[04:22] I'm back? [04:41] head_victim, ping [04:41] sagaci: here :) [04:41] what's happening [04:41] Just dropped the wife at work thinking about being constructive and doing some jobs around the place here [04:48] can we do the mock meeting now? [04:48] sorry, the weekdays just went so fast [04:49] Sure mate [04:50] so start off with a "#startmeeting"? [04:50] Yes, only the chair should do that as it assumed whoever issues that command to be the chair [04:50] So go for it [04:52] #startmeeting [04:52] Meeting started at 22:52. The chair is sagaci. [04:52] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [04:52] I should have PM'd you some details now [04:52] yeah, just meeting details [04:52] meeting started at xxxx and chair is me [04:53] Cool it will do that throughout the meeting as different commands are issued [04:53] [TOPIC] test test test [04:53] See it won't let me set a topic as I'm not the chair [04:53] you wouldn [04:53] n't do roll call as a topic [04:53] ? [04:54] Not really, it's just to allow time for stragglers to arrive and people to realise it's starting [04:54] so just ask who's around for attendance [04:54] Yep, people don't have to do anything but if they want their attendance noted they have to put some input into the channel at any stage in the meeting [04:55] [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ [04:55] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ [04:55] agenda [04:55] [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ -- agenda [04:55] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ -- agenda [04:55] righteo, I see that works [04:55] Also if you put a link at the start of the line it will auto link it I believe [04:55] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ -- agenda [04:55] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ -- agenda [04:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam like that [04:55] yep [04:56] ok, time to move to the next topic... [04:56] [TOPIC] Team Maintenance -- Jared [04:56] New Topic: Team Maintenance -- Jared [04:57] [TOPIC] Team Maintenance -- Jared Norris [04:57] New Topic: Team Maintenance -- Jared Norris [04:57] correct syntax? [04:57] Yeah that works [04:58] Makes it obvious who's point it is [04:58] [IDEA] Jared's cool idea [04:58] IDEA received: Jared's cool idea [04:59] [IDEA] I just changed the final topic back to benny now he has shown up in the team on loco [04:59] IDEA received: I just changed the final topic back to benny now he has shown up in the team on loco [05:02] So yeah it's not really that difficult, I usually have a web page open with the mootbot instructions in case I have a momentary mental lapse [05:03] yeah, that sounds like a good idea [05:03] might need a vote for #4 [05:04] Well the application is almost ready actually [05:04] I did a bit of work on it yesterday morning [05:04] I've had a council member check it out and they asked for more pictures so I obliged [05:05] yeah [05:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Approval2011 [05:05] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Approval2011 [05:05] ah ok, something I've been totally out of the loop of, tbh.. I'll have a look through it [05:06] That's ok, they were stump grindiing out the front of my house yesterday morning after a night shift so instead of sleeping I go all constructive and basically copied and updated the last one [05:07] yeah [05:11] Alright so the commands make sense? [05:13] yeahp, seem to [05:13] #endmeeting [05:13] Meeting finished at 23:13. [05:15] Action is used for anything that someone says they will do after the meeting [05:15] Agreed is generally used after a vote to signify the outcome [05:16] Anyone can issue an idea [05:17] Didn't realise it was that easy! [05:17] #startmeeting [05:17] Meeting started at 23:17. The chair is blahdeblah. [05:17] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [05:17] * blahdeblah is awesome [AGREED] [05:17] #endmeeting [05:17] Meeting finished at 23:17. [05:17] :-P [05:18] blahdeblah: it's made in the spirit of Ubuntu users, it was never meant to be hard ;) [05:18] And the great thing is, now it's on record! :-) [05:19] It does probably need a bit more user control so that only those meant to vote can vote, etc, in the case of the -meetings channel where it often gets confusing when non members vote in teams they shouldn't really be [05:19] blahdeblah, now email the log to yourself to remind yourself of your awesomeness [05:19] But for channels like ours it's pretty good. [05:23] troll-free zones [05:23] Maybe an option for only voiced people to vote or something an djust voice the people who need it [05:24] but isn't everyone able to vote [05:24] sagaci: in here, yes, in ubuntu-meeting depends on what meeting is running [05:24] oh yeah, but we'd never need to use ubuntu-meeting for our stuff [05:25] Well we could but I don't see why we'd bother [05:26] blahdeblah: damn you for posting links to awesome equipment I want to waste money on :P [05:26] que? [05:26] Planet post [05:30] Some guy's new x220 [05:31] sagaci: oh and how blahdeblah used [AGREED] wouldn't work, it needs to be at the start of the line [05:32] head_victim: If you buy a Thinkpad, it's not a waste of money, no matter what you do with it. ;-) [05:32] * blahdeblah heads off to play ball with his boy [05:33] blahdeblah: well, not a waste, but money that doesn't exist in my budget :P Enjoy, maybe see you later at the meeting [05:33] Not likely - bad time for me [05:33] Ah bugger [05:34] Well I guess we'll see how many turn up [05:34] sagaci: you all good with the commands now? I might head off to do some work if you're comfortable with it al [05:35] head_victim, yeah, seems to be ok... sure you won't pass out from lack of sleep? [05:35] Hah I've just slept 20 hours from yesterday lunch to this morning so all good [05:35] Yesterday morning was when the stump grinding happened [07:18] ready for tonights meeting? [07:19] yep [07:26] I won't be available :-( but I'll be logging it [07:37] tom_a_sparks: now it's on Sunday - yes :) [08:18] hello? [08:18] hello [08:20] I was wondering what happens at the official meetings? [08:20] I'm a big fan of open sourced software and wanted to start dipping my toe in so to speak [08:23] alex_, we talk about things we can do as a loco, tonight's agenda - http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ [08:24] thanks sagaci :) [08:27] sagaci, is it possible to to lodge interest in joining without atetnding the meeting tonight, I dont think I'll be able to get on === didymo is now known as 92AAC947N [08:51] !netsplit | mrshr3d [08:51] mrshr3d: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [08:51] :D === alex_ is now known as TBU-The_Barefoot === TBU-The_Barefoot is now known as Barefoot-Ubuntui === Barefoot-Ubuntui is now known as Solex [09:11] head_victim: thanks [10:34] benonsoftware: if you want to start reading about the team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports is the main page with the idea behind it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo is a good howto and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports is our team's efforts [10:35] We're a little behind, there is no april or may [10:35] So we can practice by making those 2 tonight later on [10:38] Yeah I can see we're a bit behind. Do you know where the past IRC logs for the meetings are? [10:38] Yeah they're all in the meeting details eithe ron the wiki or loco.u.c [10:39] Thanks I'll browse them now. [10:40] Cool [10:40] I just keep forgetting about them unfortunately [10:45] I know. It's hard to read on my screen. [10:45] Cool well looks like we're going to have a reasonable turnout tonight for the meeting [10:45] Maybe the change to Sunday will work out after all [10:46] Well because of the long weekend it is the only reason why I'm cos of school. [10:46] Any chance to rotate Firday, Sat, Sun? [10:47] We used to hold them Tuesday [10:47] But we're working on ways to get more involvement [10:47] I need them either Fri, Sat so I'm sure I'll be there [10:47] Fun reading the IRC logs. [10:48] head_victim, I might be a bit late to the meeting, due to dinner going a bit later than expected [10:48] jaddi27: no worries [10:49] 10 more Min! [10:49] sagaci: ping :) [10:52] 7 more minutes [10:52] yeppers [10:52] My first meeting! [10:53] my first meeting as chair [10:53] Congrats [10:54] Good luck 6 more minutes [10:54] I just realised you can create group events on the facebook account [10:55] Exerlent [10:55] Why has access to the Facebook account? [10:55] 4 more min [10:56] facebook is something for the meeting [10:57] Translating at the mommerment too [10:57] i would be but I don't have a mouse with me [10:57] Yes it's hard without it. [10:58] 2 more min [10:58] Damm you Windows updates [10:59] Anyone know a Gary M in tranlations [10:59] He's pretty prolific, I think he's actually in NZ though from memory [10:59] Time [10:59] Thanks [10:59] let the party begin :) [10:59] sagaci is our current translation king [11:00] Why else translats me, him who else? [11:00] Heaps of people, about 80 have contributed to the current set of translations for enAU [11:00] ready to go [11:00] Yep [11:00] :) [11:01] #startmeeting [11:01] Meeting started at 05:01. The chair is sagaci. [11:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:01] Agenda at [LINK] -- http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/93/detail/ [11:01] sagaci: anything with [] needs to be at the start of a line [11:02] yep, figured that 8) [11:02] anyway, who's here for the meeting? [11:02] * head_victim waves [11:02] Me [11:02] yo [11:02] Me [11:02] hi [11:04] Are we ready? [11:04] yeah, I was just waiting a few moments for anyone else to come in [11:04] Sorry [11:05] shalll we move onto your first item, head_victim ? [11:05] Evening dns-streak [11:05] sagaci: sounds good [11:06] [TOPIC] Team Maintenance -- Jared Norris [11:06] New Topic: Team Maintenance -- Jared Norris [11:06] I just wanted to let people know that sagaci has put his hand up as chair person and benonsoftware has put his hand up for team reporter [11:06] take it away, head_victim [11:07] So that being said I think it would be good to have 2 or so for each role so there is a bit of redundancy [11:07] BUT at least this means we can get started [11:07] So if anyone else is still interested please sing out. [11:07] I am happy to help out with either of those roles as well, but I may put my hand up for the social media stuff later on if that is an issue [11:07] head_victim: I am completely unsure as to what the role of report writer entails beyond the obvious but I'd be willing to help [11:08] I had put this on the agenda wihtout realising I'd have people already tee'd up so thanks to sagaci and benonsoftware for putting up their hands [11:08] an issue doing both, that is [11:08] No probs [11:08] somethinginteres: you able to hang around a little after the meeting? I'll be running through it with benonsoftware if you wanted to see what it was about [11:08] being fairly new to the role, I'd be likely to not miss out on any of these meetings or events, but things can happen and I certainly don't mind someone else volunteering and helping out :) [11:08] head_victim: sure [11:08] jaddi27: I'm ok with people doing more than one thing each but as long as they aren't going to be over worked [11:09] ok. I will wait until later in the meeting to see what I am doing [11:09] jaddi27: no worries [11:10] Other than that the only team maintenance stuff is the website update, I asked for an update via RT but I haven't been told how it's going from Canonical's end so as soon as I hear I'll post the mailing list [11:11] Ok, that would be good. [11:11] Good [11:13] Ok that about covers me [11:13] righteo, thanks for that [11:14] [TOPIC] Social Media accounts -- Joel Addison [11:14] New Topic: Social Media accounts -- Joel Addison [11:14] My topic then. [11:14] At the last meeting, and in the mailing list, there has been a discussion about how best to use Social Media [11:15] The main points for the meeting is to decide if and how we would like to change our accounts to best get messages out to people [11:15] I've actually been quite enlightened about how it all works recently talking to a bunch of people about it [11:15] At the moment there is an identi.ca group, and a Facebook group [11:15] Could I suggest linked in, or perhaps a status.net instance [11:16] Could you have a Twiiter account? [11:16] dns-streak, Sure, but I will have to get you to fill me in on those better [11:16] From what I can work out it would probably be best to set up identica and twitter as individual accounts instead of groups [11:16] A twitter account is a must as far as I am concerned [11:16] And I also propose a Facebook page [11:16] Yeah with the seperate accounts [11:16] linkedin would also have hi volume but I am not familiar with it. Its userbase is massive [11:16] A Facebook page would be cool [11:16] don't really have that much input on this social media topic but I'd say that information about release parties, LoCo events (ubuntu global jam, etc) would be most beneficial [11:17] sagaci: