[00:00] <robinabo> yay, so far so good for switching to lubuntu
[06:08] <frank_> Will there be any errors if I install LXDE on my Ubuntu Natty installation? My CPU was running too hot because of Unity and I want to try LXDE to see if that will make it run cooler. Any word on this?
[06:11] <maraz> well, if you're certain it was indeed Unity that was eating up your CPU, then yes, LXDE might be a solution. however, attempting to fix a hardware problem (insufficient CPU cooling) with a software change is kind of the Apple way of doing things.
[06:13] <frank_> as soon as I switched to classic GNOME my fan stopped spinning loudly
[06:13] <frank_> and the temp is now okay and I heard LXDE is much better
[06:15] <frank_> what about all those RAM eating deamons.... will they disappear if I switch to LXDE?
[06:17] <maraz> probably not
[06:17] <head_victim> Depends on what you're running, if you're still running all the same programs it might not change a lot other than the DE overhead
[06:18] <maraz> you should take a good look at your processes while running Unity and see if there are any single ones that use too much cpu
[06:19] <frank_> I wanted to install Lubuntu but it currently doesnt have an alternative install CD
[06:21] <maraz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[06:22] <frank_> now it does! ?
[06:22] <maraz> heh, maybe you just didn't look hard enough ;)
[06:23] <frank_> wait... can I do full disk encryption with it? That's the whole point
[06:32] <bioterror> how can CPU run too hot becouse of unity as it uses GPU ;)
[06:33] <maraz> frank_: did you actually check that it was the Unity binary using too much CPU and not something else?
[06:41] <bioterror> ubuntu does not support full system encryption
[06:41] <bioterror> only home folder encryption
[06:41] <bioterror> as far as I iknow
[06:43] <jmarsden> bioterror: Per filesystem  crypto has been around for a very long time in Ubuntu.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystems
[06:43] <jmarsden> The per home directory stuff is *newer* :)
[06:44] <bioterror> and smarter
[06:45] <jmarsden> bioterror: Not smarter if you are concerned about people reading data out of your swap partition, etc... :)  Each user makes their own decision on what level of security vs ease of use tradeoffs they want to make.
[06:45] <bioterror> dont make swap then!
[06:45] <jmarsden> Assuming that your own priorities and security needs are the same as every other Ubuntu user is probably a bad idea.
[06:47] <jmarsden> bioterror: If you are unaware of why someone might want full disk encryption, you should *definitely* not be telling people that Ubuntu can't do it...
[06:51] <bioterror> it's not by default
[06:51] <bioterror> the default way is home drive encryption
[06:51] <bioterror> and that's okay, as people seems to have difficulties even to chroot into system without encryption
[06:51] <bioterror> right?
[06:52] <jmarsden> Full disk encryption is not for the average end user.  But it does exist, and for some people it is important.  SO telling them it doesn't exist is a bad idea :)
[06:52] <bioterror> where did I say it does not exist?
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[06:52] <bioterror> I just said it does not support as in it's not there by default
[06:53] <bioterror> home folder encryption yes
[06:53] <jmarsden> Huh?  Home dir crypto is not enabled by default either.
[06:53] <bioterror> you have that option when you install?
[06:53] <jmarsden> That is not "by default", you have to take a specific step if you want it.
[06:53] <bioterror> http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/temp-2010-07-05/vqJzzcFCDEokakgaHzohHACtAxazInAJsDHstzicmdGdJfGpsqpfifhbDoqE/Ubuntu_HomeFolderEncryption_Linux-Mag.com.jpg.scaled1000.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1307944727&Signature=dO4uNnbd4ETsYK%2FvP4LUuBPGaQc%3D
[06:54] <bioterror> http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/20ubuntu/passwordprotect108_sm.png better picture
[06:54] <jmarsden> You are telling me the checkbox is checked *by* *default* ???
[06:54] <jmarsden> I have never seen that.
[06:54] <bioterror> did I say that?
[06:55] <bioterror> are you now inserting words into my mouth?
[06:55] <jmarsden> You said "as it it's not there by default" followed by "home folder encryption yes".  I.E., you said home folder encryption is there by default.  It is not, you have to specifically enable it.
[06:56] <bioterror> you're such a waste of energy
[06:56] <jmarsden> I'm simply pointing out what you said.
[06:58] <frank_> Of course Whole Disk Encryption exists for Ubuntu through LUKS
[06:58] <frank_> I am using that right now
[06:58] <frank_> I used the alternative CD to achieve it
[06:58] <jmarsden> Exactly my point.
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[06:59] <frank_> that statement is wrong
[06:59] <jmarsden> Appears to be somewhat incorrect, in the light of that.  Anyway... now we are clear what Ubuntu can do, let's move on.
[06:59] <frank_> obviously
[07:01] <frank_> my question is can I achieve Whole Disk Encryption on Lubuntu with the alternative install CD?
[07:02] <frank_> This one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[07:03] <jmarsden> There is no Lubuntu Alternative CD, so yes, the Ubuntu one will do it, and as long as you install all the appropriate packages and then install lubuntu-desktop to get Lubuntu, it should do the right thing.
[07:03] <frank_> What about this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[07:03] <frank_> is that not an alternative CD?
