[06:30] <xrdodrx> hey charlie-tca , in relation to that "bug" with the compose key, just in the future you don't even have to change that file by hand, you can just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, which is really nice as it also lets you set Ctrl+Alt+Bksp as the shortcut to kill X and doesn't require a compose key to change the compose key to AltGr :)
[06:30] <xrdodrx> Lionel Le Fogloc brought it up in  the bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/795749
[06:31] <xrdodrx> doesn't require the X server to be restarted to change the compose key****
[09:05] <micahg> mr_pouit: we should consider switching file-roller with xarchiver since the former is pulling in nautilus now
[09:05] <micahg> unfortunately, squeeze is still using thunar-vfs
[09:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: ^^
[11:16] <mr_pouit> squeeze isn't really maintained upstream anyway at this time
[11:16] <mr_pouit> and xarchiver, ewwww
[11:16] <mr_pouit> but we don't have much choice
[11:17] <mr_pouit> let's do s/file-roller/xarchiver/ and s/mousepad/leafpad/
[11:19] <ochosi> yay for s/mousepad/leafpad
[13:16] <charlie-tca> will that also drop squeeze?
[13:19] <mr_pouit> squeeze isn't installed by default
[13:20] <charlie-tca> okay. Thanks
[13:50] <charlie-tca> A good review of Xfce, and a lot of mention for Xubuntu -
[13:50] <charlie-tca> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/456623-weekend-project-find-hidden-treasures-in-xfce-48
[14:31] <mr_pouit> Apparently Ubuntu is "humanity towards others with perfect vision and sharp, high resolution computer monitors."
[14:31] <mr_pouit> bwahaha, awesome
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I saw that too
[14:32] <charlie-tca> Seems like I been saying that for a long time
[15:32] <mr_pouit> mmh, gnome-sudoku doesn't seem to exist anymore in oneiric, does someone know the new name for it? ;>
[15:34] <xrdodrx> mr_pouit, supposed to be gnome-sudoku according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/games/
[15:34] <xrdodrx> Bug?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> I thought they pulled it because of issues with getting it work in oneiric
[15:34] <mr_pouit> - Keep separation of games in subpackages (gnome-sudoku disabled for now)
[15:34] <charlie-tca> !info gnome-sudoku
[15:35] <mr_pouit> it has been disabled for now
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Wbsite is down today 
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Website is down today?
[17:21] <pleia2> what website?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> xubuntu.org
[17:21] <pleia2> seems ok to me
[17:21] <charlie-tca> I get an error
[17:22] <pleia2> clicked through a few pages, no errors here
[17:22] <holstein> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://xubuntu.org/
[17:22]  * holstein gives it a thumbs up :)
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I don't understand. I can access anything but xubuntu.org
[17:23] <holstein> odd
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Must be qwest!
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.
[17:25] <pleia2> you're just trying to get out of working on the qa page
[17:25] <pleia2> ;D
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Heh, I wish
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I just wanted to see what is there
[17:25] <pleia2> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8QRv41hVYUsJ:www.xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing+http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will have to call my isp tomorrow and get them to fix this
[17:26] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/157931
[17:26] <pleia2> ah, .com
[17:26] <pleia2> do .org
[17:26] <pleia2> .com is definitely broken!
[17:27] <charlie-tca> really?
[17:27] <pleia2> yeah, I get the same error
[17:27] <pleia2> that's no good
[17:27]  * charlie-tca slaps head. Of course it is .org
[17:27] <pleia2> shall I submit an rt ticket?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> that .org works, too
[17:28] <charlie-tca> I don't know that we own .com. I think we only got .net and .org
[17:28] <pleia2> it's on a canonical server
[17:28] <pleia2> Generated Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:26:46 GMT by jujube.canonical.com (squid/2.7.STABLE7)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> yes, then. Maybe the redirect is wrong for it
[17:29] <charlie-tca> or missing?
