[00:14] <IdleOne> !blueprint is <reply> Information about Blueprints in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[00:23] <IdleOne> lolmatic in -ot
[00:29] <IdleOne> jpds: can you check and see why !blueprint works in PM with ubot4 but not in channel?
[00:30] <pleia2> !blueprint
[00:30]  * pleia2 hugs ubottu 
[00:31] <IdleOne> I added it to ubottu, assume it syncs with the rest of the ubot's but why isn't it working in the channel with ubot4 :/
[00:31] <tsimpson> which channel?
[00:31] <IdleOne> -women-projects
[00:31] <tsimpson> ok, what happens when you try !blueprint?
[00:32] <pleia2> no s
 Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:32] <Flannel> ubot4 knows about it.
[00:32] <IdleOne> yeah it replies in PM
[00:32] <IdleOne> just not in channel
[00:32] <Flannel> IdleOne: if you !-blueprint, what happens? (in channel)
 Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:34] <tsimpson> odd
[00:34] <tsimpson> it should either not work at all or just work, not work in one place and not another
[00:41] <IdleOne> tsimpson: | and > don't work either
[00:41] <IdleOne> not sure if that is relevant or not
[00:48] <tsimpson> !no blueprint is <alias> blueprints
[00:53] <IdleOne> !no blueprints is <reply>An explanation of what a blueprint is can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint. Want to suggest or discuss ideas of a future project/feature?  With Launchpad you can track blueprints (feature specification summaries) from discussion through review, approval, and implementation.  See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/
[03:09] <bazhang> describing an issue with gnome3 as "just a wee issue"
[03:10] <bazhang> !gnome3
[03:23] <rww> perhaps they meant "just a whee issue", as in "whee, this rollercoaster of pain is delightful!"
 what, can't I say goddamn? goddamn
[03:27] <bazhang> from PM
[03:28] <charlie-tca> Isn't gnome 3 in oneiric now?
[03:28] <bazhang> yep, or will be
[03:30] <bazhang> gnarlbert now
[03:33] <rww> bazhang: apologies if you didn't want them unbanning and exempted, btw, but it seemed like the +b was unintentional
[03:33] <bazhang> rww, yep, the floodbots do it on remove
[03:35] <bazhang> ugh more macbuntu
[04:03] <rww> I for one love it when people (e.g. XAMPP users) come in to #ubuntu, get told that their silly thing isn't supported in #ubuntu, and continue asking anyway :|
[04:04] <bazhang> gnome 3 is my fave du jour
[04:04] <rww> indeed
[08:16] <bazhang> anyone checked binglang in -ot?
[08:16] <Flannel> bazhang: He was warned by chu_, we'll see if he continues
[08:16] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks
[08:18] <Flannel> bazhang: he's just replying to the other guy
[09:38] <rww> pleia2_, hypatia_: You got unidentified from freenode thanks to a netsplit. Please reidentify :)
[09:38] <rww> Jordan_U_: you appear to be signed in to Jordan_U_ rather than Jordan_U. Not sure why you have two accounts, but there you go.
[09:40] <Jordan_U_> rww: I have two accounts because I set them up a long time ago before I knew I could set things up so that I could log into Jordan_U while my ghost of a previous connection still existed.
[09:41] <Jordan_U> rww: Thanks :)
 your mom is evading
[11:12] <bazhang> and more fun like that
[11:12] <ldunn> well that's not very nice!
[16:45] <pleia2> rww: I was sleeping ;)
[18:01] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu TECHX attitude, smartmouth (im not going to take orders from you)
[18:03] <rww> pleia2: I figured, just letting you know :)
[18:03] <pleia2> rww: fwiw it doesn't help, I fix such things before I read highlights :\
[18:04] <rww> ah, k. My client starts spamming Nickserv whenever it reconnects, so I dunno how most people do it ;)
[18:05] <pleia2> mine will auto-id if I have my regular irc nick, not alts
[18:05] <pleia2> could fix it, but it happens so rarely
[18:50] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu-server TECHX shows same or even worse attitude now in -server as previously in #ubuntu
[19:37] <rww> !away > SJK_24601_is_not
[19:44] <Juest> hi
[19:44] <rww> hello!
[19:44] <Juest> i was banned again from main ubuntu...
[19:45] <Juest> i am **
[19:45] <rww> one sec, I'll go take a look
[19:45] <Juest> ok
[19:47] <CarlFK> Juest: do you have a launchpad page?
[19:48] <rww> CarlFK: What does that have to do with anything?
[19:48] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, I'm looking at the record now. While I'm doing that, can you describe why you think you were banned?
[19:49] <CarlFK> rww: gives me an idea what else someone does
[19:49] <Juest> wah....
