[00:02] <yofel> hm, kdepimlibs was somewhat easy compared to kdelibs
[00:02] <yofel> what did I forget to do...
[00:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: for the new packages, did you start from scratch?
[00:02] <shadeslayer> i mean completely new packaging?
[00:03] <shadeslayer> ( like i'm thinking of doing for kate )
[00:03] <yofel> more or less yes, I only copied the existing stuff that could be reused
[00:03] <yofel> like install files and descriptions
[00:03] <yofel> and binary names
[00:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:03] <yofel> still not sure if I should keep the old changelog
[00:03] <claydoh> will there be kdepim 4.6 on natty, or is it better to wait
[00:03] <yofel> currently I don't
[00:03] <shadeslayer> claydoh: ask bulldog98
[00:04] <yofel> there will be, in backports probably
[00:04] <yofel> we should make that available for natty
[00:04] <yofel> since it's technically part of 4.6.4
[00:04] <claydoh> it is quite good from using it in neon
[00:04] <shadeslayer> oh look another user of neon
[00:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[00:04] <bulldog98> claydoh: it will it only needs small modification in control
[00:04] <yofel> didn't we already know claydoh? ^^
[00:05] <shadeslayer> i didn't
[00:05] <yofel> ah, I forgot to take out the kdebase references
[00:05] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I use neon sometimes too
[00:05] <bulldog98> :)
[00:05] <bulldog98> but mainly from within my normal desktop setup
[00:06] <yofel> it is good to know that people use it :P
[00:06] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: you know what
[00:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: theres a libplasma2 branch
[00:06] <shadeslayer> :>
[00:06] <bulldog98> yofel: I even demod it on Linuxtag (marble)
[00:06] <claydoh> so, what, I make it user # 3, or 4 ??
[00:06] <yofel> :D
[00:06] <bulldog98> claydoh: more much more :)
[00:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: that thing that aseigo started? Didn't read his blog post TBH
[00:07]  * shadeslayer suddenly has a very sinister plan
[00:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: well i'm going to checkout the branch
[00:07] <shadeslayer> my kdelibs clone is probably ancient
[00:07] <claydoh> bulldog98: good
[00:07] <yofel> claydoh: on the know user count something like 4 ^^
[00:07] <yofel> though the krita blog post should've gotten us some users
[00:08] <bulldog98> yofel: don’t you count yourself as user to?
[00:09] <bulldog98> yofel: I even know a debian User using it
[00:09] <yofel> erm, if you count us co-maintainers as users then we already have 4 by default ^^
[00:09] <bulldog98> where will we put KDE PIM 4.6? (PPA)
[00:10] <yofel> backports I would say
[00:10] <yofel> it's nothing SRU-able, so not for updates
[00:10] <yofel> rather handle it as a backport from oneiric (it technically is one)
[00:10] <bulldog98> yofel: we have the others in experimental, but backports sounds good
[00:11] <yofel> experimental was for beta and RC, now that it's out backports is reasonable
[00:12] <bulldog98> yofel: was my thought, too
[00:13]  * yofel uploads kdepimlibs
[00:13] <bulldog98> yofel: btw, should we get kdepim 4.6 into archive before 4.7 beta is uploaded?
[00:14] <yofel> probably, 4.7 has kdepim 4.7 tars (no idea what's the difference, probably they want to keep it in sync again)
[00:14] <yofel> debfx: ^
[00:14] <bulldog98> yofel: yes they want that
[00:15]  * bulldog98 now has backported the kdepim-runtime stuff (see if it works)
[00:17] <yofel> o.O
[00:17] <yofel> Unable to obtain lock  held by debfx@bazaar.launchpad.net
[00:17] <yofel> sounds like something went wrong... "at crowberry [process #15939], acquired 291 hours, 21 minutes ago."
[00:18]  * yofel broke the lock
[00:18] <bulldog98> this will be the next build process: https://launchpad.net/~bulldog98/+archive/staging/+build/2564878
[00:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: do we still have kde-sc-dev-latest?
[00:22] <yofel> we do
[00:22] <shadeslayer> ok
[00:33]  * bulldog98 still needs to update the pbuilder
[00:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: what did you put in : "This package is a part of ... "
[00:38] <shadeslayer> KDE ? KDE SC? KDE Frameworks
[00:38] <yofel> er, the Kdebindings project I think. Not sure what to put there...
[00:39] <shadeslayer> hmm ... what do i put kate under
[00:39] <yofel> maybe check what it's under at projects.kde.org
[00:40] <bulldog98> yofel: Frameworks
[00:40] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ask in #kde-promo
[00:40] <yofel> bulldog98: what would smoke belong to?
[00:40] <bulldog98> would be my thought
[00:40] <yofel> frameworks too?
[00:40] <bulldog98> I would say so
[00:40] <shadeslayer> well its under kdebase 
[00:40] <shadeslayer> so i'll put it as kdebase
[00:41] <bulldog98> but I’s used to build up libarys -> Framework
[00:41] <yofel> sounds reasonable
[00:42] <yofel> great copyright entry in kdebindngs...
[00:42] <yofel> smoke/
[00:42] <yofel>         smoke.h is BSD licensed.
[00:42] <yofel>         The rest of smoke is quite trivial and autogenerates code with kalyptus
[00:42] <yofel> what kind of license description is "quite trivial" o.O
[00:43] <bulldog98> yofel: That means that it’s autogenerated stuff and there by Public Domain (that’s how I would interpret that)
[00:44] <bulldog98> yofel: maybe you should ask the maintainer to clearify that
[00:44] <yofel> well, dunno, licensecheck showed a mix of LGPL, GPL and self written stuff
[00:45] <yofel> I think I'll first look for docs what a copyright file should contain...
[00:45]  * yofel looks through the policy
[00:45] <bulldog98> for me that sounds like copyright wait
[00:48] <bulldog98> !search pkg-kde-tools
[00:49] <yofel> !info pkg-kde-tools
[00:50] <bulldog98> yofel: I need to backport them to natty to get it to build
[00:50] <bulldog98> would that be ok?
[00:51] <yofel> the new one is in natty-backports
[00:51] <bulldog98> yofel: so I have to enable it
[00:51] <yofel>      0.14.0ubuntu1~natty1 0
[00:51] <yofel>         100 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-backports/main amd64 Packages
[00:53] <bulldog98> yofel: is that enabled in the backports ppa?
[00:53] <yofel> let me check
[00:54] <yofel> hm, nope
[00:55] <yofel> rather upload it there, not sure if we want all of the backports enabled there
[00:55] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ping
[00:57] <bulldog98> yofel: I’ll upload to staging and we’ll decide about that later
[01:09] <bulldog98> !info: dblatex
[01:10] <bulldog98> !info dblatex
[01:11] <bulldog98> !info libgrantlee-dev
[01:18] <shadeslayer> hmm
[01:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: you forgot to remove libkatepartinterfaces4.install from kdelibs
[01:18] <yofel> I did?
[01:19] <shadeslayer> yes, you removed the package from the control file but not the install file
[01:19] <shadeslayer> funnily the symbols file is also gone
[01:19] <yofel> drat
[01:20] <yofel> meh, removed in the package but I forgot to bzr rm -.-
[01:22] <yofel> removed
[01:22] <shadeslayer> indeed :)
[01:33]  * bulldog98 nearly got his pbuilder from natty to oneiric
[01:34] <bulldog98> btw what about: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development#Kubuntu%20Ninja%20Dojo
[01:35] <yofel> sounds about accurate considering what we're doing
[01:36] <bulldog98> yofel: what to do to start to get https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development#Packaging Career up
[01:43] <yofel> bulldog98: poke apachelogger, do start by becoming member though
[01:46] <bulldog98> yofel: he seems to be asleep :)
[01:47] <yofel> well, if you believe you've contributed enough put yourself up for the next meeting
[01:47] <yofel> not sure when it'll be, someone has to organise it
[01:48] <shadeslayer> wth
[01:49] <shadeslayer> why is this running tests when i told it not to @_@
[01:49] <yofel> hm, did you override dh_auto_test?