[17:29] <pleia2> yeah
[17:29] <pleia2> .net is broken too
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Then the redirects are messed up
[17:29] <charlie-tca> I know .net worked, because we redirected about 2 years ago
[17:31] <pleia2> k, sent
[17:31] <pleia2> but they probably hate me, I've been piling on the tickets for problems with ubuntu-news.org too
[17:32] <charlie-tca> I am sorry
[17:33] <charlie-tca> but, the website team hates me, so it is probably okay
[17:34] <Unit193> I'm free to be hated :D
[17:34] <pleia2> hrm, no email reply with ticket number
[17:34] <charlie-tca> :-(
[17:35] <pleia2> well, I'll follow up in a couple days
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that
[18:47] <micahg> mr_pouit: do you need me to do anything?
[18:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: leafpad seems just as dead
[18:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: it is quite as dead
[18:50] <charlie-tca> micahg: it is *NOT* quite as dead
[18:50] <charlie-tca> so
[18:50] <charlie-tca> sorry
[18:50] <micahg> no new upstream since lucid seems dead
[18:50] <charlie-tca> um, they just aren't quite as active
[18:50] <charlie-tca> I think
[18:51] <charlie-tca> leafpad updates are farther apart than mousepad updates were
[18:53] <micahg> ah, there are 2 new upstreams not packaged
[18:54] <charlie-tca> micahg: oh, yeah. Mouse pad is really slow to open and close now, leafpad is fast
[18:56] <mr_pouit> micahg: at least it uses gtk+ printing
[18:56] <mr_pouit> because xfprint4 is pretty useless nowadays, but mousepad is the only one still relying on it
[18:57] <micahg> ooh, cool, so another thing we can drop :)
[18:57] <mr_pouit> and a few months ago, when I made some patches for mousepad to fix some issues, I ported them for leafpad as well, and they were included upstream
[18:58] <mr_pouit> that's why I think it is "alive"
[18:58] <micahg> well, they had a release last december, I think that's alive enough
[18:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what will replace xfprint4 ?
[18:59] <mr_pouit> nothing
[18:59] <charlie-tca> or what has?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Great! win/win
[18:59] <mr_pouit> gtk+ contains a printing api now
[19:00] <mr_pouit> since gtk+ 2.10 afaik
[19:00]  * micahg thought cairo was used for printing
[19:01] <mr_pouit> micahg: it's probably what's used behind the api ;>
[19:02] <mr_pouit> micahg: oh, and for your first question, you can take a merge on the wiki page, if you want :p
[19:03] <micahg> mr_pouit: k, will try to get to at least 1 today
[19:24] <charlie-tca> pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JccH3vUCUz--1FofKmqEr3XODlJIsIYDlrUZyLiYWX4/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COna2ucP
[19:24] <charlie-tca> would you prefer plain text?
[19:25] <pleia2> charlie-tca: no that's great!
[19:25] <pleia2> I'll make it into html and post it this afternoon
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Page the release notes for Oneiric will be built from:
[19:35] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes
[19:36] <pleia2> oh yeah, we missed making an alpha1 post to the site, if we can get someone to write an alpha2 when that comes in a couple weeks I can make sure it gets posted
[19:36] <charlie-tca> That's right, we did
[19:36] <charlie-tca> we need to get us a news writer, soon, huh?
[19:49] <pleia2> :)
[22:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: might want to update your template: The main reason for this meeting is to discuss
[22:29] <micahg> progress for Natty Narwhal.
[22:32] <charlie-tca> where? the meeting reminder?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> well...
[22:32] <charlie-tca> You read those?
[22:33] <Unit193> I don't think I can make it (I may be ablt to readup and catch the end)
[22:33]  * micahg thought it was a good idea to read posts on xubuntu-devel
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Okay
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I am glad to know someone reads the posts on The ML
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I seem to write a few, it is really good to know someone reads them
[22:35] <pleia2> meeting reminders are good good :)
[22:37] <Unit193> I read all the xubuntu-devel mails
[22:54] <plantoschka> is anyone from canonical working on xubuntu or only community?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> community only
[22:55] <micahg> only community (althought some Canonical employees do community work as well)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> We are all volunteers
[22:55] <plantoschka> you're doing a great job :)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:56] <plantoschka> how many people ~ are working on xubuntu?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> about 19
[22:57] <charlie-tca> looks like
[22:57] <charlie-tca> It varies with the day. 
[22:57] <charlie-tca> We are all volunteers, so some people come help for a day or two and go away
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I got 8 or 10 that been here for a long time
[22:58] <plantoschka> :)
[22:58] <plantoschka> you know how much people are helping for kubuntu, lubuntu? more, less?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> and many in the community that do help with testing the development releases.