[19:49] <rww> CarlFK: That's not really relevant to what they've done in #ubuntu, which is the determining factor for whether they should be allowed in it.
[19:49] <Juest> well, i lied to someone there when it asked if i had left rooted gui...
[19:50] <Juest> i use rooted gui
[19:50] <topyli> bad idea, but no reason to be banned
[19:51] <Juest> but it doesn't matter because i need help with packages cludging
[19:52] <Juest> umm, yeah, bad idea... seems the guy who banned me didn't tolerated that
[19:52] <Juest> ummmm
[19:52] <Juest> well
[19:52] <Juest> so?
[19:52] <Juest> ah, i don't remember who banned me
[19:52] <rww> it was ikonia. I'm pondering the situation with a couple of others right now, hang tight :)
[19:53] <Juest> errr,  does log says about kicking reasons?
[19:53] <Juest> ah yeah....
[19:53] <Juest> ikonia, right
[19:54] <IdleOne> Juest: patience :)
[19:54] <Juest> i don't remember my kick/ban reason...... and, Why rooted gui is unsupported
[19:54] <Juest> ????
[19:54] <Juest> ok
[19:54] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, here's the deal. I'm fine with removing your ban, but you need to understand that running as root isn't a good idea and running as root itself and the consequences of doing so are not supported in #ubuntu
[19:54] <rww> !root
[19:55] <rww> that URL has a lot of info on the subject
[19:55] <Juest> ah thanks...
[19:56] <rww> As I understand it, you run as root on a daily basis, right?
[19:56] <Juest> i know the risks about rooted gui,  but i like ti
[19:56] <Juest> to*
[19:57] <Juest> yes, i login as root in a daliy basis...
[19:57] <rww> Alrighty. Do you have a non-root user available on your system?
[19:57] <IdleOne> Juest: problem is that #ubuntu does not support running as root. So if you are having problems consider that it may be because of running as root
[19:57] <topyli> Juest: it doesn't matter much then whether or not you are allowed to #ubuntu. your use case is not supported
[19:57] <Juest> and i mainly use root to avoid pw asks
[19:57] <Juest> ok
[19:58] <Juest> i have three nonrooted users...
[20:00] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:00] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:01] <IdleOne> so your going to join flood instead?
[20:01] <IdleOne> good plan
[20:01] <rww> Juest: the join/quitting isn't helpful, can you stop it please? (and did you get my last message?)
[20:02] <Juest> umm
[20:02] <rww> alrighty, I'll repeat it :)
[20:02] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:03] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:03] <Juest> i am sorry, is my internet, i am on a phone
[20:03] <rww> I figured. A lot of phone IRC clients /quit when you switch apps.
[20:04] <Juest> phone frezzes and disconnect begins
[20:05] <Juest> i use android ( androIRC )
[20:05] <Juest> look my whois
[20:05] <rww> I know. Can you answer my question, please?
[20:05] <Juest> what question?
[20:05] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, a couple of ideas. One is that you can disable password prompts for sudo, which while not recommended is a lot better than running as root all the time. The info on that is at http://tinyurl.com/3hxmmjb. Another is that you could test problems you're having using your non-root account first and only visit #ubuntu if you have the problem there too.
[20:05] <rww> Does one of those ideas work for you?
[20:05] <Juest> aw well
[20:06] <Juest> yes, i am pretty sure that yes but i didn't tested, that's more complex than rooted gui
[20:06] <Juest> well
[20:07] <Juest> and my problem is system wide
[20:07] <Juest> so root or not iy
[20:07] <rww> By "system-wide", do you mean you tested on a non-root user?
[20:07] <Juest> it¥
[20:07] <Juest> oops
[20:07] <Juest> yes
[20:08] <Juest> is apt-get
[20:08] <Juest> ...
[20:08] <Juest> packages...
[20:09] <rww> Alrighty, here's the deal. I'll unban you from #ubuntu. Now and in the... ALKFHAJKLNEFGAEJKFNAOKCF
[20:09] <Flannel> Juest: Hold still please.
[20:09] <Juest> rww...
[20:09] <rww> Alrighty, here's the deal. I'll unban you from #ubuntu. Now and in the future, you need to check with a non-root user before asking for help in #ubuntu, and use that user when we're working with you in #ubuntu to fix issues. Okay?
[20:10] <Juest> hey, i am sorry, internet sucks
[20:10] <LjL> Juest: you're responsible for just giving rww a heart attack i think
[20:10] <Juest> ok
[20:10] <Juest> lol
[20:10] <rww> Based on your quit messages, I'm doubting that's an issue with your connection and not your use of your application, but that's neither here nor there, apart from the fact it's irritating as heck.