[01:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[01:49] <shadeslayer> wait
[01:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: i overrode dh_configure
[01:50] <shadeslayer> and added a cmake flag
[01:50] <yofel> hm... not sure
[01:50] <yofel> I don't touch tests often enough
[01:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: whats the binding to read the backlog in screen?
[01:53] <shadeslayer> i can't quite find it
[01:54] <yofel> hm, I usually use F7 in byobu (copy mode), let me look
[01:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: manpage says C-a esc
[01:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[02:26] <tonio> hey there
[02:29] <wgrant> shadeslayer: It's upgraded on most of LP, but not the buildds yet.
[03:14] <shadeslayer> wgrant: any ETA on that?
[07:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke
[07:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i understand this correctly, after creating the adaptor class is simply instantiate a object of the adaptor class and pass the dbus interface as the parent?
[07:34] <shadeslayer> +to the object
[09:10] <jussi> shadeslayer: thats an interesting mail. Good reasons for postponement.
[10:42] <Mamarok> is packaging KDEPIM 4.6 in the pipeline already?
[10:45] <Mamarok> it should have been released with KDE 4.6.4 normally, so I wonder why it is not there yet
[10:45] <jussi> Mamarok: I think shadeslayer finished/is working on it.
[10:45] <Mamarok> OK, thanks
[10:46] <yofel> bulldog98 was working on it, he should be done today
[11:09] <debfx> yofel: which branch had a lock?
[11:12] <yofel> kdepimlibs
[11:13] <yofel> happened to me too once when I had connection issues, so I assumed the same considering how old the lock was
[11:15] <debfx> yeah, I still have unpushed changes locally :(
[11:43] <apachelogger> do we have kdepim 4.6.0 yet?
[11:44] <yofel> poke bulldog98, he said he was almost finished IIRC
[11:45] <apachelogger> ah, there is something about personal staging ppa in the backlog
[11:45] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also, before applying for membership you should collect endorsments on your wiki page
[11:45] <apachelogger> we should do this a lot more
[11:45] <apachelogger> makes so much sense
[11:47] <yofel> what does one need to do to become a kubuntu-dev anyway? Not that I consider myself ready yet.
[11:48] <jussi> can has this in kubuntu? http://is.gd/2BPjoi
[12:11] <ulysses> jussi: I hust tried it
[12:12] <ulysses> just*
[12:17] <jussi> ulysses: and how did it go? 
[12:19] <ulysses> jussi: fine, I had to install python-kde4-dev, python-kde4-dev and python-kde4-dev to install, and python-parted to run Quickformat
[12:19] <ulysses> bah
[12:19] <ulysses> pyqt4-dev-tools, python-kde4-dev and intltool
[12:20] <jussi> why the -dev stuff? 
[12:20] <ulysses> probably python-kde4 is good instead of python-kde4-dev
[12:21] <ulysses> jussi: it's Python, it missed some stuff, and apt-file find those in the packages above
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ping
[13:32] <ScottK> yofel: kdepim 4.6 is NOT part of 4.6.4.  It's a feature release that happened to occur at the same time.
[13:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer and yofel: I'd just say it's all part of KDE.  The rest is nonsense, IMO.
[13:34] <ScottK> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers
[13:35] <yofel> well, they sure made it sound like that though since it's only the 4.6.4 announcement page. Even if it's not part of it
[13:35] <apachelogger> who is part of KDE?
[13:36] <yofel> and users don't make much of a difference there
[13:36]  * apachelogger points out the page titles in favor of kdepim
[13:36] <apachelogger> it was nothing more than the june *release day*
[13:37] <jussi> apachelogger: how is the board going? 
[13:41] <ScottK> yofel: Then we should make the difference clear.  Particularly since you can't downgrade from kdepim 4.6 back to 4.4.
[13:41] <apachelogger> jussi: sleeping
[13:42] <jussi> heh
[13:42] <apachelogger> like me
[13:42]  * apachelogger should be working on assignments but cannot find the motivation
[13:44] <yofel> ScottK: I'll write a post for the website later, that should belong there, right
[13:44] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[13:44] <ScottK> Please make it two different news items so it's clear to people.
[13:45] <yofel> I'll make a new one for kdepim, yes
[13:45] <ScottK> Riddell: How does one arrange to get added to planet.kde.org?
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: one can ask me or anyone else with an svn account to add the blog
[13:46] <Riddell> needs feed URL, IRC nick, hackergotchi
[13:46] <ScottK> OK.  Let me gather that up.
[13:46] <ScottK> Is the hackergotchi required?
[13:47] <ScottK> I don't have one of those.
[13:47] <Riddell> nope
[13:47] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:47] <Riddell> but then we could not gase upon your lovely face :(
[13:47] <yofel> most don't have one, I didn't add one either
[13:50] <Riddell> I think it's important on a site intended to build community that you get to see who the other community members are
[13:51] <yofel> need to figure out how to make the background transparent then, been a while since I used gimp
[14:01] <Daviey> ScottK / Riddell: Fear not! http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/scottk.png
[14:02] <Riddell> Daviey: genius!
[14:04] <ScottK> Oh dear.  Let's not.
[14:05] <Daviey> ScottK: I think i have one taken from one of the bars in Budapest... maybe that would be better :)
[14:06] <ScottK> There all painfully bad.
[14:06] <ScottK> There/They're
[14:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: go make a better one then :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> either way you'll end up with some pic
[14:50] <apachelogger> and I for one think the more ludicrous a hackergotchi is the better :P
[14:51] <yofel> you don't have one either :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> because the planets always loose it
[14:51] <apachelogger> what planet are we talking about anyway
[14:51] <yofel> KDE
[14:51] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: also, can I get on the fedora planet?
[14:52] <apachelogger> yofel: oh yeah, that definitely got lost by Riddell in one of his reinvention of the planet changes
[14:52] <yofel> heh
[14:52] <apachelogger> ever since I was too lazy to push up a nu one, so if anyone feels motivated...
[14:52] <apachelogger> https://picasaweb.google.com/valorie.zimmerman/RandaSwitzerlandKDESprint#5615188975802310450
[14:52] <apachelogger> here, that you can use
[14:52] <apachelogger> then I can also get on planet fedora
[14:52] <apachelogger> muahhahaaha
[14:53] <shadeslayer> hey there
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you look like Darth Vader
[14:54] <shadeslayer> only without the mask and everything
[14:54] <apachelogger> it is a good thing
[14:54] <apachelogger> kent beck said
[14:54] <shadeslayer> the red eye is *just* right
[14:54] <yofel> hahaha
[14:54] <apachelogger> and the fellowship of the java sighed
[14:55] <apachelogger> one may note that the green shirt I was waering was of the graet empire of opensuseeee
[14:56] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you tried to takeover suse?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you see the message i left you?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> about the adaptor class
[15:01] <shadeslayer> jussi: i have a even better one which explains why they are not putting it in debian yet
[15:01] <apachelogger> my gimp is kaput
[15:02] <apachelogger> how unfortunately
[15:02] <apachelogger> -ly
[15:02] <apachelogger> meh.
[15:02] <rdieter_work> apachelogger: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet_HowTo , hrm, though that requires one to be a fedora contributor (have an account, yada yada, I'll ask around if we can get around that)
[15:05] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: great, thanks :)
[15:09] <rdieter_work> apachelogger: ok, I'll take care of it, what's the feed you want to add?
