still no mouse? [06:54] SIR_Taco: [06:54] SIR_Taco: yas [06:54] SIR_Taco: ...http://imagebin.org/157874 [06:56] SIR_Taco: also this http://imagebin.org/157876 [07:00] Hey all, who's up at this time of night? [07:00] phoenixlzx: how about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9740761&postcount=22 [07:00] LINKSWORD2: no one is up, we're all sleeping... you're just dreaming [07:01] lol [07:01] SIR_Taco: I can't get Google Chrome to install. I have tried several times, yet it isn't working. [07:02] LINKSWORD2: how are you trying to install it? [07:02] [08:00:13] Hey all, who's up at this time of night? ⇐ not night, it is 0802 here. ;) [07:03] It's 00:00 here. lol [07:03] it's 02:03 here [07:03] :) [07:04] I got up two hours ago. [07:04] hmmm,it's just 14:04 here. so i just working. [07:05] By the way, anyone know how to change the clock to 24-hour mode? [07:05] I live by 24 hour mode, and the whole AM/PM thing throws me off. :/ [07:06] LINKSWORD2, what do you do with an analog clock? [07:06] LINKSWORD2: still an overlooked bug === anonboo is now known as wildgoose [07:06] wild, I beat people with analog clocks... [07:06] Analog clock can have 24 hours, too. [07:07] my watch only goes up to XXIV [07:08] my watch battery died so it's a madhatter piece [07:08] LINKSWORD2, Did you get your drive sorted? [07:08] I wonder why the box „Set date and time automaically“ is unchecked but my clock is exaclty set. I never set my clock. [07:08] Howdy all, any wine users in the house? [07:09] Maybe I set a crone job. [07:09] KerrMD, Probably, what's the next question? [07:09] Graf_Westerholt: Perhaps it was set at install? [07:09] wine users? or abusers? :P [07:09] My install is a few years ago. :) [07:09] !cronjob [07:10] Nope, wildgoose, I just copied the files that I was using to make Kubuntu look like a Mac system onto a USB key, then did a re-install. [07:10] wildgoose: I am running the latest wine (I think) with wow 4.1 and on occasion graphical/sound/input issues whenI alt tab out of and back into the game [07:10] And afterward, installed the files from the USB key. [07:10] full screen mode in opengl with the latest ati drivers [07:10] SIR_Taco: it still won't work [07:10] ati radeon hd 5770 iirc [07:11] SIR_Taco: while i added "InputDevice TouchPad" into xorg.conf,should i add something else? [07:13] SIR_Taco: i mean,there are mouse and keyboard in origin file,and there also have keyboard and mouse section [07:13] wine is 1.2.2, my mistake [07:13] hmm [07:16] phoenixlzx: just for fun (to set my mind at ease, that the mouse is actually working).... open Konsole (Alt-F2 -> type: "konsole"), then type: sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0 and run your finger over the trackpad... you should end up with a bunch of odd symbols... hit CTRL-C to stop it [07:18] Would any of you know of a room here thet deals with basic computer support? I used to be in a M$ chat room PCHC back in the day and kind of miss helping others in computer or tech areas. [07:18] lol................................................................. [07:18] "?/ [07:19] KerrMD: what would you like to know? [07:19] SIR_Taco: http://imagebin.org/157878 [07:20] SIR_Taco: nothing, I used to be an op in PCHC and was hoping to get into the support game again. If at least, in chat form [07:20] SIR_Taco: so i think whether i should add an "InputDevice"Section for TouchPad if i added it [07:21] hi all. i am trying to update a package but i recieved ths error http://paste.ubuntu.com/624923/. Any idea to go over this problem? [07:21] phoenixlzx: but do you get output with the 'cat' command I mentioned for mouse0? [07:22] SIR_Taco: a bunch of "????" [07:22] ilias: did you try --force? [07:22] SIR_Taco: that's for my laser mouse,not trackpad [07:22] no. give me details for it plz. [07:22] or try purging. It looks like it's trying to overwrite itsenf [07:22] itself [07:23] sudo apt-get purge efax-gtk [07:23] then sudo apt-get install efax-gtk [07:23] phoenixlzx: ok... but it gave you ????? for the trackpad or the mouse? [07:25] SIR_Taco: i move the mouse,and it poured many