[20:10] <Juest> yes
[20:10] <Juest> very sorry
[20:11] <Juest> wifi + internet really sux
[20:11] <rww> Juest: Alrighty, I've removed your ban. Please read the URL ubottu's about to send you, and then try /join #ubuntu to make sure I did it right.
[20:11] <rww> !guidelines > Juest
[20:12] <Juest> ikonia has ctcp my version...
[20:12] <ikonia> yes, I just versioned you
[20:12] <ikonia> and I think you've been miss-leading to rww in this channel
[20:13] <rww> ikonia: had I known you were around, I would have deferred to you. Feel free to take over :)
[20:13] <Juest> what's wrong?
[20:13] <Juest> umm
[20:13] <ikonia> rww: not at all - I've only just returned, so rww I appreciate your input
[20:13] <Juest> well
[20:13] <Juest> oh
[20:14] <Juest> ikonia, you can always see the logs
[20:14] <Juest> erm, what's my quit said? ??
[20:15] <IdleOne> Juest: it said Bye but not important to the issue at hand
[20:15] <ikonia> Juest: yes, as I recall you where miss-leading people about what you where doing in the channel to get help, despite being told on several occasions to stop
[20:15] <rww> "Quit: Bye" and "Client Quit", both of which mean that the application was closed, not that your connection dropped.
[20:15] <Juest> ah
[20:15] <ikonia> we then had a conversation in a private message to this, to which you tried to lie more to me to get back into #ubuntu
[20:16] <Juest> really? oh, my normal quit msg?
[20:17] <Juest> ok ikonia, i am very sorry, and my problem in my system is system-wide....
[20:17] <Juest> really
[20:18] <ikonia> you're problem ?
[20:18] <ikonia> you're problem is you are unable to tell the truth to people
[20:18] <Juest> when i was banned i was mad and wanted to cry but i holded
[20:18] <Juest> well
[20:18] <Juest> i am able
[20:18] <Juest> j
[20:18] <ikonia> Juest: you have a history in the #ubuntu channels
[20:18] <Juest> i just do mistakes
[20:18] <Juest> ah
[20:19] <Juest> :(
[20:19] <ikonia> I also believe you tried to get around the ban
[20:19] <Juest> yes, check logs, i shouted in this channel when i got first ban by bazhang
[20:20] <Juest> my disconnect message is "connection lost"
[20:20] <rww> which is why I asked you to review our guidelines, btw
[20:21] <Juest> ah
[20:21] <rww> (the shouting thing, that is)
[20:21] <ikonia> forget your quit message
[20:21] <ikonia> Juest: the bottom line is, I don't believe a thing you say
[20:21]  * Juest goes to read guidelines in browser
[20:21] <Juest> :O
[20:21] <Juest> why not ikonia?
[20:21] <ikonia> Juest: because you have been a proven liar
[20:22] <ikonia> you've also just shown yourself more so, as "you can't remember" why you where banned, yet you clearly rememeber details
[20:23] <Juest> no, i have a hard way to comunicate,i can't express myself well unless i am on the -ar or -es channel
[20:23] <Juest> well
[20:23] <ikonia> no - you are a liar - FACT
[20:23] <Juest> NO!
[20:23] <ikonia> it's not a communication issue
[20:23] <ikonia> Juest: did you lie to me about running applications as root ?
[20:23] <Juest> I JUST HAVE SOCIAL IUSSES
[20:24] <ikonia> Juest: if I ask you a question and you give me the wrong answer to decieve me, that makes you a liar - not a social issue
[20:24] <Juest> AND YES I LIED YOU BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE MY PROBLEM WITH MY SYSTEM IS SYSTEM WIDE
[20:24] <ikonia> your technical problems do not matter
[20:25] <Juest> THAT'S THE TRUTH, REALLY!!!!!
[20:25] <ikonia> people cannot help you why you tell them lies about your statys
[20:25] <ikonia> status
[20:25] <Juest> ugh.
[20:25] <ikonia> Juest: I'm going to step away now and leave rww to deal with you as he had been doing, I just wanted to make the point that you are telling lies to him about a few things
[20:26] <Juest> well, really? i want to know where i lied?
[20:26] <CarlFK> (02:24:49 PM) Juest: AND YES I LIED
[20:26] <ikonia> Juest: you've just said you lied
[20:27] <rww> ikonia: I'm going to go ahead and keep the ban removed for now, since I don't think this conversation has brought much to light other than that you can both use the capslock key.
[20:27] <ikonia> rww: thats your call totally
[20:27] <Juest> i answered ikonia question about if i lied him/her (ikonia) in #ubuntu
[20:28] <ikonia> I just wanted you to have the facts that Juest has a previous record of telling lies, and knows exactly why he was banned
[20:29] <rww> Alrighty. If this carries on being an issue, we'll cross that bridge, but for now I'd like to try the idea I said above, which is 1) following our guidelines, and 2) not asking for support if it's not something Juest can reproduce on a non-root account.