[15:14] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/category/kde/feed/?mrss=off&category_name=kde
[15:15] <apachelogger> rbelem: I have a blank cursor theme :P
[15:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you dont have a hackergotchi on planetkde plz fix
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i don't have a hackergotchi ...
[15:17] <apachelogger> make one then
[15:17] <rdieter_work> speaking of that, apachelogger do you have a hackergotchi I could use for your feed?
[15:17] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: working on that right now
[15:17] <shadeslayer> will find one later
[15:17] <rdieter_work> ok
[15:17] <apachelogger> not terribly easy without the gimpster :D
[15:18] <shadeslayer> lol someone searched kdroidslayer xD
[15:19] <yofel> yeah, because you have too many power outages :P
[15:20] <yofel> can't you connect you notebook over your android?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> yes i can, but i don't have a data plan on the phone right now
[15:20] <shadeslayer> i used to do that when i had free 3G
[15:20] <yofel> ah
[15:21] <shadeslayer> the phone gets really really hot
[15:21] <apachelogger> add a fan
[15:21] <yofel> yeah, I can't  get more than 4h or so out of my n900 either when using bluetooth :/
[15:21] <yofel> lol
[15:21] <apachelogger> that would make for a good quote
[15:21] <apachelogger> like "good thing I got me usb phone in the pocket"
[15:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer could go for something like "good that my phone has a fan, I can even use it on mars"
[15:22] <shadeslayer> sure as long as my provider covers Mars
[15:24]  * apachelogger is listening to mgmt
[15:24] <apachelogger> really loud
[15:25]  * yofel listens to the rain falling outside
[15:25] <apachelogger> do we haz good picture of me?
[15:25] <apachelogger> good = supreme ludicrous
[15:25] <yofel> the one with the rabbit outfit?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> fooey
[15:26] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/wLigMF7L
[15:26] <yofel> or what was that again...
[15:26] <apachelogger> how do you know about the rabbit outfit? :O
[15:27] <yofel> dunno, didn't we show a pic with you and martin around all the time?
[15:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: I recognise a lot on that list :P
[15:27] <apachelogger> ah
[15:27] <apachelogger> right
[15:27] <apachelogger> that could work
[15:27] <apachelogger> yofel: that was a disney princess unicorn though
[15:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: well alot of them are dupes, but the main isssue is why is everything going into /usr/local
[15:28] <yofel> ah ^^
[15:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: uh yeah... you are using debian-qt-kde.mk?
[15:28]  * shadeslayer looks for appropriate CMakeFlags
[15:28] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk yes
[15:28] <yofel> ...
[15:29] <yofel> then I'm clueless
[15:29] <shadeslayer> oh i thought i made a mistake or sth :P
[15:31] <yofel> well, *something*'s obviously wrong...
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:33] <shadeslayer> well : kate-4.6.80/kate/plugins/katebuild-plugin/plugin_katebuild.cpp has : 68:static const QString DefConfigCmd = "cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local ../";
[15:33]  * apachelogger reinstalls the gimpster in hopes of getting it to work
[15:35] <apachelogger> :O
[15:35] <apachelogger> our gtk theme breaks gimp!!!
[15:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: halp!
[15:35] <apachelogger> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1746905.html
[15:35] <shadeslayer> works for me on neon
[15:36] <yofel> oddly enough I can't reproduce that... gimp works fine here
[15:36] <yofel> with oxygen-gtk and raster
[15:36] <shadeslayer> albeit it looks horrible
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you tried out libplasma2 yet?
[15:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: what does libplasma2 break?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: i can't get it to compile yet
[15:37] <yofel> heh
[15:37] <shadeslayer> it fails at 97 % :>
[15:41] <apachelogger> perhaps I did
[15:41] <apachelogger> perhaps I did not
[15:44] <CIA-31> sitter * 1236532 * trunk/www/sites/planet/ (planetkde/config website/images/apachelogger.jpg) add hackergotchi
[15:44] <apachelogger> who the hell made nano my svn ci editor
[15:44] <apachelogger> ewwww
[15:44]  * apachelogger almost did not get out of it again
[15:46] <CIA-31> sitter * 1236533 * trunk/www/sites/planet/website/ (hackergotchi/apachelogger.jpg images/apachelogger.jpg) move to right dir actually
[15:46] <yofel> fooey, oneiric doesn't like nfs...
[15:46] <yofel> [19526.732865] mount.nfs4[24338]: segfault at 0 ip 00140f8f sp bfa5e150 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[110000+15b000]
[15:48] <apachelogger> use a proper fs
[15:48] <yofel> well, installing sshfs now
[15:48] <apachelogger> I said a proper fs :P
[15:48] <rdieter_work> apachelogger: feed added, welcome aboard
[15:48] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm open for suggestions :P
[15:49] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: yay, thanks, hackergotchi for now: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelogger.jpg
[15:50] <rdieter_work> apachelogger: nice!
[15:50] <apachelogger> :D
[15:50] <apachelogger> yofel: cifs
[15:51] <rdieter_work> apachelogger: should I use that url, or copy that somewhere?
[15:51] <yofel> hm, I do have samba running on my server actually...
[15:51]  * rdieter_work made a copy, holler if I should do otherwise.
[15:53] <apachelogger> rdieter_work: copy is the way to go i believe
[16:17] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:17] <shadeslayer> "zsh: correct 'kubuntu' to 'ubuntu' [nyae]? "
[16:18] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: what?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: was pulling a branch with kubuntu in the branch name
[16:18] <shadeslayer> zsh suggested i change it to ubuntu :P
[16:18] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: we have to fix that
[16:19] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[16:23] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[16:29] <yofel> cifs setup done, works nice :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: file a bug "zsh discriminating against kubuntu"
[16:38] <apachelogger> critical
[16:41] <apachelogger> so
[16:41] <apachelogger> where is me KDEPIM 4.6.0 :P
[16:41]  * apachelogger is dying with geeemail
[16:42] <yofel> bulldog98: ^
[16:42] <shadeslayer> interestingly only reproducible on yofel's thinkpad
[16:43] <apachelogger> supposedly you need to have some sort of dict installed
[16:43] <bulldog98> yofel: nearly finished
[16:43] <apachelogger> some dicts actually do that kubuntu->ubuntu thing because someone did not bother to add kubuntu
[16:43] <shadeslayer> The replies in this thread keep getting smaller : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2011-June/010565.html
[16:43] <shadeslayer> i wonder whats next
[16:44] <bulldog98> apachelogger: use kdepim 4.5.96 in the meanwhile
[16:44] <apachelogger> well it is about busybox, only suitable to have small replies too :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:44] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I do not like broken software :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 4.5.96 isn't broken
[16:44] <bulldog98> apachelogger: Imo it’s not broken
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: use Neon + KDE PIM
[16:44] <shadeslayer> not broken as well
[16:44] <apachelogger> broken enough to not cope with the 3000000000 billion mails I have
[16:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where your current neon fails: I do not want all of kde from trunk
[16:45] <shadeslayer> current KDE Trunk = KDE 4.6.8x which is what our PPA's will have soonish
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and for some reason i have DCMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr while building
[16:46] <shadeslayer> no idea where that comes form
[16:46] <shadeslayer> *from
[16:46] <apachelogger> wha?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: packaging kate, for some reason we have DCMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr while building
[16:47] <apachelogger> why yes
[16:47] <apachelogger> that is supposed to be?!?!?!