that's the goal, only specific loco related stuff, not random spam [11:17] I can foresee setting up events on Facebook for events, as well as sending out info via all of the other channels [11:17] The only issue is can facebook import ical feeds? [11:18] No, not as far as I know [11:18] However, I am more than happy to set up events on the Facebook page [11:18] I don't want to create duplication so if we can host it all on loco.u.c and then use the ical feed for other places it makes more sense [11:18] Facebook's "events" stuff is pretty Facebook-centric i.e. no ical afaik [11:18] jaddi27: that would feed in nicely with team chair then [11:19] [ACTION] jaddi27 to set up events on the Facebook page [11:19] ACTION received: jaddi27 to set up events on the Facebook page [11:19] Do I have approval to set up a Facebook page first? [11:19] So are we happy with facebook being a group and twitter and identica being single accounts? [11:19] jaddi27: there is already a group page [11:19] I am happy with that [11:19] I am happy with that too. [11:20] The group would be best changed to a page, as it is easier to send messages and events out to people. [11:20] as long as it is as streamlined as possible, less work for the people having to manually update at all [11:20] Is there a way to achieve that seemlessly for those 300+ people already subscibed to facebook group? [11:20] Mind if I add anyother agenda item? [11:20] Identi.ca and Twitter accounts, and Facebook Pages can all be linked for posting status messages [11:20] benonsoftware: go for it [11:21] Thanks [11:21] head_victim, I think there may be a way to get around it, by adding the Page as a member of the group (assuming that is possible) [11:22] Maybe not, actually [11:22] I know there will be a way to transition from one to the other [11:23] jaddi27: I know for another group I was in there didn't appear to be an option like that [11:23] Suggestion: Set up a Facebook Page, and keep the group, and work out which one ends up working best for people [11:24] Ok so does the facebook thing need more discussion on the list? [11:25] head_victim: I think so given migration is not seemless [11:25] head_victim: perhaps contacting facebook directly is a good idea and asking them the way forward [11:25] It might do. There was a bit of a discussion earlier about it on the list, with the main point being that Pages can post updates to the wall of people, whereas groups only post updates to the wall of someone else if they are a friend of the person who posted the status in the group [11:26] [IDEA] jaddi27 to research the idea of a facebook group/fan/account and provide suggestion to mailing list with pros and cons of each [11:26] IDEA received: jaddi27 to research the idea of a facebook group/fan/account and provide suggestion to mailing list with pros and cons of each [11:26] I am happy to do that [11:26] If he needs help I could help? [11:26] no worries, anything else, jaddi27 ? [11:27] Do we want to set up a Twitter account [11:27] and an identi.ca account === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [11:27] I think we need one. I could run it if you want to? [11:27] I don't think they need more discussion on the list [11:27] Ok I'll create them both [11:27] And send details to the list so everyone can add them [11:27] I am happy to administer them as well [11:28] I could too. [11:28] [ACTION] head_victim to set up twitter and iden.ti.ca accounts for ubuntu-au [11:28] ACTION received: head_victim to set up twitter and iden.ti.ca accounts for ubuntu-au [11:28] Ok, well I'll get them set up and we'll sort out admin on the mailing list [11:28] Sounds fine to me [11:28] Ok good thing [11:29] ok to proceed? [11:29] Fine wiht me [11:29] Fine with me. [11:29] [TOPIC] Australian LoCo Re-Approval Application - Benny [11:29] New Topic: Australian LoCo Re-Approval Application - Benny [11:29] Ok [11:30] Ready to start? [11:30] sure [11:30] Yes [11:30] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Approval2011 [11:30] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Approval2011 [11:30] ty head_victim [11:30] Based on benonsoftware's suggestion I knocked up a quick wiki page to bring our previous re-approval up to date. [11:30] Well on the Homepage it says we have lost our offfical status what exactly happend? [11:30] Thanks for the page [11:31] Essentially it was determined we didn't