[00:44] <airurando> night night #ubuntu-ie
[20:44] <airurando> evening
[20:47] <steampunkey> hi there
[20:47] <steampunkey> not here to talk about GNU/Linux
[20:47] <steampunkey> hope you won't mind going OT with me
[20:47] <steampunkey> i'm interested in the meaning of these lyrics: http://www.kinglaoghaire.com/site/lyrics/song_364.html
[20:47] <steampunkey> is it ironic?
[20:49] <steampunkey> what happened at "Erin's border"?
[20:51] <moylan> well ireland is an island and the only border of any significance is the one between north and south.  a lot has happened at that border.
[20:52] <steampunkey> i hoped for some insight rather than deduction, no offense ;-P
[20:53] <moylan> well it's a song so it's stuffed with methaphors that are a little vague.  sorry.
[20:54] <steampunkey> Perhaps I should mention that Wolfe Tones have preformed it for "50 Great Rebel Songs and Ballads"
[20:54] <steampunkey> maybe the Irish from the north would know, but #northernireland is invite only :-(
[20:55] <steampunkey> (make that two hashes: ##northernireland)
[21:14] <steampunkey> ehm what
[21:18] <airurando> what's confusing steampunkey?
[21:44] <steampunkey> the song. ;-)
[21:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:45] <steampunkey> i thought i reconnected, but it was just a topic switch
[21:47] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[21:48] <airurando> steampunkey I find that song confusing to.
[21:48] <steampunkey> heh
[21:48] <airurando> steampunkey where are you based?
[21:48] <steampunkey> A Catholic European country
[21:49] <steampunkey> Actually, you can see my IP. I'm from Croatia
[21:49] <moylan> sooooo not ireland :-D
[21:49] <steampunkey> anonymity fail
[21:49] <steampunkey> moylan: that'd be correct. I'm not an Ubuntu user either. Debian here.
[21:51] <airurando> steampunkey not sure what the best IRC channel would be to get a definitive answer to you Question.
[21:51] <czajkowski> steampunkey: try debian on oftc
[21:52] <steampunkey> czajkowski: O.O
[21:52] <airurando> steampunkey: moylan probably gave the best response possible from this channel.
[21:53] <moylan> the question was about irish song lyrics.  i'm a history buff and know my was around both the wolftones and irish history and it's ringing no specific bells.  give me 5 minutes and i'll google the bugger.
[21:53] <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings
[21:54] <steampunkey> [20:53] <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings
[21:54] <czajkowski> ok
[21:55] <czajkowski> thought it was a tech question hence my comment re debian
[21:55] <steampunkey> k
[22:06] <moylan> well i could find history for some of the wolf tones songs but not 'the rights of man' https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wolfe_Tones_discography
[22:06] <moylan> considering that the border is only 90 years old it is odd that there is no specific history in relation to such a new song.
[22:22] <paxcoder> moylan: your last sentence doesn't sound right
[22:23] <moylan> might be getting somewhere.  http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5530#471631
[22:29] <airurando> must dash... night night all.
[22:39] <moylan> i can only think that many irish trad songs end up changing over time.  in 1798 there was no border so a reference in a song would make no sense while in 1968 when the wolf tones recorded their version it would.
[22:41] <paxcoder> *shrugs*
[22:41] <paxcoder> thanks for trying
[22:47] <moylan> still thinking on it.  the only division of note that caused strife in 1798 was that between protestant and catholic.  ironically most people forget that wolf tone was a protestant.
[22:58] <moylan> especially with the line 'with each communion'
[23:04] <paxcoder> moylan: i don't get the queen in it
[23:05] <paxcoder> makes it sounds like a loyalist song o.O
[23:09] <moylan> well the uk has only had 2 queens when it comes to ireland queen elizabeth i and queen elizabeth ii.  i think in this case the queen represents ireland.  especially with the reference to grainne