[16:47] <apachelogger> what else would it be?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> but then it installs files to /usr/local/bin
[16:48] <shadeslayer> and such
[16:48] <apachelogger> what?!?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/wLigMF7L
[16:49] <apachelogger> then it is not building with CMAKE_INSTALL_PATH=/usr
[16:50] <shadeslayer> cd obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:50] <shadeslayer>         cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debian -DCMAKE_USE_RELATIVE_PATHS=ON -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=false "-DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEX
[16:50] <shadeslayer> T=Kubuntu packages"
[16:50] <shadeslayer> erm prefix i mean
[16:50] <shadeslayer> not install path 
[16:50] <apachelogger> please get a complete build log
[16:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd need better raw material to work with.
[16:52] <apachelogger> http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/images/2008/04/26/entourage_day_fkers_2.jpg
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: le build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/625960/
[16:53] <shadeslayer> btw : http://cgit.collabora.com/git/user/gkiagia
[16:55] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:55] <apachelogger> wah?
[16:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do not make sense
[16:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that buildlog does not match what your earlier list-missing had
[16:56] <shadeslayer> oh yes indeed ... nvm me
[16:56] <shadeslayer> looks like everything fixed itself
[16:57]  * apachelogger shakes head
[16:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where is that file? /opt/project-neon/share/project-neon/environment.rc
[16:59] <shadeslayer> what file?
[16:59] <apachelogger>  /opt/project-neon/share/project-neon/environment.rc
[16:59] <shadeslayer> i don't understand the questiom
[16:59] <shadeslayer> s/m/n
[17:00] <apachelogger> in what package is that file
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:00] <shadeslayer> project-neon-session i'd guess
[17:01] <shadeslayer> no it's in -common
[17:03]  * apachelogger is lead to believe that one should not run neon's kmail against the regular akonadi server
[17:04] <apachelogger> completely broke
[17:04] <apachelogger> n
[17:04] <shadeslayer> well obviously
[17:05] <shadeslayer> thats why we use our own SQL Server in /opt/project-neon/bin/mysqld-akonadi
[17:08] <apachelogger> smartass
[17:09]  * apachelogger gives linaro on mx53 another shot
[17:11] <shadeslayer> if everything goes as planned, i'll be getting a faster internet connection in a couple of days \o/
[17:11] <ScottK> Up to 56K now?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[17:12] <ScottK> Oh?  Less?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> i still have a US Robotics modem lying around here somewhere ^_^
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nah, 1Mbps during the night, 600 Kbps during the day
[17:32] <bulldog98> expect kdepim within the next hour
[17:33] <mfraz74> is there a package to replace klamav in natty/oneiric?
[17:36] <Tonio_> hi there
[17:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum.... I can't say I'm satisfied with kdepim in it's current state, but it looks like I can manage to work with it
[17:37] <Tonio_> which means.... I think I'm back :)
[17:37] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: kdesudo needs merging from Debian unless debfx did it recently.  OdyX made a new upstream release while you were gone (mostly incorporating our distro patches).
[17:39] <Tonio_> hum I don't get it, merging from debian ? do they package it now ?
[17:40] <ScottK> Yes
[17:40] <ScottK> They use alternatives instead of dpkg-divert, but other than that the packaging is very similar.
[17:40] <apachelogger> we do not use dpkg-divert either!?
[17:41] <ScottK> Or maybe i have it backwards.
[17:41] <apachelogger> perhaps
[17:41] <apachelogger> divert broke all the time
[17:42] <Tonio_> I don't remember why but there was a good reason not to use alternatives on that one
[17:43] <Tonio_> ScottK: I see there's a new --desktop option for name and icon... is that for gnome support ?
[17:43]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[17:43] <apachelogger> if I remembered, that would be good
[17:44] <Tonio_> who would use kdesudo with gnome ? :)
[17:44] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I think we introduced that while you were still around, to get name and icon from a desktop file
[17:44] <apachelogger> in general
[17:44] <apachelogger> not just gnome
[17:44] <Tonio_> hum.... nope I wasn't arround for sure, that's the latest addition to it
[17:44] <Tonio_> afaicr name and icon was working before that.... anyway, as long as it works
[17:45] <Tonio_> ohhhhhhhhhhh that's to override !
[17:45] <Tonio_> fine then
[17:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: oh, perhaps we were looking for it manually within kdesudo, so that --desktop allows for arbitary files
[17:45] <apachelogger> supposedly there is a use case for that ^^
[17:45] <Tonio_> man page is outdated.... I'll have to fix this
[17:46] <mfraz74> Any idea what's happening with https://launchpad.net/clamav-kde?
[17:46] <apachelogger> !find qemu-arm-static
[17:46] <Tonio_> ScottK: also, I found a kresource for caldav support, which is pretty nice, except it won't work with the akonadi>kresource compatibility layer
[17:46] <apachelogger> mfraz74: ScottK will know 
[17:46] <Tonio_> those compatibility layers shouldn't exist anyway :)
[17:47] <mfraz74> ScottK: Any ideas?
[17:47] <Tonio_> I just hope kresource will be droped one day to get something a non kde developper can eventually configure :)
[17:47] <ScottK> mfraz74: Nothing.  It was started awhile ago by a former Kubuntu developer.
[17:47] <shadeslayer> should i also split stuff like kate-dev and ktexteditor-dev ?
[17:48] <ScottK> Tonio_: Maybe steveire knows who you should talk to about that?  perhaps it's known and being worked on.
[17:48] <mfraz74> oh, then there is no AV packages for Natty onwards?
[17:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: I really hope so
[17:50] <bambee> evening
[17:50]  * bambee is overbooked until the 23th june.... :'(
[17:50] <bambee> but then I am on vacation => so kde+kubuntu contributions during 2/3 months :D
[17:50] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'm at work right now, I'll check for kdesudo toonight
[17:50] <Tonio_> a little merge is fine to restart doing things
[17:51] <bambee> shadeslayer: the wetab is very expensive in france btw... I will wait a bit o_O
[17:51] <ScottK> Great.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> bambee: oh .. :(
[17:51] <shadeslayer> bambee: btw i might be coming to Paris :P
[17:52] <bambee> I need more money and then I will buy a wetab :p
[17:52] <shadeslayer> it seems its quite cheap for me to go from DEL to PAR and take a train from there to Berlin
[17:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: maybe you should introduce me to new active members :)
[17:52] <ScottK> mfraz74: I have a vague recollection that clamtk may also have some kind of a kde front end.  perhaps it just needs some packaging work.  In any case it ought to work fine from KDE.
[17:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: I don't know who they are, and they never about me so.... :)
[17:52] <ScottK> Tonio_: You remember apachelogger, right?
[17:52] <Tonio_> they never *heard*
[17:52] <mfraz74> ScottK: installing now
[17:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: kinda, indeed :)
[17:52] <Tonio_> haha
[17:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the busybox thread got smaller ...
[17:53] <ScottK> Perhaps he can introduce you around?  I am at the airport and it's getting close to boarding time.
[17:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: seriously, who are the people who came into contributing in the last 12/15 month ?
[17:53] <Tonio_> kk
[17:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ;)
[17:54] <ScottK> If not, I'll do some introductions this evening after I arrive.
[17:56] <Tonio_> no pb
[17:59] <yofel> Tonio_: I vagulely remember seeing you around from time to time a while ago, what were you doing originally? ^^
[18:00] <Tonio_> at the start of kubuntu, I didn appart from the coding, what jriddell did, aka packaging kde
[18:00] <Tonio_> then I started to do less as we were more people to work on kubuntu, and finally nothing
[18:00] <ScottK> Tonio_ goes WAAAAY back with Kubuntu.
[18:01]  * ScottK sees an airplane with his name on it.  Talk with you all later.
[18:01] <Tonio_> but seriously, I was more of less fucissing on kdepim/bluetooth/testing/qa/default-settings and many other things
[18:01] <yofel> well, GOOD to see another packager here now that we're without jr currently
[18:01] <Tonio_> I stopped almost a year and a half ago, because I couldn't work with kde
[18:01] <maco> hiya Tonio_!