meet the criteria [11:31] Ok. [11:31] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006166.html [11:31] What can we do that we are not doing now? [11:31] That was the response from the council. [11:31] We have certainly fixed up a lot of the problems that were mentioned [11:32] I think we're actually starting to do most of the suggestions [11:32] I think so too. [11:32] The only thing I think we need more effort on is running actual events [11:32] Sure thing [11:32] The events are starting to happen more [11:32] I agree [11:32] which kind of relates to the later agenda items [11:32] Yes [11:33] and we are promoting it more. [11:33] now although this meeting's attendance isn't the best ever, it's certainly an improvement over the last couple we've had. It's something we need to capitalise on, since we only meet once per month [11:33] Ok, well I think if we allow time for people to contribute to that wiki page linked above we should submit and get the council to either approve us or give us feedback at least [11:34] How many is at this meeting? [11:34] Yes, that would be a very good plan [11:34] 7, 8. maybe [11:34] a few apologies [11:34] I think part of it is to figure out -what- sort of events we can run that are interactive and social. In a sense, computing is a solo exercise to a large degree but I think things like bugjams etc could happen perhaps more often on an informal basis? [11:34] informal, albeit [11:35] We should have our own online DevDays? [11:35] somethinginteres: release parties are going strong I was hoping for more computer fairs, uni IT groups, etc [11:35] benonsoftware: Ubuntu run events very cycle which we are starting to participate in which is good [11:35] the last three agenda items could easily roll up as things we're doing towards re-approval [11:35] somethinginteres: yep that's why I forwarded on that email to the list a few days ago about community week [11:36] head_victim: yeah. Thanks for that btw, should be an interesting week. :) [11:36] somethinginteres: Yep [11:36] head_victim: community week, meaning jono's six months of rocking blog post or something different? [11:37] sagaci: I think it's one of the events mentioned in his blog [11:37] But yeah it's like the global jam and bug days but more focussed on ubuntu-classroom I believe [11:38] benonsoftware: thanks for bringing up the reapproval, was there anything else you had in mind? [11:38] head_victim: but we can still tie in our own events to line up with u global jam and other events [11:38] Promotion thats all [11:38] head_victim: Are you familiar with what sort of activities for example, the Uni IT groups undertake? I'd be happy to investigate the situation in regards to starting one for Adelaide if there was interest and I had some idea of what we'd do :) [11:39] sagaci: yeah that's the idea [11:39] somethinginteres: I know my local lug did a presentation at the O week stuff for new IT students [11:40] somethinginteres, The lug head_victim is talking about basically handed out CDs and spoke briefly to a first year software lecture [11:40] jaddi27: yep, short 5 - 10 min presentation and then a stand at the open day [11:41] That's pretty lame :) [11:41] I think it would be great if we can integrate with LUGs around the place, no need to double up on everything [11:41] benonsoftware: it's better than what we did. [11:41] The 5-10min presentation could have been better, because I think they were trying to promote Fedora more, but more people wanted to know about Ubuntu [11:41] For sure [11:41] jaddi27: you were there? [11:41] I only heard reports on the mailing list [11:42] head_victim, Yes, I was there when they did it at UQ [11:42] I'd like to pick your brains on it later to get ideas if you don't mind. [11:42] jaddi27: hmm. well I think a Uni is a good place to cultivate interest in open source software. When something like O-Week next rolls around I will get some discussion going on the list in regards to doing something similar [11:43] head_victim, somethinginteres, I am happy to talk about it later with both of you [11:43] jaddi27: no worries [11:43] [IDEA] allow input to approval page for 2 weeks on the mailing list then submit for reapproval [11:43] IDEA received: allow input to approval page for 2 weeks on the mailing list then submit for reapproval [11:44] I second the idea [11:44] jaddi27: cheers, just don't want the meeting