[20:30] <Juest> [16:23] (+ikonia) Juest: did you lie to me about running applications as root ? <- that question
[20:30] <Juest> welll
[20:31] <Juest> i am fine for now, i won't never froget again to do non-root test
[20:31] <ikonia> it's not about non-root
[20:32] <ikonia> it's about you lied to multiple users *myself included* on what you where doing
[20:32] <Juest> and i did, now i got no valid session everywere when i try to use gnome
[20:32] <ikonia> you knew what you where doing was not a good idea so you told people lies to get them to help you
[20:32] <ikonia> that is the issue
[20:32] <Juest> OK, DAMNIT!!!!
[20:32] <Juest> I AM OFF DANG
[20:35]  * Juest stays idle....
[20:36] <ikonia> Juest: the ban in #ubuntu has been removed
[20:36] <ikonia> Juest: you can use #ubuntu again, but please please - be polite to people and if someone asks you a question or tries to help you, listen to them and tell them the truth
[20:36] <Juest> yay, so, any another advice for do not got a ban again?
[20:37] <ikonia> no - just listen to people, don't lie to people and be polite to people (more info in the guideline page that rww gave you)
[20:37] <Juest> i try to listen ppl but there's sone procedures that i don't like and i prefer to do it in my own way
[20:38] <Juest> ok
[20:38] <ikonia> if you do it your own way - don't ask for help
[20:38] <ikonia> Juest: you're welcome to leave this channel now and join #ubuntu
[20:38] <Juest> thanks you guys very much, i just go there to get support + ideas
[20:39] <Juest> and is there a generic linux chatting / support?
[20:39] <Juest> channel..
[20:39] <ikonia> no
[20:39] <ikonia> #ubuntu-offtopic is for generic chatting
[20:40] <ikonia> #ubuntu is for official ubuntu supported systems/software
[20:40] <ikonia> ##linux is for generic linux support
[20:40] <Juest> thanks
[20:42] <ikonia> Juest: I think we are done here unless you need something else, in which case could you please leave this channel ?
[22:28] <ikonia> @comment #ubuntu-offtopic Justfigureitout asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <LjL> try @mark
[22:29] <ikonia> @comment Justfigureitout #ubuntu-offtopic asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <ikonia> my word, what's wrong with me
[22:29] <ikonia> thank you
[22:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Justfigureitout asked him to not post links to "mind fuck/shit brix/etc" was told to "fuck off"
[22:29] <ikonia> total mind failure there, thank you LjL
[22:29] <LjL> you should use @comment only with a ban number, i think
[22:29] <ikonia> correct, I just lost the plot for a moment
[22:31] <PerfM> Sup kids!
[22:31] <ikonia> hello
[22:31] <PerfM> Question numero uno. WHy am I banned?
[22:32] <ikonia> I have no idea, one moment and I'll look
[22:32] <PerfM> It's been like 50 years, c'mon! Can't we all forgive and forget?
[22:32] <ikonia> one moment and I'll look
[22:34] <ikonia> won't keep you
[22:35] <PerfM> ikonia: now say that in a full complete sentence.
[22:35] <ikonia> ok - I'm done with you now. Bye
[22:36] <PerfM> that doesn't make any ... sense!
[22:36] <ikonia> I don't appreciate smart comments while I'm trying to help you, so I'm done.
[22:37]  * PerfM facepalms
[22:37] <PerfM> Alright. Anyone else wanna have a go?
[22:38] <PerfM> ..I promise to share and be a friend. ..
[22:38] <ikonia> PerfM: doesn't look like anyone else is free/willing to deal with you at this time, so you may want to come back at a later date
[22:39] <Flannel> PerfM: Looks like you were banned in #ubuntu because you were complaining in #ubuntu about being banned elsewhere
[22:40] <Flannel> PerfM: I'm willing to remove the ban in #ubuntu only, provided you use it for its intended purpose -- technical support for Ubuntu, and not offtopic things.
[22:40] <PerfM> Flannel: LOL to the first comment. and...does ubuntu have an offtopic channel?
[22:41] <Flannel> PerfM: yes, and you know this.  Because you're banned there.
[22:41] <PerfM> Omg it does.
[22:41] <PerfM> Lol I'm not banned silly
[22:41] <PerfM> But you can keep that ban on #ubuntu
[22:42] <PerfM> Flannel: thanks for being bro-er than ikonia! Have a good day and thanks for your time :D
[22:42] <PerfM> .part
[23:05]  * rww rolls eyes at PerfM