[18:02] <yofel> heh, about the time I started hanging out here ^^
[18:02] <Tonio_> and I didn't have any motivation to work on a project I didn't believe in
[18:02] <Tonio_> now looking at the mess gnome3 is, and not liking unity... I think it's time to come back to kde, and contribute again
[18:02] <yofel> hehe
[18:02] <Tonio_> what I'll do ? I dunno I must say, it'll depend on the needs :)
[18:03] <maco> Tonio_: Riddell has left us for Bazaar for the next six months
[18:03] <yofel> Tonio_: I believe you'll find something if you look at the 4.6.80 todo list :P
[18:03] <Tonio_> so about the background... it changed a lot :)
[18:03] <maco> Tonio_: todo list is here http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html
[18:03] <yofel> Tonio_: as for me, I'm currently doing packaging work and take care of the announcements on kubuntu.org
[18:03] <maco> need to figure out how to resituate that diagonal line to match the full set of blueprints...
[18:04] <Tonio_> yofel: you may find out some inputs from me in all kde packages we have if you look at the very bottom actually :)
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: off the top of my head, we now have yofel, Quintasan, shadeslayer and debfx packaging. DarkwingDuck is the new docs guy, bambee is the python master, sheytan is doing artwork
[18:04] <Tonio_> quite frightening to come back after such a long time.... many things have changed
[18:04] <Tonio_> I'm probable a lot outdated from a technical perspective :)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> i've seen you in the changelogs quite a bit ^_^
[18:04] <Tonio_> yofel: nice to meet you yofel :)
[18:04] <bambee> JontheEchidna: I am not a python master but a python programmer, and I love c++ too :P
[18:04] <bambee> ;)
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: you might be shocked looking at a modern debian/rules file :P
[18:04] <maco> and as i wasnt doing anything helpful for kubuntu when i met Tonio_, should probably say what im doing now too :P  i'm being kubuntu's accessibility taskmaster
[18:04] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[18:05] <Tonio_> yofel: oh, and I'm a core-dev, which can help to upload/.review in main :)
[18:05] <yofel> well, we just merged a new package build system from debian (dhmk replacing cdbs), so you're coming at a good time ^^
[18:05] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I did quite a bit of debhelper 7 anyway :)
[18:05] <maco> JontheEchidna: i <3 new debian/rules!
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ^^ lol
[18:05] <Tonio_> maco: got it :)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> everyone loves dhmk
[18:06] <Tonio_> who else left the team ? what about jonathan jesse ? jonathan tomas ? luka renko ?
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> dhmk == what everybody calls "dh7", right?
[18:06] <yofel> well yeah, qt-kde teams idea of dh7
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> I'm Jonathan Thomas ;-)
[18:06] <maco> Tonio_: shtylman's gone
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> jjesse is still plugging along with docs
[18:06] <Tonio_> too bad ! I loved the guy
[18:06] <maco> JontheEchidna: well, when he's not got his head in the books
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> luka isn't contributing anymore, unfortunately :(
[18:06] <shadeslayer> i've never heard of luka renko :P
[18:06] <maco> Tonio_: nixternal's spending most of his time on a bicycle these days
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ^^ yeah, every morning i get a bike tweet 
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: he was our digikam guy
[18:07] <Tonio_> rodderick still arround ?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: yep
[18:07] <Tonio_> cool
[18:07] <shadeslayer> he's working on mobile stuff now
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> rod's been busy with work lately, but still comes around from time to time
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> oh, rbelem is also new. He's the kubuntu-mobile master
[18:08] <Tonio_> introduction to what is dhmk ?
[18:08] <Tonio_> something specific to us ? generic debian packaging ? never heard about
[18:08] <yofel> Tonio_: dh7 wrapping from the debian qt-kde team
[18:08] <yofel> see pkg-kde-tools >= 0.12
[18:09] <Tonio_> I may need to pratice a bit on packaging.... looks like cdbs went out for good :)
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001571.html
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> framework around dh7, it would seem
[18:10] <Tonio_> my god.... looks like I'm a noob )
[18:10]  * yofel doesn't quite get it either...
[18:10] <yofel> at least not the library part, esp. libdlrestrictions
[18:11] <Tonio_> can you type in "^^"
[18:12] <Tonio_> looks like I can't with qt apps...
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> libdlrestrictions helps prevent bad things from happening when a KDE .so plugin cannot be loaded due to missing symbols, is what I gather
[18:12] <Tonio_> bug ?
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[18:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: don't worry about the dhmk stuff, debian kde likes to switch the packaging magic around every 6 months now ^^
[18:12] <apachelogger> jussi, persia: ping ping ping ping
[18:13] <yofel> well, the KDE team likes to switch the release layout around ever 6 months too from now on for a while...
[18:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll have to learn, no big deal... I did it once, I can do it again
[18:13] <yofel> *every
[18:13] <Tonio_> it's more like, what is maintained over bzr what's not and so on
[18:13] <Tonio_> so.... I probably ask a LOT OF QUESTIONS in the next days/weeks
[18:14] <Tonio_> sorry in advance ;)
[18:14] <apachelogger> uh, sure, questions are good :D
[18:14] <yofel> well, most of KDE is in bzr, ah, the branches are lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdelibs/ubuntu now, etc.
[18:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: believe me, I'll end up beeing boring :)
[18:14] <apachelogger> that is ... *all* of core KDE (aka KDE software compilation) is in bzr
[18:14] <Tonio_> kk
[18:15] <apachelogger> jussi, persia, Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/vSMuw.jpg
[18:15] <apachelogger> !!!
[18:15] <apachelogger> look at username :D :D
[18:15]  * apachelogger rolls awesomeness
[18:15] <Tonio_> checked kde4libs rules file.... indeed, I'm a noob :)
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> you gonna get kubuntu on that now that your kernel works?
[18:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: you know, it would be really very terrificly cool if the kubuntu arm squad could get arm ppas :S
[18:16]  * yofel doesn't have a arrrrm board :/
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ^^ me neither ;)
[18:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 45%
[18:16] <apachelogger> also I need faster sd cards
[18:17] <apachelogger> those class 4 are killing me
[18:17] <apachelogger> everything takes forever
[18:17] <yofel> use eatmydata  :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> uh
[18:18] <apachelogger> !info eatmydata
[18:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: pingo
[18:18] <apachelogger> yofel: it is not just the writing
[18:18] <yofel> ah
[18:18] <apachelogger> in particular the reading is the problem
[18:19] <sheytan> apachelogger spongebob schwammkopf!
[18:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: the david mentioned that your design is missing language selection, session selection and the like
[18:19] <apachelogger> see his latest mail to kubuntu-devel
[18:20] <sheytan> show me
[18:20] <apachelogger> lists.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <apachelogger> just take a look at the k-d archives
[18:21] <Tonio_> hum one question.... who is member of the kcc now ?
[18:21] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it is KC these days ... that would be Riddell, ScottK, neversfelde, JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck and I
[18:22] <Tonio_> k I don't know about DarkwingDuck, but the other yep
[18:22] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck is new documentation overlord, ever since nixternal doesn't have time anymore because he is cycling through all of northern america
[18:23] <Tonio_> oki doki
[18:23] <Tonio_> hum, can anyone type in ^ in kde apps ? that's pretty annoying actually :)
[18:24] <yofel> anyone tried it kmail1 can still be used after trying kdepim 4.6? (With the same home folder I mean)
[18:24] <apachelogger> yes
[18:24] <yofel> s/it/if/
[18:24] <kubotu> yofel meant: "anyone tried if kmail1 can still be used after trying kdepim 4.6? (With the same home folder I mean)"
[18:24] <maco> Tonio_: not a problem here...