running heaps over time when it's probably better suited to just general channel chatter [11:44] I third the idea [11:44] third [11:44] sagaci, Maybe it is time for the next topic [11:44] ok [11:44] er, should we vote on reapproval now, at it's final state or not at all? [11:45] Vote for what again sorry? [11:45] I think it can go to the mailing list, as per the Idea [11:45] righteo, no worries [11:45] [TOPIC] Translations -- Joel Pickett [11:45] New Topic: Translations -- Joel Pickett [11:46] I would just like to firstly point out that sagaci is leaving us all for dead as far as translations go and should be applauded for his efforts. [11:46] Ok, so I just wanted to bring up the translations effort the en-AU [11:46] Yes well done Joel. [11:47] in raw terms, we're about 60% complete, or roughly 146000 strings to go [11:47] good going [11:47] Yes, I've been helping any others here? [11:48] sagaci: we could organise a jam if you like to coincide with this release's global one again? [11:48] Set a goal of X number of strings? [11:48] so head_victim and I contemplated downloading the .po files and editing them by hand, due to the relatively limited strings we need to change [11:48] Ok. Good idea for the jam, [11:49] I've been editing online you? [11:49] however, due to the precise syntax and amount of false-positives, I actually find it a lot more compelling to just use the web-based method [11:49] Yeah we've all basically only been doing it online for now [11:49] I might have some time on my holidays to assist with the translating [11:49] sagaci: ah so you checked it out a bit and foudn it's not as bad as it seems? [11:50] Yeah. It's alot easier [11:50] [IDEA] integrated a translation day/effort in conjunction with the ubuntu global jam (oneiric cycle) [11:50] IDEA received: integrated a translation day/effort in conjunction with the ubuntu global jam (oneiric cycle) [11:50] Just adjust the previous wiki page we had set up to organise it if you like [11:51] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation [11:51] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation [11:51] even though it seems like trawling paddocks, it's much more precise to do the rest by hand and then manually download the remaining packages to correct any errors [11:52] sagaci: I'm happy to take your lead on that, you seem to be quite at home with translations :) [11:52] if we do it now, it's not really worth it, considering the 40% of dialog, center, color... it's easier to just go through the web method, imo [11:52] As long as we search the main packages (nautilus, unity, etc) for the common bad terms we should be right [11:53] Well I mean when I set up the launchpad-au team, it seemed like there were a few takers... so there still is an interest in making ubuntu more australian-friendly [11:53] head_victim: most of those are done :) [11:53] Hell yeah localisation rocks. [11:53] Did you ever get that approved? [11:54] head_victim: not yet, as discussed before, the main issue was chromium-browser and xchat, which will be pulled when lubuntu hits official [11:54] but I'll eventually put in the application [11:54] Ah ok [11:55] I mean if people prefer downloading .po's and doing it manually, go for it but I've found it fairly cumbersome, when you should be find/replacing every possible iteration of the differences between the languages [11:55] anyway [11:56] [TOPIC] Software Freedom Day -- Jared Norris [11:56] New Topic: Software Freedom Day -- Jared Norris [11:56] Yahh [11:56] I know it's only June but I thought we should start contacting our local LUGs about contributing to SFD in September [11:56] [LINK] http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [11:56] LINK received: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [11:56] I think so too. [11:57] I'll email the list of lugune to see if we can get a stand [11:57] ok [11:57] If I can get information on this by the end of July/early AUgust I can probably look at getting some schwag from Canonical for id (CDs, stickers) [11:57] I would love th eCds [11:59] What it comes down to is it's much easier to ask for stuff when it's well organised and documented [11:59] head_victim: anything in the pipeline for HUMBUG? [11:59] sagaci: nope, was going to ask in the next week or so though [11:59] Brisbane doesn't seem to have a history of doing much for SFD according to the website [11:59]