[05:22]  * MrCurious struggles to find qemu-system-arm
[12:29] <armin76> ogra_: got an origen board?
[22:24] <MrCurious> this keyring really annoys me
[22:24] <MrCurious> headless machines should not require a login to bring up network
[22:24] <persia> Which keyring?
[22:25] <persia> They don't, but to not do so you need to configure the network, rather than relying on Network Manager
[22:25] <MrCurious> unlock login keyring
[22:25] <MrCurious> the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer
[22:26] <MrCurious> and to configure the network not relying on network manager, guessing there is not a nice gui for that
[22:26] <persia> There's gnome-network-properties, but it doesn't get as much care, no.
[22:27] <persia> Right.  The package is called gnome-network-admin.
[22:30] <MrCurious> installing that, see where it takes me :D
[22:35] <persia> If it doesn't quite do what you want, editing /etc/network/interfaces is likely to do the right thing.
[22:35] <MrCurious> yeah
[22:45] <MrCurious> sigh. i think login keyring has it wrong
[22:45] <MrCurious> if the user is auto logged in, should inherit its privs, and keyring acess
[22:46] <persia> No, it intentionally doesn't.
[22:46] <MrCurious> as asking for a pw after defeating a login pw request makes no sense
[22:46] <persia> The idea being that autologin shouldn't automatically unencrypt your secrets.
[22:46] <MrCurious> so intensionally allows them to login un challenged, but block them for touch ing teh net?
[22:46] <persia> No.  Network access works *unless* there is a password.
[22:47] <MrCurious> is it possible to uninstall this keyring, so all apps can go back to the pre-keyring behavior?
[22:47] <persia> pre-keyring is ~ 2007
[22:47] <MrCurious> i am ok with that
[22:47] <persia> Sure, but Ubuntu wasn't compiling ARM back then.
[22:47] <MrCurious> indeed
[22:47] <persia> I suppose you could take the source of an old release, port to ARM, etc. ...
[22:48] <MrCurious> what a PITA if you want to have a wireless networked system with the option to plug in a head
[22:49] <MrCurious> i think there is a usability issue here that has not been addressed, or i am the only crazy person who wants their computer to connect to wifi before they login
[22:49] <persia> No, lots of folks want that: the common use case is $HOME-on-nfs
[22:49] <MrCurious> that cant be. i MUST have configured something wrong this install, as i THOUGHT it was auto logging in and connecting to teh network at one time
[22:50] <MrCurious> shouldnt the wifi WPA2 setup be somewhat easier to find/enable then?
[22:51] <persia> Yeah, well.  Talk to the GNOME folk who decided this was the right model.
[22:53] <persia> But keep in mind the counter-argument: just because someone happens to pick up your laptop, you don't want them to have all your passwords.
[22:55] <MrCurious> or the argument that wifi password does not belong on the keyring
[22:55] <MrCurious> i am suddenly wishing for a debian dist
[22:57] <MrCurious> perhaps this is the answer i seek
[22:57] <MrCurious> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[22:58] <stgraber> MrCurious: it's possible to have a system-wide setting in NetworkManager. It's ini-format files in /etc/NetworkManager/. Not sure if that still works with NetworkManager 0.9 but it definitely worked with 0.8 (used for a few customers who needed network for login)
[23:00] <persia> Debian's Network Manager behaves the same.
[23:01] <persia> stgraber, Does that correspond with "make available to all users"?
[23:01] <stgraber> persia: I think so. IIRC that feature would convert your network definition from gconf+gnome-keyring into the .conf file in /etc/NetworkManager
[23:02] <persia> That feature is still present in 0.9, although I'm not sure of the mechanism.