[06:30] hey charlie-tca , in relation to that "bug" with the compose key, just in the future you don't even have to change that file by hand, you can just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, which is really nice as it also lets you set Ctrl+Alt+Bksp as the shortcut to kill X and doesn't require a compose key to change the compose key to AltGr :) [06:30] Lionel Le Fogloc brought it up in the bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/795749 [06:30] Ubuntu bug 795749 in Ubuntu "cannot change compose key" [Undecided,Invalid] [06:31] doesn't require the X server to be restarted to change the compose key**** [09:05] mr_pouit: we should consider switching file-roller with xarchiver since the former is pulling in nautilus now [09:05] unfortunately, squeeze is still using thunar-vfs [09:15] charlie-tca: ^^ [11:16] squeeze isn't really maintained upstream anyway at this time [11:16] and xarchiver, ewwww [11:16] but we don't have much choice [11:17] let's do s/file-roller/xarchiver/ and s/mousepad/leafpad/ [11:19] yay for s/mousepad/leafpad [13:16] will that also drop squeeze? [13:19] squeeze isn't installed by default [13:20] okay. Thanks [13:50] A good review of Xfce, and a lot of mention for Xubuntu - [13:50] http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/456623-weekend-project-find-hidden-treasures-in-xfce-48 [14:31] Apparently Ubuntu is "humanity towards others with perfect vision and sharp, high resolution computer monitors." [14:31] bwahaha, awesome [14:32] I saw that too [14:32] Seems like I been saying that for a long time [15:32] mmh, gnome-sudoku doesn't seem to exist anymore in oneiric, does someone know the new name for it? ;> [15:34] mr_pouit, supposed to be gnome-sudoku according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/games/ [15:34] Bug? [15:34] I thought they pulled it because of issues with getting it work in oneiric [15:34] - Keep separation of games in subpackages (gnome-sudoku disabled for now) [15:34] !info gnome-sudoku [15:34] gnome-sudoku (source: gnome-games): Sudoku number puzzle. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu5 (natty), package size 292 kB, installed size 4356 kB [15:35] it has been disabled for now === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [17:19] Wbsite is down today [17:21] Website is down today? [17:21] what website? [17:21] xubuntu.org [17:21] seems ok to me [17:21] I get an error [17:22] clicked through a few pages, no errors here [17:22] http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://xubuntu.org/ [17:22] * holstein gives it a thumbs up :) [17:23] I don't understand. I can access anything but xubuntu.org [17:23] odd [17:24] Must be qwest! [17:24] Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. [17:25] you're just trying to get out of working on the qa page [17:25] ;D [17:25] Heh, I wish [17:25] I just wanted to see what is there [17:25] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8QRv41hVYUsJ:www.xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing+http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com [17:26] Thanks. I will have to call my isp tomorrow and get them to fix this [17:26] http://imagebin.org/157931 [17:26] ah, .com [17:26] do .org [17:26] .com is definitely broken! [17:27] really? [17:27] yeah, I get the same error [17:27] that's no good [17:27] * charlie-tca slaps head. Of course it is .org [17:27] shall I submit an rt ticket? [17:27] that .org works, too [17:28] I don't know that we own .com. I think we only got .net and .org [17:28] it's on a canonical server [17:28] Generated Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:26:46 GMT by jujube.canonical.com (squid/2.7.STABLE7) [17:28] yes, then. Maybe the redirect is wrong for it [17:29] or missing? [17:29] yeah [17:29] .net is broken too [17:29] Then the redirects are messed up [17:29] I know .net worked, because we redirected about 2 years ago [17:31] k, sent [17:31] but they probably hate me, I've been piling on the tickets for problems with ubuntu-news.org too [17:32] I am sorry [17:33] but, the website team hates me, so it is probably okay [17:34] I'm free to be hated :D [17:34] hrm, no email reply with ticket number [17:34] :-( [17:35] well, I'll follow up in a couple days [17:35] Thanks for doing that [18:47] mr_pouit: do you need me to do anything? [18:48] mr_pouit: leafpad seems just as dead [18:49] micahg: it is quite as dead [18:50] micahg: it is *NOT* quite as dead [18:50] so [18:50] sorry [18:50] no new upstream since lucid seems dead [18:50] um, they just aren't quite as active [18:50] I think [18:51] leafpad updates are farther apart than mousepad updates were [18:53] ah, there are 2 new upstreams not packaged [18:54] micahg: oh, yeah. Mouse pad is really slow to open and close now, leafpad is fast [18:56] micahg: at least it uses gtk+ printing [18:56] because xfprint4 is pretty useless nowadays, but mousepad is the only one still relying on it [18:57] ooh, cool, so another thing we can drop :) [18:57] and a few months ago, when I made some patches for mousepad to fix some issues, I ported them for leafpad as well, and they were included upstream [18:58] that's why I think it is "alive" [18:58] well, they had a release last december, I think that's alive enough [18:59] mr_pouit: what will replace xfprint4 ? [18:59] nothing [18:59] or what has? [18:59] Great! win/win [18:59] gtk+ contains a printing api now [19:00] since gtk+ 2.10 afaik [19:00] * micahg thought cairo was used for printing [19:01] micahg: it's probably what's used behind the api ;> [19:02] micahg: oh, and for your first question, you can take a merge on the wiki page, if you want :p [19:03] mr_pouit: k, will try to get to at least 1 today [19:24] pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JccH3vUCUz--1FofKmqEr3XODlJIsIYDlrUZyLiYWX4/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COna2ucP [19:24] would you prefer plain text? [19:25] charlie-tca: no that's great! [19:25] I'll make it into html and post it this afternoon [19:25] Okay. Thanks [19:35] Page the release notes for Oneiric will be built from: [19:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes [19:36] oh yeah, we missed making an alpha1 post to the site, if we can get someone to write an alpha2 when that comes in a couple weeks I can make sure it gets posted [19:36] That's right, we did [19:36] we need to get us a news writer, soon, huh? [19:49] :) [22:29] charlie-tca: might want to update your template: The main reason for this meeting is to discuss [22:29] progress for Natty Narwhal. [22:32] where? the meeting reminder? [22:32] well... [22:32] You read those? [22:33] I don't think I can make it (I may be ablt to readup and catch the end) [22:33] * micahg thought it was a good idea to read posts on xubuntu-devel [22:33] Okay [22:34] I am glad to know someone reads the posts on The ML [22:34] I seem to write a few, it is really good to know someone reads them [22:35] meeting reminders are good good :) [22:37] I read all the xubuntu-devel mails [22:54] is anyone from canonical working on xubuntu or only community? [22:54] community only [22:55] only community (althought some Canonical employees do community work as well) [22:55] We are all volunteers [22:55] you're doing a great job :) [22:55] Thank you [22:56] how many people ~ are working on xubuntu? [22:56] about 19 [22:57] looks like [22:57] It varies with the day. [22:57] We are all volunteers, so some people come help for a day or two and go away [22:58] I got 8 or 10 that been here for a long time [22:58] :) [22:58] you know how much people are helping for kubuntu, lubuntu? more, less? [22:58] and many in the community that do help with testing the development releases. [22:58] I have no idea on other distros [22:59] Never thought it mattered enough to even find out. [22:59] i was just interested ;) [22:59] Xubuntu will still only have so many, regardless of how many any other distro has. [23:00] i think xubuntu is great but a lot of people see it as a ubuntu version for low-end machines. i use it on my quad and love it :) i think xfce atm is more customizable than unity or gnome3 [23:01] We would like to change that perception, but it is a long way up to convince them. [23:02] i think more people are starting to use xubuntu since 11.04 [23:03] * micahg thinks in time all the Ubuntu flavors will grow their user bases [23:04] 200million users to go :-D [23:04] well, 180 million to go ;) [23:05] Let's aim for the first couple hunderd-thousand for Xubuntu, first :-) [23:06] you know how much people are using xubuntu ? or just how often they downloaded it? [23:06] nope and nope [23:06] neither is actually counted/logged [23:07] We know how many report through popcon [23:10] think you forgot the 11.10 alpha 1 announcment on the xubuntu homepage [23:11] We don t usually announce alpha1 there. [23:12] not much difference in xubuntu in alpha1, just half the GNOME3 stack :-/ [23:12] * micahg will be interested to see the size of the live CD tomorrow [23:13] charlie-tca: https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing has now been updated :) [23:13] Me too [23:13] the alternate CD might even be CD sized again [23:13] w00t! [23:13] for reference, I backed up the old text here for now: http://princessleia.com/temp/qa-old.html [23:13] well there was an alpha1 annoncment for 10.10 and 11.04 [23:13] got it up to date, even! [23:13] So, in 6 years, we got two announcements for alpha1? [23:14] oops, sorry for the admin url for that [23:14] http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing :) [23:14] oops [23:14] no problem [23:15] ;) [23:15] plantoschka: would you like to help ? [23:15] We really someone to do some publicity for Xubuntu [23:16] write a blog, write news releases, check reviews others write and track them for us [23:16] we're down to one xubuntu.org bug \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website [23:16] i wrote some blog posts about the new xubuntu release and how much i liked it (all in german) :-) even did an youtube video. [23:17] So you have experience doing it? [23:17] not much but a lil bit [23:18] Great! alpha2 is July 7, and we need a news release ready on that day [23:18] Can I mark you down to have it for us? [23:20] i could try ;) [23:20] sounds not too hard ;) [23:22] Great! Thanks for helping with Xubuntu. [23:22] pleia2: ^ ^ [23:23] plantoschka: you can email that to me ... [23:23] charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com [23:24] ok will do that a couple days ahead [23:25] Thanks. If you want, remind me and I will get the list of changes together for you. [23:26] ok that would be great. i wrote it in my calendar so i should not forget :-) [23:26] Thanks [23:27] no problem i would love to give something back even if it's just a few words for an upcoming release ;) [23:28] blogs and news releases are a big item, when you have no one doing them! [23:28] Every item helps get word out. [23:30] time for bed ;) [23:31] Good night [23:57] Sorry! Was too focused on packaging, I missed the meeting! :( [23:58] It's tomorrow this week [23:58] Oh, so it is. [23:58] 19:00 UTC Monday [23:58] :) [23:58] I did that just to keep myself confused [23:58] * charlie-tca thinks it is working too. He is really confused now. [23:58] Looked at the email, it said 13th of June, looked at the time/date in panel, it said the same. [23:59] Oh, one of those time zones ;-) [23:59] Yeah. :D