[18:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: supposedly you have some weird keyboard layout?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:24] <apachelogger> with dead keys or what they call it
[18:24] <Tonio_> ok that's a problem with console-setup actually
[18:24] <apachelogger> ^ acts as modifier on those layouts IIRC
[18:24] <apachelogger> so that poor fellas like me can make accents :D
[18:24] <yofel> right (at least for the german one)
[18:25] <maco> i can use it as a modifier if i altgr then hit it then a letter ( ê ) but i can use it alone if i avoid altgr too
[18:25]  * apachelogger waits for stuff to install
[18:25] <maco> also altgr with it then a space makes it show as normal too ^
[18:28] <sheytan> Did i mention I hate reading MLs?
[18:28] <apachelogger> it is like watching .prn if you think about it
[18:28] <apachelogger> people getting all dirty and then poking each other until one of them gives up on their argument
[18:30]  * DarkwingDuck grins
[18:30] <DarkwingDuck> MLs aren't that bad.
[18:31] <sheytan> apachelogger i don't see anything about the session button
[18:31] <sheytan> but, it's all ready todo ;)
[18:31] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: did you get the kubuntu website code from dropbox?
[18:32] <yofel> would actually be nice if it would show which session you're going to login to
[18:32] <yofel> if you switch sessions a lot you get confused easily
[18:32] <apachelogger> oh right
[18:32] <apachelogger> apparenlty he spammed me directly
[18:32] <yofel> gdm is actually rather nice in that aspect
[18:32] <sheytan> yofel good point
[18:33] <sheytan> ill try to include that in the nice way and i already know how :D
[18:33] <jussi> apachelogger: hehe
[18:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: Note that your mockup is missing: keyboard selection, language
[18:33] <apachelogger> selection, session selection and suspend/hibernate.
[18:33] <yofel> it happens to be quite often that I login to neon just because it was the last session I was in
[18:33] <sheytan> apachelogger there's sleep button
[18:33] <sheytan> language will be added with the session stuff
[18:33] <apachelogger> sleep!=hibernation
[18:33] <sheytan> apachelogger then we change the text :D
[18:33] <yofel> make it hibernate when you press shift as winxp did it :P
[18:34] <apachelogger> I mean, it is a non-brainer, just add another button to the list
[18:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: no no
[18:34] <apachelogger> they are 2 different concepts
[18:34] <apachelogger> there is suspend-to-ram
[18:34] <sheytan> and hdd right?
[18:34] <apachelogger> which is when your machine is sleeping and the power light is usually blinking
[18:34] <sheytan> what's the difference?
[18:34] <sheytan> ah
[18:34] <apachelogger> whereas suspedn-to-hdd everything is stored on the hdd and the machine is completely out
[18:35] <yofel> sheytan: suspend to disk flushes your RAM to swap and actually powers the pc off
[18:35] <apachelogger> essentially for the latter a complete copy of your RAM is made and stored on the disk
[18:35] <sheytan> apachelogger then we add new button "hibernate", right?
[18:35] <apachelogger> aye
[18:35] <sheytan> good
[18:35] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: I looked at it but, I'll be pulling to today.
[18:35] <sheytan> let me get some coockies and maybe coffee or beer and start working on it.
[18:35] <yofel> make sure the button is hidden if you can't hibernate (upower tells you that)
[18:36] <sheytan> yofel it's like the technical side of fun. Not artwork ;)
[18:36] <sheytan> brb
[18:36] <yofel> true
[18:36] <yofel> but the page shouldn't look bad if the button is missing
[18:37] <apachelogger> yofel: the buttons are stored in a row
[18:37] <apachelogger> you can add/remove stuff without much effort
[18:37] <yofel> sure, and as long as they're properly centered I'm happy :)
[18:38] <apachelogger> that is what the row is for
[18:38] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:38] <apachelogger> it is really just if (DM.canHibernate()) 
[18:38] <apachelogger> around the hibernate button
[18:38] <apachelogger> and equally for every other action
[18:38] <apachelogger> minding that one can disallow shutdown from DM
[18:38] <apachelogger> e.g. in a thin-client use case one might want to do that
[18:39] <apachelogger> jussi: I can give you instructions on linaro sd, seem more straight forward
[18:40] <jussi> apachelogger: dont stress, mine works now :)
[18:40] <apachelogger> kk
[18:40] <apachelogger> well
[18:40] <Quintasan> jussi: gcking freescale
[18:40] <apachelogger> I should document it anyway I suppose
[18:40] <apachelogger> to the wikis
[18:40] <jussi> lol
[18:40] <jussi> apachelogger: yes please
[18:40] <Quintasan> WHY THE HELL IT IS SO HARD FOR THEM TO GIVE ME A DAMN PAYMENT CONFIRMATION
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> not enough capslock
[18:41] <Quintasan> I capslocked them like three times
[18:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I told you, there should be one in the package
[18:41] <shadeslayer> jussi: did i forward you the latest reply from blink people?
[18:41] <Quintasan> No, jokes aside
[18:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: PROTIP: They can't open it lol?
[18:41] <Quintasan> "Policy" they call it
[18:41] <apachelogger> well
[18:41] <apachelogger> you go there
[18:41] <apachelogger> open it
[18:42] <Quintasan> If they could I wouldn't be whining and calling Freescale
[18:43]  * Quintasan is going to call them tomorrow once again
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ah yes, you're CC'd in there
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel:  This package is part of the KDE 4 base applications module. << best description
[18:46] <yofel> asking again: did anyone check if kdepim1 still works with the same home folder that 4.6 was used with once?
[18:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: that sounds nice
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yep, for everything that is grouped under Base/
[18:46] <apachelogger> yofel: why does it matter?
[18:47] <apachelogger> downgrades are not supported eitherway
[18:47] <yofel> apachelogger: just wondering how to word the notice that we don't support downgrades
[18:47] <yofel> guess I'll keep it short
[18:47]  * apachelogger really wants the wiki to die
[18:47]  * yofel agrees
[18:47]  * shadeslayer hands apachelogger the stick of doom
[18:48] <apachelogger> yofel: DO NO UPGRADEOR YOU ARE DOOMED
[18:48] <apachelogger> yofel: do we have packages yet?
[18:48] <yofel> apachelogger: runtime yes, bulldog98 said he's almost done with pim
[18:48] <apachelogger> we need more tests
[18:48] <yofel> bulldog98: ETA?
[18:48] <apachelogger> everyone should break their setup
[18:48] <apachelogger> if that does not highlight grave issues we can advertise the packages
[18:48] <yofel> well, I have no kmail1 data, so can't test much
[18:48] <apachelogger> otherwise I'd really not do it
[18:49] <apachelogger> 4.0.0 might hit again
[18:49] <shadeslayer> kate ~done
[18:49] <shadeslayer> hahah ^^
[18:49] <yofel> the debian folks compared it to 4.1
[18:49] <apachelogger> also was bad enough
[18:49] <shadeslayer> iirc i used to break my system every 2 days on KDE 4.0.0
[18:49] <yofel> seems like they had some issues
[18:49] <apachelogger> anyhow, all I am saying is ... we should not advertise it until we know that it works sensibly
[18:49] <apachelogger> pim data is too precious to get lost in the battle
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:50] <apachelogger> that said, steveire, is there a tool to perhaps backup stuff before migrating to the new pim?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> i would *still* put them in experimental
[18:50] <yofel> ok, I'll make the warning bigger
[18:50] <shadeslayer> have wider testing for 3-4 weeks and then migrate
[18:50] <yofel> apachelogger: according to the announcement on kde website the akonadi conversion leaves the old data intact
[18:51] <yofel> that's what I hoped someone could confirm
[18:51] <yofel> For most users, the upgrade should be seamless, as Kontact 2 automatically imports accounts and underlying data into Akonadi, leaving the old configuration and data in place in case a rollback is ever needed.