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I have no idea on other distros
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Never thought it mattered enough to even find out. 
[22:59] <plantoschka> i was just interested ;)
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will still only have so many, regardless of how many any other distro has.
[23:00] <plantoschka> i think xubuntu is great but a lot of people see it as a ubuntu version for low-end machines. i use it on my quad and love it :) i think xfce atm is more customizable than unity or gnome3
[23:01] <charlie-tca> We would like to change that perception, but it is a long way up to convince them.
[23:02] <plantoschka> i think more people are starting to use xubuntu since 11.04
[23:03]  * micahg thinks in time all the Ubuntu flavors will grow their user bases
[23:04] <plantoschka> 200million users to go :-D
[23:04] <micahg> well, 180 million to go ;)
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Let's aim for the first couple hunderd-thousand for Xubuntu, first :-)
[23:06] <plantoschka> you know how much people are using xubuntu ? or just how often they downloaded it?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> nope and nope
[23:06] <charlie-tca> neither is actually counted/logged
[23:07] <charlie-tca> We know how many report through popcon
[23:10] <plantoschka> think you forgot the 11.10 alpha 1 announcment on the xubuntu homepage
[23:11] <charlie-tca> We don t usually announce alpha1 there.
[23:12] <micahg> not much difference in xubuntu in alpha1, just half the GNOME3 stack :-/
[23:12]  * micahg will be interested to see the size of the live CD tomorrow
[23:13] <pleia2> charlie-tca: https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing has now been updated :)
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Me too
[23:13] <micahg> the alternate CD might even be CD sized again
[23:13] <charlie-tca> w00t!
[23:13] <pleia2> for reference, I backed up the old text here for now: http://princessleia.com/temp/qa-old.html
[23:13] <plantoschka> well there was an alpha1 annoncment for 10.10 and 11.04
[23:13] <charlie-tca> got it up to date, even!
[23:13] <charlie-tca> So, in 6 years, we got two announcements for alpha1?
[23:14] <pleia2> oops, sorry for the admin url for that
[23:14] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing :)
[23:14] <charlie-tca> oops
[23:14] <charlie-tca> no problem
[23:15] <plantoschka> ;)
[23:15] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: would you like to help ?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> We really someone to do some publicity for Xubuntu
[23:16] <charlie-tca> write a blog, write news releases, check reviews others write and track them for us
[23:16] <pleia2> we're down to one xubuntu.org bug \o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[23:16] <plantoschka> i wrote some blog posts about the new xubuntu release and how much i liked it (all in german) :-) even did an youtube video.
[23:17] <charlie-tca> So you have experience doing it?
[23:17] <plantoschka> not much but a lil bit
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Great! alpha2 is July 7, and we need a news release ready on that day
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Can I mark you down to have it for us?
[23:20] <plantoschka> i could try ;)
[23:20] <plantoschka> sounds not too hard ;)
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks for helping with Xubuntu. 
[23:22] <charlie-tca> pleia2: ^ ^ 
[23:23] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: you can email that to me ...
[23:23] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com
[23:24] <plantoschka> ok will do that a couple days ahead
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Thanks. If you want, remind me and I will get the list of changes together for you.
[23:26] <plantoschka> ok that would be great. i wrote it in my calendar so i should not forget :-)
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[23:27] <plantoschka> no problem i would love to give something back even if it's just a few words for an upcoming release ;)
[23:28] <charlie-tca> blogs and news releases are a big item, when you have no one doing them!
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Every item helps get word out.
[23:30] <plantoschka> time for bed ;) 
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Good night
[23:57] <astraljava> Sorry! Was too focused on packaging, I missed the meeting! :(
[23:58] <charlie-tca> It's tomorrow this week
[23:58] <astraljava> Oh, so it is.
[23:58] <charlie-tca> 19:00 UTC Monday
[23:58] <astraljava> :)
[23:58] <charlie-tca> I did that just to keep myself confused
[23:58]  * charlie-tca thinks it is working too. He is really confused now.
[23:58] <astraljava> Looked at the email, it said 13th of June, looked at the time/date in panel, it said the same.
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Oh, one of those time zones ;-)
[23:59] <astraljava> Yeah. :D