lines of "????",but i use tackpad,it has no reaction [07:25] phoenixlzx: ok... what do you have for devices under /dev/input ? [07:26] ignore event devices.... [07:26] by-id mice touchchip-1-1.3 by-path mouse0 [07:26] ok. i 'll try it and i 'll report the result. one more thing for now. to update efax i installed eugenesan repos. i rebooted and i know i recieved a warning from system notifications to get some security and bug updates. i gave yes. i see that eugenesan repos something install in my system. is that safe? [07:28] SIR_Taco: by-id mice touchchip-1-1.3 by-path mouse0 [07:28] actually the update wasnt completed because of the same problem. efax cannot be updated. [07:29] eugenesan, I am not familiar with that or the program you are trying to install. I am just going by the output you posted. [07:29] apachelogger: Does adding the ppa:neon/ppa mean that gwenview, amarok, kate and *all* the apps in neon, will *all* be upgraded to nightly git versions, or do people have to *choose* to install neon versions of specific apps after adding the ppa?... === k is now known as Guest5353 [07:33] phoenixlzx: you can try changing the "mouse0" in the xorg.conf to "touchchip-1-1.3" [07:33] SIR_Taco: but my mouse? [07:33] @kerrMD: before i proceed with purge could ypu plz explain me how can i use --force command? [07:34] SIR_Taco: and the "InputDevice"Section,how should i change it? [07:35] phoenixlzx: when you plug it back in, it should figure it out.... give me a second and I'll mock one up [07:40] phoenixlzx: https://launchpad.net/~andrew-woodhead666 https://launchpad.net/~northridge maybe? [07:41] SIR_Taco: sorry,but i have other things to deal with,i will try it next time.Thankyou for your help. [07:42] you're welcome... I can't replicate the problem, so it makes it hard to figure out the problem [07:47] Ack, did ilias log?discussion with the wife ... ilias, "man apt-get" without the quotes [07:50] well,well,well. i gave purge and then install but look here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624942/ === Keshl_ is now known as Keshl [07:52] ilias: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"? [07:53] no, do i have to do it now? [07:53] ilias: I would try it, yes [07:53] i did it. now what? [07:53] again -install? [07:53] ilias: thats a packaging error. are you using some ppa? [07:54] yep [07:54] did it give an error? or any other feedback? [07:54] no nothing. [07:54] no answer after sudo dpkg --configure -a [07:55] and when i gave install i got the same errors [07:55] ilias: is this a production system? [07:55] and now i dont have installed either my previous version! [07:55] Thanks for picking up my slack guys. Domestics.... [07:56] what you mean a production system? [07:56] and please advise me if iI've lapsed in my advice [07:56] ilias: is the system used for important production, ie. if its broken, then how many people suffer? :D [07:57] ok... it's far too late/early... (3am)... need to go to bed... [07:57] night SIR_Taco sleep well [07:57] just me. but i have to make it from the begin [07:58] ilias: try this: sudo apt-get remove efax && sudo apt-get install efax-gtk [07:58] jussi: , no purge? [07:58] KerrMD: purge shouldnt be necessry [07:58] looks like it worked! [07:59] now check of it actually did work :D [07:59] no error message now. should be installed the new version [07:59] ie. does the program function [07:59] jussi: I just ask because I would. never hurts if you're removing [07:59] wait [08:00] KerrMD: purge would remove config files, and its possible he doesnt want that [08:00] I had an instance recently where a remove then purge made the diff but that was with ati divers [08:00] drivers [08:00] KerrMD: in his situation, it shouldnt matter. [08:00] jussi: just the configs for that program yes? [08:01] yep it's the new version remembering my old settings (maybe efaxrc wasn't removed) and it find the modem as the previous did it. [08:01] jussi: You are saying that a config file could, in no way, be the issue? [08:01] purge purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too). [08:01] jussi: I know [08:01] KerrMD: for the pastebin problem he had, I would say so. [08:03] so, thanks, do i need anything else to do? [08:05] and finally solved as i have read googling the issue of sending *.ps files. [08:05] KerrMD: the apt-get issue was a conflict of files between 2 packages. we removed the first and installed the second [08:06] thank you very much guys for your help. i have to say once again how helpful you are always! [08:08] do i need anything else to do? [08:16] Well, that didn't go according to plan... [08:17] For reasons unknown, I'm unable to install anything new to my system. === sipherdee_ is now known as sipherdee === Keshl is now known as Guest71161 === eagles_znc is now known as eagles0513875 [08:48] wildgoose: I'm not able to install Google Chrome, or Pidgin IM. [08:49] Sorry for not responding earlier. I'm working on 3 computers at once. === mycroft is now known as 17WAAL80J === Guest71161 is now known as Keshl === 17WAAL80J is now known as goldfishlaser === Freejack is now known as Guest8299 [08:55] LINKSWORD2, What error are you running into === lolcat_ is now known as lolcat [09:09] No error at all, it just doesn't install. [09:10] When I download Chrome to install it, it runs GDebi Package Installer, and appears to install, but it doesn't complete. [09:10] After it appears to install, I have checked the programs lists, and Google Chrome is not listed. [09:12] LINKSWORD2, What happens if you sudo apt-get install? [09:13] I would need the appropriate command line for that. [09:13] !chrome [09:14] Konsole: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [09:14] google-chrome-stable : Depends: libcurl3 but it is not going to be installed [09:14] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [09:17] GAH!!!! I've tried the solutions it recommends, and it's giving me more errors [09:17] Same stuff. [09:18] LINKSWORD2, please pastebin the output. [09:19] I've already put the output up on here. [09:20] !history [09:20] !nolove [09:21] pastebin.Kubuntu.com [09:21] .... Fail. [09:21] LINKSWORD2, the output of 'apt-get -f install'? [09:22] Time for a new one... [09:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/624989/ [09:23] You should not rune 'apt-get -f install google-chrome-stable' You should run 'apt-get -f install' with no packages. [09:24] LINKSWORD2 google-chrome-stable is installed. [09:25] That's not the case. It says it is installed, but it is NOT in the programs directories. [09:26] Run 'google-crome' or 'crome' from the commandline. [09:26] *chrome of course. [09:26] What command, specifically? [09:26] Sorry LINKSWORD2? [09:26] Is it just "run google-chrome" or something? [09:27] ok, you do not know how to use the command line? [09:27] Just type 'chrome' and hit enter. [09:28] Without the ' [09:28] I can get it to install stuff like Gimp and OpenOffice with commands. But I'm not the most Linux savvy... [09:29] OK, 'google-chrome' worked. [09:29] fine. [09:30] It's not in the applications menu, however. [09:31] LINKSWORD2, yes, maybe it is a bug. But I am sure it is in the menu thex next time you start KDE. [09:31] Not being in the menu means not that it is not installed. [09:32] I've also tried restarting the system a couple times. [09:32] Try ALT+F2 and type in google-chrome and hit enter. [09:32] I'll try again, and we'll see... But I'm expecting the same results. [09:33] You do not have to reboot the system. [09:33] relog in KDE would work. [09:33] Well, it's also 3 AM here. I'm logging off for the night. [09:33] And if the problem persists, I'll attack it from another angle later. [09:34] Sayonara, Graf-san. === look is now known as Guest67407 === nox_ is now known as nox250 === jao is now known as Guest13297 [10:21] How can I set the display colour to grey? [10:36] ping === szal_ is now known as szal === nemo is now known as phoenixlzx [11:37] hello everyone, i experience odd behaviour when starting firefox and thundbird. both windows are _not_ maximized. how to turn on maximized on start? [11:38] pwn4g3: maximize and then close. next start will be maximized [11:39] kubu2: tried that, doesn't work :( [11:39] pwn4g3: works for me [11:39] very odd [11:40] pwn4g3 try the setting for the windows at fullscreen. [11:40] pwn4g3 right mouse at the title of the window, configure window behaviour. [11:41] or better advanced. [11:41] special applikation settings. [11:41] Graf_Westerholt: got that open, where is the setting? [11:42] placement? [11:43] At „geomerty“ check fullscreen. [11:44] Got it, pwn4g3? [11:45] or try 'maximised…' instead of 'fullscreen'. [11:45] yes Graf_Westerholt, thanks a bunch :D [11:45] np [11:47] ah, interesting, found the cause [11:48] 1.) start firefox 2.) drag unmaximized window to upper left corner 3. use the mouse in the lower right corner to resize as much as possible (will snap to edge) 4.) restart [11:48] no need for special settings [11:50] you are really odd.. [11:50] what you did can be done just as well by clicking max button [11:51] no kubu2 [11:51] when clicking maximize the window manager will _not_ remember it [11:51] well, but you are right i am an odd guy nevertheless [11:51] pwn4g3, works with only maximize it, close, open, window is maximized. [11:52] doesn't for me for whatever reason [11:52] that is ok. :) That' bescause I gave you the other way. ;) [11:54] pwn4g3: you can even drag window to the top edge and it will maximize for you [11:55] yea i know kubu2, i love that feature [11:55] i like placing them half screen next to each other for debugging :) [12:10] pwn4g3: I doubt that, I always open FF maximized, just by having clicked its Maximize button on 1st use [12:11] oh great, now everyone thinks "there is the idiot that can't maximize a window" [12:13] * szal knows that there can be oddities in window behaviour [12:13] try e.g. LibreOffice.. window sizes of existing documents will be remembered, but try to open a new document maximized, you'll likely fail === bLuCiFeR is now known as blu [12:15] szal: mine is maximized O.o [12:15] maybe try to reproduce with a new user account? Maybe it has something to do with false permissions in a temp settings folder or document [12:16] pwn4g3: ooh nice, mine too.. [12:19] Has anyone ran in to an issue when you copy a large file to USB data carrier, the system become very slow and laggy. Even typing lags. [12:20] define 'large' [12:20] 7.6GB [12:20] no Aterus, you mean using dolphin? [12:20] define 'USB data carrier' [12:20] USB key [12:21] filesystem? [12:21] Hiyas [12:21] And the copying speed is extremely unstable ranging from 10 Mbps to 500kbps or so [12:21] Ext4 on PC and NTFS on the key [12:21] i copied large file in ubuntu before and never had this issue [12:22] no idea about NTFS-formatted keys [12:23] I think i might take that back. My laptop is playing up. I used a different port and it works flawlesly. [12:37] !info guarddog natty [12:37] Package guarddog does not exist in natty [12:37] !info guarddog [12:37] !find guarddog [12:37] File guarddog found in kde-icons-mono, openclipart-png, openclipart-svg [12:38] um, no [12:50] amichair: looks like guarddog is dead, last news on their homepage is from March 2007 [12:51] hi all. does any one know if i have to fix something in kmix to may hear my modem speaker? i have already given M2L2 commands to the modem but i cannot hear it dial or ring. [12:56] is there a replacement project for guarddog? [12:59] szal: just looking for the package, guarddog does exactly what it's supposed to so it doesn't really require much updating [13:00] pwn4g3: from what I gather, it's all ufw and gufw now. Too bad. [13:01] amichair: guarddog requires KDE3, I doubt you'll find that anywhere for Natty ;) [13:01] unfortunately [13:01] and the description on the homepage says "firewall for KDE 2" ;) [13:01] hm. i'll give it a shot. what harm can it possibly do? (famous last words) [13:01] hehe [13:03] that is some tidy interface -.- === michael is now known as Guest53802 [13:46] hi! [13:48] I'm using 10.04 and after latest update X won't start. Is there something i could do? [13:58] smose: mm [13:58] smose: selecting another kernel [13:58] ? [13:58] smose: have you used proprietaty graphisc drivers ? [13:59] proprietaty* [13:59] rry* [13:59]