[07:03] <jmarsden> Yes, but it is not an Lubuntu alternative CD :)
[07:03] <jmarsden> It is the normal Ubuntu one.
[07:04] <frank_> are you sure?
[07:04] <jmarsden> Or the normal Ubuntu minimal install one.
[07:04] <jmarsden> Yes.  I wrote the script that generates the Lubuntu ISOs.  It does not generate an alternate installer.
[07:05] <jmarsden> Well, there may be an older alternate Lubuntu CD... there is none for 11.04.
[07:05] <frank_> I see
[07:06] <frank_> so now that I got GNOME and full disk encryption can I install LXDE without getting errors?
[07:06] <jmarsden> The mini iso documented on that page is the standard Ubuntu one. m https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall links to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[07:07] <jmarsden> I don't see why not, the DE should not care about the underlying LUKS stuff as far as I know.  But I have not tried it :)
[07:07] <frank_> not LUKS errors.. but LXDE errors
[07:07] <frank_> and more bloat
[07:08] <jmarsden> What would make LXDE even know that LUKS exists?
[07:08] <jmarsden> If you were starting from scratch I'd suggest using the mini.iso and then installing lubuntu-desktop, to avoid having all the GNOEM stuff around that you don't need.
[07:09] <frank_> Can I follow this guide safely? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[07:09] <jmarsden> If linux can boot from a LUKS encrypted boot and root partition, then LXDE can run on top of that; at least, as far as I know.
[07:10] <frank_> Yeah, I understand that.
[07:10] <jmarsden> No idea on those removal commands, I'd have to look through them in detail to see what they remove.
[07:10] <jmarsden> as long as they don't kill anything LUKS/crypto related, you should be fine to use them.
[07:11] <frank_> I think they just remove GNOME stuff not kernel stuff
[07:11] <jmarsden> Looks like it, but very hard to read in a one line horizontally scrolling box :)
[07:13] <jmarsden> Oddly, those commands remove things like gcc and gcc-4.5 ... which I do not remember being installed by default in Ubuntu...
[07:13] <frank_> let me check
[07:13] <jmarsden> And which are clearly not GNOME-specific.
[07:13] <frank_> I have a fresh install
[07:15] <frank_> yes, they are installed
[07:15] <jmarsden> Hmmm, interesting, I wonder what led to that.  OK.
[07:16] <frank_> default ubuntu stuff i guess
[07:17] <frank_> so can I do it safely?
[07:18] <jmarsden> Looks like it to me; but you should have backups anyway... right?
[07:18] <frank_> yes
[07:18] <jmarsden> Then I'd say go for it.
[07:18] <frank_> alright... here it goes
[10:47] <leszek> hi
[11:09] <elros> hi
[17:02] <rashthedude> how can I start the GUI desktop?
[17:03] <rashthedude> tried, startx....not working
[17:03] <elros> startlxde?
[17:03] <rashthedude> ah, ok
[17:03] <elros> startlubuntu
[17:03] <bioterror> startlubuntu is correct
[17:03] <bioterror> as it performs some MAGIC ;)
[17:04] <phillw-virtual> drat, beeten to it :P
[17:04] <elros> \o/
[17:04] <rashthedude> so 'startlubuntu' is the correct command?
[17:04] <phillw-virtual> rashthedude: +1
[17:05] <rashthedude> phillw-virtual didnt quite get that
[17:06] <phillw> startlubuntu is the correct one (+1 means some agrees)
[17:06] <phillw> *someone*
[17:06] <rashthedude> lol, ok
[18:18] <rashthedude> so lubuntu has everything ubuntu comes with apart from the window manager?
[18:19] <bioterror> and different default applications
[18:19] <bioterror> the base is same, candy on the top is different
[18:19] <rashthedude> different default applications?
[18:19] <rashthedude> what is missing in particular?
[18:20] <bioterror> no openoffice/libreoffice
[18:20] <bioterror> no rhythmbox, and so on
[18:20] <rashthedude> ah ok
[18:20] <rashthedude> ubuntu one?
[18:21] <pcman> jmarsden: hi
[18:21] <pcman> gilir: hi
[18:22] <gilir> hi pcman
[18:43] <Ahmuck> 10.04 LTS for lubuntu is supported?
[19:03] <elros> lubuntu 10.04 is techinically not an LTS, but the devs have a PPA that includes important updates
[19:11] <elros> Ahmuck: you can expect that there are security updates to common desktop applications (firefox, thunderbird & other apps that come with ubuntu) for 36 months, kernel updates for 60 months
[19:12] <elros> the PPA includes updates to lxde / lubuntu applications, most notably pcmanfm, support is unofficial
[19:34] <bioterror> it's treated as LTS becouse of support for i586 platforms
[20:04] <bioterror> hmmmm
[20:05] <bioterror> titia@konna:~$ ls -la /usr/bin/gksudo
[20:05] <bioterror> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-11-06 13:21 /usr/bin/gksudo -> gksu
[20:05] <bioterror> :D
[20:05]  * bioterror TIL gksudo == gksu
[20:11] <elros> I just figured out a hundred nerd jokes regarding symlinks :)
[20:41] <uris> I just installed lubuntu on an HP nx7400 laptop. But the menu when I login only shows 'Run' and 'Logout'
[20:41] <uris> how can I fix this?