[18:51] <apachelogger> if it works(tm)
[18:51] <yofel> right
[18:52]  * Quintasan goes back to books
[18:52] <Quintasan> last chance to get an B from biology
[18:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: didn't your exams get over?
[18:52]  * yofel remembers he wanted to work on smoke...
[18:52] <yofel> too much distraction -.-
[18:53] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:53] <bulldog98> yofel: I push kdepim packaging right now
[18:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm not having biology next year so I thought I'd better get a B
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:53] <Quintasan> so it goes on my graduations diploma :P
[18:53] <Quintasan> makes me look a little bit smarter :P
[18:53] <shadeslayer> funnily enough, if i fail any exam and give it again, there is no proof that i ever failed that exam
[18:54] <shadeslayer> i get a new marksheet and everything
[18:54] <Quintasan> lol
[18:54] <Quintasan> magical unis you got there
[18:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: magical uni's that fail 120 students in a leaked paper
[18:54] <apachelogger> hm, you know, you'd think that people would aspire to look more like apachelogger, but instead they want to look more like smarter even though he is not a fancy lord president
[18:54] <apachelogger> what gives
[18:54] <Quintasan> >aspire to look more like apachelogger
[18:54] <Quintasan> Stopped reading right there.
[18:54] <Quintasan> Am I mad enough?
[18:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sup, from 300 students in a Uni near here
[18:55] <Quintasan> 150 failed because of calculus?
[18:55] <Quintasan> no idea how is that called
[18:55] <shadeslayer> cal-cu-lus
[18:55] <Quintasan> function deriviates etc.
[18:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:55] <apachelogger> calculus is win
[18:56] <shadeslayer> indeed
[18:56] <apachelogger> I will derive
[18:56] <shadeslayer> and integrate
[18:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: google youtubez I will derive
[18:56] <kubotu> Results for youtubez I will derive: 1. “I will derive” hilarious YouTube video » Fun Math Blog: http://wildaboutmath.com/2008/08/21/i-will-derive-hilarious-youtube-video/ | 2. a class calculus song - I will derive! - US Message Board ...: http://www.usmessageboard.com/education/124724-a-class-calculus-song-i-will-derive.html | 3. Lemmingworks » YouTube – I Will Derive!: http://www.lemmingworks.org/weblog/?p=1188
[18:56] <shadeslayer> there's a song about that ? lol
[18:56] <Quintasan> (x^4)' = 4x^3
[18:56]  * Quintasan can do deriviates too
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:57] <shadeslayer> you haven't done calculus till you've studied Electro magnetic theory ;)
[18:57] <Quintasan> but I can't do "integrate" thing yet
[18:57] <Quintasan> okay bbl
[18:57] <Quintasan> biology calls
[18:57] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:00] <shadeslayer> ok i think kate is done
[19:00] <bulldog98> https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim/4.6.0
[19:00] <shadeslayer> oh wait, have to add breaks/replaces
[19:01] <bulldog98> Could someone have a look at my packaging? I’ll correct things in an hour (I hope)
[19:02] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i can take a quick look
[19:07] <apachelogger> jussi, persia, Quintasan: what the cat dragged in: http://i.imgur.com/eaViO.jpg
[19:07]  * DarkwingDuck needs to get an ARM board
[19:15]  * bulldog98 ’ll drive home (1h)
[19:15] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2426/login21.png
[19:15] <sheytan> yofel ^
[19:16] <sheytan> the seesion is a button with text only. After click a list with available session appears, you choose one, done
[19:17] <yofel> not too bad, though I can't say I like that raster overlay 
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: I like it... You have that uploaded somewhere?
[19:18] <sheytan> yofel which one?
[19:18] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: it's still a mockup :)
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: I'd like a copy when it's done. :D
[19:19] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: it propably will be ready for oneric ;) But i hope it will be default too :)
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: Yeah, I was hoping for that.
[19:19] <sheytan> me too ;d
[19:19] <yofel> sheytan: the background behind the users obove
[19:20] <sheytan> yofel you mean the dots?
[19:20] <bambee> sheytan: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2426/login21.png <--- lovely :D
[19:20] <yofel> right
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: I was thinking about putting together an Oneiric background.
[19:21] <sheytan> yofel well, me too, but you know it's all just possible to change :)
[19:21] <sheytan> bambee thank you :)
[19:21] <bambee> it's a theme for kdm or lightdm ?
[19:21] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: maybe someday :)
[19:21] <sheytan> bambee a mockup for lightdm
[19:21] <bambee> OMG :D
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: You do graphics work right?
[19:22] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: yes, it's me who designed the kubuntu website you propably will be working on :)
[19:22] <sheytan> i did all myself
[19:22] <sheytan> bambee yeah, i will pray to make it default for oneric ;d
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: Epic. Did I show you these? http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/
[19:22] <bambee> sheytan: it would be cool :)
[19:24] <yofel> sheytan: the rest of the mockup is totally great though ;)
[19:25] <sheytan> yofel thank you, now someone needs to take care of the tech side of it
[19:25] <sheytan> DarkwingDuck: yep, you did and i told you it's nice ;)
[19:26] <yofel> btw, anyone experience in writing copyright files? I'm not really sure how to start. I found http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html which I'm trying to follow layout wise and licensecheck told me roughly what licenses are in the files, but now I'm a bit lost...
[19:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I should prolly go fix my blueprints.
[19:33] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: Speaking of hte website. Have you been maintaining it?
[19:33] <apachelogger> jussi, persia, Quintasan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/iMX53QuickStartBoard
[19:34] <yofel> apachelogger: where did you get the board from?
[19:34] <apachelogger> freescale
[19:36] <bambee> yofel: look at libmygpo-qt, I wrote debian/copyright from scratch and it looks good.
[19:36] <yofel> bambee: thanks, looking
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> I've been eyeing a panda poard.
[19:37] <bambee> you should get a "Files:*" section which contains the upstream license and the upstream authors
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> *board
[19:37] <bambee> and a "Files: debian/*" section which contains the license of your rules and your name
[19:37] <bambee> yofel: use dh_make, It will create a debian/copyright template for you :)
[19:38] <yofel> I'll need to seperate the files a bit, smokegen is a mix of GPL, LGPL, a BSD file and others
[19:39] <yofel> ah, I totally forgot dep-5 existed
[19:39] <bambee> in this case I think you should use several sections
[19:40] <bambee> "Files:foo.c" => gpl, "Files:bar.c" => bsd ,  but I am not sure... :\
[19:44] <bambee> this is not the better example, but look at /usr/share/doc/kdelibs5/copyright for example
[19:46] <jussi> apachelogger: nice work
[19:47] <bambee> yofel: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ :)
[19:49] <apachelogger> jussi: now also with the picture :D
[19:49] <jussi> apachelogger: ooooohhhh!!!!
[19:50] <jussi> apachelogger: was that a simple apt get install plasma mobile? and how well does it run? 
[19:50] <apachelogger> runs like crap
[19:50] <apachelogger> then again plasma-mobile in natty is crap
[19:50] <jussi> heh
[19:51] <apachelogger> jussi: apt-get install plasma-mobile kubuntu-mobile-default-settings kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-mobile
[19:51] <jussi> and we are expecting better in one-i-ric? 
[19:51] <apachelogger> one-eye-rick should have a better one, yes
[20:11] <apachelogger> well
[20:11] <apachelogger> there is a vast amount of kaputness in plasma-mobile these days
[20:11] <apachelogger> probably because of incompatibility with old kdelibs
[20:12] <yofel> dunno, it's uninstallable in neon too because it duplicates files from kde-workspace
[20:14] <apachelogger> also the green is just horrible
[20:15] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/y1OTA.jpg
[20:16] <shadeslayer> thats
[20:16] <shadeslayer> suse
[20:16] <shadeslayer> right?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats with the graphics at the top?
[20:17] <apachelogger> no
[20:17] <apachelogger> that is upstream plasma mobile
[20:18] <apachelogger> with stylish green because apparently opensuse is taking over the plasma
[20:18] <shadeslayer> pffffftttt
[20:18] <apachelogger> at least that explains why plasma mobile is so broken right now :P
[20:18] <shadeslayer> we need more aaarrmm boards
[20:18] <shadeslayer> so that we can make it blue again
[20:18]  * apachelogger doesnt get that
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Green surely does not suit plasma
[20:19] <Quintasan> SUSE taking plasma?
[20:19] <yofel> hm, looking at the freescale website I don't get where I should look to get a board
[20:19] <Quintasan> no thanks
[20:19] <Quintasan> I'll pass
[20:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: get a pandaboard instead
[20:20]  * yofel looks
[20:20] <shadeslayer> but most of them are out of stock
[20:20] <shadeslayer> so you might have to wait
[20:20] <Quintasan> Y U NO PAYMENT CONFIRMATION FREESCALE?
[20:20]  * Quintasan goes back to books
[20:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why get a panda instead?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> because Quintasan is having so many issues with freescale
[20:26] <shadeslayer> also helps to have loads of different devices
[20:26] <shadeslayer> that way you can target more devices instead of having just one particular device
[20:26] <shadeslayer> ( haven't looked at what the quick start board has to offer yet, so can't do a hardware comparission just yet )
[20:27] <shadeslayer> *comparison even
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: half o kubuntu and plasma is getting equipped with pandas
[20:28] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[20:28] <apachelogger> what you are suggesting is working against hardware diversity
[20:28] <shadeslayer> when did that happen
[20:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did not know that
[20:28] <apachelogger> not that I believethat hardware diversity made much sense seeing as there is no common kernel
[20:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wip in progress
[20:28] <shadeslayer> work in progress in progress ... <3 that
[20:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: this is cool hackery ^^ http://hackaday.com/2011/06/12/how-canonical-automates-linux-package-compilation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29
[20:29] <shadeslayer> *click*
[20:29] <shadeslayer> is that about our auto builds?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> HOLY FSCK
[20:30] <shadeslayer> "The server is composed of 21 PandaBoards, small OMAP development boards featuring a dual-core ARM cortex processor with just about all the connectivity options you could possibly ask for."
[20:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: i just had a nerdgasm
[20:30] <yofel> lol
[20:38] <yofel> hm, the imx53 board seems cheaper though
[20:40] <yofel> the A8 is single core though IIRC
[20:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: can haz look at kate control file?
[20:42] <yofel> and the pandaboard really seems to be totally sold out :/
[20:42] <yofel> shadeslayer: sure
[20:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: there's like a 2 month wait on the panda
[20:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/626097/
[20:43] <yofel> one page said 12 weeks even
[20:43] <shadeslayer> oh btw don't mind the maintainer etc fields right now, i'll fix them
[20:45] <yofel> uh...
[20:45] <yofel> what's the point of kate Breaking itself?
[20:45] <yofel> and why would it break the kdesdk meta package
[20:46] <yofel> and I think it should be Priority: optional
[20:46] <yofel> at least current kate is
[20:46]  * shadeslayer fixes
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ok btw : libktexteditor4 is also provided by kdelibs
[20:48] <shadeslayer> and also kate
[20:48] <shadeslayer> and theres a doc that says that the one provided by kate is sync'd with kdelibs for 4.x.y
[20:49] <shadeslayer> which is why i haven't made the package in kate
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> ^that's the correct course of action for the long term
[20:54] <yofel> yeah, only libkatepartinterfaces4 was moved, libktexteditor is in kdelibs
[20:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: actually libktexteditor is in kate as well
[20:56] <shadeslayer> but, its a copy of the one in kdelibs
[21:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: doesn't seem to get installed though, or we would have conflicts in neon
[21:06] <shadeslayer> uh .. weird then, i got them in the list missing hook
[21:07] <yofel> we have something called
[21:07] <yofel> /opt/project-neon/lib/libktexteditor_codesnippets_core.so.0.0.1
[21:09] <shadeslayer> yeah thats in kate
[21:09] <shadeslayer> !find libktexteditor_codesnippets_core.so
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ^^
[21:11] <shadeslayer> i'm talking about usr/lib/libktexteditor.so.4 and friends
[21:21] <LaserJock> is there any PPA with 4.7 betas?
[21:22] <shadeslayer> LaserJock: the ninjas ppa if you access to it
[21:22] <shadeslayer> its WIP tho
[21:22] <LaserJock> sure, just wondered
[21:57] <jussi> Hrm, re: the ML thread, I think its a mistake putting the KDE logo on the greeter, and then below it "Welcome to Kubuntu". seems a bit of an oxymoron. We should then write "welcome to kde" perhaps? I know we want to be in keeping as much as possible with kde, but this seems a bit wrong? 
[21:58] <shadeslayer> jussi: iirc apachelogger's implementation has KDE
[21:58] <jussi> that said... the mockup from sheytan_ is _gorgeous_!!!
[21:58] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:58] <jussi> http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2426/login21.png
[21:58] <apachelogger> it is a prototype
[21:59] <apachelogger> a design study if you will
[21:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzIBZQkj6SY
[21:59] <jussi> apachelogger: but acan you see my point? 
[21:59] <apachelogger> it would be very good if people stopped arguing about implementation details
[21:59] <apachelogger> jussi: yes, but that is the status quo
[21:59] <apachelogger> also you are on a kubuntu setup but using KDE software
[22:01]  * jussi still disagrees. you have to have one or the other. would you put kde logo on thetop of a kubuntu web page, because we use kde? why not the linux logo as well, we use that too....
[22:02] <jussi> anyway, bedtime
[22:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:06] <_Groo_> i just backported calligra to nauty based on the great work from Adrien Grellier
[22:06] <yofel> apachelogger: ^
[22:07] <shadeslayer> jussi: actually, we do have those logo's on kubuntu.org :)
[22:09] <_Groo_> any interest in testing those?
[22:09] <_Groo_> im gonna upload it to my ppa ASAP
[22:20] <_Groo_> btw im waiting for kdepim 4.6 to complete build in staging to give it a spin :D
[22:24] <shadeslayer> if you would have been using Kubuntu, you wouldn't have to wait :>
[22:25] <shadeslayer> darn
[22:25] <shadeslayer> i meant
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Project neon ;P
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> I'd like to point out that the current KDM theme does not have an icon of any sort, plus we are not even using KDM, therefore putting a Kubuntu icon should be perfectly justifiable, and not doing so would lead to brand confusion. But it's also something that doesn't need to be worried about right now.
[22:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i know shade
[22:38] <_Groo_> but i like to build calligra and i would build kdepim if i add the time
[22:39] <_Groo_> even today i recommended neon to a qt develoepr friend of mine :)
[22:39] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: we haz builds for calligra
[22:39] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: we are using lightdm already in alpha1?
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> what? no. it's not past the mockup stages yet
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> I supose I should have said we wouldn't be using KDM if we used lightdm
[23:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Link for Calligra/Neon howto please.
[23:12] <shadeslayer> one sec
[23:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://krita.org/component/content/article/10-news/85-krita-artist-session-recording-part-i-animtims-turn
[23:26] <ScottK> thanks